Re: Norton is NOT EVIL !!! (Edited)

[Guest guest]

It doesn't make you evil, but as you don't know the man to call him

" in denial, rather masterbate than

seek TRT, selfish, so called " husband " . "

is rather harsh. The man's wife may have the right to refer to him in that

manner, but not anyone else. The man (and his wife) needs help, not criticism.

Steph (Glasgow UK)

From: kahrcw9 <no_reply >

Subject: Norton is NOT EVIL !!!

Date: Monday, 22 December, 2008, 5:55 PM

I have been a member of this forum for years. Anyone can do a

search and read any or all of my posts, including an indepth

description of my own lifelong battle with my Primary hypogonadism.

I have been on testosterone supplementation since 1971, injections,

skin spreadons,

patches, and even tried pellets. The poster who said I was " EVIL "

even questioned the realness and/or degree of my hypogonamism, as if

to call into question my credentials for having the veracity to reply

to Sally's plea for comments regarding her sexual relationship with

her very low testosterone husband...............

[Guest guest]

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> It doesn't make you evil, but as you don't know the man to call him

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> " in denial, rather masterbate than

> seek TRT, selfish, so called " husband " . "

> is rather harsh. The man's wife may have the right to refer to him

in that manner, but not anyone else. The man (and his wife) needs

help, not criticism.

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Hi Steph, well it was not I said he was " in denial " , it was his

wife, Sally, who said that. It also not me, but Sally, who said that

he masterbates to porn. It was also not me, but Sally, who said that

he is very reluctant, in fact will not, go on testosterone therapy.

Now, what you are right on Steph, is that it was indeed I who said

that this behavior of his was " selfish " , and yes Steph, I did put the

noun " husband " in quotes because he sure does not seem to be making

an effort to be much of a husband, based on what SALLY has said of him

I respectfully suggest that you go back and reread Sally's multiple

posts regarding her husband's attitude towards being willing to both

consumate their marriage, and his attitude towards his willingness to

seek medical help to save the marriage that Sally is clearly not very

happy at all with. Then Steph, come back and criticize me properly

based on the facts of what she said, and what I said.

Norton

[Guest guest]

I also have from primary hypogandism. I was recently diagnosed in '05. What I

have been through in life makes sense of it. I recently had a bad breakup with

someone. I feel, I cannot find someone again nor satisfy her because I wasn't

able to go through puberty  normally  and have an average penis and testes. I am

better emotionally but it still bothers me to the point of self hatred. I want

to start PE, but I hate myself down there from childhood, its difficult to do it

regularly. Think positive is what I say, but its hard, especially when your ex

has moved on. If you want to share in your experiences whether private or not

please do so.

uu1845@... Thank you and happy holidays.

From: kahrcw9 <no_reply >

Subject: Re: Norton is NOT EVIL !!! (Edited)

Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 9:54 PM

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in that manner, but not anyone else. The man (and his wife) needs

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Hi Steph, well it was not I said he was " in denial " , it was his

wife, Sally, who said that. It also not me, but Sally, who said that

he masterbates to porn. It was also not me, but Sally, who said that

he is very reluctant, in fact will not, go on testosterone therapy.

Now, what you are right on Steph, is that it was indeed I who said

that this behavior of his was " selfish " , and yes Steph, I did put the

noun " husband " in quotes because he sure does not seem to be making

an effort to be much of a husband, based on what SALLY has said of him

I respectfully suggest that you go back and reread Sally's multiple

posts regarding her husband's attitude towards being willing to both

consumate their marriage, and his attitude towards his willingness to

seek medical help to save the marriage that Sally is clearly not very

happy at all with. Then Steph, come back and criticize me properly

based on the facts of what she said, and what I said.

Norton

[Guest guest]

uu1845

What are you saying an average penis and testes is? because if you

are 5 or so inches this is on the small side of normal but still

normal - therefore why would this stop you from being in a

relationship???

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him

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to

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[Guest guest]

Its psychological. If you since childhood thought a part of who you are is

horrible, you will think badly of your self and miss opportunities. I don't know

the connection with psychological disorders and hypogandism yet, but I lived a

life where I was afraid to talk to girls and older women. It didn't help my T

was so low during puberty and as an adult, I didn't have the sexual attention I

should have. Hey, I am not here sharing for pity. I have come a long way since I

realized, I need help. I had no idea the surgery I had at 10 to bring down a

testes caused this, but I am doing my part in changing my life for the better at

31. But I do worry not having an average penis what will the next woman think. I

have to explain like I did before about this and I hope she can understand

whomever she may be.

I had a chance to be a father, despite being told I couldn't, and unfortunately

it didn't happen and the mom wasn't stable herself. So, I don't have the history

of having GFs, memories I can fall upon. I am learning to cope in what was taken

away from me due to being primary.

From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@...>

Subject: Re: Norton is NOT EVIL !!! (Edited)

Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:57 PM

uu1845

What are you saying an average penis and testes is? because if you

are 5 or so inches this is on the small side of normal but still

normal - therefore why would this stop you from being in a

relationship? ??

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> wife, Sally, who said that. It also not me, but Sally, who said

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said

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> an effort to be much of a husband, based on what SALLY has said of

him

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multiple

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> consumate their marriage, and his attitude towards his willingness

to

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very

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uu1845 its difficult to know whether our are worrying about nothing

without mention about where you 'fall in the scale' to put it one

way - if you are about 5 inches then yeah you have a smallish penis

but most girls are not going to knock you back on that providing you

can do the business and you have more to offer than sex - if they do

then they are probably a certain type of chick that you take what you

can get from it and move on to the next one - life's too short to

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Chris. I know this but like I said, I am learning to better control

abnormal thinking since childhood. Its difficult for some men to understand and

relate to. And of course women as well. After experience a relationship with

someone, I understand other aspects of a relationship is more important.

Unfortunately she wasn't the right one to try harder with despite showing her

those aspects. She did make a comment about " and more " when description him and

said " it's what women say " , yet she never said it to me. That of course would

bother any guy. Like I said, no not sharing for pity but I know there are men

out there with hypogandism that understands and can relate. I have chatted with

similar men like this without the hypogandism on other sites. Thanks and

I will be OK. I cannot wait until I go back to college to get my mind off crap

and start using their gym to get better into shape and try to be more proactive.

Happy holidays.

uu1845 its difficult to know whether our are worrying about nothing

without mention about where you 'fall in the scale' to put it one

way - if you are about 5 inches then yeah you have a smallish penis

but most girls are not going to knock you back on that providing you

can do the business and you have more to offer than sex - if they do

then they are probably a certain type of chick that you take what you

can get from it and move on to the next one - life's too short to

miss opportunities!

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therapy.

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> said

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> > that this behavior of his was " selfish " , and yes Steph, I did put

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making

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of

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both

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willingness

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