Re: Blood test: important question

[Guest guest]

Doing high dose shots like this is not good and doing them every 2 weeks it very

old. It puts you on a roller coaster ride up after the shot then only to fall

way back down by the next one. Also doing this big shot will drive up your

Estradiol E2 levels this takes away from anygood the Testostreone shots are

doing. In the AACE Guildlines it states on page 11 to do shots every 7 to 10

days. Most of use do shots our selfs 100 mgs a week to start. Try to get your

Dr. to let you do this and retest in 8 weeks. If you levels are not up into the

upper 1/3 of your labs range doing a blood test on the day of your next shot but

before it up the dose to 125 mgs and hold 8 more weeks. Keep track of your

Estradiol if it goes above 73 pmol/L then you will need some thing to keep it

down here is the USA we use Arimidex .25mgs or 1/4 of a one mg. pill every 2 to

3 days.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Ag\

ing-Male_01.htm

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

Also go to Dr. Crisler - www.AllThingsMale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for

Success and his HCG update he puts this out there free for us and your Dr. he is

one of the best hormone Dr.'s in the world he treats more men then any Dr. out

there.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> Subject: Blood test: important question

>

> Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 2:39 PM

> Hi all,

>

> I'm on T for 4 months now. I'm hypogonadal with an obvious

> delayed puberty (lack of facial hair, pale face, fatigue,

> very young apperance...).

>

> When i started my treatment, i had one IM 250mg / 4weeks. I

> checked my testosterone level: 4ng.

>

> Then, i have now one IM / 2weeks. I checked my T-Level 9

> days after the shot, my T-Level is 6.5.

>

> My natural T level is 6.4ng and the labtoraty range is : 9

> to 32.5.

>

> I'm wondering whay my T level is the same as before

> treatment.

>

> Is enhantate injection supposed to increase plasma T or

> " normal T " or both?

>

> The blood test i had today was " normal T " .

>

>

>

> Thank you very much.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, because of rain. A lot of flash floods around here

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Blood test: important question

>

> Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 2:39 PM

> Hi all,

>

> I'm on T for 4 months now. I'm hypogonadal with an obvious

> delayed puberty (lack of facial hair, pale face, fatigue,

> very young apperance...).

>

> When i started my treatment, i had one IM 250mg / 4weeks. I

> checked my testosterone level: 4ng.

>

> Then, i have now one IM / 2weeks. I checked my T-Level 9

> days after the shot, my T-Level is 6.5.

>

> My natural T level is 6.4ng and the labtoraty range is : 9

> to 32.5.

>

> I'm wondering whay my T level is the same as before

> treatment.

>

> Is enhantate injection supposed to increase plasma T or

> " normal T " or both?

>

> The blood test i had today was " normal T " .

>

>

>

> Thank you very much.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I heard about this on the news but what do you mean by yes as to this thread. Is

every thing ok on your side.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: tinibou@...

> <tinibou@...>

> > Subject: Blood test: important

> question

> >

> > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 2:39 PM

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I'm on T for 4 months now. I'm hypogonadal with an

> obvious

> > delayed puberty (lack of facial hair, pale face,

> fatigue,

> > very young apperance...).

> >

> > When i started my treatment, i had one IM 250mg /

> 4weeks. I

> > checked my testosterone level: 4ng.

> >

> > Then, i have now one IM / 2weeks. I checked my T-Level

> 9

> > days after the shot, my T-Level is 6.5.

> >

> > My natural T level is 6.4ng and the labtoraty range is

> : 9

> > to 32.5.

> >

> > I'm wondering whay my T level is the same as before

> > treatment.

> >

> > Is enhantate injection supposed to increase plasma T

> or

> > " normal T " or both?

> >

> > The blood test i had today was " normal T " .

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you very much.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My apologies, replied to wrong email

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

Blood test: important

> question

> >

> > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 2:39 PM

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I'm on T for 4 months now. I'm hypogonadal with an

> obvious

> > delayed puberty (lack of facial hair, pale face,

> fatigue,

> > very young apperance...).

> >

> > When i started my treatment, i had one IM 250mg /

> 4weeks. I

> > checked my testosterone level: 4ng.

> >

> > Then, i have now one IM / 2weeks. I checked my T-Level

> 9

> > days after the shot, my T-Level is 6.5.

> >

> > My natural T level is 6.4ng and the labtoraty range is

> : 9

> > to 32.5.

> >

> > I'm wondering whay my T level is the same as before

> > treatment.

> >

> > Is enhantate injection supposed to increase plasma T

> or

> > " normal T " or both?

> >

> > The blood test i had today was " normal T " .

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you very much.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> > From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> > Subject: Blood test: important question

> >

> > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 2:39 PM

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I'm on T for 4 months now. I'm hypogonadal with an obvious

> > delayed puberty (lack of facial hair, pale face, fatigue,

> > very young apperance...).

> >

> > When i started my treatment, i had one IM 250mg / 4weeks. I

> > checked my testosterone level: 4ng.

