Re: Re: DIM and weight loss

[Guest guest]

It's hard to say if your having night sweats try every 2 days if this is to much

you will lose all wood if this happens then stop the arimidex until wood comes

back then go back on it but this time try every 4 days. It's hard to tell with

out labs I do get my labs every 8 weeks.

john_dragoo <john_dragoo@...> wrote: Philip...I have a question

on E2 levels...I take 8 pumps of androgel

daily and have been taking 1/4 arimidex tablet every third day...I

feel OK but am wondering how I can best adjust the Arimidex...I still

have some night sweats, don't sleep very soundly and don't have a lot

of " dam strong " wood, but it's there when I need it. does it sound

like I should take my arimidex more or less often?...(haven't done

any labs for a while).

I've written to the group

before but never on this subject. I've

> been on IM 'T' shots for about a year under the direction of a good

> Houston endo. Because of some other health history issues, my

dosage

> is pretty low (25ML/50MG) once per week. While I'm satisfied with

> the results, I've never been able to get the endo to do (or at

least

> show me) an E2 test and the ratio of it to T - he basically has

said

> the T is taking care of it.

>

> About 2 months ago, after doing some reading, I started taking one

> Indoplex (DIM) tablet per day (120 MG) ( " Estrobalance " from one of

> the discount mail houses. I must say I'm pleased with the results

> because, while not making a huge difference, I feel more 'balanced'

> and steady throughout the week (I have no idea whether the DIM is

> responsible for it but I would guess it is).

>

> During that I've also been trying to lose a little weight. While

not

> really heavy (175-180 lbs for 5'11 " ) I just wanted to drop some

> (especially the 'love handles'). Before starting on DIM, I had hit

a

> plateau where I basically couldn't drop below 175 (I exercise 4

days

> a week - hour each day). Since being on DIM, I've dropped at least

> another 5 pounds & it looks like I can do some more. Has anyone

> else had this experience? I never thought DIM would do this but

> maybe the combo with the T is having the result. Any thoughts?

>

> TxMtnBoy

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I may be totally missing the mark here, but I mention the following just

to cover all the bases. I too had night sweats and didn't sleep well. It

eventually got worse and I noted that sometimes I had dark circles under

my eyes. I mentioned this to my doctor and long story short she sent me

in for a sleep study. Bingo! I have moderate sleep apnea, over three

hours I had symptoms called hypoapneas (66 times) and sleep disordered

breathing (very hard on your heart). I was not getting any REM sleep at

all. Zero minutes, even though I thought I was sleeping through the

night. The sweats are caused by your body fighting against being cut

short of oxygen and your brain keeps waking you up a little to breath

better. In the sleep lab the second half of the night they put a mask on

me and I slept wonderfully. The tech said on his readout that I almost

immediately went into deep restful REM sleep and stayed there with

perfect blood oxygen readings the rest of the night. No more sweats.

I now use a CPAP machine, a mask attached to a little box by my bedside.

Funny thing, ever since I have been using the thing I have total night

wood, every night. I didn't before ever, even with T replacement. Seems

my " unit " wasn't getting enough oxygen! lol

Just a thought.

Neil

john_dragoo wrote:

>

> Philip...I have a question on E2 levels...I take 8 pumps of androgel

> daily and have been taking 1/4 arimidex tablet every third day...I

> feel OK but am wondering how I can best adjust the Arimidex...I still

> have some night sweats, don't sleep very soundly and don't have a lot

> of " dam strong " wood, but it's there when I need it. does it sound

> like I should take my arimidex more or less often?...(haven' t done

> any labs for a while).

>

> I've written to the group

> before but never on this subject. I've

> > been on IM 'T' shots for about a year under the direction of a good

> > Houston endo. Because of some other health history issues, my

> dosage

> > is pretty low (25ML/50MG) once per week. While I'm satisfied with

> > the results, I've never been able to get the endo to do (or at

> least

> > show me) an E2 test and the ratio of it to T - he basically has

> said

> > the T is taking care of it.

> >

> > About 2 months ago, after doing some reading, I started taking one

> > Indoplex (DIM) tablet per day (120 MG) ( " Estrobalance " from one of

> > the discount mail houses. I must say I'm pleased with the results

> > because, while not making a huge difference, I feel more 'balanced'

> > and steady throughout the week (I have no idea whether the DIM is

> > responsible for it but I would guess it is).

> >

> > During that I've also been trying to lose a little weight. While

> not

> > really heavy (175-180 lbs for 5'11 " ) I just wanted to drop some

> > (especially the 'love handles'). Before starting on DIM, I had hit

> a

> > plateau where I basically couldn't drop below 175 (I exercise 4

> days

> > a week - hour each day). Since being on DIM, I've dropped at least

> > another 5 pounds & it looks like I can do some more. Has anyone

> > else had this experience? I never thought DIM would do this but

> > maybe the combo with the T is having the result. Any thoughts?

> >

> > TxMtnBoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> you see. "

> > Phil

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I wish my results with CPAP were as remarkable as yours. I have been

on it for over two years. Still don't sleep well, still have to fight

with DIM or Arimidex to get the night time wood, haven't lost any

weight, sweat at night. I guess like all else, your mileage may vary

with CPAP.

On May 21, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Neil wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> I may be totally missing the mark here, but I mention the following

> just

> to cover all the bases. I too had night sweats and didn't sleep

> well. It

> eventually got worse and I noted that sometimes I had dark circles

> under

> my eyes. I mentioned this to my doctor and long story short she sent

> me

> in for a sleep study. Bingo! I have moderate sleep apnea, over three

> hours I had symptoms called hypoapneas (66 times) and sleep disordered

> breathing (very hard on your heart). I was not getting any REM sleep

> at

> all. Zero minutes, even though I thought I was sleeping through the

> night. The sweats are caused by your body fighting against being cut

> short of oxygen and your brain keeps waking you up a little to breath

> better. In the sleep lab the second half of the night they put a

> mask on

> me and I slept wonderfully. The tech said on his readout that I almost

> immediately went into deep restful REM sleep and stayed there with

> perfect blood oxygen readings the rest of the night. No more sweats.

>

> I now use a CPAP machine, a mask attached to a little box by my

> bedside.

> Funny thing, ever since I have been using the thing I have total night

> wood, every night. I didn't before ever, even with T replacement.

> Seems

> my " unit " wasn't getting enough oxygen! lol

>

> Just a thought.

>

> Neil

>

> john_dragoo wrote:

>>

>> Philip...I have a question on E2 levels...I take 8 pumps of androgel

>> daily and have been taking 1/4 arimidex tablet every third day...I

>> feel OK but am wondering how I can best adjust the Arimidex...I still

>> have some night sweats, don't sleep very soundly and don't have a lot

>> of " dam strong " wood, but it's there when I need it. does it sound

>> like I should take my arimidex more or less often?...(haven' t done

>> any labs for a while).

>>

>> I've written to the group

>> before but never on this subject. I've

>>> been on IM 'T' shots for about a year under the direction of a good

>>> Houston endo. Because of some other health history issues, my

>> dosage

>>> is pretty low (25ML/50MG) once per week. While I'm satisfied with

>>> the results, I've never been able to get the endo to do (or at

>> least

>>> show me) an E2 test and the ratio of it to T - he basically has

>> said

>>> the T is taking care of it.

>>>

>>> About 2 months ago, after doing some reading, I started taking one

>>> Indoplex (DIM) tablet per day (120 MG) ( " Estrobalance " from one of

>>> the discount mail houses. I must say I'm pleased with the results

>>> because, while not making a huge difference, I feel more 'balanced'

>>> and steady throughout the week (I have no idea whether the DIM is

>>> responsible for it but I would guess it is).

>>>

>>> During that I've also been trying to lose a little weight. While

>> not

>>> really heavy (175-180 lbs for 5'11 " ) I just wanted to drop some

>>> (especially the 'love handles'). Before starting on DIM, I had hit

>> a

>>> plateau where I basically couldn't drop below 175 (I exercise 4

>> days

>>> a week - hour each day). Since being on DIM, I've dropped at least

>>> another 5 pounds & it looks like I can do some more. Has anyone

>>> else had this experience? I never thought DIM would do this but

>>> maybe the combo with the T is having the result. Any thoughts?

>>>

>>> TxMtnBoy

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

>> you see. "

>>> Phil

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

I would agree. And I have been reading the sleep apnea message boards as

well. The machines that are favored there are ones that have data cards

that record something called the AHI index, this can tell if there are

still sleep disturbances that need attending to or if adjustments are

needed. There are also auto cpap machines, that when they sense

something amiss (mask leaks, breakthrough snoring, apneas, etc) they

adjust the pressure to suit the condition. Here is an example of such a

machine, the card, the software, etc.

*http://tinyurl.com/55bzmr

Neil

*

gettin_older wrote:

>

> Dave, you probably need another sleep study. Go back to your sleep doc

> and tell him/her your problems w/not sleeping well. Something is not

> right.

>

> Gettin Older

>

> (On CPAP for two years and now I sleep like a baby 90% of the time.

> after getting an Auto CPAP.)

>

>

> >

> > I wish my results with CPAP were as remarkable as yours. I have

> been

> > on it for over two years. Still don't sleep well, still have to

> fight

> > with DIM or Arimidex to get the night time wood, haven't lost any

> > weight, sweat at night. I guess like all else, your mileage may

> vary

> > with CPAP.

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dave,

I should say too that I would not be satisfied with those results and

would not take no for an answer. I have proudly butted heads with more

doctors than I can count. If I still get nowhere I just go to someone

else, my current doctor I got from Phil here and finally I am getting

results. My personal health history has been slowly unfolding....like

peeling an onion. When I get rid of one problem it seems to unmask

another, and slowly I am feeling better as my problems are getting treated.

When I look back to the days when I just let that HMO dictate to me and

hand me a bunch of pills, no wonder I was just numb and shut down.

Please let us know how things work out...

Neil

Dave wrote:

>

> I wish my results with CPAP were as remarkable as yours. I have been

> on it for over two years. Still don't sleep well, still have to fight

> with DIM or Arimidex to get the night time wood, haven't lost any

> weight, sweat at night. I guess like all else, your mileage may vary

> with CPAP.

>

> On May 21, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Neil wrote:

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I may be totally missing the mark here, but I mention the following

> > just

> > to cover all the bases. I too had night sweats and didn't sleep

> > well. It

> > eventually got worse and I noted that sometimes I had dark circles

> > under

> > my eyes. I mentioned this to my doctor and long story short she sent

> > me

> > in for a sleep study. Bingo! I have moderate sleep apnea, over three

> > hours I had symptoms called hypoapneas (66 times) and sleep disordered

> > breathing (very hard on your heart). I was not getting any REM sleep

> > at

> > all. Zero minutes, even though I thought I was sleeping through the

> > night. The sweats are caused by your body fighting against being cut

> > short of oxygen and your brain keeps waking you up a little to breath

> > better. In the sleep lab the second half of the night they put a

> > mask on

> > me and I slept wonderfully. The tech said on his readout that I almost

> > immediately went into deep restful REM sleep and stayed there with

> > perfect blood oxygen readings the rest of the night. No more sweats.

> >

> > I now use a CPAP machine, a mask attached to a little box by my

> > bedside.

> > Funny thing, ever since I have been using the thing I have total night

> > wood, every night. I didn't before ever, even with T replacement.

> > Seems

> > my " unit " wasn't getting enough oxygen! lol

> >

> > Just a thought.

> >

> > Neil

> >

> > john_dragoo wrote:

> >>

> >> Philip...I have a question on E2 levels...I take 8 pumps of androgel

> >> daily and have been taking 1/4 arimidex tablet every third day...I

> >> feel OK but am wondering how I can best adjust the Arimidex...I still

> >> have some night sweats, don't sleep very soundly and don't have a lot

> >> of " dam strong " wood, but it's there when I need it. does it sound

> >> like I should take my arimidex more or less often?...(haven' t done

> >> any labs for a while).

> >>

> >> I've written to the group

> >> before but never on this subject. I've

> >>> been on IM 'T' shots for about a year under the direction of a good

> >>> Houston endo. Because of some other health history issues, my

> >> dosage

> >>> is pretty low (25ML/50MG) once per week. While I'm satisfied with

> >>> the results, I've never been able to get the endo to do (or at

> >> least

> >>> show me) an E2 test and the ratio of it to T - he basically has

> >> said

> >>> the T is taking care of it.

> >>>

> >>> About 2 months ago, after doing some reading, I started taking one

> >>> Indoplex (DIM) tablet per day (120 MG) ( " Estrobalance " from one of

> >>> the discount mail houses. I must say I'm pleased with the results

> >>> because, while not making a huge difference, I feel more 'balanced'

> >>> and steady throughout the week (I have no idea whether the DIM is

> >>> responsible for it but I would guess it is).

> >>>

> >>> During that I've also been trying to lose a little weight. While

> >> not

> >>> really heavy (175-180 lbs for 5'11 " ) I just wanted to drop some

> >>> (especially the 'love handles'). Before starting on DIM, I had hit

> >> a

> >>> plateau where I basically couldn't drop below 175 (I exercise 4

> >> days

> >>> a week - hour each day). Since being on DIM, I've dropped at least

> >>> another 5 pounds & it looks like I can do some more. Has anyone

> >>> else had this experience? I never thought DIM would do this but

> >>> maybe the combo with the T is having the result. Any thoughts?

> >>>

> >>> TxMtnBoy

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> >> you see. "

> >>> Phil

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Oh yes my wife was real bad and hated the mach. She would rip it off her face in

less then an hour. She lost 40 lbs and it's gone I gained some weight and was

snoring very bad lost only 35 lbs it's gone. I feel weight has a lot to do with

it.

jimdetroit <jmosrite@...> wrote: I have a question. How much

have others noted that weight loss affects

sleep apnea? I didn't snore badly until I started gaining weight after

I found myself with low T/high E2 resulting from a pituitary tumor.

Have others noted a correlation?

Thanks,

Jim

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

Phil