Re: Low E2, High Total E, Feel Terrible!

[Guest guest]

If your dr is measuring total estrogen in the first place he is not a good Dr.

That test is a female test not a male test. When dealing with propscecia issues

one needs to really lower e2 to about 15-20 because of the potential damage that

was cause by the drug at the estrodial receptors sites. If you are still

feeling like crap one needs to look at the adrenal, thyroid hormones to make

sure you are utlizing your testoterone efficienctly. One also has to look at

sleep hygiene, daily stress, nutrient balances, and other stress factors from

biological to environmental inorder to get an over all spectrum of what is going

on. When dealing with issues one can not tell all in a simple paragraph when I

am sure there are much deeper issues at hand. Please list your testing results

so we can comment on them. I like to see the results so we can see what we are

dealing with. Even if testosterone is mid range and bio T is good then you need

to look to other factors instead of your testosterone levels.

>

> Hi everyone. Been awhile since I last posted. I'm taking CG and Arimidex.

E2 is under control. T is mid-range, which isn't great I'm sure but better than

it was before initiating my current protocol. Total E is ridiculously high

(I'll post numbers once I've found my lab results - just moved recently).

>

> I feel TERRIBLE.

>

> I think I'm going to stop CG for now until I find a way to control total E.

Problem is, I've no idea how to do this. Can anyone point me in the right

direction?

>

> I should note that my total E is also high off treatment as well.

>

> Of course, I've read and heard that E2 is the major culprit, but based on my

experiences, I don't believe that's the case with me. I really feel total E is

my most significant problem, and unfortunately I don't know how to control this.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> TE

>

[Guest guest]

One question do you have night time and morning wood is your libido up. If not

it's not your HCG but your Estradiol and the only test I know that is good for

measuring all the E's is a 24 urine test but men don't feel this bad do to high

levels if you have them of Total E's. What are your SHBG levels if low you need

your Estradiol levels lower or your levels are to low. Tell me more about how

your feeling and what your numbers are.

If your on HCG only they you don't want to stop taking this unless you want to

see if your Testosterone levels will hold on there own. If not you might do

better adding in Testosterone.

I have a copy of a post I did on how to not go to low on Arimidex here is a cut

and paste. If your to low you can't get it up taking Viagra.

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What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: propeciasideeffects <PropeciaSideEffects@...>

> Subject: Low E2, High Total E, Feel Terrible!

>

> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:32 AM

> Hi everyone.  Been awhile since

> I last posted.  I'm taking CG and Arimidex.  E2 is

> under control.  T is mid-range, which isn't great I'm

> sure but better than it was before initiating my current

> protocol.  Total E is ridiculously high (I'll post

> numbers once I've found my lab results - just moved

> recently). 

>

> I feel TERRIBLE. 

>

> I think I'm going to stop CG for now until I find a way to

> control total E.  Problem is, I've no idea how to do

> this.  Can anyone point me in the right

> direction? 

>

> I should note that my total E is also high off treatment as

> well. 

>

> Of course, I've read and heard that E2 is the major

> culprit, but based on my experiences, I don't believe that's

> the case with me.  I really feel total E is my most

> significant problem, and unfortunately I don't know how to

> control this.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> TE

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:32:52 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi everyone. Been awhile since I last posted. I'm taking CG and Arimidex. E2

is under control. T is mid-range, which isn't great I'm sure but better than it

was before initiating my current protocol. Total E is ridiculously high (I'll

post numbers once I've found my lab results - just moved recently).

>

>I feel TERRIBLE.

>

>I think I'm going to stop CG for now until I find a way to control total E.

Problem is, I've no idea how to do this. Can anyone point me in the right

direction?

>

>I should note that my total E is also high off treatment as well.

>

>Of course, I've read and heard that E2 is the major culprit, but based on my

experiences, I don't believe that's the case with me. I really feel total E is

my most significant problem, and unfortunately I don't know how to control this.

>

>Thanks in advance!

>

>TE

You may be right about total E. However when you say E2 is in control

what do you mean? When you drive it too low - you also end up feeling

like crap, even worse than when it's too high..

Have you had reliable E2 tests of late?