> >

> > Then, i have now one IM / 2weeks. I checked my T-Level 9

> > days after the shot, my T-Level is 6.5.

> >

> > My natural T level is 6.4ng and the labtoraty range is : 9

> > to 32.5.

> >

> > I'm wondering whay my T level is the same as before

> > treatment.

> >

> > Is enhantate injection supposed to increase plasma T or

> > " normal T " or both?

> >

> > The blood test i had today was " normal T " .

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you very much.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You would do better on Androgel, most of the men I have talked to in the UK

doing Sustanon 100 or 250

" Sustanon " is the brand name for two formulas of injectable testosterone that

contain a blend of esters. " Sustanon 100 " contains three testosterone esters:

testosterone propionate (C22H32O3), testosterone phenylpropionate (C28H36O3),

and testosterone isocaproate (C25H3803). " Sustanon 250 " contains four

testosterone esters: testosterone propionate (C22H32O3), testosterone

phenylpropionate (C28H36O3), testosterone isocaproate (C25H3803), and

testosterone decanoate (C29H4603). Both formulas feature both fast-acting and

slow-acting esters, and can be injected anywhere from once every week to once

every four weeks. Sustanon is prescribed outside of the United States.

Did much better on the gels the Dr. will start you at 5 grams so retest in 2

weeks to be sure it's working. Most do 10 grams.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> Subject: Re: Blood test: important question

>

> Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 5:23 PM

>

> >

> > > From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> > > Subject: Blood test: important

> question

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 2:39 PM

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > I'm on T for 4 months now. I'm hypogonadal with

> an obvious

> > > delayed puberty (lack of facial hair, pale face,

> fatigue,

> > > very young apperance...).

> > >

> > > When i started my treatment, i had one IM 250mg /

> 4weeks. I

> > > checked my testosterone level: 4ng.

> > >

> > > Then, i have now one IM / 2weeks. I checked my

> T-Level 9

> > > days after the shot, my T-Level is 6.5.

> > >

> > > My natural T level is 6.4ng and the labtoraty

> range is : 9

> > > to 32.5.

> > >

> > > I'm wondering whay my T level is the same as

> before

> > > treatment.

> > >

> > > Is enhantate injection supposed to increase

> plasma T or

> > > " normal T " or both?

> > >

> > > The blood test i had today was " normal T " .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thank you very much.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > > From: tinibou@ <tinibou@>

> > > > Subject: Blood test: important

> > question

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 2:39 PM

> > > > Hi all,

> > > >

> > > > I'm on T for 4 months now. I'm hypogonadal with

> > an obvious

> > > > delayed puberty (lack of facial hair, pale face,

> > fatigue,

> > > > very young apperance...).

> > > >

> > > > When i started my treatment, i had one IM 250mg /

> > 4weeks. I

> > > > checked my testosterone level: 4ng.

> > > >

> > > > Then, i have now one IM / 2weeks. I checked my

> > T-Level 9

> > > > days after the shot, my T-Level is 6.5.

> > > >

> > > > My natural T level is 6.4ng and the labtoraty

> > range is : 9

> > > > to 32.5.

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering whay my T level is the same as

> > before

> > > > treatment.

> > > >

> > > > Is enhantate injection supposed to increase

> > plasma T or

> > > > " normal T " or both?

> > > >

> > > > The blood test i had today was " normal T " .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I am not on Gels anymore I have a thyroid problem and this makes my skin thicker

and the gels don't get through my skin enough to give me high enough levels.

But I can say that seeing how you did not the shot you need a higher dose of

Androgel I would start at 7.5 grams or 10 get the pump kind if you can. Take a

good shower in the morning and after your done shaving and good and dry. Put

the gel half the dose on your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach. Spread it around good but don't rub it in let it dry from

wet.

Then do the other side keep a T shirt on around kids and women so the gel does

not get on them. When you go the bed and have sex take a shower to wash off the

gel this will not lower your levels after it's on over 6 hrs. If you shower the

night before you don't need to shower again in the morning just put the gel on.

Doing gels keeps your levels up like your body does your higher in the morning

lower by bed time. This is close to what your normal body would do.

Can you see how I posted at the top of this tread please post this way posting

at the bottom people with hand held phones with web service can't read your

reply.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> Subject: Re: Blood test: important question

>

> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 6:33 AM

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: tinibou@ <tinibou@>

> > > > > Subject: Blood test:

> important

> > > question

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 2:39

> PM

> > > > > Hi all,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm on T for 4 months now. I'm

> hypogonadal with

> > > an obvious

> > > > > delayed puberty (lack of facial hair,

> pale face,

> > > fatigue,

> > > > > very young apperance...).

> > > > >

> > > > > When i started my treatment, i had one

> IM 250mg /

> > > 4weeks. I

> > > > > checked my testosterone level: 4ng.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then, i have now one IM / 2weeks. I

> checked my

> > > T-Level 9

> > > > > days after the shot, my T-Level is

> 6.5.

> > > > >

> > > > > My natural T level is 6.4ng and the

> labtoraty

> > > range is : 9

> > > > > to 32.5.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm wondering whay my T level is the

> same as

> > > before

> > > > > treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is enhantate injection supposed to

> increase

> > > plasma T or

> > > > > " normal T " or both?

> > > > >

> > > > > The blood test i had today was " normal

> T " .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you very much.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thank you Phil for your precious advices.

I dont understand why some people need 250mg IM / 3 weeks, others one IM /

2weeks.

I mean, enanthate is supposed to last in the blood 3 weeks (according to

different doctor). It's absolutely fasle!! check out my T blood test.

I'm going to ask for another treatment.

Last qustion:

What treatment would you recommend for a man with an obvious puberty? In my

opinion, i dont need to reach the higher level, i just want to be in mid-range

everyday. In order to complete my puberty (i'm 28).

I'm a little bit scared of high T level, i think it's a little bit dangerous.

Just want to be normal, feel normal, so be in the normal dosage and level!

That's all i want, the " mid-range " but permanent.

Thank you again and again.

[Guest guest]

That kind of shot is 3 different kinds of Testosterone and it just does not work

all that great why Dr.'s do this I can't say. They start men on them some do OK

others end up like you not going up on there levels.

I under stand your concern about high levels of testosterone but going on gels

your not going to be to high and when your on them don't use the gel the morning

your going to do labs if you do your levels can spike way up this happens

because after you put on the gel some of it can get on the needle the take your

blood with for labs and spike up your labs so shower do labs then put on gel.

High levels of testosterone over the top of your labs range are not good it can

stress your adrenals giving you low Cortisol levels over time and can make your

blood to think so just try to keep your levels up into the upper 1/3 of your

labs range and test your Estradiol levels them shots you are on dive this up to

high you need to keep your Estradiol at about 73 pmol/L or 20 pg/ml.

I feel you will do good on Andorgel you can start at the lower dose 5 grams but

if you do test in 2 weeks so you know it's enough your levels can go down lower

then you started. Your brain sees the Testosterone in your blood and stops

telling your Testis to make more. So when you first go on this dose it can make

your levels go up in the first week and you feel dam good then your brain sees

this and you lose you base levels and all your left with is what the gel is

doing so you fall back and feel bad again. Some men fall back lower then they

started so test in 2 weeks and if your not up in the upper 1/3 of your labs

range go higher on the dose.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> Subject: Re: Blood test: important question

>

> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 12:12 PM

> Thank you Phil for your precious

> advices.

>

> I dont understand why some people need 250mg IM / 3 weeks,

> others one IM / 2weeks.

> I mean, enanthate is supposed to last in the blood 3 weeks

> (according to different doctor). It's absolutely fasle!!

> check out my T blood test.

>

> I'm going to ask for another treatment.

>

> Last qustion:

> What treatment would you recommend for a man with an

> obvious puberty? In my opinion, i dont need to reach the

> higher level, i just want to be in mid-range everyday. In

> order to complete my puberty (i'm 28).

>

> I'm a little bit scared of high T level, i think it's a

> little bit dangerous. Just want to be normal, feel normal,

> so be in the normal dosage and level!

> That's all i want, the " mid-range " but permanent.

>

>

> Thank you again and again.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK phil, thank you so much.

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:33:04 -0000, you wrote:

>Thank you very much Phil!

>I'm going to ask an androgel prescription.

>

>I do wonder why doctor presribe such stupid injection dosage. If enhantate

testo injection last 7 days, why do they prescribe one IM every 2 or 3 weeks????

>I have BIG UP and DOWN!!

>

>What is you dosage and frequency?

ANdrogel is very expensive - though I imagine covered for free if you

are in Europe. Many of us find it stops working over time. The T leads

the application area to grow hair and the skin thickens and absorbtion

drops. Most of us do weekly injections of cypionante or enanthate -

both of which are also very cheap.

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:12:57 -0000, you wrote:

>What treatment would you recommend for a man with an obvious puberty? In my

opinion, i dont need to reach the higher level, i just want to be in mid-range

everyday. In order to complete my puberty (i'm 28).

Most of us do 100mg weekly as a starting point and adjust from there

for higher or lower effect.

[Guest guest]

I live in france and the national insurance pay for it (on the basis that you're

hypogonodal, not for sport performance!).

Thanks to all your informations, i will ask for androgel or weekly injection (if

my doc can find a product).

By the way, do you know which one is the best to speed up a delayed puberty

problem? I mean, enanthate is a mix of 3 different T. Is there a treatment which

is more efficient for second sexual caracteristic? (like facial hair, skin, face

shape..).

Thank you.

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:18:48 -0000, you wrote:

>

>I live in france and the national insurance pay for it (on the basis that

you're hypogonodal, not for sport performance!).

>

>Thanks to all your informations, i will ask for androgel or weekly injection

(if my doc can find a product).

>

>By the way, do you know which one is the best to speed up a delayed puberty

problem? I mean, enanthate is a mix of 3 different T. Is there a treatment which

is more efficient for second sexual caracteristic? (like facial hair, skin, face

shape..).

>

>Thank you.

You might look over this:

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf