Re: 2nd test two years later

[Guest guest]

Here is a link to your post.

/message/50670

Yes I feel you need your Estradiol checked do a Quest labs Senative Estradiol

test #4021 the range is 13 to 54 pg/ml if your above 30 you might get higher

levels of Free T getting this down high levels of estradiol make SHBG go up and

this binds up Testosterone Free T is only 2% or all your T. Read this link

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_scie\

nce/the_big_t%3bjsessionid=817AB4D0AE5274ECDE924EAFE02FBE1F.hydra

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jyoung9797 <jyoung9797@...>

> Subject: 2nd test two years later

>

> Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:23 PM

> I posted a few weeks ago, but could

> not locate it to continue thoughts so i am starting

> again.  Phil, thanks for the quick reply on previous

> post.  2007 results were Total T - 339; Free Percent -

> 1.49 (1-3.1 norm); Free # 50.5 (35-155 norm.

> Had retest last week.  Results were Total T - 465;

> Free Percent - 1.54 (1.5-2.2 norm); Free # 71.6 (35-155

> norm).

> While my total improved, is it still toward the low end for

> a physically active 40 year old?  But I am concerned

> about how my free percent is only .04 from the bottom of

> listed normal range.  I have read that my free T is

> what matters most.  Correct?  Are there normal

> ways to improve my free %?  I am worried about opening

> the door to balancing meds to keep boobs from growing and

> testicles from shrinking, although I believe if I am this

> low at my age, this therapy is in my future.  Should i

> have my estradiol levels checked?  Thanks for any and

> all input.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks again Phil.  I think I inadvertantly made it to where my post didn't show

on the message board, sorry.  Do I understand Free T correctly if I said that a

guy who has Total T of 850 and Free T % of 1.54 has more available T than I do

with Total T at 465 and Free T% of 1.54?  Thanks for the article as well.

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:00:40 PM

Subject: Re: 2nd test two years later

 

Here is a link to your post.

http://groups. / group/hypogonadi sm2/message/ 50670

Yes I feel you need your Estradiol checked do a Quest labs Senative Estradiol

test #4021 the range is 13 to 54 pg/ml if your above 30 you might get higher

levels of Free T getting this down high levels of estradiol make SHBG go up and

this binds up Testosterone Free T is only 2% or all your T. Read this link

http://www.tmuscle. com/free_ online_article/ sports_body_ training_

performance_ science/the_ big_t%3bjsession id=817AB4D0AE527 4ECDE924EAFE02FB

E1F.hydra

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jyoung9797 <jyoung9797 (DOT) com>

> Subject: 2nd test two years later

>

> Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:23 PM

> I posted a few weeks ago, but could

> not locate it to continue thoughts so i am starting

> again.  Phil, thanks for the quick reply on previous

> post.  2007 results were Total T - 339; Free Percent -

> 1.49 (1-3.1 norm); Free # 50.5 (35-155 norm.

> Had retest last week.  Results were Total T - 465;

> Free Percent - 1.54 (1.5-2.2 norm); Free # 71.6 (35-155

> norm).

> While my total improved, is it still toward the low end for

> a physically active 40 year old?  But I am concerned

> about how my free percent is only .04 from the bottom of

> listed normal range.  I have read that my free T is

> what matters most.  Correct?  Are there normal

> ways to improve my free %?  I am worried about opening

> the door to balancing meds to keep boobs from growing and

> testicles from shrinking, although I believe if I am this

> low at my age, this therapy is in my future.  Should i

> have my estradiol levels checked?  Thanks for any and

> all input.

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > From: jyoung9797 <jyoung9797 (DOT) com>

> > Subject: 2nd test two years later

> >

> > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:23 PM

> > I posted a few weeks ago, but could

> > not locate it to continue thoughts so i am starting

> > again.  Phil, thanks for the quick reply on previous

> > post.  2007 results were Total T - 339; Free Percent -

> > 1.49 (1-3.1 norm); Free # 50.5 (35-155 norm.

> > Had retest last week.  Results were Total T - 465;

> > Free Percent - 1.54 (1.5-2.2 norm); Free # 71.6 (35-155

> > norm).

