Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Hi Jim it's OK and a good idea to keep this off the forum. I feel Dr. Gorden is only asking for Free T because you all ready have Total T 388 he feels like I do Lab-corp sucks I don't and will never use them again. But each town is different here in Mi. they suck. Dr. Gordon is one of the best and I am sure he will be able to tell by your Free T if it's low it can mean it's bound up by high levels of SHBG and this goes up because Estradiol is high. It's good to say to the Dr. oh my Free T is low must be bound up by high Estradiol levels. He will think about this if he's not up on it and look into it. Your can't go wrong seeing him and I am sure he will work with you on things. Co-Moderator Phil > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Seeing Dr. Gordon > > Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 4:57 PM > Phil, > > Sorry for emailing you about this, as I did not want to > include it in the hypogonad forum because Dr. Gordon may be > following the forum. > > I am the guy that is currently active in the hypogonad > forum that had the testicular cancer. I will be seeing Dr. > Gordon in NY soon I hope. I told him my TT is 388 at 49 yrs. > old. He wants me to get a Free T test, and thats it. I know > how you feel about getting the full work up of tests. I read > all the tests you recommend and wish I could get them all > done. I would think that a doctor that is truely in the know > about TRT would run them all. > > He's about my only option right now for TRT if I want to > start feeling better. Do you know if he is really difficult > to deal with for running all the blood tests? He does not > like Lab corp for the Free T test. He says he has not faith > in the test since they started doing it themselves. I read > that E2 should be checked 1 month after the start of TRT. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Jim > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 > > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...> > > Subject: Seeing Dr. Gordon > > > > Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 4:57 PM > > Phil, > > > > Sorry for emailing you about this, as I did not want to > > include it in the hypogonad forum because Dr. Gordon may be > > following the forum. > > > > I am the guy that is currently active in the hypogonad > > forum that had the testicular cancer. I will be seeing Dr. > > Gordon in NY soon I hope. I told him my TT is 388 at 49 yrs. > > old. He wants me to get a Free T test, and thats it. I know > > how you feel about getting the full work up of tests. I read > > all the tests you recommend and wish I could get them all > > done. I would think that a doctor that is truely in the know > > about TRT would run them all. > > > > He's about my only option right now for TRT if I want to > > start feeling better. Do you know if he is really difficult > > to deal with for running all the blood tests? He does not > > like Lab corp for the Free T test. He says he has not faith > > in the test since they started doing it themselves. I read > > that E2 should be checked 1 month after the start of TRT. > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 > > Phil, > > Sorry for emailing you about this, as I did not want to include it in the hypogonad forum because Dr. Gordon may be following the forum. > > I am the guy that is currently active in the hypogonad forum that had the testicular cancer. I will be seeing Dr. Gordon in NY soon I hope. I told him my TT is 388 at 49 yrs. old. He wants me to get a Free T test, and thats it. I know how you feel about getting the full work up of tests. I read all the tests you recommend and wish I could get them all done. I would think that a doctor that is truely in the know about TRT would run them all. > > He's about my only option right now for TRT if I want to start feeling better. Do you know if he is really difficult to deal with for running all the blood tests? He does not like Lab corp for the Free T test. He says he has not faith in the test since they started doing it themselves. I read that E2 should be checked 1 month after the start of TRT. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Jim > Jim, If dr's read these forums MORE POWER TO THEM because hopefully they will start to realize the common pit falls that they have fallen into for some many years. I have numerous people that come to see us on weekly basis that are just feed up with dr's not listening to them. DR O and I are starting to get a reputation that other Dr's come to respect as being one of the many top in the field in HRT. There is no one best dr, but there are good dr's that know how to handle complex cases that go beyond the scope of traditional medicine. Dr O is the MD and I THinker out side of the BOX. The nice part is that I have been on the patient side and no I am sitting on the other side. DR Overbeck has learned a great deal through using my self as lab rat. Everything that any person has been through I have experienced in one form or another. Where do you get 2 heads vs 1 for the same price.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I did a google search for " Dr. Overbeck " . Is this Overbeck in Irving TX? I found posts on MESO RX about him. They seem very positive about his approach. I mean no disrespect to Dr. Gordon. I'm just looking for the best doctor. I believe I have problems with adrenals and or thyroid. No testing has been done yet. I am going to discuss this with my primary doc. I anticipate resistance from him on these matters. If this is the Dr. Overbeck, his office accepts my health insurance. I have to contact his office. Taking a flight there would be well worth it. Thanks for the info. Jim > > > > Phil, > > > > Sorry for emailing you about this, as I did not want to include it in the hypogonad forum because Dr. Gordon may be following the forum. > > > > I am the guy that is currently active in the hypogonad forum that had the testicular cancer. I will be seeing Dr. Gordon in NY soon I hope. I told him my TT is 388 at 49 yrs. old. He wants me to get a Free T test, and thats it. I know how you feel about getting the full work up of tests. I read all the tests you recommend and wish I could get them all done. I would think that a doctor that is truely in the know about TRT would run them all. > > > > He's about my only option right now for TRT if I want to start feeling better. Do you know if he is really difficult to deal with for running all the blood tests? He does not like Lab corp for the Free T test. He says he has not faith in the test since they started doing it themselves. I read that E2 should be checked 1 month after the start of TRT. > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > > > Jim > > > > Jim, > If dr's read these forums MORE POWER TO THEM because hopefully they will start to realize the common pit falls that they have fallen into for some many years. I have numerous people that come to see us on weekly basis that are just feed up with dr's not listening to them. DR O and I are starting to get a reputation that other Dr's come to respect as being one of the many top in the field in HRT. There is no one best dr, but there are good dr's that know how to handle complex cases that go beyond the scope of traditional medicine. Dr O is the MD and I THinker out side of the BOX. The nice part is that I have been on the patient side and no I am sitting on the other side. DR Overbeck has learned a great deal through using my self as lab rat. Everything that any person has been through I have experienced in one form or another. Where do you get 2 heads vs 1 for the same price.. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Well Jim if your Adrenals and Thyroid are in need of treatment you have to men here myself and Hardasnails that have this problem and have been down a long hard road to getting treatment and help for this it took me 23 yrs of my life to find this out and get it fixed. Co-Moderator Phil > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Seeing Dr. Gordon > > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 7:12 AM > I did a google search for " Dr. > Overbeck " . Is this Overbeck in Irving TX? I found posts > on MESO RX about him. They seem very positive about his > approach. I mean no disrespect to Dr. Gordon. I'm just > looking for the best doctor. > > I believe I have problems with adrenals and or thyroid. No > testing has been done yet. I am going to discuss this with > my primary doc. I anticipate resistance from him on these > matters. > > If this is the Dr. Overbeck, his office accepts my health > insurance. I have to contact his office. Taking a flight > there would be well worth it. Thanks for the info. > > Jim > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > Sorry for emailing you about this, as I did not > want to include it in the hypogonad forum because Dr. Gordon > may be following the forum. > > > > > > I am the guy that is currently active in the > hypogonad forum that had the testicular cancer. I will be > seeing Dr. Gordon in NY soon I hope. I told him my TT is 388 > at 49 yrs. old. He wants me to get a Free T test, and thats > it. I know how you feel about getting the full work up of > tests. I read all the tests you recommend and wish I could > get them all done. I would think that a doctor that is > truely in the know about TRT would run them all. > > > > > > He's about my only option right now for TRT if I > want to start feeling better. Do you know if he is really > difficult to deal with for running all the blood tests? He > does not like Lab corp for the Free T test. He says he has > not faith in the test since they started doing it > themselves. I read that E2 should be checked 1 month after > the start of TRT. > > > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > Jim, > > If dr's read these forums MORE POWER TO THEM because > hopefully they will start to realize the common pit falls > that they have fallen into for some many years. I have > numerous people that come to see us on weekly basis that are > just feed up with dr's not listening to them. DR O and > I are starting to get a reputation that other Dr's come to > respect as being one of the many top in the field in HRT. > There is no one best dr, but there are good dr's that know > how to handle complex cases that go beyond the scope of > traditional medicine. Dr O is the MD and I THinker out side > of the BOX. The nice part is that I have been on the > patient side and no I am sitting on the other side. DR > Overbeck has learned a great deal through using my self as > lab rat. Everything that any person has been through I > have experienced in one form or another. Where do you > get 2 heads vs 1 for the same price.. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 hardasnails1973, What TSH value would you consider low thyroid? My TSH 3rd generation from quest is 2.77mIU/L range[0.40-4.50]. My Cortisol A.M. is 8.0mcg/DL range[4.0-22.0]. What city in the Northeast are you located? Thanks in advance for your help ---------<snip>----------- > First thing I would be concerned with is low thyroid and low adrenals because i have been to 4 peoples funerals all dying of cancer and all had low thyroid function. there is a heavy connection between low thyroid and cancer due to the fact that it effects the mechanism that prevents cancer from occuring in the first place. Dr Gordon is good, but like shippen he is old school and not up to par with the change of the times. He may help you with testosterone but he will not address other important issues as well. I have watch several hours of him lecturing and like shippen its TESTOSTERONE is the cure all. Maybe 20 years ago, but times have changed and we are the new breed of Dr's that look at the cause and effect relationship vs symptoms. > I also be concerned with TRT and its metabolites when you already have altered genes in the first place. Given testosterone in your case may be making you feel better in the short run, but in long run may be putting you in the grave sooner. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Well until Hard replys your cortisol levels are dam low before you can worry about your Thyroid you need to address this problem first. I would hook up with Hard if your Dr. seen this and said your in range most Dr.'s only look for 's or Cushings below normal or above it. Your dam low as low as I was when I first tested. Co-Moderator Phil > From: mqsymth <alphadennis@...> > Subject: Re: Seeing Dr. Gordon > > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 11:58 AM > hardasnails1973, > > What TSH value would you consider low thyroid? My TSH 3rd > generation from quest is 2.77mIU/L range[0.40-4.50]. My > Cortisol A.M. is 8.0mcg/DL range[4.0-22.0]. > > What city in the Northeast are you located? > > Thanks in advance for your help > > > > ---------<snip>----------- > > > First thing I would be concerned with is low thyroid > and low adrenals because i have been to 4 peoples funerals > all dying of cancer and all had low thyroid function. > there is a heavy connection between low thyroid and cancer > due to the fact that it effects the mechanism that prevents > cancer from occuring in the first place. Dr Gordon is > good, but like shippen he is old school and not up to par > with the change of the times. He may help you with > testosterone but he will not address other important issues > as well. I have watch several hours of him lecturing > and like shippen its TESTOSTERONE is the cure all. > Maybe 20 years ago, but times have changed and we are the > new breed of Dr's that look at the cause and effect > relationship vs symptoms. > > I also be concerned with TRT and its metabolites when > you already have altered genes in the first place. Given > testosterone in your case may be making you feel better in > the short run, but in long run may be putting you in the > grave sooner. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I have just started to check my body temps. A lot more reading I must do. I seem to run about 97.5 +/-.3 .I experience hypoglycemia if not very careful. These 2 things in preliminary reading suggest adrenal issues. My remaining testicle (testicular cancer) is roughly 1/2 the size it was 2 years ago. This leads me to believe there are other hormonal problems than just testosterone. I have recently started getting panic attacks. I don't know what's going on but it's not good. I'm reaching the despiration point. I feel like I want to cry sometimes. I have an appt. with a new uro 9/25 for yearly follow-up for the TC. I'll probably almost beg him to run blood tests. I've found postings elsewhere about Dr. Overbeck that sound like listens and takes action when necessary. ounds like he's openminded. > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > > > Sorry for emailing you about this, as I did not > > want to include it in the hypogonad forum because Dr. Gordon > > may be following the forum. > > > > > > > > I am the guy that is currently active in the > > hypogonad forum that had the testicular cancer. I will be > > seeing Dr. Gordon in NY soon I hope. I told him my TT is 388 > > at 49 yrs. old. He wants me to get a Free T test, and thats > > it. I know how you feel about getting the full work up of > > tests. I read all the tests you recommend and wish I could > > get them all done. I would think that a doctor that is > > truely in the know about TRT would run them all. > > > > > > > > He's about my only option right now for TRT if I > > want to start feeling better. Do you know if he is really > > difficult to deal with for running all the blood tests? He > > does not like Lab corp for the Free T test. He says he has > > not faith in the test since they started doing it > > themselves. I read that E2 should be checked 1 month after > > the start of TRT. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > If dr's read these forums MORE POWER TO THEM because > > hopefully they will start to realize the common pit falls > > that they have fallen into for some many years. I have > > numerous people that come to see us on weekly basis that are > > just feed up with dr's not listening to them. DR O and > > I are starting to get a reputation that other Dr's come to > > respect as being one of the many top in the field in HRT. > > There is no one best dr, but there are good dr's that know > > how to handle complex cases that go beyond the scope of > > traditional medicine. Dr O is the MD and I THinker out side > > of the BOX. The nice part is that I have been on the > > patient side and no I am sitting on the other side. DR > > Overbeck has learned a great deal through using my self as > > lab rat. Everything that any person has been through I > > have experienced in one form or another. Where do you > > get 2 heads vs 1 for the same price.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I know how you feel have you read my story here is a link. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239 Your Testosterone needs to be treated by finding out why your low men with one testis do great all there life. But when it gets smaller it means it's not working right and this might be why your low on T it's called Primary one way to tell is to test Total T and LH with FSH if they come back high it means your brain is asking from more testosterone and your testy can't make it. As for you feeling this way it may well be your low Cortisol levels and Estradiol levels to Testosterone levels. The way to fix this is to treat both and if your Estradiol levels come back to high treat this also. I take Cortef for my low Cortisol levels I need a higher dose them most the avg. does is 20 mgs 5mgs every 4 hrs or 4x's a day. Here are some links if I did not give them to you I post to so many I can't keep track. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=256 This following link is the best of Dr. Jefferies book " Safe Uses of Cortisol " he is the God Father of Cortisol and it's treatment. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/safe-uses Co-Moderator Phil > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Seeing Dr. Gordon > > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 12:33 PM > I have just started to check my body > temps. A lot more reading I must do. I seem to run about > 97.5 +/-.3 .I experience hypoglycemia if not very careful. > These 2 things in preliminary reading suggest adrenal > issues. > > My remaining testicle (testicular cancer) is roughly 1/2 > the size it was 2 years ago. This leads me to believe there > are other hormonal problems than just testosterone. I have > recently started getting panic attacks. I don't know what's > going on but it's not good. I'm reaching the despiration > point. I feel like I want to cry sometimes. > > I have an appt. with a new uro 9/25 for yearly follow-up > for the TC. I'll probably almost beg him to run blood tests. > I've found postings elsewhere about Dr. Overbeck that sound > like listens and takes action when necessary. ounds like > he's openminded. > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for emailing you about this, as I > did not > > > want to include it in the hypogonad forum because > Dr. Gordon > > > may be following the forum. > > > > > > > > > > I am the guy that is currently active > in the > > > hypogonad forum that had the testicular cancer. I > will be > > > seeing Dr. Gordon in NY soon I hope. I told him > my TT is 388 > > > at 49 yrs. old. He wants me to get a Free T test, > and thats > > > it. I know how you feel about getting the full > work up of > > > tests. I read all the tests you recommend and > wish I could > > > get them all done. I would think that a doctor > that is > > > truely in the know about TRT would run them all. > > > > > > > > > > He's about my only option right now for > TRT if I > > > want to start feeling better. Do you know if he > is really > > > difficult to deal with for running all the blood > tests? He > > > does not like Lab corp for the Free T test. He > says he has > > > not faith in the test since they started doing > it > > > themselves. I read that E2 should be checked 1 > month after > > > the start of TRT. > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > If dr's read these forums MORE POWER TO THEM > because > > > hopefully they will start to realize the common > pit falls > > > that they have fallen into for some many years. I > have > > > numerous people that come to see us on weekly > basis that are > > > just feed up with dr's not listening to them. > DR O and > > > I are starting to get a reputation that other > Dr's come to > > > respect as being one of the many top in the field > in HRT. > > > There is no one best dr, but there are good dr's > that know > > > how to handle complex cases that go beyond the > scope of > > > traditional medicine. Dr O is the MD and I > THinker out side > > > of the BOX. The nice part is that I have been > on the > > > patient side and no I am sitting on the other > side. DR > > > Overbeck has learned a great deal through using > my self as > > > lab rat. Everything that any person has been > through I > > > have experienced in one form or another. Where > do you > > > get 2 heads vs 1 for the same price.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Jim, Contact me at hardasnails1973@... Once your insurance is cleared I be glad to schedule you in and get the proper testing done to get your started. Looking forward to looking to working with you. This is DR O and my own forums AdrenalandThyroidhelpers/ In , " virtuosa150 " <virtuosa150@...> wrote: > > I have just started to check my body temps. A lot more reading I must do. I seem to run about 97.5 +/-.3 .I experience hypoglycemia if not very careful. These 2 things in preliminary reading suggest adrenal issues. > > My remaining testicle (testicular cancer) is roughly 1/2 the size it was 2 years ago. This leads me to believe there are other hormonal problems than just testosterone. I have recently started getting panic attacks. I don't know what's going on but it's not good. I'm reaching the despiration point. I feel like I want to cry sometimes. > > I have an appt. with a new uro 9/25 for yearly follow-up for the TC. I'll probably almost beg him to run blood tests. I've found postings elsewhere about Dr. Overbeck that sound like listens and takes action when necessary. ounds like he's openminded. > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for emailing you about this, as I did not > > > want to include it in the hypogonad forum because Dr. Gordon > > > may be following the forum. > > > > > > > > > > I am the guy that is currently active in the > > > hypogonad forum that had the testicular cancer. I will be > > > seeing Dr. Gordon in NY soon I hope. I told him my TT is 388 > > > at 49 yrs. old. He wants me to get a Free T test, and thats > > > it. I know how you feel about getting the full work up of > > > tests. I read all the tests you recommend and wish I could > > > get them all done. I would think that a doctor that is > > > truely in the know about TRT would run them all. > > > > > > > > > > He's about my only option right now for TRT if I > > > want to start feeling better. Do you know if he is really > > > difficult to deal with for running all the blood tests? He > > > does not like Lab corp for the Free T test. He says he has > > > not faith in the test since they started doing it > > > themselves. I read that E2 should be checked 1 month after > > > the start of TRT. > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > If dr's read these forums MORE POWER TO THEM because > > > hopefully they will start to realize the common pit falls > > > that they have fallen into for some many years. I have > > > numerous people that come to see us on weekly basis that are > > > just feed up with dr's not listening to them. DR O and > > > I are starting to get a reputation that other Dr's come to > > > respect as being one of the many top in the field in HRT. > > > There is no one best dr, but there are good dr's that know > > > how to handle complex cases that go beyond the scope of > > > traditional medicine. Dr O is the MD and I THinker out side > > > of the BOX. The nice part is that I have been on the > > > patient side and no I am sitting on the other side. DR > > > Overbeck has learned a great deal through using my self as > > > lab rat. Everything that any person has been through I > > > have experienced in one form or another. Where do you > > > get 2 heads vs 1 for the same price.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Cortisol <16-17 TSH >1.5 Located out side philadelphia PA Contact info is hardasnails1973@... We accept many PPO plans > > ---------<snip>----------- > > > First thing I would be concerned with is low thyroid and low adrenals because i have been to 4 peoples funerals all dying of cancer and all had low thyroid function. there is a heavy connection between low thyroid and cancer due to the fact that it effects the mechanism that prevents cancer from occuring in the first place. Dr Gordon is good, but like shippen he is old school and not up to par with the change of the times. He may help you with testosterone but he will not address other important issues as well. I have watch several hours of him lecturing and like shippen its TESTOSTERONE is the cure all. Maybe 20 years ago, but times have changed and we are the new breed of Dr's that look at the cause and effect relationship vs symptoms. > > I also be concerned with TRT and its metabolites when you already have altered genes in the first place. Given testosterone in your case may be making you feel better in the short run, but in long run may be putting you in the grave sooner. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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