Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Anyone here using Testopel pellets? My endo asked if I would be interested in trying them (primarily for convenience), but I am hesitant. After trying Androgel, then Testim, then every-other week injections (200 mg of test cyp), and finally weekly injections (125 mg of test cyp), I finally feel like, after almost one year of ups and downs, we are on the right track as far as what dose and method is right for me. I haven't had any labs done since changing to the higher weekly dose -- just based on how I " feel " it seems to be working better than anything else I've tried. That said, I am hesitant to try something different, especially something relatively " new. " I am not sure I want to be a " guinea pig " if you know what I mean. So I am very interested in any feedback from someone that has or is currently using Testopel, especially if they have also used injections and can compare the positives and negatives of each. Thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:40:19 -0000, you wrote: >Anyone here using Testopel pellets? My endo asked if I would be interested in trying them (primarily for convenience), but I am hesitant. After trying Androgel, then Testim, then every-other week injections (200 mg of test cyp), and finally weekly injections (125 mg of test cyp), I finally feel like, after almost one year of ups and downs, we are on the right track as far as what dose and method is right for me. I haven't had any labs done since changing to the higher weekly dose -- just based on how I " feel " it seems to be working better than anything else I've tried. That said, I am hesitant to try something different, especially something relatively " new. " I am not sure I want to be a " guinea pig " if you know what I mean. > >So I am very interested in any feedback from someone that has or is currently using Testopel, especially if they have also used injections and can compare the positives and negatives of each. > >Thank you very much. Norton here has a very good experience with them and I am sure will tell you about that. Top me it raises questions about the ability to tweak for the right dosage. SO many of us have problems getting the right level and we all metabolize T at different rates. It's easy to adjust shot dosages week to week. But with pellets you can't readily go in and reduce the dose, or up it if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I believe Ernest Nolan on this forum is the only current pellet user. He is in Georgia and on Medicare. Incredibly, Georgia's Medicare program pays for his pellets, don't know any other state do that. Pellets are VERY expensive, and require surgical proceedure and risk every time. They should last about two months. That is a good couple of thousand dollars are year. I tried them once, $600, implanted in butt fat with tricor, had to ice the area for a couple days afterwards. They wore off in five weeks. However the plus was forgetting about injections or daily skin spreadons, and I admit I felt very good on pellets, constant flow of testosterone. Doc put me on Femara, half pill each week, to control estrogen conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 This will come to you as a big surprise. Hormone pellets have been around since the 50's I think and were used by Dr. Greenblatt of Augusta, GA in his pioneering work with both men and women. His work is the basis for TRT today but the form of therapy is different where doctors do not provide pellets. Pellets in Augusta are covered by medicare but not in other parts of the US. I get a new set of 20 - 75 mg pellets every 4 months under the skin using a trocar for the in-office surgical procedure. I began pellets in 1991 thinking it would cure ED. It was great with easy erections for about 6 weeks and then the T level stabilized at the new higher level and my ED returned. I had to got to Boston to start trimix injection therapy to sure my ED problems. Both are still great at 77. ernestnolan > > Anyone here using Testopel pellets? My endo asked if I would be interested in trying them (primarily for convenience), but I am hesitant. After trying Androgel, then Testim, then every-other week injections (200 mg of test cyp), and finally weekly injections (125 mg of test cyp), I finally feel like, after almost one year of ups and downs, we are on the right track as far as what dose and method is right for me. I haven't had any labs done since changing to the higher weekly dose -- just based on how I " feel " it seems to be working better than anything else I've tried. That said, I am hesitant to try something different, especially something relatively " new. " I am not sure I want to be a " guinea pig " if you know what I mean. > > So I am very interested in any feedback from someone that has or is currently using Testopel, especially if they have also used injections and can compare the positives and negatives of each. > > Thank you very much. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Hi, I live now in Durham, NC and travel down every 4 months to Augusta, GA. Most of those trained under Dr. Greenblatt are now dead or in their 70's. New doctors are getting involved but hesitate to give the proper dosage. Deduct 30 pounds from you total weight and for every 10 pounds remaining you should get a 75 mg pellet. If I was not on Medicare the cost would be about $450/visit for 20 pellets under the skin. That cost is not much different that injections is it? > > I believe Ernest Nolan on this forum is the only current pellet user. > He is in Georgia and on Medicare. Incredibly, Georgia's Medicare program pays for his pellets, don't know any other state do that. > Pellets are VERY expensive, and require surgical proceedure and risk every time. They should last about two months. That is a good couple of thousand dollars are year. > I tried them once, $600, implanted in butt fat with tricor, had to ice the area for a couple days afterwards. They wore off in five weeks. > However the plus was forgetting about injections or daily skin spreadons, and I admit I felt very good on pellets, constant flow of testosterone. Doc put me on Femara, half pill each week, to control estrogen conversion. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 I pay $17 for 10ml of Testosterone Cypionate. Even at my high dose that is 10 weeks worth. Typically this would last the average TRT patient 5 months. Even without insurance it would only cost around $75. ________________________________ From: ernestnolan <ernestnolan@...> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:59:29 PM Subject: Re: testosterone pellets Hi, I live now in Durham, NC and travel down every 4 months to Augusta, GA. Most of those trained under Dr. Greenblatt are now dead or in their 70's. New doctors are getting involved but hesitate to give the proper dosage. Deduct 30 pounds from you total weight and for every 10 pounds remaining you should get a 75 mg pellet. If I was not on Medicare the cost would be about $450/visit for 20 pellets under the skin. That cost is not much different that injections is it? > > I believe Ernest Nolan on this forum is the only current pellet user. > He is in Georgia and on Medicare. Incredibly, Georgia's Medicare program pays for his pellets, don't know any other state do that. > Pellets are VERY expensive, and require surgical proceedure and risk every time. They should last about two months. That is a good couple of thousand dollars are year. > I tried them once, $600, implanted in butt fat with tricor, had to ice the area for a couple days afterwards. They wore off in five weeks. > However the plus was forgetting about injections or daily skin spreadons, and I admit I felt very good on pellets, constant flow of testosterone. Doc put me on Femara, half pill each week, to control estrogen conversion. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Pellets very expensive and didn't work for me (female) at all. The variability of the pellet quality itself a factor; what if it's too much for your body, the need to explant; or if they are not strong enough, more money and $$ for a *surgical procedure*. Good money maker for the doc....I use T cream and dh going to get treated as discussed on this forum, with injections. El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Liz that is a lot of arimidex for a man on pellets Estradiol levels are much better on pellets then gels and shots. But his Dr. is not giving him enough pellets the top about for a man if he is over weight is 1500 mg 20 75 mg. pellets and this will last 3.5 to 4 months. Yes his levels will be this good at 4 weeks but try them at 8 weeks I am betting he will feel falling fast by then. If I were him I would stop the Arimidex I would taking on this dose he went to low. Going to low will kill wood and even taking Viagar will not work. One to the men I helped here Roy was using a penis pump and a penis rine to have sex with his wife at 80 yrs of age he I believe now is 85. He was on TRT doing shots and I told him to have his Estradiol levels checked. He was high and went on Arimidex to get his levels down. Like I told him the firs thing to come back was night time and morning wood. And he got his wood back but when he went to have sex the worry we men have about it working kills it and he could not have sex. So I told him about Cialis to take 20 mgs every 3 days and this problem will be gone then in time when he does not worry about it staying up he can stop taking it. He did every good on this you don't have the sides taking Cialis this way and you don't need to wait for a pill to work. But Roy did not listen to me and he went to low on the arimidex and lost his sex life again. I told him to stop the Arimidex and wait for the wood to come back and it did. He ended up only needing to take .25 mgs of Arimidex every 5 days. It's hard to cut the pills in to 1/4 parts so I use a pill cutter to cut them in half then I stand the cut pill on the cut end and cut the half a pill in half with a single edge razor blaide. Just have him stop the Arimidex and when his wood comes back that day go back on the arimidex but only do .25mgs every 3 days if he loses wood again stop the arimidex and do the same thing but when it comes back do .25 mgs every 4 days and so on. As for Cialis now they have a pill 5mgs you can take everyday. I don't think this Dr. is going to give him enough pellets to hold him over. I will be shocked if he dose he would go good to do shots 50 mgs 2x's a week this hold down Estradiol levels and keeps him leveled. Here is what I tell men so they don't go to low on Arimidex. And you should try cutting back on the amount of Testosterone in your pellets first to see how this helps or go to a cream. http://www.power-surge.com/educate/yourhormones.htm ======================================================================== What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: starlightvisions@... > <starlightvisions@...> > > > Subject: Testosterone pellets > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 8:55 PM > > > Hi > > > > > > Do any guys on here use t pellets? If so how long > do they > > > last before you start feeling your symptoms > again? They say > > > 6 months for men but I am questioning that. > > > Thanks, > > > Liz > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel > Direct > > > Connect > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Well I feel his problem now is his Estradiol went to low doing .5 mgs at a level of 30 2x's a week would drive me to low and I have a huge problem with high levels of Estradiol. I feel if he stops the arimidex in time a shot time his wood will hang a coat. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > From: starlightvisions@... > > <starlightvisions@...> > > > > Subject: Testosterone > pellets > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 8:55 PM > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > Do any guys on here use t pellets? If so how > long > > do they > > > > last before you start feeling your symptoms > > again? They say > > > > 6 months for men but I am questioning that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Liz > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with > Nextel > > Direct > > > > Connect > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:24:12 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Phil, > >Well I was talking more for men. I have personally been on pellets. I >am having a problem and will be going to my 3rd doctor. They have been >giving me too high levels of T verses E. I blow through my E in a >month! They refuse to go higher than 25mg on me now, but I want at >least 50mg to start. Hopefully 3 times a charm for me. My dad had them >done 3 months ago, 7 pellets 700mg. He is 82. He seemed to be much >better at his 6 week point then he his now, The dr told him for men >they last 6 month, similar to what they tell women average 3-4 months. >He said sexually (excuse my pun) erections were better and starting >cutting wood but his love life he is still battling, still can't have >intercourse and sustain one. Although he noticed better improvement >but not optimal. He is taking armitrex 1/2 pill 2x a week. His T blood >work went from 480 to 1200 and free was 0.6 to 15. This was a 4 week >blood draw post insert. His dr suggests viagra but he is not big on >taking the drug. I personally think his T dose needs to be higher, but >thats my opinion. What do you think? Has he had an E2 test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:04:27 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi phil, > > > >Well that makes sense but he is bad keeping logs. I do know his estradiol level was 30 before going on armitrex.. Its not incredibly high I have seen worse. He says his morning erections are very sporiatic but not where you can hang a coat on it but enough to notice it. He barely has night time ones he said. But he says (he is sitting right here) that his libido is not one of a younger man and he says he contributes that to his age. He rather do bioidentical and he was on gel years ago and it didn't do much for him. 30 is near ideal. He should be at 20 to 30. He has likely driven his E2 too low. He should stop taking arimidex for a week and see if morning erections come back. Most of us take arimidex in 1/4 tablets every other day IF OUR E2 IS HIGH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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