> > While my total improved, is it still toward the low end for

> > a physically active 40 year old?  But I am concerned

> > about how my free percent is only .04 from the bottom of

> > listed normal range.  I have read that my free T is

> > what matters most.  Correct?  Are there normal

> > ways to improve my free %?  I am worried about opening

> > the door to balancing meds to keep boobs from growing and

> > testicles from shrinking, although I believe if I am this

> > low at my age, this therapy is in my future.  Should i

> > have my estradiol levels checked?  Thanks for any and

> > all input.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes and no I don't mean to confuse this but if your Estradiol " E2 " is to high

your SHBG goes up and this binds up your Testosterone. Also your brain can't

tell the difference between them so when E2 is to high your brain thinks it's

Testosterone. So it tries to lower your Testosterone by slowing down sending the

LH and FSH messages from your brain to your testis to make more testosterone.

To most Dr.'s this looks to them like your Secondary meaning you have some kind

of Pituitary problem. The Pituitay is what sends the LH and FSH messages to

your testis to make more Testosterone. So when testing one needs there E2

tested if T comes back low and LH and FSH are low and E2 is high it's not a

Pituitary problem it's E2 levels are to high. Also if you eat to much SOY it

has a marker in it that looks to the body and brain like E2 but it dose not work

just looks like your levels are high same thing happens. I come across younger

men that drink SOY milk

thing it's better for them and some do a lot of way prtein powder with a lot of

SOY in it. SOY is not good for men.

So Free Testosterone gets bound up big time and all that's wrong is you have

high levels of Estradiol and taking Arimidex the dose depends on how high your

levels are. Getting this down will lower your SHBG in most cases and your

Testosterone can go up some 200 to 300 points along with this your Free T is

freed up.

This happens to older men 40 and over but if your over weight and out of shape

it can happen to younger men.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny_grok/eman_vs_tm\

an%3bjsessionid=BFA65C51DB48A907D3AEA7D586769551.hydra

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

If you find the above linkhelpfulll please go to the files and links section at

the home page on the lift side of your screen.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: jyoung9797 <jyoung9797 (DOT) com>

> > Subject: 2nd test two years later

> >

> > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:23 PM

> > I posted a few weeks ago, but could

> > not locate it to continue thoughts so i am starting

> > again.  Phil, thanks for the quick reply on previous

> > post.  2007 results were Total T - 339; Free Percent

> -

> > 1.49 (1-3.1 norm); Free # 50.5 (35-155 norm.

> > Had retest last week.  Results were Total T - 465;

> > Free Percent - 1.54 (1.5-2.2 norm); Free # 71.6

> (35-155

> > norm).

> > While my total improved, is it still toward the low

> end for

> > a physically active 40 year old?  But I am concerned

> > about how my free percent is only .04 from the bottom

> of

> > listed normal range.  I have read that my free T is

> > what matters most.  Correct?  Are there normal

> > ways to improve my free %?  I am worried about

> opening

> > the door to balancing meds to keep boobs from growing

> and

> > testicles from shrinking, although I believe if I am

> this

> > low at my age, this therapy is in my future.  Should

> i

> > have my estradiol levels checked?  Thanks for any

> and

> > all input.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much for the info.  I am learning that it is not as easy as just

slapping on some T cream.  My PCP is a DO and seems very open to the idea of

wellness.  I will take the info to him and see what we can get going.  As well

intentioned as he is, I would be suprised if he is as up to speed as you are.

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:47:38 AM

Subject: Re: 2nd test two years later

 

Yes and no I don't mean to confuse this but if your Estradiol " E2 " is to high

your SHBG goes up and this binds up your Testosterone. Also your brain can't

tell the difference between them so when E2 is to high your brain thinks it's

Testosterone. So it tries to lower your Testosterone by slowing down sending the

LH and FSH messages from your brain to your testis to make more testosterone. To

most Dr.'s this looks to them like your Secondary meaning you have some kind of

Pituitary problem.. The Pituitay is what sends the LH and FSH messages to your

testis to make more Testosterone. So when testing one needs there E2 tested if T

comes back low and LH and FSH are low and E2 is high it's not a Pituitary

problem it's E2 levels are to high. Also if you eat to much SOY it has a marker

in it that looks to the body and brain like E2 but it dose not work just looks

like your levels are high same thing happens. I come across younger men that

drink SOY milk

thing it's better for them and some do a lot of way prtein powder with a lot of

SOY in it. SOY is not good for men.

