Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:53:53 -0000, you wrote: > >> >> I have been just diagnosed with Hypogonadism. I hope someone can >> share their experiences with me. Its been long tough battle and I >> wish I had discoverd this earlier. Now ive lost my girlfriend. she >> has fought and argued with me cause i had no drive nor intimacy with >> her the past year. I have tried to explain it to her now but its a >> little too late and she doesnt trust me in getting back to her. She >> does know now I have this but she tells me she has been very hurt for >> what Ive done to her. I will be starting treatment soon. Have any >> of you experienced this? Now its a little too late. And my >> behavior has not been what my heart really feels about her. This >> medical condition has surely ruined my relationship with her. I am >> very saddened by this. I am finally coming to grips to what this >> problem is and realized ive lost her. >> > >Surely if she can't stand by you at a time like this, you're better >off without her? This is a long so debilitating illness. And lots of it's symptoms look like lack of will, and lack of affection. After a few years of that its understandable an exhaustion point is reached. I say get well and then get her back or try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 My first test my T was at 133. my second test was at 223. I know both are considered abnormaly low. From start of treatment do you know how long before I start seeing results? I really need her back and I think I can if she can see changes starting to happen. Yes I also have sleep apnea but I am curently treating that as well. I am on the cpap machine so i feel much better with that. Just that alone has dropped my blood pressure to normal. its been abnormally high for a long long time. and i couldnt understand why. just very anxious to see what the effects are. I understand that changes can be almost immediate? anyone know? also any suggestions as to how to approach her to get her back? anxiously awaiting to be cured.... From: Tom <indianawannabe04@...> Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:44 PM Mike, I am terriblly sorry that this has happened to you. But, each of us has to start from somewhere, and you are where you are. Girlfriend or not, what about you? You have started to save yourself, but as you have been reading, it can be a long road. When I got my diagnosis, my T was 129, and that's not good. You may get in the first couple of months a big boost of memory, strength, libido, aggression, and even red blood cells. Most of us have learned that this is a long term challenge and we must learn about laboratory values, managing estradiol as well as T, and some of us discover that we have other afflictions along with low T. My second problem was sleep apnea, and it is important to get both diagnoses right, and early. This group is very supportive, and when we wish you the best of luck we do not mean " go away " we mean like us, get what you can from the site. Tom > > I have been just diagnosed with Hypogonadism. I hope someone can > share their experiences with me. Its been long tough battle and I > wish I had discoverd this earlier. Now ive lost my girlfriend. she > has fought and argued with me cause i had no drive nor intimacy with > her the past year. I have tried to explain it to her now but its a > little too late and she doesnt trust me in getting back to her. She > does know now I have this but she tells me she has been very hurt for > what Ive done to her. I will be starting treatment soon. Have any > of you experienced this? Now its a little too late. And my > behavior has not been what my heart really feels about her. This > medical condition has surely ruined my relationship with her. I am > very saddened by this. I am finally coming to grips to what this > problem is and realized ive lost her. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Dam good post and Mike you should put all your energy into helping your self. Start by going to the files section and reading Dr. marianco file called marianco7 zip it's full of replays to guys like use about your problems. As for how long does it take to get back to your old self it's not the same for each of us we are all different. Your best bet is to get your Total and Free Testosterone up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range and to keep your Estradiol down between 10 to 30 best at 20 pg/ml. As for the women you feel you lost have you heart the story about the Cat crossing the railroad tracks the train cut a piece of his tale off he turned to see what happened and lost his head. So please don't lose your head over a piece of tail. You need to let this go and work on your self when things get better for you and you still feel this way fine. But for now the more you go after her the more she is going to reject you and your going to lose your head. Most men once they get there levels up then there body will start to undo the damage done by low testosterone and you will feel better a little each day. For some this can take a good year. You need to remove all the stress in your life or this is going to take forever. Co-Moderator Phil > From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@...> > Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... > > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:30 PM > Hey Mike, > > I hope you are getting the treatment you need for your low > Testosterone levels. You're right about 133 & 233 > ng/dL being very > low amounts of T. Phil & others can help you fine tune > the best > method of treatment, as well as helping you find out why > your levels > are low. This may not be the cause of it for you, but my > testosterone > levels are low when I have minimal sleep- going near > hypogonadal > levels (below 300-350 ng/dL) from 4 hours of sleep on a > given night. > > Everyone here has had their relationships affected by this > condition. > Some have avoided future relationships, lost a wife or > girlfriend, or > had their relationships tested severely. The " good > news " (if it can > be considered good news) is now you will have some > self-exploration to > do, figuring out how to improve your health & mental > outlook when > nature might not seem to help you much. You may find the > need to > develop new mental strategies to handle depression, > anxiety, > loneliness, etc., & you will find these will strengthen > you even more > when you restore your testosterone to where it should be. > > The others have mentioned the depression, lack of > motivation, & > similar problems that occur alongside ( & because of) > low testosterone. > Additionally, I can vouch from experience about the > ANXIETY that also > accompanies low testosterone. I've had insomnia for > almost a decade, > & when sleep quality is extremely poor, testosterone > levels are low, & > anxiety is very high. Sometimes I wouldn't leave my > house. This > coming from a man who had a reputation for being very > outgoing & sociable. > > We are more than our hormones, but we not less than them- > we are not > utterly unaffected mentally/psychologically/behaviorally. > In fact, > that's one thing my endocrinologist Dr. no pointed > out (he's a > psychiatrist, immunologist, & neuroendocrinologist): > behavior tends to > be the first thing effected by neuroendocrinological > changes > (neurotransmitters & hormones). Hormones affect > neurotransmitters & > vice versa, meaning that you can/will *think/feel* > differently when > your levels change. Low levels of testosterone ( & /or > other hormones) > can cause separation anxiety/ fear of being alone- a > finding that has > been echoed with incidences of separation anxiety & > neutered dogs, as > well as women undergoing menopause. I've watched > strong, independent > individuals like my mom become very fearful of being alone > from low > progesterone. > > Though you *feel* like you need your girlfriend, you may > not need her. > Besides the memories & pleasant experiences you've > shared, it's also > the ANXIETY that wants to hold on to someone/something. > Take care of one thing at a time. Take care of your low > testosterone > & whatever other endocrine issues there may be *before* > trying to fix > other things. If you had a supportive girlfriend/wife, it > would > definitely help during this time, but the fact is your last > girlfriend > showed that she feels some " final straw " has been > crossed. > Maybe, after you feel better, you will have the stability > of mind such > that if that relationship can be repaired, you will be able > to > maintain it. But if you were to have her again at this > time, know > that it will be a bumpy road. If you aren't feeling > well yet, the > relationship might be bumpy enough that she might back out > again. > > Plus, when you start to feel better, you'll realize > that you deserve > respect & can handle a new relationship with anyone you > choose. It > may be hard to think about this now- especially in light of > how you > feel & if you considered marrying this woman- but you > will be a > stronger person when you pull ahead on the other side of > this crisis. > > ~Xian > > > > Now ive lost my girlfriend. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 As of late she has reconnected in talking to her old boyfriend again. Before me that is. I 'see' how she talks to him and how they talk on the phone in front of me. So is why I am even more depressed and anxious to get this treatment started. It absolutely kills my heart and soul when i see them talking. So I dont know if she is trying to move on and its sorta like a slap on the face for what i did to her. But yes I know where you are coming from that I need to focus on getting better. I just wish she would stay with me thru this treatment. What can I do....I feel helpless and cant tell her to stop talking to him. I do have a lot of anxiety about all this. Half the battle is I recognize the symptoms but still difficult to feel the emotions running all over the place. This forum has been such a great place to discuss my personal thoughts and feelings and being able to share this all with you. I truly am blessed to know that others have felt the same as I. Of all the debiliating things why does this have to happen to me? LOL i ask myself this everyday. M > From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@sbcgloba l.net> > Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... > > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:30 PM > Hey Mike, > > I hope you are getting the treatment you need for your low > Testosterone levels. You're right about 133 & 233 > ng/dL being very > low amounts of T. Phil & others can help you fine tune > the best > method of treatment, as well as helping you find out why > your levels > are low. This may not be the cause of it for you, but my > testosterone > levels are low when I have minimal sleep- going near > hypogonadal > levels (below 300-350 ng/dL) from 4 hours of sleep on a > given night. > > Everyone here has had their relationships affected by this > condition. > Some have avoided future relationships, lost a wife or > girlfriend, or > had their relationships tested severely. The " good > news " (if it can > be considered good news) is now you will have some > self-exploration to > do, figuring out how to improve your health & mental > outlook when > nature might not seem to help you much. You may find the > need to > develop new mental strategies to handle depression, > anxiety, > loneliness, etc., & you will find these will strengthen > you even more > when you restore your testosterone to where it should be. > > The others have mentioned the depression, lack of > motivation, & > similar problems that occur alongside ( & because of) > low testosterone. > Additionally, I can vouch from experience about the > ANXIETY that also > accompanies low testosterone. I've had insomnia for > almost a decade, > & when sleep quality is extremely poor, testosterone > levels are low, & > anxiety is very high. Sometimes I wouldn't leave my > house. This > coming from a man who had a reputation for being very > outgoing & sociable. > > We are more than our hormones, but we not less than them- > we are not > utterly unaffected mentally/psychologi cally/behavioral ly. > In fact, > that's one thing my endocrinologist Dr. no pointed > out (he's a > psychiatrist, immunologist, & neuroendocrinologis t): > behavior tends to > be the first thing effected by neuroendocrinologic al > changes > (neurotransmitters & hormones). Hormones affect > neurotransmitters & > vice versa, meaning that you can/will *think/feel* > differently when > your levels change. Low levels of testosterone ( & /or > other hormones) > can cause separation anxiety/ fear of being alone- a > finding that has > been echoed with incidences of separation anxiety & > neutered dogs, as > well as women undergoing menopause. I've watched > strong, independent > individuals like my mom become very fearful of being alone > from low > progesterone. > > Though you *feel* like you need your girlfriend, you may > not need her. > Besides the memories & pleasant experiences you've > shared, it's also > the ANXIETY that wants to hold on to someone/something. > Take care of one thing at a time. Take care of your low > testosterone > & whatever other endocrine issues there may be *before* > trying to fix > other things. If you had a supportive girlfriend/wife, it > would > definitely help during this time, but the fact is your last > girlfriend > showed that she feels some " final straw " has been > crossed. > Maybe, after you feel better, you will have the stability > of mind such > that if that relationship can be repaired, you will be able > to > maintain it. But if you were to have her again at this > time, know > that it will be a bumpy road. If you aren't feeling > well yet, the > relationship might be bumpy enough that she might back out > again. > > Plus, when you start to feel better, you'll realize > that you deserve > respect & can handle a new relationship with anyone you > choose. It > may be hard to think about this now- especially in light of > how you > feel & if you considered marrying this woman- but you > will be a > stronger person when you pull ahead on the other side of > this crisis. > > ~Xian > > > > Now ive lost my girlfriend. > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Most men I know it's not what you did to them it's what they did and are doing to you. My wife made my life a living hell until we parted then I found out I have low T and she realized I was dam sick and it was not all in my head. Then she wanted to move back in and I let her but I can tell you we are not the same as we were before all this crap she did to me. You just don't get turned on and off like hot and cold water. You need to do like most of us and Man Up. She is not making you feel like this your letting your self feel this way. If she is doing this in front of you you need to kick her out or you need to leave. It's one thing to be hit by a truck but to let the truck back up over you to see what it hit is a bit much. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@sbcgloba l.net> > > Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:30 PM > > Hey Mike, > > > > I hope you are getting the treatment you need for your > low > > Testosterone levels. You're right about 133 & > 233 > > ng/dL being very > > low amounts of T. Phil & others can help you fine > tune > > the best > > method of treatment, as well as helping you find out > why > > your levels > > are low. This may not be the cause of it for you, but > my > > testosterone > > levels are low when I have minimal sleep- going near > > hypogonadal > > levels (below 300-350 ng/dL) from 4 hours of sleep on > a > > given night. > > > > Everyone here has had their relationships affected by > this > > condition. > > Some have avoided future relationships, lost a wife or > > girlfriend, or > > had their relationships tested severely. The > " good > > news " (if it can > > be considered good news) is now you will have some > > self-exploration to > > do, figuring out how to improve your health & > mental > > outlook when > > nature might not seem to help you much. You may find > the > > need to > > develop new mental strategies to handle depression, > > anxiety, > > loneliness, etc., & you will find these will > strengthen > > you even more > > when you restore your testosterone to where it should > be. > > > > The others have mentioned the depression, lack of > > motivation, & > > similar problems that occur alongside ( & because > of) > > low testosterone. > > Additionally, I can vouch from experience about the > > ANXIETY that also > > accompanies low testosterone. I've had insomnia > for > > almost a decade, > > & when sleep quality is extremely poor, > testosterone > > levels are low, & > > anxiety is very high. Sometimes I wouldn't leave > my > > house. This > > coming from a man who had a reputation for being very > > outgoing & sociable. > > > > We are more than our hormones, but we not less than > them- > > we are not > > utterly unaffected mentally/psychologi > cally/behavioral ly. > > In fact, > > that's one thing my endocrinologist Dr. no > pointed > > out (he's a > > psychiatrist, immunologist, & neuroendocrinologis > t): > > behavior tends to > > be the first thing effected by neuroendocrinologic al > > changes > > (neurotransmitters & hormones). Hormones affect > > neurotransmitters & > > vice versa, meaning that you can/will *think/feel* > > differently when > > your levels change. Low levels of testosterone > ( & /or > > other hormones) > > can cause separation anxiety/ fear of being alone- a > > finding that has > > been echoed with incidences of separation anxiety > & > > neutered dogs, as > > well as women undergoing menopause. I've watched > > strong, independent > > individuals like my mom become very fearful of being > alone > > from low > > progesterone. > > > > Though you *feel* like you need your girlfriend, you > may > > not need her. > > Besides the memories & pleasant experiences > you've > > shared, it's also > > the ANXIETY that wants to hold on to > someone/something. > > Take care of one thing at a time. Take care of your > low > > testosterone > > & whatever other endocrine issues there may be > *before* > > trying to fix > > other things. If you had a supportive girlfriend/wife, > it > > would > > definitely help during this time, but the fact is your > last > > girlfriend > > showed that she feels some " final straw " has > been > > crossed. > > Maybe, after you feel better, you will have the > stability > > of mind such > > that if that relationship can be repaired, you will be > able > > to > > maintain it. But if you were to have her again at this > > time, know > > that it will be a bumpy road. If you aren't > feeling > > well yet, the > > relationship might be bumpy enough that she might back > out > > again. > > > > Plus, when you start to feel better, you'll > realize > > that you deserve > > respect & can handle a new relationship with > anyone you > > choose. It > > may be hard to think about this now- especially in > light of > > how you > > feel & if you considered marrying this woman- but > you > > will be a > > stronger person when you pull ahead on the other side > of > > this crisis. > > > > ~Xian > > > > > > > Now ive lost my girlfriend. > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Mike, You may want to post what area of the country you are in because you had said that you have an appt. with an endo soon. About 99% of the time endo's lead to huge disappointment, I have been there, done that, I went to an endo for seven visits, she was the biggest ball busting b!tch I have ever met, and I have seen that result at least a hundred times on these boards. Phil, for example, was very abused by many endos. I would be shocked if you came away from that endo appt. with a script for testosterone, I would bet a thousand bucks you will not come away with scripts of testosterone, HCG, Arimidex, etc. You may want to seek out a D.O. type of doctor, they are cheaper and better. Endo's will just say you are low normal or other such crap, and in your fragile condition they will for sure want to give you Prozac or other swill. If you really want to get results fast consider traveling to see Dr. in MI, he will get you on shots by this time next week! He will even give you your first shot in his office! You need help pretty fast here. I also recommend forgetting the gels, patches, or pellets, just go for the shots. Shots work 99.9% of the time, gels often do NOT WORK, are expensive, messy, especially if you have a thyroid problem (skin is thicker), etc. Pellets are expensive and a pain in the A$$ (literately). I am concerned about you Mike, right now you are not at a good place :-(....can I tell you what I really think??? If you were a good friend or a brother this is what I would say to you (if you don't want the truth, don't read anything under this line. ----------------------------------------------------- Still with me? Just thank God that you found out what she was like before you married her, she is saying you hurt HER? Spare me, she is a compassion less woman, you don't want her. You need to concentrate on fixing YOURSELF before you can attract and hold the kind of women that you want to be around. And you need to be a complete manly A$$ and kick her to the curb, the sooner the better. Don't be a doormat, you need to be a total jerk toward her. The fact that she is talking on the phone in front you shows she has zero respect for you, you have become the woman in the relationship. It's over. You need to regroup and rebuild. You should vow to take a year off from the dating scene, get treated, join a gym, concentrate on your work, become the stud you really can be, and just totally ignore all women until you are ready to make your move....and then move in like real man you will be. Rather than being the man where you are begging her to stay, you want to be the man where she is begging you to keep her, a man where she would never even think to cheat on you, a man where she wonders how she can be good enough for you. You say " I don't know if she is trying to move on " ...you need to TELL her it's time to move on, and get the hell out of your life. Today. I don't believe you can heal with her around distracting you with her self absorbed sideshow. Testosterone is the hormone that lets firemen run into burning buildings when all the women and children are screaming and running the other way, and right now you are not a fireman. Lack of testosterone leads to indecision and uncontrollable emotions, when I was low I couldn't even decide on anything and I cried watching TV shows. I wanted my wife to choose things, she told me she wanted me to be the man and decide. Women like it that way, they like the man to be a man, it makes them feel like a woman. The incredible news is that you can fix these things!!! You can get through this, I did. I had a T level of 275 and falling fast. I hurt all over, I was sore, stiff, and I couldn't get very hard during intercourse. Now I have a T level of 800, I have taken my balls back out of my wifes purse, I am the one waking her up in the middle of the night and taking what I need, etc, you get the idea. Its actually hard to be a man. You need to command respect, but in a relaxed non-abusive way. You can be firm, but in control at all time. Testosterone is the hormone that lets this be possible. It cuts anxiety and stress. It is the hormone of hero's. And you need to know that you need to fix this soon. The emotions and stress are not good for the rest of your endocrines. They call it an endocrine SYSTEM for good reason. Your lack of testosterone is putting great stress on your adrenals. Humans run on hormones..... thyroid, adrenal, and sex hormones. When you lack one, it puts stress on your other hormones. You could end up with adrenal burnout. They did studies long ago where they put great stress on dogs. In some of the cases, their adrenals actually started internally bleeding and the dogs died. Stress is not good for your heart, that is why testosterone is cardio protective.....but enough about that. Save what you wrote below and read it again after one year. You will be shocked at your change. Let us know how you are doing. If you need help getting any supplies, HCG, syringes, Levitra, etc, just write. Neil Mike Kwan wrote: > > As of late she has reconnected in talking to her old boyfriend again. > Before me that is. > > I 'see' how she talks to him and how they talk on the phone in front > of me. So is why I am even more depressed and anxious to get this > treatment started. It absolutely kills my heart and soul when i see > them talking. So I dont know if she is trying to move on and its > sorta like a slap on the face for what i did to her. > > But yes I know where you are coming from that I need to focus on > getting better. I just wish she would stay with me thru this > treatment. What can I do....I feel helpless and cant tell her to > stop talking to him. > > I do have a lot of anxiety about all this. Half the battle is I > recognize the symptoms but still difficult to feel the emotions > running all over the place. This forum has been such a great place > to discuss my personal thoughts and feelings and being able to share > this all with you. I truly am blessed to know that others have felt > the same as I. > > Of all the debiliating things why does this have to happen to me? LOL > i ask myself this everyday. > M > > > > > From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@sbcgloba l.net> > > Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:30 PM > > Hey Mike, > > > > I hope you are getting the treatment you need for your low > > Testosterone levels. You're right about 133 & 233 > > ng/dL being very > > low amounts of T. Phil & others can help you fine tune > > the best > > method of treatment, as well as helping you find out why > > your levels > > are low. This may not be the cause of it for you, but my > > testosterone > > levels are low when I have minimal sleep- going near > > hypogonadal > > levels (below 300-350 ng/dL) from 4 hours of sleep on a > > given night. > > > > Everyone here has had their relationships affected by this > > condition. > > Some have avoided future relationships, lost a wife or > > girlfriend, or > > had their relationships tested severely. The " good > > news " (if it can > > be considered good news) is now you will have some > > self-exploration to > > do, figuring out how to improve your health & mental > > outlook when > > nature might not seem to help you much. You may find the > > need to > > develop new mental strategies to handle depression, > > anxiety, > > loneliness, etc., & you will find these will strengthen > > you even more > > when you restore your testosterone to where it should be. > > > > The others have mentioned the depression, lack of > > motivation, & > > similar problems that occur alongside ( & because of) > > low testosterone. > > Additionally, I can vouch from experience about the > > ANXIETY that also > > accompanies low testosterone. I've had insomnia for > > almost a decade, > > & when sleep quality is extremely poor, testosterone > > levels are low, & > > anxiety is very high. Sometimes I wouldn't leave my > > house. This > > coming from a man who had a reputation for being very > > outgoing & sociable. > > > > We are more than our hormones, but we not less than them- > > we are not > > utterly unaffected mentally/psychologi cally/behavioral ly. > > In fact, > > that's one thing my endocrinologist Dr. no pointed > > out (he's a > > psychiatrist, immunologist, & neuroendocrinologis t): > > behavior tends to > > be the first thing effected by neuroendocrinologic al > > changes > > (neurotransmitters & hormones). Hormones affect > > neurotransmitters & > > vice versa, meaning that you can/will *think/feel* > > differently when > > your levels change. Low levels of testosterone ( & /or > > other hormones) > > can cause separation anxiety/ fear of being alone- a > > finding that has > > been echoed with incidences of separation anxiety & > > neutered dogs, as > > well as women undergoing menopause. I've watched > > strong, independent > > individuals like my mom become very fearful of being alone > > from low > > progesterone. > > > > Though you *feel* like you need your girlfriend, you may > > not need her. > > Besides the memories & pleasant experiences you've > > shared, it's also > > the ANXIETY that wants to hold on to someone/something. > > Take care of one thing at a time. Take care of your low > > testosterone > > & whatever other endocrine issues there may be *before* > > trying to fix > > other things. If you had a supportive girlfriend/wife, it > > would > > definitely help during this time, but the fact is your last > > girlfriend > > showed that she feels some " final straw " has been > > crossed. > > Maybe, after you feel better, you will have the stability > > of mind such > > that if that relationship can be repaired, you will be able > > to > > maintain it. But if you were to have her again at this > > time, know > > that it will be a bumpy road. If you aren't feeling > > well yet, the > > relationship might be bumpy enough that she might back out > > again. > > > > Plus, when you start to feel better, you'll realize > > that you deserve > > respect & can handle a new relationship with anyone you > > choose. It > > may be hard to think about this now- especially in light of > > how you > > feel & if you considered marrying this woman- but you > > will be a > > stronger person when you pull ahead on the other side of > > this crisis. > > > > ~Xian > > > > > > > Now ive lost my girlfriend. > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Neil will done Mike you need to listen to Neil he could not have said this better. I run into many people on the boards trying to help men in this shape. I have lost count how many posts I get from wife's and women worried about there man having all kinds of problems with them. Yet they know there is something wrong and are only trying to help them not hurt them. When a women loves you there is this feeling they get that something is wrong and they worry about there man not them self's. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@sbcgloba l.net> > > > Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:30 PM > > > Hey Mike, > > > > > > I hope you are getting the treatment you need for > your low > > > Testosterone levels. You're right about 133 > & 233 > > > ng/dL being very > > > low amounts of T. Phil & others can help you > fine tune > > > the best > > > method of treatment, as well as helping you find > out why > > > your levels > > > are low. This may not be the cause of it for you, > but my > > > testosterone > > > levels are low when I have minimal sleep- going > near > > > hypogonadal > > > levels (below 300-350 ng/dL) from 4 hours of > sleep on a > > > given night. > > > > > > Everyone here has had their relationships > affected by this > > > condition. > > > Some have avoided future relationships, lost a > wife or > > > girlfriend, or > > > had their relationships tested severely. The > " good > > > news " (if it can > > > be considered good news) is now you will have > some > > > self-exploration to > > > do, figuring out how to improve your health & > mental > > > outlook when > > > nature might not seem to help you much. You may > find the > > > need to > > > develop new mental strategies to handle > depression, > > > anxiety, > > > loneliness, etc., & you will find these will > strengthen > > > you even more > > > when you restore your testosterone to where it > should be. > > > > > > The others have mentioned the depression, lack of > > > motivation, & > > > similar problems that occur alongside ( & > because of) > > > low testosterone. > > > Additionally, I can vouch from experience about > the > > > ANXIETY that also > > > accompanies low testosterone. I've had > insomnia for > > > almost a decade, > > > & when sleep quality is extremely poor, > testosterone > > > levels are low, & > > > anxiety is very high. Sometimes I wouldn't > leave my > > > house. This > > > coming from a man who had a reputation for being > very > > > outgoing & sociable. > > > > > > We are more than our hormones, but we not less > than them- > > > we are not > > > utterly unaffected mentally/psychologi > cally/behavioral ly. > > > In fact, > > > that's one thing my endocrinologist Dr. > no pointed > > > out (he's a > > > psychiatrist, immunologist, & > neuroendocrinologis t): > > > behavior tends to > > > be the first thing effected by > neuroendocrinologic al > > > changes > > > (neurotransmitters & hormones). Hormones > affect > > > neurotransmitters & > > > vice versa, meaning that you can/will > *think/feel* > > > differently when > > > your levels change. Low levels of testosterone > ( & /or > > > other hormones) > > > can cause separation anxiety/ fear of being > alone- a > > > finding that has > > > been echoed with incidences of separation anxiety > & > > > neutered dogs, as > > > well as women undergoing menopause. I've > watched > > > strong, independent > > > individuals like my mom become very fearful of > being alone > > > from low > > > progesterone. > > > > > > Though you *feel* like you need your girlfriend, > you may > > > not need her. > > > Besides the memories & pleasant experiences > you've > > > shared, it's also > > > the ANXIETY that wants to hold on to > someone/something. > > > Take care of one thing at a time. Take care of > your low > > > testosterone > > > & whatever other endocrine issues there may > be *before* > > > trying to fix > > > other things. If you had a supportive > girlfriend/wife, it > > > would > > > definitely help during this time, but the fact is > your last > > > girlfriend > > > showed that she feels some " final > straw " has been > > > crossed. > > > Maybe, after you feel better, you will have the > stability > > > of mind such > > > that if that relationship can be repaired, you > will be able > > > to > > > maintain it. But if you were to have her again at > this > > > time, know > > > that it will be a bumpy road. If you aren't > feeling > > > well yet, the > > > relationship might be bumpy enough that she might > back out > > > again. > > > > > > Plus, when you start to feel better, you'll > realize > > > that you deserve > > > respect & can handle a new relationship with > anyone you > > > choose. It > > > may be hard to think about this now- especially > in light of > > > how you > > > feel & if you considered marrying this woman- > but you > > > will be a > > > stronger person when you pull ahead on the other > side of > > > this crisis. > > > > > > ~Xian > > > > > > > > > > Now ive lost my girlfriend. > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 When you say your wife made your life a living hell....can u provide some examples? It seems I have felt guilty and have taken this as all my fault. I don't really know if she can really take blame for any of this as I havent dont anything romantic nor have the desire at the moment......I am getting an MRI next Monday for a follow up and more bloodwork....I hope they can start me on TRT soon and realize some changes soon. > > > From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@ sbcgloba l.net> > > Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:30 PM > > Hey Mike, > > > > I hope you are getting the treatment you need for your > low > > Testosterone levels. You're right about 133 & > 233 > > ng/dL being very > > low amounts of T. Phil & others can help you fine > tune > > the best > > method of treatment, as well as helping you find out > why > > your levels > > are low. This may not be the cause of it for you, but > my > > testosterone > > levels are low when I have minimal sleep- going near > > hypogonadal > > levels (below 300-350 ng/dL) from 4 hours of sleep on > a > > given night. > > > > Everyone here has had their relationships affected by > this > > condition. > > Some have avoided future relationships, lost a wife or > > girlfriend, or > > had their relationships tested severely. The > " good > > news " (if it can > > be considered good news) is now you will have some > > self-exploration to > > do, figuring out how to improve your health & > mental > > outlook when > > nature might not seem to help you much. You may find > the > > need to > > develop new mental strategies to handle depression, > > anxiety, > > loneliness, etc., & you will find these will > strengthen > > you even more > > when you restore your testosterone to where it should > be. > > > > The others have mentioned the depression, lack of > > motivation, & > > similar problems that occur alongside ( & because > of) > > low testosterone. > > Additionally, I can vouch from experience about the > > ANXIETY that also > > accompanies low testosterone. I've had insomnia > for > > almost a decade, > > & when sleep quality is extremely poor, > testosterone > > levels are low, & > > anxiety is very high. Sometimes I wouldn't leave > my > > house. This > > coming from a man who had a reputation for being very > > outgoing & sociable. > > > > We are more than our hormones, but we not less than > them- > > we are not > > utterly unaffected mentally/psychologi > cally/behavioral ly. > > In fact, > > that's one thing my endocrinologist Dr. no > pointed > > out (he's a > > psychiatrist, immunologist, & neuroendocrinologis > t): > > behavior tends to > > be the first thing effected by neuroendocrinologic al > > changes > > (neurotransmitters & hormones). Hormones affect > > neurotransmitters & > > vice versa, meaning that you can/will *think/feel* > > differently when > > your levels change. Low levels of testosterone > ( & /or > > other hormones) > > can cause separation anxiety/ fear of being alone- a > > finding that has > > been echoed with incidences of separation anxiety > & > > neutered dogs, as > > well as women undergoing menopause. I've watched > > strong, independent > > individuals like my mom become very fearful of being > alone > > from low > > progesterone. > > > > Though you *feel* like you need your girlfriend, you > may > > not need her. > > Besides the memories & pleasant experiences > you've > > shared, it's also > > the ANXIETY that wants to hold on to > someone/something. > > Take care of one thing at a time. Take care of your > low > > testosterone > > & whatever other endocrine issues there may be > *before* > > trying to fix > > other things. If you had a supportive girlfriend/wife, > it > > would > > definitely help during this time, but the fact is your > last > > girlfriend > > showed that she feels some " final straw " has > been > > crossed. > > Maybe, after you feel better, you will have the > stability > > of mind such > > that if that relationship can be repaired, you will be > able > > to > > maintain it. But if you were to have her again at this > > time, know > > that it will be a bumpy road. If you aren't > feeling > > well yet, the > > relationship might be bumpy enough that she might back > out > > again. > > > > Plus, when you start to feel better, you'll > realize > > that you deserve > > respect & can handle a new relationship with > anyone you > > choose. It > > may be hard to think about this now- especially in > light of > > how you > > feel & if you considered marrying this woman- but > you > > will be a > > stronger person when you pull ahead on the other side > of > > this crisis. > > > > ~Xian > > > > > > > Now ive lost my girlfriend. > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:05:52 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >keep your Estradiol down between 10 to 30 best at 20 pg/ml. 10 is too low by my book. At 14 I was dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 After seeing 3 Dr.'s and them not finding out why I was to sick to work. I was told I am suffering from major depression! I had to go along with this to keep my job and sick pay. I was sent to see a psychiatrist and told him my story. He told me he wanted me to see a therapist 2 x’s a week and gave me a script for an anti-depressant. This crap went on for 5 years. I was told I had everything under the sun mentally wrong with me. I walked around in a fog…all drugged up on every damn anti-depressant med on the market. My job as an Automotive Manufacturing Engineer was being challenged–why I was not getting better and when was I coming back to work, etc. This damn psychiatrist told my employers and my wife that I didn’t want to get better…that I liked being depressed and that I will never get better. After this my wife turned into a some kind of monster, telling me I would be better off dead, that there was nothing wrong with me and just go to work. And I could see this was it for us. I was pushing myself for a long time to get to work and every time I was to sick to get out of bed I would hear here bitch at me calling every name in the book. At times I would have a Panic Attack in the middle of this she would tell me get over it your faking there is nothing wrong with you you just don't love us and want to take care of us. One time when I was so sick I was thinking I need to go to the ER she got a knife and through it on the bed next to me and told just kill your self we would all be better off. Just typing this is works me up so I am so I can't go on talking about. The rest is a cut and paste for my story. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/ ================================================================================\ ==================== We filed for a divorce. She took the kids and moved out. As an Engineer at Chrysler, I was lucky that we were in the Union. So they were doing the best they could to keep my job. So here I am all drugged up, stressed out, damn sick…and more so from the meds than what I suffered before seeing this psychiatrist. The new house was up for sale and my wife and I were a week from the divorce being final. I was then put on a new drug called Prozac. This was horrible. I was in a stupor and the side effects were so bad I just wished I would die. Also, the Prozac did something to my ability to void, which resulted in a bad bladder infection. I was then sent to see a Urologist, which started a change in my life. He looked at the paperwork I filled out, sat down and talked to me for an hour, asking me why I was on all of these anti-depressant drugs and how I felt before seeing this psychiatrist. He then stated that my problem was not major depression, but may be low testosterone. WOW, I was so happy. He explained that I needed to be off these anti-depressants, that the voiding issue was a result of the meds, and that I am not suffering from Major Depression. I had to go into a Re-Hab Hospital to get off all the damn AD drugs I was on. I was in this hosp. 30 days while seeing a therapist who was telling me I have a problem with addiction. Damn, when do these nuts stop!! I went on meds for low testosterone and was back to work in 30 days. My wife had her lawyer call mine about trying to get back together. I said I would give it a try, but first my wife should see a therapist. I felt that anyone who would treat a sick husband the way she did me has to have a big problem. She agreed and we are still together today, but it’s not the same between us. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@ sbcgloba l.net> > > > Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:30 PM > > > Hey Mike, > > > > > > I hope you are getting the treatment you need for > your > > low > > > Testosterone levels. You're right about 133 > & > > 233 > > > ng/dL being very > > > low amounts of T. Phil & others can help you > fine > > tune > > > the best > > > method of treatment, as well as helping you find > out > > why > > > your levels > > > are low. This may not be the cause of it for you, > but > > my > > > testosterone > > > levels are low when I have minimal sleep- going > near > > > hypogonadal > > > levels (below 300-350 ng/dL) from 4 hours of > sleep on > > a > > > given night. > > > > > > Everyone here has had their relationships > affected by > > this > > > condition. > > > Some have avoided future relationships, lost a > wife or > > > girlfriend, or > > > had their relationships tested severely. The > > " good > > > news " (if it can > > > be considered good news) is now you will have > some > > > self-exploration to > > > do, figuring out how to improve your health & > > mental > > > outlook when > > > nature might not seem to help you much. You may > find > > the > > > need to > > > develop new mental strategies to handle > depression, > > > anxiety, > > > loneliness, etc., & you will find these will > > strengthen > > > you even more > > > when you restore your testosterone to where it > should > > be. > > > > > > The others have mentioned the depression, lack of > > > motivation, & > > > similar problems that occur alongside ( & > because > > of) > > > low testosterone. > > > Additionally, I can vouch from experience about > the > > > ANXIETY that also > > > accompanies low testosterone. I've had > insomnia > > for > > > almost a decade, > > > & when sleep quality is extremely poor, > > testosterone > > > levels are low, & > > > anxiety is very high. Sometimes I wouldn't > leave > > my > > > house. This > > > coming from a man who had a reputation for being > very > > > outgoing & sociable. > > > > > > We are more than our hormones, but we not less > than > > them- > > > we are not > > > utterly unaffected mentally/psychologi > > cally/behavioral ly. > > > In fact, > > > that's one thing my endocrinologist Dr. > no > > pointed > > > out (he's a > > > psychiatrist, immunologist, & > neuroendocrinologis > > t): > > > behavior tends to > > > be the first thing effected by > neuroendocrinologic al > > > changes > > > (neurotransmitters & hormones). Hormones > affect > > > neurotransmitters & > > > vice versa, meaning that you can/will > *think/feel* > > > differently when > > > your levels change. Low levels of testosterone > > ( & /or > > > other hormones) > > > can cause separation anxiety/ fear of being > alone- a > > > finding that has > > > been echoed with incidences of separation anxiety > > & > > > neutered dogs, as > > > well as women undergoing menopause. I've > watched > > > strong, independent > > > individuals like my mom become very fearful of > being > > alone > > > from low > > > progesterone. > > > > > > Though you *feel* like you need your girlfriend, > you > > may > > > not need her. > > > Besides the memories & pleasant experiences > > you've > > > shared, it's also > > > the ANXIETY that wants to hold on to > > someone/something. > > > Take care of one thing at a time. Take care of > your > > low > > > testosterone > > > & whatever other endocrine issues there may > be > > *before* > > > trying to fix > > > other things. If you had a supportive > girlfriend/wife, > > it > > > would > > > definitely help during this time, but the fact is > your > > last > > > girlfriend > > > showed that she feels some " final > straw " has > > been > > > crossed. > > > Maybe, after you feel better, you will have the > > stability > > > of mind such > > > that if that relationship can be repaired, you > will be > > able > > > to > > > maintain it. But if you were to have her again at > this > > > time, know > > > that it will be a bumpy road. If you aren't > > feeling > > > well yet, the > > > relationship might be bumpy enough that she might > back > > out > > > again. > > > > > > Plus, when you start to feel better, you'll > > realize > > > that you deserve > > > respect & can handle a new relationship with > > anyone you > > > choose. It > > > may be hard to think about this now- especially > in > > light of > > > how you > > > feel & if you considered marrying this woman- > but > > you > > > will be a > > > stronger person when you pull ahead on the other > side > > of > > > this crisis. > > > > > > ~Xian > > > > > > > > > > Now ive lost my girlfriend. > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Your SHBG must be higher the lower your SHBG the lower you need to keep your Estradiol. As per Dr. . My SHBG is 22 so I keep my E2 at 15 to 20 others with SHBG at 35 can go up as high as 40 pg/ml. Best to go by how one feels but you can't tell people this. The range I use comes from LEF. http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm Co-Moderator Phil > > >keep your Estradiol down between 10 to 30 best at 20 > pg/ml. > > 10 is too low by my book. At 14 I was dead. > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 If you don't make it a point to stay on TRT your not going to be albe to pull your self out of all this dam bad stuff. I feel you pain but Shots don't cost all that much to do about $100 for 3 months doing 100 mgs a week. If you can't do this your going to have a long way to go and a hard way to get there. Co-Moderator Phil > From: mikekwan1592 <mikekwan1592@...> > Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... > > Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 3:58 PM > Well its been about half a year, > recession kicked in. I was laid off a few months after > my last post in sept 08. now everything is even > worse. bills, stress, relationship all > down. I dont have the right insurance to > continue my treatment and have stopped treatment a few > months ago. back to square one. i > really dont know what to do next. > > > > > > > > Now ive lost my girlfriend. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:58:56 -0000, you wrote: > >Well its been about half a year, recession kicked in. I was laid off a few months after my last post in sept 08. now everything is even worse. bills, stress, relationship all down. I dont have the right insurance to continue my treatment and have stopped treatment a few months ago. back to square one. i really dont know what to do next. Check with your state about health care subsidy. You have a condition that needs constant treatment. Most states will find a way to help. (Let's hope those days will be over soon and we'll see universal coverage!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Hope not. ________________________________ From: " retrogrouch@... " <retrogrouch@...> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:13:50 PM Subject: Re: Re: Ive lost her..... On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:58:56 -0000, you wrote: > >Well its been about half a year, recession kicked in. I was laid off a few months after my last post in sept 08. now everything is even worse. bills, stress, relationship all down. I dont have the right insurance to continue my treatment and have stopped treatment a few months ago. back to square one. i really dont know what to do next. Check with your state about health care subsidy. You have a condition that needs constant treatment. Most states will find a way to help. (Let's hope those days will be over soon and we'll see universal coverage!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Please lets not get into this about Obamacare at this forum I have seen this kind of post cause a lot of problems at other forums. And we don't want this going on here. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > >Well its been about half a year, recession > kicked in. I was laid off a few months after my last post in > sept 08. now everything is even worse. bills, stress, > relationship all down. I dont have the right insurance to > continue my treatment and have stopped treatment a few > months ago. back to square one. i really dont know what to > do next. > > Check with your state about health care subsidy. You > have a condition > that needs constant treatment. Most states will find > a way to help. > > (Let's hope those days will be over soon and we'll > see universal > coverage!). > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Testim and Andorgel use to help men that could not afford there gels go to there web site see if they still do this. Co-Moderator Phil > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... > > Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:54 AM > Don't some pharmaceutical companies > help a person out that can't afford their medication? > Possibly go right to the companies and see what they will do > for you. > > > > > > > > Now ive lost my girlfriend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:13:18 -0500, you wrote: > >I doubt ObamaCare will cover TRT. They are looking to cover even less than what Medicare cover's now. They are unlikely to cover TRT... something that the average doctor doesn't know much about. Let's not go there again. I apologize for introducing politics to the group by my passing comment. (Medicare/Medicaid and the VA already cover TRT though.) > >My hope is that they don't pass Socialized medicine in this country... I like the doctor I have... and don't mind paying for my health care needs. I have Insurance... they don't cover TRT either. So I pay out of pocket. Not a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 That is OK but you should see the mess at other forums over this they lost it no more talk about helping each other they now want to kill each other for what. Even if one dose not like this what in God's name can one do about fighting over it at a low Testosterone forum. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > >I doubt ObamaCare will cover TRT. They are > looking to cover even less than what Medicare cover's > now. They are unlikely to cover TRT... something that > the average doctor doesn't know much about. > > Let's not go there again. I apologize for introducing > politics to the > group by my passing comment. (Medicare/Medicaid and the VA > already > cover TRT though.) > > > > >My hope is that they don't pass Socialized medicine in > this country... I like the doctor I have... and don't mind > paying for my health care needs. I have Insurance... > they don't cover TRT either. So I pay out of > pocket. Not a problem. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 PLEASE lets not talk about this here I will start blocking posts after this. We are here to help each other not get into fights about what the Gov. does. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jbbooks1901 <jbbooks1901@...> > Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... > > Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 1:05 PM > > > (Let's hope those days will be over > soon and we'll see universal > > coverage!). > > Hi, > > the problem as I see it is the model we choose. > > because of location and language issues most are more > familiar with the canadian and english NHS... but the French > system ranks better (#1 in the world). > > But Big Pharma and Big Medical and Big Insurance have to > much Big CEO Pay at stake to let the population have good > universal medical care. > > In France the country was in shambles post war and the > government just took over the hospitals etc. and made them > work... > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 That is awesome . I wish my wife would take interest. ________________________________ From: <zoozin@...> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:01:43 PM Subject: Re: Ive lost her..... Hi there...I just happened across your post and haven't read any replies yet, but I had to respond. As a woman in a fairly new relationship with an old friend recovering from testicular cancer, now having hypo...I come here to try and understand what it's like on the male side. It is extremely difficult on our side as well. I however, was lucky enough to know ahead of time and gathered as much info as I could to be understanding and supportive. It's not an easy road and if there is any way I can help, either of you, or have your girlfriend get in touch with me...perhaps we can help each other...you can contact me privately by email. You have to stay open and honest and most importantly communicate. ...and what you can't give her needs to be made up for with that honesty and security.... Best of luck..... > > I have been just diagnosed with Hypogonadism. I hope someone can > share their experiences with me. Its been long tough battle and I > wish I had discoverd this earlier. Now ive lost my girlfriend. she > has fought and argued with me cause i had no drive nor intimacy with > her the past year. I have tried to explain it to her now but its a > little too late and she doesnt trust me in getting back to her. She > does know now I have this but she tells me she has been very hurt for > what Ive done to her. I will be starting treatment soon. Have any > of you experienced this? Now its a little too late. And my > behavior has not been what my heart really feels about her. This > medical condition has surely ruined my relationship with her. I am > very saddened by this. I am finally coming to grips to what this > problem is and realized ive lost her. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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