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> The guidelines were written by Testosterone/hypogonadism specialists. the

> problems is the vast majority of endocrinologists see very little

> hypogonadism and their time and reading is bound up in diabetes, thyroids,

> and female issues. It's very hard to find one knowledgable or up to date

> in male hypogonadism issues.

Hi there

I think this is extremely important to have clarified.

Testosterone/Hypogonadism specialists are Endocrinologists. The AACE guide-lines

were

written by clinical endocrinologists accepted by the AACE.

Endocrinology is a very wide field. If you have a heart problem as there is only

one heart

you ask for a heart specialist. However Endocrinology covers many, many glands

and each

interacts to some extent and so firstly you need the topic heading Endocrinology

and THEN

the actual gland. A Pituitary Endocrinologist may very well not be the guy to

see if you have

Thyroid and if you have a pituitary problem you do not want to see a Thyroid

specialist if

you can help it.

If you read my post now and a few years ago it remains the same including AACE

guide-

lines - they were written by ENDOCRINOLOGISTS. The next stage is to find that

the

Endocrinologist you are considering is at a Medical Teaching School and teaching

medics -

not just a endocrinologist in a backwater with lots of patients from all sorts

of illnesses. Next

I would suggest even a google scholar search to find if they have contributed to

medical

research in the area you need help with.

This board is for Hypogonadism 2 (and in some respects 3) which is mainly

Pituitary and

Hypothalamus aetiology of Hypogonadism. Of course all are welcome here and some

Primary Hypogonadism cases are helped here but a separate board is there for

such

Primary cases.

Just to repeat it is not sufficient to look for an endocrinologist but neither

is it initially the

best case to find someone not qualified because most of us have had bad

experiences. The

world has a lot of medics and each country may have local differences. When

needing help

it is not sufficient to just find an endocrinologist as the subject area is

vast. Also it is not

sufficient just to find someone who has studied endocrinology and the gland you

have

problems with. It is very important to try and get a top guy who teaching in the

subject, has

lots of similar patients as yourself and perhaps who contributes to good quality

research.

Such medics are difficult to find hence one reason for posted messages here.

Kind regards,

On 10 Jan 2008 at 15:35, wrote:

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" Primary Hypogonadism cases are helped here but a

separate board is there for such "

Could you provide the link to that group please?

Thnx x.

--- Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote:

>

> > The guidelines were written by

> Testosterone/hypogonadism specialists. the

> > problems is the vast majority of endocrinologists

> see very little

> > hypogonadism and their time and reading is bound

> up in diabetes, thyroids,

> > and female issues. It's very hard to find one

> knowledgable or up to date

> > in male hypogonadism issues.

>

>

> Hi there

>

> I think this is extremely important to have

> clarified.

>

> Testosterone/Hypogonadism specialists are

> Endocrinologists. The AACE guide-lines were

> written by clinical endocrinologists accepted by the

> AACE.

>

> Endocrinology is a very wide field. If you have a

> heart problem as there is only one heart

> you ask for a heart specialist. However

> Endocrinology covers many, many glands and each

> interacts to some extent and so firstly you need the

> topic heading Endocrinology and THEN

> the actual gland. A Pituitary Endocrinologist may

> very well not be the guy to see if you have

> Thyroid and if you have a pituitary problem you do

> not want to see a Thyroid specialist if

> you can help it.

>

> If you read my post now and a few years ago it

> remains the same including AACE guide-

> lines - they were written by ENDOCRINOLOGISTS. The

> next stage is to find that the

> Endocrinologist you are considering is at a Medical

> Teaching School and teaching medics -

> not just a endocrinologist in a backwater with lots

> of patients from all sorts of illnesses. Next

> I would suggest even a google scholar search to find

> if they have contributed to medical

> research in the area you need help with.

>

> This board is for Hypogonadism 2 (and in some

> respects 3) which is mainly Pituitary and

> Hypothalamus aetiology of Hypogonadism. Of course

> all are welcome here and some

> Primary Hypogonadism cases are helped here but a

> separate board is there for such

> Primary cases.

>

> Just to repeat it is not sufficient to look for an

> endocrinologist but neither is it initially the

> best case to find someone not qualified because most

> of us have had bad experiences. The

> world has a lot of medics and each country may have

> local differences. When needing help

> it is not sufficient to just find an endocrinologist

> as the subject area is vast. Also it is not

> sufficient just to find someone who has studied

> endocrinology and the gland you have

> problems with. It is very important to try and get a

> top guy who teaching in the subject, has

> lots of similar patients as yourself and perhaps who

> contributes to good quality research.

> Such medics are difficult to find hence one reason

> for posted messages here.

>

> Kind regards,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On 10 Jan 2008 at 15:35,

> wrote:

>

> > There are 15 messages in this issue.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:10:03 -0000, you wrote:

>This board is for Hypogonadism 2 (and in some respects 3) which is mainly

Pituitary and

>Hypothalamus aetiology of Hypogonadism. Of course all are welcome here and some

>Primary Hypogonadism cases are helped here but a separate board is there for

such

>Primary cases.

I don't think the 2 has anything to do with secondary, only that

someone made a prior list and it was hypo-g 1. (It's quite dead now. )

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