Re: Re: The New Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy - Crisler, DO

[Guest guest]

I believe that is Dr. E. Barry Gordon sitting next to him. The same guy Retro

posted about a little while ago. He is not big on E2 control.

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From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:11:44 PM

Subject: Re: The New Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy -

Crisler, DO

 

, thank you so much for that post. I learned more in 1 hour from that video

than I did in 100 hours reading clinical abstracts !!!

Who is that Dr. sitting at the table answering questions near the end?

Who is the Dr. Gordon in CA Dr. refers to?

Thank you again. I even feel better about my own doctor. I have to ask him if he

is aware of Dr. s protocols.

-Wilfred

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> Good stuff. GHRP-6 helps me a lot with aches and pains from lifting weights.

>

> Here is a longer speech he gave at A4M that includes the unGHRT.

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> http://progressive. uvault.com/ pd1005/A4M091/ WKS3/02Crisler/ player.HTM

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> From: wilfredtr <no_reply@group s.com>

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> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:40:51 PM

> Subject: The New Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy -

Crisler, DO

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> Some may find this interesting:

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> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rpLfRaP34_ E

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[Guest guest]

Of all the Dr.'s I have talked to on the forums there are only 2 big in

Estradiol Dr. and Dr. nco even Dr. Shippen will not treat high E2 with

Arimidex he will try shots more often or lower your dose. It is to bad Dr.'s are

not up on high levels of E2 I have lost count as to how many men I have told

about this when they posted about loss or libido and ED problems.

I got into it with my Dr. asking him why he would not treat a guy I sent to him

for high E2 levels he said the guys levels were not high enough. I told him he

did not get night time and morning wood my Dr. said most older men lose this and

it is not a health problem. I was shocked he said this and I asked him how long

has it been since he had night time and morning wood he looked at me and said it

been yrs.

I told him to test his E2 levels after all he is 50 now. Well he did and it was

on the high side 45. His wife was on Indolplex/DIM I had told her about high

Estradiol levels in women going through the change taking DIM helps to lower

Estradiol in women. She is a Dr. also she tried the DIM and told me it's a

wonder supplement. So my Dr. tried his wife's DIM and in less then 2 weeks got

his wood back so now he is a believer.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@...>

> Subject: Re: The New Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy -

Crisler, DO

>

> Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 7:37 PM

> I like Dr. Gordon's position- he

> would be more likely to treat " borderline " low testosterone

> individuals than the average lab slave.

> But I find myself agreeing with Retro that Dr. Gordon is

> not big on E2 control.  In his book " Testosterone

> Deficiency: The Hidden Disease " , there is no mention of E2

> control, or even testosterone converting to E2 in men. 

> He may mention it and I'm simply missing it, but there's no

> Index to check in the back of the book.

>

> ~Xian

>

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> > >

> > > Good stuff. GHRP-6 helps me a lot with aches and

> pains from lifting weights.

> > >

> > > Here is a longer speech he gave at A4M that

> includes the unGHRT.

> > >

> > > http://progressive. uvault.com/ pd1005/A4M091/

> WKS3/02Crisler/ player.HTM

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> > > From: wilfredtr <no_reply@group

> s.com>

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> > > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:40:51 PM

> > > Subject: The New Growth Hormone

> Replacement Therapy - Crisler, DO

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> > >  

> > > Some may find this interesting:

> > >

> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rpLfRaP34_ E

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[Guest guest]

Sorry. I am probably wrong on the name. I do believe he is a Dr. Gordon. Maybe

Phil can help me with the name.

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From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:46:54 PM

Subject: Re: The New Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy -

Crisler, DO

 

I'm confused. Theres an E Barry Gordon in Brooklyn NY, I think about 69 with

white hair. The guy with www.thehiddendiseas e.com site.

> >

> > Good stuff. GHRP-6 helps me a lot with aches and pains from lifting weights.

> >

> > Here is a longer speech he gave at A4M that includes the unGHRT.

> >

> > http://progressive. uvault.com/ pd1005/A4M091/ WKS3/02Crisler/ player.HTM

> >

> >

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> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: wilfredtr <no_reply@grou p s.com>

> >

> > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:40:51 PM

> > Subject: The New Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy -

Crisler, DO

> >

> >  

> > Some may find this interesting:

> >

> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rpLfRaP34_ E

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[Guest guest]

I only know of one Dr. Gorden he is in Brooklyn NY can't say if it was the same

Dr..

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Thornton <brianee93@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: The New Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy -

Crisler, DO

>

> Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:08 AM

> Sorry. I am probably wrong on the

> name. I do believe he is a Dr. Gordon. Maybe Phil can help

> me with the name.

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> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

>

> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:46:54 PM

> Subject: Re: The New Growth Hormone

> Replacement Therapy - Crisler, DO

>

>  

> I'm confused. Theres an E Barry Gordon in Brooklyn NY, I

> think about 69 with white hair. The guy with

> www.thehiddendiseas e.com site.

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> > >

> > > Good stuff. GHRP-6 helps me a lot with aches and

> pains from lifting weights.

> > >

> > > Here is a longer speech he gave at A4M that

> includes the unGHRT.

> > >

> > > http://progressive. uvault.com/ pd1005/A4M091/

> WKS3/02Crisler/ player.HTM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: wilfredtr <no_reply@grou p

> s.com>

> > >

> > > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:40:51 PM

> > > Subject: The New Growth Hormone

> Replacement Therapy - Crisler, DO

> > >

> > >  

> > > Some may find this interesting:

> > >

> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rpLfRaP34_ E

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Let me warn you just because you get back morning wood you can still lose it

having sex are mind mess's it up when we worry about it going down so to get

past this take Cialis 20 mgs every 3 days this way it will stay up and you don't

need to wait for a pill to work. Doing this helps one get past the worry and

later you can stop taking it. I did not stop because my wife liked how hard it

made me.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: The New Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy -

Crisler, DO

>

> Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:22 AM

> Man if your advice restored YOUR

> DOCTORS wood, I'm a believer!

> Arimidex - Minwax for men!  http://www.minwax.com/

>

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> > > > > Good stuff. GHRP-6 helps me a lot with

> aches and

> > > pains from lifting weights.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is a longer speech he gave at A4M

> that

> > > includes the unGHRT.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://progressive. uvault.com/

> pd1005/A4M091/

> > > WKS3/02Crisler/ player.HTM

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> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > From: wilfredtr

> <no_reply@group

> > > s.com>

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> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:40:51

> PM

> > > > > Subject: The New Growth

> Hormone

> > > Replacement Therapy - Crisler, DO

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Some may find this interesting:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch?

> v=rpLfRaP34_ E

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[Guest guest]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:37:18 -0000, you wrote:

>I like Dr. Gordon's position- he would be more likely to treat " borderline " low

testosterone individuals than the average lab slave.

>But I find myself agreeing with Retro that Dr. Gordon is not big on E2 control.

In his book " Testosterone Deficiency: The Hidden Disease " , there is no mention

of E2 control, or even testosterone converting to E2 in men. He may mention it

and I'm simply missing it, but there's no Index to check in the back of the

book.

>

>~Xian

It's in google books I believe and you can search it. I remember doing

that and being disappointed.

[Guest guest]

I can't say never bought anything from allday but know a lot of men that do and

they don't have a problem but most get HCG from allday.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Mike Symth <alphadennis@...>

> Subject: Re: The New Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy -

Crisler, DO

>

> Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:17 PM

> C does not work for me.  Perhaps

> because I have high E2 47 pg/ml?

>

> I started anastrozole(from alldaychemist) 0.25mg eod two

> weeks ago and 20mg C (from alldaychemist) still did not work

> last night.

>

> Both V and L work well for me.

>

> One member mentioned that he got an immediate libido effect

> when he took his anastrozole.  I did not get that

> effect when I took it before I went to sleep.  I'm on

> transdermal T creme 75mg/day.  However, when I took the

> liquid anastrozole after I applied the T Creme at 10am I got

> an immediate libido effect that lasted until 4pm.

>

> Also 0.25mg anastrozole pills from alldaychemist don't

> " feel " as effective wrt night/morn wood as 0.25mg liquid

> anastrozole from ChemOneResearch.  Does anyone have any

> problems with the alldaychemist brand or is it just my

> imagination?

>

> I'm definitely going to make an appointment with Dr.

> Crisler when I get back from vacation in Sept and get these

> hormone right!

>

>

> > >

> > > Let me warn you just because you get back morning

> wood you can still lose it having sex are mind mess's it up

> when we worry about it going down so to get past this take

> Cialis 20 mgs every 3 days this way it will stay up and you

> don't need to wait for a pill to work.  Doing this

> helps one get past the worry and later you can stop taking

> it.  I did not stop because my wife liked how hard it

> made me.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I have had good luck with Arimidex and HCG from AllDay. I don't use their

Arimidex anymore because I have gone the cheaper route with my lab rat.

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From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:02:41 PM

Subject: Re: Re: The New Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy -

Crisler, DO

 

I can't say never bought anything from allday but know a lot of men that do and

they don't have a problem but most get HCG from allday.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Mike Symth <alphadennis@ gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: The New Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy -

Crisler, DO

>

> Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:17 PM

> C does not work for me.  Perhaps

> because I have high E2 47 pg/ml?

>

> I started anastrozole( from alldaychemist) 0.25mg eod two

> weeks ago and 20mg C (from alldaychemist) still did not work

> last night.

>

> Both V and L work well for me.

>

> One member mentioned that he got an immediate libido effect

> when he took his anastrozole.  I did not get that

> effect when I took it before I went to sleep.  I'm on

> transdermal T creme 75mg/day.  However, when I took the

> liquid anastrozole after I applied the T Creme at 10am I got

> an immediate libido effect that lasted until 4pm.

>

> Also 0.25mg anastrozole pills from alldaychemist don't

> " feel " as effective wrt night/morn wood as 0.25mg liquid

> anastrozole from ChemOneResearch.  Does anyone have any

> problems with the alldaychemist brand or is it just my

> imagination?

>

> I'm definitely going to make an appointment with Dr.

> Crisler when I get back from vacation in Sept and get these

> hormone right!

>

>

> > >

> > > Let me warn you just because you get back morning

> wood you can still lose it having sex are mind mess's it up

> when we worry about it going down so to get past this take

> Cialis 20 mgs every 3 days this way it will stay up and you

> don't need to wait for a pill to work.  Doing this

> helps one get past the worry and later you can stop taking

> it.  I did not stop because my wife liked how hard it

> made me.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

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