Re: Study on TRT as method of contraception & fertility levels after stopping TRT

May 14, 2009

Yes we have known this for some time but it does not do this in younger men as

much as it does in older men. I know a lot of younger men on just TRT that made

a baby.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@...>

> Subject: Study on TRT as method of contraception & fertility

levels after stopping TRT

>

> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> For those who have researched fully

> about TRT there is nothing new from this study but it does

> underline the fact TRT does impact fertility after stopping

> TRT (at least for a period) hence the need for hCG whilst on

> TRT if wanting to retain fertility completely (or as near as

> possible).....a critical point so many endo's and a few on

> this board just don't seem to not understand

>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

>

> ------------------------------------

>

May 14, 2009

Phil - maybe true but the guys in this study were 20-45yrs old so I would

consider 20-35yrs (the vast majority) to be young and the pregnancy rate was 1

pregnancy per 100 guys

>

> > From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@...>

> > Subject: Study on TRT as method of contraception & fertility

levels after stopping TRT

> >

> > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> > For those who have researched fully

> > about TRT there is nothing new from this study but it does

> > underline the fact TRT does impact fertility after stopping

> > TRT (at least for a period) hence the need for hCG whilst on

> > TRT if wanting to retain fertility completely (or as near as

> > possible).....a critical point so many endo's and a few on

> > this board just don't seem to not understand

> >

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

May 14, 2009

Still if you don't want kids this is a poor way to not make a baby and studys

are a dime a doz. Everyone is doing some small study and the news reports it.

All you can do is go by people on TRT that made a baby Dr. says TRT should

not some one from making a baby is done right.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@...>

> Subject: Re: Study on TRT as method of contraception &

fertility levels after stopping TRT

>

> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:59 PM

> Phil - maybe true but the guys in

> this study were 20-45yrs old so I would consider 20-35yrs

> (the vast majority) to be young and the pregnancy rate was 1

> pregnancy per 100 guys

>

> >

> > > From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@...>

> > > Subject: Study on TRT as method of

> contraception & fertility levels after stopping TRT

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> > > For those who have researched fully

> > > about TRT there is nothing new from this study

> but it does

> > > underline the fact TRT does impact fertility

> after stopping

> > > TRT (at least for a period) hence the need for

> hCG whilst on

> > > TRT if wanting to retain fertility completely (or

> as near as

> > > possible).....a critical point so many endo's and

> a few on

> > > this board just don't seem to not understand

> > >

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

May 14, 2009

Phil I agree TRT is not full proof if being used as contraception but lets be

honest it dramatically reduces a guys chances of getting his wife/girlfriend

pregnant.

Also I instinctively don't believe everything someone says..in this case Dr

or others who always cite what their endo says. It's good if you know someone is

good in their field and you feel you can trust what they say but I personally

don't just believe what someone tells me without my own research.

I didn't understand your last sentance by the way

Chris

> > >

> > > > From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@>

> > > > Subject: Study on TRT as method of

> > contraception & fertility levels after stopping TRT

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> > > > For those who have researched fully

> > > > about TRT there is nothing new from this study

> > but it does

> > > > underline the fact TRT does impact fertility

> > after stopping

> > > > TRT (at least for a period) hence the need for

> > hCG whilst on

> > > > TRT if wanting to retain fertility completely (or

> > as near as

> > > > possible).....a critical point so many endo's and

> > a few on

> > > > this board just don't seem to not understand

> > > >

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

May 14, 2009

Sorry my mind it still not right form being out cold in bypass heart sugary 15

weeks I should have put the word " stop " and is should be " if "

(TRT should not stop some one from making a baby if done.

right.)

You are much like me I don't believe anything I hear and only half of what I see

my Dad told me this at a very young age.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@...>

> Subject: Re: Study on TRT as method of contraception &

fertility levels after stopping TRT

>

> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:08 PM

> Phil I agree TRT is not full proof if

> being used as contraception but lets be honest it

> dramatically reduces a guys chances of getting his

> wife/girlfriend pregnant.

>

> Also I instinctively don't believe everything someone

> says..in this case Dr or others who always cite what

> their endo says. It's good if you know someone is good in

> their field and you feel you can trust what they say but I

> personally don't just believe what someone tells me without

> my own research.

>

> I didn't understand your last sentance by the way

>

> Chris

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@>

> > > > > Subject: Study on TRT as

> method of

> > > contraception & fertility levels after

> stopping TRT

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> > > > > For those who have researched fully

> > > > > about TRT there is nothing new from

> this study

> > > but it does

> > > > > underline the fact TRT does impact

> fertility

> > > after stopping

> > > > > TRT (at least for a period) hence the

> need for

> > > hCG whilst on

> > > > > TRT if wanting to retain fertility

> completely (or

> > > as near as

> > > > > possible).....a critical point so many

> endo's and

> > > a few on

> > > > > this board just don't seem to not

> understand

> > > > >

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

May 15, 2009

Actually that is what they said for the men who were taking it as a form of

birth control- it had a 1% failure rate- 1 in 100 men impregnated their wives.

" An important question is whether men's sperm counts rose again once the

injections were stopped. For most men it took around 200 days for their sperm

count to get back to normal, but 17 men still hadn't recovered their fertility

after a year. Most of these men had a normal sperm count after an extra three

months, but two men still weren't producing sperm after this time. "

So two men in over 700 were still infertile after 15 months. Thank you for

posting this article- it definitely put things more into perspective for me. As

a woman who has been on the birth control pill for years I know that it also can

take a while to come off of and conceive. The numbers dont sound much different

from that to me. And I am assuming if these men were using HCG to jumpstart

their fertility the study would tell us- so a large percentage of men who came

off the TRT were fertile again without using anything else, so i would imagine

the numbers would be even better or faster if they used HCG after they stopped

their TRT to start producing faster.

> >

> > > From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@>

> > > Subject: Study on TRT as method of contraception &

fertility levels after stopping TRT

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> > > For those who have researched fully

> > > about TRT there is nothing new from this study but it does

> > > underline the fact TRT does impact fertility after stopping

> > > TRT (at least for a period) hence the need for hCG whilst on

> > > TRT if wanting to retain fertility completely (or as near as

> > > possible).....a critical point so many endo's and a few on

> > > this board just don't seem to not understand

> > >

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

May 15, 2009

- no problem - I would still advise you/your husband to do as much

research as you can though as it seems you are doing anyway

I also instinctively think it's not a good idea to remain on TRT for few years

or so without hCG if intention is not to do damage to fertility but this study

does imply for most it is reversable which is good to know I guess (with

short-term use of TRT at least)

> > >

> > > > From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@>

> > > > Subject: Study on TRT as method of contraception &

fertility levels after stopping TRT

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> > > > For those who have researched fully

> > > > about TRT there is nothing new from this study but it does

> > > > underline the fact TRT does impact fertility after stopping

> > > > TRT (at least for a period) hence the need for hCG whilst on

> > > > TRT if wanting to retain fertility completely (or as near as

> > > > possible).....a critical point so many endo's and a few on

> > > > this board just don't seem to not understand

> > > >

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

May 15, 2009

Yes- this study was 2 years long- so definitely not short, but not long enough

to give me confidence of fertility after a decade of being on it. I wish there

were more research being done about these other therapies and their affect on

young men where fertility IS an issue- all I can find is anti-aging articles for

60+ men. I am still so baffled by the lack of knowledge and lack of concern in

the medical community about all of this.

> > > >

> > > > > From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@>

> > > > > Subject: Study on TRT as method of contraception &

fertility levels after stopping TRT

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> > > > > For those who have researched fully

> > > > > about TRT there is nothing new from this study but it does

> > > > > underline the fact TRT does impact fertility after stopping

> > > > > TRT (at least for a period) hence the need for hCG whilst on

> > > > > TRT if wanting to retain fertility completely (or as near as

> > > > > possible).....a critical point so many endo's and a few on

> > > > > this board just don't seem to not understand

> > > > >

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

May 16, 2009

Healthy young men using testosterone so they could build bigger muscles found

when they cycled off it there pituitary in there brain did not send the messages

to there testis of LH and FSH to make there own T. In the last 26 yrs I have

come across so many men on TRT do to doing this and steroids. Each of them

Cycled off them in what they thought was the right way but it did not work.

This is why I tell men to find out why they are low on T and if it's not there

pituitary or being Secondary or there Testis meaning they are Primary not to go

on TRT because if it's there liver or high Estradiol or drinking to much SOY

milk the list goes on as to why a young mans T levels go down and in most if you

fix the problem there levels come back up. But if there Dr. puts them on TRT in

most it's to late and they are on TRT for life.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Lynn Knight <rachael_knight_@...>

> Subject: Re: Study on TRT as method of contraception &

fertility levels after stopping TRT

>

> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 2:14 PM

> Actually that is what they said for

> the men who were taking it as a form of birth control- it

> had a 1% failure rate- 1 in 100 men impregnated their wives.

>

> " An important question is whether men's sperm counts rose

> again once the injections were stopped. For most men it took

> around 200 days for their sperm count to get back to normal,

> but 17 men still hadn't recovered their fertility after a

> year. Most of these men had a normal sperm count after an

> extra three months, but two men still weren't producing

> sperm after this time. "

>

> So two men in over 700 were still infertile after 15

> months. Thank you for posting this article- it definitely

> put things more into perspective for me. As a woman who has

> been on the birth control pill for years I know that it also

> can take a while to come off of and conceive. The numbers

> dont sound much different from that to me. And I am assuming

> if these men were using HCG to jumpstart their fertility the

> study would tell us- so a large percentage of men who came

> off the TRT were fertile again without using anything else,

> so i would imagine the numbers would be even better or

> faster if they used HCG after they stopped their TRT to

> start producing faster.

>

> > >

> > > > From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@>

> > > > Subject: Study on TRT as

> method of contraception & fertility levels after

> stopping TRT

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> > > > For those who have researched fully

> > > > about TRT there is nothing new from this

> study but it does

> > > > underline the fact TRT does impact fertility

> after stopping

> > > > TRT (at least for a period) hence the need

> for hCG whilst on

> > > > TRT if wanting to retain fertility

> completely (or as near as

> > > > possible).....a critical point so many

> endo's and a few on

> > > > this board just don't seem to not

> understand

> > > >

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

May 16, 2009

I haven't read the study, but Hcg is still very experimental on males and it

will prove useless on primary males where the testicles are the cause and not

the brain itself. There is not enough studies on hypogandism and how to

re-stimulate the testes in primary males.

I think and what was told to me, if you are primary and want to conceive, try

naturally for at least 3 months especially during the time your committed girl

or wife is ovulating. Of course you will have to be off TRT, or using TRT very

sparingly.

For example, if a healthy male has 20 million sperm, and we primary males have

around 5-10 million if lower, it only takes one to make it over to allow

conception.

If you are primary, hcg can possibly help. Or another fertility med that has

been FDA approved on males. Other expensive ways are also explored. So the

point is before complex information and worry is on-set, try naturally and if so

there still could be a great chance you and your mate can get pregnant.

I worry myself after what I experienced, but I realized when I did conceive I

was not taking TRT daily as I should. That allowed my LH, FSH to become active

again. I was told my testes while small, still should hold enough sperm. That is

hope.

I wish hope for every guy out there as well. All these experiments are ideal but

what do they prove? Seriously. It will need more specific experiments to figure

out how damaged testes can reproduce natural sperm again. For some guys, they

may never conceive. Despite what I have been through, to know I may have a

chance at natural conception is a good feeling. I think secondary hypo has good

enough ways of handling it and getting guys active with conception and life.

Make sure the woman health is healthy enough for a good conception percentage.

If conception is complex have patience.

If nothing, talk with a qualified Endo in your area

May 17, 2009

>

> - no problem - I would still advise you/your husband to do as much

research as you can though as it seems you are doing anyway

>

> I also instinctively think it's not a good idea to remain on TRT for few years

or so without hCG if intention is not to do damage to fertility but this study

does imply for most it is reversable which is good to know I guess (with

short-term use of TRT at least)

>

Good recommendation.

Low dosage hCG (100 iu every day or 250 iu every other day) would seem like

good " fertility insurance " . It would cost around $15 a month at that dose.

~Xian

May 17, 2009

This HCG I get Novarel cost my Drug plain $55 when they have it this new Diet

for women are using up all the HCG and it's hard to get. I tell people to get

it from the Allday Chemist you can get what is = to Novrarel 5000 IU's for about

$13.52 guys like this because it is smaller the the Novarel I get 10,000 IU's

that is only good for 30 day in the firdge after mixing. Only thing is the

water it comes in is sterile water and is meant to mix and us the same day. So

you would need to get some Bacteriostatic Water here is a cut and paste on how

to mix this.

==========================================================================

BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water.

Calculating HCG:

There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's

quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result

is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end

result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the

concentration of HCG per ampoule or vial.

Mixing HCG:

(Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****).

1) Open hcg/amp with powder

2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG

3) It will instantly dissolve

4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the

vial

5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial

6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG (don't shake it sweril it)

7) Than draw 1cc and inject

8) put the rest in the refrigerator

â€¢The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use

and you wouldnâ€™t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again.

Thatâ€™s why you need Bac H2o.

â€¢The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The

concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes

leydig cell desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH once

HCG has been discontinued.

â€¢HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the

solvent it comes with.

â€¢You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use

http://www.alldaychemist.com/drugs/Novarel.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@...>

> Subject: Re: Study on TRT as method of contraception &

fertility levels after stopping TRT

>

> Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:28 AM

>

> >

> > - no problem - I would still advise you/your

> husband to do as much research as you can though as it seems

> you are doing anyway

> >

> > I also instinctively think it's not a good idea to

> remain on TRT for few years or so without hCG if intention

> is not to do damage to fertility but this study does imply

> for most it is reversable which is good to know I guess

> (with short-term use of TRT at least)

> >

> Good recommendation.Â

>

> Low dosage hCG (100 iu every day or 250 iu everyÂ

> other day) would seem like good " fertility insurance " .Â

> It would cost around $15 a month at that dose.

>

> ~Xian

>

> ------------------------------------

>

May 17, 2009

Wow I was under the impression it would be crazy expensive!

> >

> > - no problem - I would still advise you/your husband to do as much

research as you can though as it seems you are doing anyway

> >

> > I also instinctively think it's not a good idea to remain on TRT for few

years or so without hCG if intention is not to do damage to fertility but this

study does imply for most it is reversable which is good to know I guess (with

short-term use of TRT at least)

> >

> Good recommendation.

>

> Low dosage hCG (100 iu every day or 250 iu every other day) would seem like

good " fertility insurance " . It would cost around $15 a month at that dose.

>

> ~Xian

>

May 17, 2009

On Fri, 15 May 2009 23:53:34 -0000, you wrote:

> I am still so baffled by the lack of knowledge and lack of concern in the

medical community about all of this.

Thank you. That is amazing isn't it?

May 21, 2009

Has anyone ever heard of a disorder called Sertoli-Cell-Only Syndrome (SCOS)?

My wife and I are ready to have children, but I was diagnosed with this disorder

last week. I suspect that my symptoms could be as a result of being on TRT for

such a long time... I've been on plain TRT for the past 17 years (first 7 were

bi-weekly shots, last 10 have been Androgel). Around the end of February, I

started using hCG in conjunction with the Androgel.

Needless to say, I will be going back to the Urologist with this study, to see

what he says. But that appointment is about 3 months away. In the meantime, I

wanted to pick your collective brains to see if SCOS is something the medical

profession invented because the guidelines say sperm should be present within 3

months of starting hCG treatment. I've done some research on SCOS but found

very little information of value. So, back to my question, has anyone ever

heard of this disorder?

Thanks.

-Hitman

> > >

> > > > From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@>

> > > > Subject: Study on TRT as method of contraception &

fertility levels after stopping TRT

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> > > > For those who have researched fully

> > > > about TRT there is nothing new from this study but it does

> > > > underline the fact TRT does impact fertility after stopping

> > > > TRT (at least for a period) hence the need for hCG whilst on

> > > > TRT if wanting to retain fertility completely (or as near as

> > > > possible).....a critical point so many endo's and a few on

> > > > this board just don't seem to not understand

> > > >

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

May 21, 2009

Can't say I ever heard this but long before you when on TRT did you have your

sperm tested and were you told your Primary or Secondary bottom line what was

your LH and FSH on your first set of labs before going on TRT. Mine LH was just

above the bottom of the levels yet they still told me I am Primary. Four yrs.

ago I added HCG to my TRT shots and my levels after the 15th shot of HCG doubled

so we went over my old labs and did an MRI on my pituitary. Turns out I am

Secondary Hypopituitary due to a head injury from an auto accident some 27 yrs.

ago.

Here is a search I did check it out I don't have much time to read this today

have people coming over for dinner.

http://tinyurl.com/oy8mfz

I feel if your LH and FSH was very low on your fist set of labs your sprem would

be no good anyway. We tell men today to have there sperm tested before going on

TRT and if it's good have some frozen for a back up. There are men that went

off TRT and made a BABY.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hvs1 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Study on TRT as method of contraception &

fertility levels after stopping TRT

>

> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 3:32 PM

> Has anyone ever heard of a disorder

> called Sertoli-Cell-Only Syndrome (SCOS)? My wife and

> I are ready to have children, but I was diagnosed with this

> disorder last week. I suspect that my symptoms could

> be as a result of being on TRT for such a long time... I've

> been on plain TRT for the past 17 years (first 7 were

> bi-weekly shots, last 10 have been Androgel). Around

> the end of February, I started using hCG in conjunction with

> the Androgel.

>

> Needless to say, I will be going back to the Urologist with

> this study, to see what he says. But that appointment

> is about 3 months away. In the meantime, I wanted to

> pick your collective brains to see if SCOS is something the

> medical profession invented because the guidelines say sperm

> should be present within 3 months of starting hCG

> treatment. I've done some research on SCOS but found

> very little information of value. So, back to my

> question, has anyone ever heard of this disorder?

>

> Thanks.

> -Hitman

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@>

> > > > > Subject: Study on TRT as

> method of contraception & fertility levels after

> stopping TRT

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> > > > > For those who have researched fully

> > > > > about TRT there is nothing new from

> this study but it does

> > > > > underline the fact TRT does impact

> fertility after stopping

> > > > > TRT (at least for a period) hence the

> need for hCG whilst on

> > > > > TRT if wanting to retain fertility

> completely (or as near as

> > > > > possible).....a critical point so many

> endo's and a few on

> > > > > this board just don't seem to not

> understand

> > > > >

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

May 28, 2009

Thanks Phil and Xian, for your responses. Sorry I haven't posted back in some

time, but I was looking for my old lab results. Unfortunately, I think I

misplaced them when I moved. I will try to answer your questions as best I can.

Q: Am I primary or secondary

A: When I started, my endo did a bunch of labwork. The results showed that LH,

FSH, and T were low. My pituitary MRI revealed no tumor, though the pituitary

is smaller than normal. In addition, my endo ordered a test (I think it was

pulsatile gNRH) to determine if my body would naturally produce T if property

stimulated. That test was successful, and my endo assured me that my

TRT-induced infertility would be reversible, and that I would be able to have

kids -- when I was ready -- by adding hCG into the mix.

Q: Did I have my sperm tested before starting

A: I was 17 and non-pubertal at the time... my body wasn't making sperm. I did

have a semen analysis about 7 years ago, which showed some sperm -- not nearly

enough to get pregnant naturally, but definitely greater than 0.

Xian, I read those abstracts you passed along in your message, and I found them

interesting. But when I put all the facts together, I get a different diagnosis

than my urologist.

Assuming that the semen analysis 7 years ago was accurate, I will continue on

hCG + Androgel until my next appointment before trying something more drastic.

I will ask my urologist about the results of this study and will post back

whatever I learn from him. If anyone runs across any additional research,

please let the group know.

Thanks,

-Hitman

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@>

> > > > > > Subject: Study on TRT as

> > method of contraception & fertility levels after

> > stopping TRT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:24 PM

> > > > > > For those who have researched fully

> > > > > > about TRT there is nothing new from

> > this study but it does

> > > > > > underline the fact TRT does impact

> > fertility after stopping

> > > > > > TRT (at least for a period) hence the

> > need for hCG whilst on

> > > > > > TRT if wanting to retain fertility

> > completely (or as near as

> > > > > > possible).....a critical point so many

> > endo's and a few on

> > > > > > this board just don't seem to not

> > understand

> > > > > >

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2009/may/05/testosterone-i\

njections-work-like-a-male-pill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

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