So Free Testosterone gets bound up big time and all that's wrong is you have

high levels of Estradiol and taking Arimidex the dose depends on how high your

levels are. Getting this down will lower your SHBG in most cases and your

Testosterone can go up some 200 to 300 points along with this your Free T is

freed up.

This happens to older men 40 and over but if your over weight and out of shape

it can happen to younger men.

http://jcem. endojournals. org/cgi/content/ full/89/3/ 1174

http://www.mediboli cs.com/ArimidexB oostsTestosteron e.htm

http://www.smart- drugs.com/ ias-estrogen. htm

http://www.tmuscle. com/free_ online_article/ sex_news_ sports_funny_ grok/eman_

vs_tman%3bjsessi onid=BFA65C51DB4 8A907D3AEA7D5867 69551.hydra

http://www.griffinm edical.com/ male_hormone_ modulation_ therapy.html

If you find the above linkhelpfulll please go to the files and links section at

the home page on the lift side of your screen.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: jyoung9797 <jyoung9797@ . com>

> > Subject: 2nd test two years later

> >

> > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:23 PM

> > I posted a few weeks ago, but could

> > not locate it to continue thoughts so i am starting

> > again.  Phil, thanks for the quick reply on previous

> > post.  2007 results were Total T - 339; Free Percent

> -

> > 1.49 (1-3.1 norm); Free # 50.5 (35-155 norm.

> > Had retest last week.  Results were Total T - 465;

> > Free Percent - 1.54 (1.5-2.2 norm); Free # 71.6

> (35-155

> > norm).

> > While my total improved, is it still toward the low

> end for

> > a physically active 40 year old?  But I am concerned

> > about how my free percent is only .04 from the bottom

> of

> > listed normal range.  I have read that my free T is

> > what matters most.  Correct?  Are there normal

> > ways to improve my free %?  I am worried about

> opening

> > the door to balancing meds to keep boobs from growing

> and

> > testicles from shrinking, although I believe if I am

> this

> > low at my age, this therapy is in my future.  Should

> i

> > have my estradiol levels checked?  Thanks for any

> and

> > all input.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Some Dr.'s are open to us bring in links and studys my Dr. is one of them I got

him started reading a copy of Dr. 's " TRT: A Recipe for Success " at

www.allthingsmale.com

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: jyoung9797 <jyoung9797@ . com>

> > > Subject: 2nd test two years later

> > >

> > > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:23 PM

> > > I posted a few weeks ago, but could

> > > not locate it to continue thoughts so i am

> starting

> > > again.  Phil, thanks for the quick reply on

> previous

> > > post.  2007 results were Total T - 339; Free

> Percent

> > -

> > > 1.49 (1-3.1 norm); Free # 50.5 (35-155 norm.

> > > Had retest last week.  Results were Total T -

> 465;

> > > Free Percent - 1.54 (1.5-2.2 norm); Free # 71.6

> > (35-155

> > > norm).

> > > While my total improved, is it still toward the

> low

> > end for

> > > a physically active 40 year old?  But I am

> concerned

> > > about how my free percent is only .04 from the

> bottom

> > of

> > > listed normal range.  I have read that my free T

> is

> > > what matters most.  Correct?  Are there normal

> > > ways to improve my free %?  I am worried about

> > opening

> > > the door to balancing meds to keep boobs from

> growing

> > and

> > > testicles from shrinking, although I believe if I

> am

> > this

> > > low at my age, this therapy is in my future. 

> Should

> > i

> > > have my estradiol levels checked?  Thanks for

> any

> > and

> > > all input.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:23:48 -0000, you wrote:

>I posted a few weeks ago, but could not locate it to continue thoughts so i am

starting again. Phil, thanks for the quick reply on previous post. 2007

results were Total T - 339; Free Percent - 1.49 (1-3.1 norm); Free # 50.5

(35-155 norm.

>Had retest last week. Results were Total T - 465; Free Percent - 1.54 (1.5-2.2

norm); Free # 71.6 (35-155 norm).

>While my total improved, is it still toward the low end for a physically active

40 year old? But I am concerned about how my free percent is only .04 from the

bottom of listed normal range. I have read that my free T is what matters most.

Correct? Are there normal ways to improve my free %? I am worried about

opening the door to balancing meds to keep boobs from growing and testicles from

shrinking, although I believe if I am this low at my age, this therapy is in my

future. Should i have my estradiol levels checked? Thanks for any and all

input.

Get an E2 test also. SOme guys with high E2 can get a 200 to 300 point

total boost by bringing their E2 down.

[Guest guest]

i have made another appt. with my doc to ask for additional blood tests.  if I

am correct i need to ask for the Quest Estradiol #4021 test, but also check my

LH and SHBG.  If my E2 is high, can treat with only an AI and not use T

replacement and still improve libido, wood, etc?  I am very nervous about

getting on T replacement and ending up on 4 different meds just to avoid gyno,

testicle atrophy etc.  I still maintain a very fit appearance (never used

steroids, just fit) and do not want to open up a pandoras box and do more harm

than good, even though i know I will FEEL better.  How is that for vanity?  Even

if E2 comes back elevated, I still will try supplements in article you (Phil)

provided first, but I want a plan B.  Would love it if i can treat with only an

AI, but I think from what I've read that it may not solve problems alone. 

thanks as always, and for the record, I appreciate all the effort and input on

this board.  i felt a little

alone and ignorant prior to here.

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:57:27 PM

Subject: Re: 2nd test two years later

 

Some Dr.'s are open to us bring in links and studys my Dr. is one of them I got

him started reading a copy of Dr. 's " TRT: A Recipe for Success " at

www.allthingsmale. com

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: jyoung9797 <jyoung9797@ . com>

> > > Subject: 2nd test two years later

> > >

> > > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:23 PM

> > > I posted a few weeks ago, but could

> > > not locate it to continue thoughts so i am

> starting

> > > again.  Phil, thanks for the quick reply on

> previous

> > > post.  2007 results were Total T - 339; Free

> Percent

> > -

> > > 1.49 (1-3.1 norm); Free # 50.5 (35-155 norm.

> > > Had retest last week.  Results were Total T -

> 465;

> > > Free Percent - 1.54 (1.5-2.2 norm); Free # 71.6

> > (35-155

> > > norm).

> > > While my total improved, is it still toward the

> low

> > end for

> > > a physically active 40 year old?  But I am

> concerned

> > > about how my free percent is only .04 from the

> bottom

> > of

> > > listed normal range.  I have read that my free T

> is

> > > what matters most.  Correct?  Are there normal

> > > ways to improve my free %?  I am worried about

> > opening

> > > the door to balancing meds to keep boobs from

> growing

> > and

> > > testicles from shrinking, although I believe if I

> am

> > this

> > > low at my age, this therapy is in my future.. 

> Should

> > i

> > > have my estradiol levels checked?  Thanks for

> any

> > and

> > > all input.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well you need to try every thing you can the last thing is going on TRT keep us

posted how your doing and what your labs so. Getting E2 down you can go up some

200 to 300 points on Total T.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > > From: jyoung9797 <jyoung9797@ .

> com>

> > > > Subject: 2nd test two years

> later

> > > >

> > > > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:23 PM

> > > > I posted a few weeks ago, but could

> > > > not locate it to continue thoughts so i am

> > starting

> > > > again.  Phil, thanks for the quick reply

> on

> > previous

> > > > post.  2007 results were Total T - 339;

> Free

> > Percent

> > > -

> > > > 1.49 (1-3.1 norm); Free # 50.5 (35-155

> norm.

> > > > Had retest last week.  Results were Total T

> -

> > 465;

> > > > Free Percent - 1.54 (1.5-2.2 norm); Free #

> 71.6

> > > (35-155

> > > > norm).

> > > > While my total improved, is it still toward

> the

> > low

> > > end for

> > > > a physically active 40 year old?  But I am

> > concerned

> > > > about how my free percent is only .04 from

> the

> > bottom

> > > of

> > > > listed normal range.  I have read that my

> free T

> > is

> > > > what matters most.  Correct?  Are there

> normal

> > > > ways to improve my free %?  I am worried

> about

> > > opening

> > > > the door to balancing meds to keep boobs

> from

> > growing

> > > and

> > > > testicles from shrinking, although I believe

> if I

> > am

> > > this

> > > > low at my age, this therapy is in my

> future.. 

> > Should

> > > i

> > > > have my estradiol levels checked?  Thanks

> for

> > any

> > > and

> > > > all input.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >