Re: Dr. E Barry Gordon - Brooklyn NY

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:15:35 -0000, you wrote:

>He has over 40 videos on youtube...

>

>

I e-mailed him a couple times and inquired what he knew of E2 and

invited him to come hang out here. Don't know if he's lurking or not.

(I was disappointed he said most guys on TRT don't have E2 issues or

gyno problems. His last message to me said " Why should properly

replaced T lead to a problem with estradiol? " )

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this. I am going to contact this doctor. I've been looking

for someone like him. He also accepts my insurance. I'm going to my primary doc

in a couple of weeks. I am going to give him Dr. Gordons website. Maybe he can

learn something. The world needs to be educated about this stuff. Thanks again.

>

> He has over 40 videos on youtube...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What sorts of problems could there be if a guy was receiving TRT. Is it

necessary to take additional drugs for other hormone problems? Excuse me but I

am still pretty ignorant about all this. The only thing I know for sure is I

feel like crap. thanks

>

> >He has over 40 videos on youtube...

> >

> >

>

>

> I e-mailed him a couple times and inquired what he knew of E2 and

> invited him to come hang out here. Don't know if he's lurking or not.

>

> (I was disappointed he said most guys on TRT don't have E2 issues or

> gyno problems. His last message to me said " Why should properly

> replaced T lead to a problem with estradiol? " )

>

[Guest guest]

The best recipe for success in TRT is to start low and do labs try to work your

way up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range or when you feel best what ever

comes first. And to keep your Estradiol levels down to about 20 pg/ml. What

needs to be done before all of this is to find out why your low before trying

TRT a lot of things can cause low testosterone to many to list. Read this link.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/faq.html

Going on TRT without knowing why your low can keep you from feeling better in my

case I was told my Testis don't work I am Primary after being on TRT 23 yrs and

not feeling a 100% I find out my Dr.'s many of them were wrong I am Secondary

called Hypopituitary and looking back over my labs going back many yrs. they

were screaming a Pituitary problem my Cortisol, Thyroud, Ferritin and

Aldosterone levels were low normal or below by a hair. Dr.'s did not read into

this why I feel because they don't take the time to read labs they look for

number above the top or below the bottom of the range all elles is good.

I started to treat my low Cortisol, Thyroid, Ferritin and Aldosterone levels and

started feeling great only to find out after all this I needed Heart Bypass

sugary. We can't say my low hormones were the cause of my heart problems but we

can't say were not.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Dr. E Barry Gordon - Brooklyn NY

>

> Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 11:43 AM

> What sorts of problems could there be

> if a guy was receiving TRT. Is it necessary to take

> additional drugs for other hormone problems? Excuse me but I

> am still pretty ignorant about all this. The only thing I

> know for sure is I feel like crap. thanks

>

>

> >

> > >He has over 40 videos on youtube...

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > I e-mailed him a couple times and inquired what he

> knew of E2 and

> > invited him to come hang out here.  Don't know if

> he's lurking or not.

> >

> > (I was disappointed he said most guys on TRT don't

> have E2 issues or

> > gyno problems. His last message to me said " Why should

> properly

> > replaced T lead to a problem with estradiol? " )

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fair question. Unfortunately many many of us find that with TRT we get

increasing E2 levels. Some T converts to E2. In many a very

significant amount. High E2 contributes to stroke and heart attack in

men. It also out competes T for many sites and thus robs us many of

the beneficial effects of TRT. (Many men report feeling great for a

few weeks and then a decline back to brain fog and less energy as E2

rises. But many of the docs think this is just getting used to the new

t level.) E2 also contributes in a big way to prostate swelling and

erectile dysfunction.

So bottom line any TRT has to follow and manage E2 levels. But most

Docs are still 20 years behind on that. Way too many think it's a

woman's hormone and not an issue for men at all. (Amazingly they don't

question why a substantial number of men on TRT grow breast tissue and

in a glib incurious way they're okay with doing surgery to remove the

tissue - some times repeatedly - but they can't take that as a signal

to investigate?) And shockingly endos are as ignroant as the rest -

but come off worse because where a GP or nonendo will investigate

because they know that there are things they don't know - too many

endos start from the assumption they know it all and aren't open to

talk about it or learn.

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:43:57 -0000, you wrote:

>What sorts of problems could there be if a guy was receiving TRT. Is it

necessary to take additional drugs for other hormone problems? Excuse me but I

am still pretty ignorant about all this. The only thing I know for sure is I

feel like crap. thanks

>

>

>>

>> >He has over 40 videos on youtube...

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>> I e-mailed him a couple times and inquired what he knew of E2 and

>> invited him to come hang out here. Don't know if he's lurking or not.

>>

>> (I was disappointed he said most guys on TRT don't have E2 issues or

>> gyno problems. His last message to me said " Why should properly

>> replaced T lead to a problem with estradiol? " )

>>

>

[Guest guest]

I had testicular cancer. My remaining nut is probably shutting down. Would this

be considered secondary hypo? Without having my blood tests done at this time,

wouldn't you think that it is just a matter of TRT with me and really nothing

else? I know it's only speculation.

I've become obsessed with the thought of being turned away by another doc and

not being written FULL blood test orders.

> > >

> > > >He has over 40 videos on youtube...

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I e-mailed him a couple times and inquired what he

> > knew of E2 and

> > > invited him to come hang out here.  Don't know if

> > he's lurking or not.

> > >

> > > (I was disappointed he said most guys on TRT don't

> > have E2 issues or

> > > gyno problems. His last message to me said " Why should

> > properly

> > > replaced T lead to a problem with estradiol? " )

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

So retro,

In your original posting on this topic, are you saying this doctors approach is

not entirely right? Do you think he would disregard certain hormonal issues I

may be having as unimportant?

I would like to pursue this doctor for my problems. I believe he is my best

chance right now, because he takes my insurance and he is a 2 hour car ride

away. Thanks.

> >>

> >> >He has over 40 videos on youtube...

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >> I e-mailed him a couple times and inquired what he knew of E2 and

> >> invited him to come hang out here. Don't know if he's lurking or not.

> >>

> >> (I was disappointed he said most guys on TRT don't have E2 issues or

> >> gyno problems. His last message to me said " Why should properly

> >> replaced T lead to a problem with estradiol? " )

> >>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I would say your testis from what your saying are not making testosterone

but still you need labs and a good Dr. to read them. I know this is hard to do

and finding a good Dr. is a big problem. We all go through this and you can't

treat your self. So call Compounding Pharmacy's ask for the name of a Dr. that

orders from them for Testosterone and make calls also read in the files section

" How to Find a Male Hormone Dr. "

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Dr. E Barry Gordon - Brooklyn NY

>

> Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:15 PM

> I had testicular cancer. My remaining

> nut is probably shutting down. Would this be considered

> secondary hypo? Without having my blood tests done at this

> time, wouldn't you think that it is just a matter of TRT

> with me and really nothing else? I know it's only

> speculation.

>

> I've become obsessed with the thought of being turned away

> by another doc and not being written FULL blood test

> orders.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > >He has over 40 videos on youtube...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I e-mailed him a couple times and inquired

> what he

> > > knew of E2 and

> > > > invited him to come hang out here.  Don't

> know if

> > > he's lurking or not.

> > > >

> > > > (I was disappointed he said most guys on TRT

> don't

> > > have E2 issues or

> > > > gyno problems. His last message to me said

> " Why should

> > > properly

> > > > replaced T lead to a problem with

> estradiol? " )

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

If you have a doctor who listens great! A few good listeners are

willing to hear new information process it and adjust. I recently had

a great interaction with an endo to get arimidex. I'd had a switch in

Doctors and one just flatly refused to prescribe it (despite the fact

I'd been on it for three years). I changed again. This last one said

it all made sense in theory but he'd like to look for studies. I

handed him a stack of them from my brief case. It was so refreshing

that he wanted them and I wasn't pushing them on someone who didn't

want to listen.

I guess my bottom line is you have to stay informed via this group and

reading and find a doctor who can listen and talk about these things.

You need to process what you read and learn. (There's a fair amount of

information distributed here that I am skeptical of - but I take what

makes sense for me in light of the other things I read and have

learned.

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:23:28 -0000, you wrote:

>So retro,

>

>In your original posting on this topic, are you saying this doctors approach is

not entirely right? Do you think he would disregard certain hormonal issues I

may be having as unimportant?

>

>I would like to pursue this doctor for my problems. I believe he is my best

chance right now, because he takes my insurance and he is a 2 hour car ride

away. Thanks.

>

>

>> >>

>> >> >He has over 40 videos on youtube...

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> I e-mailed him a couple times and inquired what he knew of E2 and

>> >> invited him to come hang out here. Don't know if he's lurking or not.

>> >>

>> >> (I was disappointed he said most guys on TRT don't have E2 issues or

>> >> gyno problems. His last message to me said " Why should properly

>> >> replaced T lead to a problem with estradiol? " )

>> >>

>> >

>>

>

[Guest guest]

--- retrogrouch@... wrote:

> This last one said

> it all made sense in theory but he'd like to look for studies. I

> handed him a stack of them from my brief case. It was so refreshing

> that he wanted them and I wasn't pushing them on someone who didn't

> want to listen.

>

I was thinking how great it would be to keep a collection (in file

section; grouped by subject) of supportive studies in several areas of

treatment options such as with Arimidex or hCG. That would be a great

resource when looking to supply a doctor with the latest or most

significant studies.

I have been collecting a few for my own use but it would seem to be

helpful to have a community catalog here.... just a thought.

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:51:15 -0000, you wrote:

>--- retrogrouch@... wrote:

>> This last one said

>> it all made sense in theory but he'd like to look for studies. I

>> handed him a stack of them from my brief case. It was so refreshing

>> that he wanted them and I wasn't pushing them on someone who didn't

>> want to listen.

>>

>I was thinking how great it would be to keep a collection (in file

>section; grouped by subject) of supportive studies in several areas of

>treatment options such as with Arimidex or hCG. That would be a great

>resource when looking to supply a doctor with the latest or most

>significant studies.

>

>I have been collecting a few for my own use but it would seem to be

>helpful to have a community catalog here.... just a thought.

Most are in the files section - not particularly well organized - but

there.

[Guest guest]

Well you can do this just start a folder and put the info in it. Problem with

most of the things in the links and files section the sites are not up anymore

and some don't work if you guys come across them let us know so we can fix them

or delete them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > This last one said

> > it all made sense in theory but he'd like to look for

> studies. I

> > handed him a stack of them from my brief case. It was

> so refreshing

> > that he wanted them and I wasn't pushing them on

> someone who didn't

> > want to listen.

> >

> I was thinking how great it would be to keep a collection

> (in file

> section;  grouped by subject)  of supportive

> studies in several areas of

> treatment options such as with Arimidex or hCG.  That

> would be a great

> resource when looking to supply a doctor with the latest or

> most

> significant studies.

>

> I have been collecting a few for my own use but it would

> seem to be

> helpful to have a community catalog here.... just a

> thought.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Do you want me to go through the files and links databases and see what doesn't

open for me or what I have problems with? Let me know. I'd be glad to do it.

Jim

> > > This last one said

> > > it all made sense in theory but he'd like to look for

> > studies. I

> > > handed him a stack of them from my brief case. It was

> > so refreshing

> > > that he wanted them and I wasn't pushing them on

> > someone who didn't

> > > want to listen.

> > >

> > I was thinking how great it would be to keep a collection

> > (in file

> > section;  grouped by subject)  of supportive

> > studies in several areas of

> > treatment options such as with Arimidex or hCG.  That

> > would be a great

> > resource when looking to supply a doctor with the latest or

> > most

> > significant studies.

> >

> > I have been collecting a few for my own use but it would

> > seem to be

> > helpful to have a community catalog here.... just a

> > thought.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have been meaning to do this for some time but I never get to it I work at 3

sites and post at many more. Plus I have to do my heart therpy and workout at

the gym. I am retired but find I don't have much time left in my day. I would

love for someone to do this it would be a great help to this forum Thanks.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Dr. E Barry Gordon - Brooklyn NY

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:27 PM

> Phil,

>

> Do you want me to go through the files and links databases

> and see what doesn't open for me or what I have problems

> with? Let me know. I'd be glad to do it.

>

> Jim

>

>

> > > > This last one said

> > > > it all made sense in theory but he'd like to

> look for

> > > studies. I

> > > > handed him a stack of them from my brief

> case. It was

> > > so refreshing

> > > > that he wanted them and I wasn't pushing

> them on

> > > someone who didn't

> > > > want to listen.

> > > >

> > > I was thinking how great it would be to keep a

> collection

> > > (in file

> > > section;  grouped by subject)  of supportive

> > > studies in several areas of

> > > treatment options such as with Arimidex or hCG. 

> That

> > > would be a great

> > > resource when looking to supply a doctor with the

> latest or

> > > most

> > > significant studies.

> > >

> > > I have been collecting a few for my own use but

> it would

> > > seem to be

> > > helpful to have a community catalog here.... just

> a

> > > thought.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'll look at a few links per day and see what I come up with. I'll email you

with the findings so as to not clutter the forum with the stuff.

After some links are reomoved, possibly a folder system can be set up for

quicker referencing. For instance, the has been a new link added in the last

day. I don't know which it is. Possibly new link material can 1st be posted to

the board for general reading, then after a number of days be filed in the

database.

> > > > > This last one said

> > > > > it all made sense in theory but he'd like to

> > look for

> > > > studies. I

> > > > > handed him a stack of them from my brief

> > case. It was

> > > > so refreshing

> > > > > that he wanted them and I wasn't pushing

> > them on

> > > > someone who didn't

> > > > > want to listen.

> > > > >

> > > > I was thinking how great it would be to keep a

> > collection

> > > > (in file

> > > > section;  grouped by subject)  of supportive

> > > > studies in several areas of

> > > > treatment options such as with Arimidex or hCG. 

> > That

> > > > would be a great

> > > > resource when looking to supply a doctor with the

> > latest or

> > > > most

> > > > significant studies.

> > > >

> > > > I have been collecting a few for my own use but

> > it would

> > > > seem to be

> > > > helpful to have a community catalog here.... just

> > a

> > > > thought.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

When a new link is added it should post saying it has been added and give a link

to it. I guess this is not working.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Dr. E Barry Gordon - Brooklyn NY

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 9:52 AM

> I'll look at a few links per day and

> see what I come up with. I'll email you with the findings so

> as to not clutter the forum with the stuff.

>

> After some links are reomoved, possibly a folder system can

> be set up for quicker referencing. For instance, the has

> been a new link added in the last day. I don't know which it

> is. Possibly new link material can 1st be posted to the

> board for general reading, then after a number of days be

> filed in the database.

>

>

>

> > > > > > This last one said

> > > > > > it all made sense in theory but

> he'd like to

> > > look for

> > > > > studies. I

> > > > > > handed him a stack of them from my

> brief

> > > case. It was

> > > > > so refreshing

> > > > > > that he wanted them and I wasn't

> pushing

> > > them on

> > > > > someone who didn't

> > > > > > want to listen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > I was thinking how great it would be to

> keep a

> > > collection

> > > > > (in file

> > > > > section;  grouped by subject)  of

> supportive

> > > > > studies in several areas of

> > > > > treatment options such as with Arimidex

> or hCG. 

> > > That

> > > > > would be a great

> > > > > resource when looking to supply a

> doctor with the

> > > latest or

> > > > > most

> > > > > significant studies.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been collecting a few for my own

> use but

> > > it would

> > > > > seem to be

> > > > > helpful to have a community catalog

> here.... just

> > > a

> > > > > thought.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >