Just found this group and have some questions

August 7, 2008

I was diagnosed with Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism about 8 years ago

or so. Went on the standard shots and I got some relief but not much.

My T levels ranged from 190-250 ish. After getting shots for a short

time, my levels made it to 400 or so. But I was getting very severe

muscle " fullness feeling " , tightness and bad pain in my lower back.

Stopped the shots and the pain eased and went away. Tried the patches,

and that did not work at all. Tried androgel and that did not help

either, too much annoyance for little gain. Stopped taking and treat

and just dealt with the typical symptoms. I can get what I had for

dosages when I get home, but from what I remember they were very high

A couple years ago I decided to try again and tried shots again with

the exact same problem, then the gel which did not work well. I did

quite a bit of research and I did not see where the pain and tightness

in my back was supposed to associated with shots, but every time I

have tried the shots, it comes right back. It would get so bad that

walking more that 100 yards was excruciating. I tried pain pills and

muscle relaxers with no relief. I would really like to find a

treatment that would get my levels to upper normal levels, so I can be

energetic. I am 43 years old and I have never felt energetic, I do not

have that drive that is typical " male " . Libido is low. Does any of the

newer research show any links between t therapy and back pain, or

could it be that raising my t lowered something else and that caused it.

I would absolutely love to be at a point where I am chasing my wife

around the house like a teenager...

Mark

August 7, 2008

Try HCG start doing 100 IU's shots every day HCG acts like the LH message from

your brain that tells your testis to make testosterone. So if your testis work

good the HCG will tell your testis to make there own testosterone. If you get

pain from this I will be shocked.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: MarkTimon <mark@...>

> Subject: Just found this group and have some questions

>

> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:31 PM

> I was diagnosed with Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism about 8

> years ago

> or so. Went on the standard shots and I got some relief but

> not much.

> My T levels ranged from 190-250 ish. After getting shots

> for a short

> time, my levels made it to 400 or so. But I was getting

> very severe

> muscle " fullness feeling " , tightness and bad pain

> in my lower back.

> Stopped the shots and the pain eased and went away. Tried

> the patches,

> and that did not work at all. Tried androgel and that did

> not help

> either, too much annoyance for little gain. Stopped taking

> and treat

> and just dealt with the typical symptoms. I can get what I

> had for

> dosages when I get home, but from what I remember they were

> very high

>

> A couple years ago I decided to try again and tried shots

> again with

> the exact same problem, then the gel which did not work

> well. I did

> quite a bit of research and I did not see where the pain

> and tightness

> in my back was supposed to associated with shots, but every

> time I

> have tried the shots, it comes right back. It would get so

> bad that

> walking more that 100 yards was excruciating. I tried pain

> pills and

> muscle relaxers with no relief. I would really like to find

> a

> treatment that would get my levels to upper normal levels,

> so I can be

> energetic. I am 43 years old and I have never felt

> energetic, I do not

> have that drive that is typical " male " . Libido is

> low. Does any of the

> newer research show any links between t therapy and back

> pain, or

> could it be that raising my t lowered something else and

> that caused it.

>

> I would absolutely love to be at a point where I am chasing

> my wife

> around the house like a teenager...

>

> Mark

>

> ------------------------------------

>

August 7, 2008

Hi Mark,

You were not treated right by that doctor. Often doctors give their

patients one HUGE shot every 2-4 weeks. This results in a gigantic surge

of testosterone, so much so much of it can be turned into estrogen. Then

after about 10 days after the shot you start to crash, testosterone does

not last that long.

The best way to do injections, in my opinion, is to self inject twice a

week. You also have to run estrogen blood work to make sure estrogen is

not getting out of hand. Twice a week injections result in a stable

blood level of testosterone...just like you had when you were young.

I am positive you can achieve a youthful level of testosterone and feel

well again. It's not you, from the sound of it, your doctor was an amateur.

Neil

MarkTimon wrote:

>

> I was diagnosed with Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism about 8 years ago

> or so. Went on the standard shots and I got some relief but not much.

> My T levels ranged from 190-250 ish. After getting shots for a short

> time, my levels made it to 400 or so. But I was getting very severe

> muscle " fullness feeling " , tightness and bad pain in my lower back.

> Stopped the shots and the pain eased and went away. Tried the patches,

> and that did not work at all. Tried androgel and that did not help

> either, too much annoyance for little gain. Stopped taking and treat

> and just dealt with the typical symptoms. I can get what I had for

> dosages when I get home, but from what I remember they were very high

>

> A couple years ago I decided to try again and tried shots again with

> the exact same problem, then the gel which did not work well. I did

> quite a bit of research and I did not see where the pain and tightness

> in my back was supposed to associated with shots, but every time I

> have tried the shots, it comes right back. It would get so bad that

> walking more that 100 yards was excruciating. I tried pain pills and

> muscle relaxers with no relief. I would really like to find a

> treatment that would get my levels to upper normal levels, so I can be

> energetic. I am 43 years old and I have never felt energetic, I do not

> have that drive that is typical " male " . Libido is low. Does any of the

> newer research show any links between t therapy and back pain, or

> could it be that raising my t lowered something else and that caused it.

>

> I would absolutely love to be at a point where I am chasing my wife

> around the house like a teenager...

>

> Mark

>

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August 10, 2008

Mark,

Thank you for joining this group. I have just rejoined myself. You

are not alone with this condition. I have also had it for about the

same time you have had it but for a much different reason. I will

share the cause in a different posting later.

I have no idea why you are having back pain and also why treatment

has not worked well for you. I will do my best to do some research

for you and will let you know if I find anything.

I know this has been very tough for you and your spouse. Take comfort

in the fact that you are not alone with this. I am struggling with

depression and have even gone so far as to consider committing

suicide. This group has been a great help in dealing with this

horrible condition and has helped pull me from the edge. You have

taken a great first step in joining the group. God bless you and

thank you for your support.

>

> I was diagnosed with Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism about 8 years ago

> or so. Went on the standard shots and I got some relief but not

much.

> My T levels ranged from 190-250 ish. After getting shots for a short

> time, my levels made it to 400 or so. But I was getting very severe

> muscle " fullness feeling " , tightness and bad pain in my lower back.

> Stopped the shots and the pain eased and went away. Tried the

patches,

> and that did not work at all. Tried androgel and that did not help

> either, too much annoyance for little gain. Stopped taking and

treat

> and just dealt with the typical symptoms. I can get what I had for

> dosages when I get home, but from what I remember they were very

high

>

> A couple years ago I decided to try again and tried shots again with

> the exact same problem, then the gel which did not work well. I did

> quite a bit of research and I did not see where the pain and

tightness

> in my back was supposed to associated with shots, but every time I

> have tried the shots, it comes right back. It would get so bad that

> walking more that 100 yards was excruciating. I tried pain pills and

> muscle relaxers with no relief. I would really like to find a

> treatment that would get my levels to upper normal levels, so I can

be

> energetic. I am 43 years old and I have never felt energetic, I do

not

> have that drive that is typical " male " . Libido is low. Does any of

the

> newer research show any links between t therapy and back pain, or

> could it be that raising my t lowered something else and that

caused it.

>

> I would absolutely love to be at a point where I am chasing my wife

> around the house like a teenager...

>

> Mark

>

August 11, 2008

Hi Mark,

I've got a screwed up pituitary gland, probably from too

much head trauma (used to be a crazy man on a dirt bike).

Because of this I also have hypothyroid and adrenal fatigue.

When I first started with Armour and a generic T gel, I wound

up having lots of energy and started working out like crazy.

My back started hurting like I'd been kicked by a mule. This

turned out to be my adrenals complaining about having to

work harder to keep up with the rest of the system.

If it turns out that you have adrenal issues, you may have to

go on a corticosteroid like Hydro Cortisone to help your

adrenals keep up. You may also need some help with your

thyroid.

Here is a good site to find out more about these conditions:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

It would be a good idea to get a thyroid panel done. This would

make any thyroid problems very evident. Adrenal issues wouldn't

show up on any of the regular blood tests, but you can get

a saliva test from canaryclub.org to see what your adrenal

rhythm is. You collect saliva 4 times throughout the day. If

you have adrenal fatigue, the levels will be low.

Since starting on thyroid and testosterone replacement my

quality of life has improved dramatically. That full muscle

feeling is a good thing! Overnight I doubled the amount

of weight I could lift once I started on the shots. Good stuff!

Good luck!

-Mike