Re: is there a natural alternative to tamoxifen ?

[Guest guest]

Tell her to add broccoli sprouts to her regimen daily (100 g) tub if she can.

I'm supposed to take tamoxifen daily but don't like it either. Brocolli sprouts

are 50X better than eating broccoli alone.

Louise

From: " brindusa "

Date: Sat, 01 May 2010

Hello,

My name is Brindusa and this is my first post.

My sister was diagnosed in january with Her2+ ER+/PR+ breast cancer, Stage 3A.

She had conventional treatment (chemo and radio) which almost destroyed her .

Recently she stopped the herceptin (after 5 rounds) because of the very strong

side effects (blood platelets was at 27.000) and hearth damage. Now her doctor

asks her to start tamoxifen.

Is there a natural alternative to tamoxifen ?

Thanks for any replies.

Brindusa

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much , Louise.

>

> Tell her to add broccoli sprouts to her regimen daily (100 g) tub if she can.

I'm supposed to take tamoxifen daily but don't like it either. Brocolli sprouts

are 50X better than eating broccoli alone.

>

> Louise

>

>

> From: " brindusa "

> Date: Sat, 01 May 2010

>

> Hello,

> My name is Brindusa and this is my first post.

> My sister was diagnosed in january with Her2+ ER+/PR+ breast cancer, Stage 3A.

> She had conventional treatment (chemo and radio) which almost destroyed her .

> Recently she stopped the herceptin (after 5 rounds) because of the very strong

side effects (blood platelets was at 27.000) and hearth damage. Now her doctor

asks her to start tamoxifen.

> Is there a natural alternative to tamoxifen ?

> Thanks for any replies.

> Brindusa

>

[Guest guest]

I am using Calcium D-Glucarate instead of Tamoxifen.

ar

[Guest guest]

Have you thought or heard of the black salve?

It is very good. I have it if interested.

[Guest guest]

Yes there are some very effective natural alternatives to tamoxifen. Tamoxifen

is dangerous. It changes the cell DNA irreversible after one dose. As

mentioned calcium D-Glucarate is excellant. Also check on the web for DIM or

13C both very effective for HER+ breast cancer. Did your sister do a hormone

panel yet? You might want to consider that. Genova labs does a full hormone

panel. Most alterntive care docs use this lab. Check her estrogen/progesterone

ratio levels. Progesterone is very protective and if her estrogen levels are

higher than her progesterone; transdermal progesterone will bring down

dangerously high estrogen levels. I am on a progesterone transdermal cream

compounded by my local pharmacy. I am a 8 year breast cancer survivor and I did

10 treatments of IPT.

>

> I am using Calcium D-Glucarate instead of Tamoxifen.

>

> ar

>

[Guest guest]

,

No, my sister never did a hormone panel. I imagine I have to find an alternative

doctor because I dont think her oncologist, which is very strict, would accept

to do such a test, or one to check her estrogen/progesteron levels.

Besides the progesterone cream , do you also take calcium-D Glucarate?

What is IPT treatment?

Thank you,

Brindusa

> >

> > I am using Calcium D-Glucarate instead of Tamoxifen.

> >

> > ar

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I do take calcium d- glucarate.  Plenty of info on internet about it's

effectiveness and how it benefits detoxing your body.  A " must " in the

anti-cancer arsenal.  IPT in very basic layman's terms is this - very low chemo

strapped to insulin.  Dr. Aryes brought it into this country under Dr.

.  The basic concept is this - cancer loves sugar.  They give the patient

(after fasting) enough insulin to bring their bg levels down to around 30.  It

is at this time that all your immune cells (good guys) are dormant.  The cancer

cells are higher than kites due to the insulin and they are starving for  more

and are actually more permable.  Then the chemo agent is given.  But because the

insulin has made the cancer cells more permable it takes only 10% of the normal

chemo conventional oncologists give,

Therefore there is little or no impact on you immune system.  After the

chemo agents are run thru vitamins and minerals are put into your IV bag with

the exception of Vit C.  You can have vitamin c anytime except the day you get

your treatment.  It is also recommended if you can, to get an additional vitamin

bag later on in the week with vit c.  I had my 8 years ago.  I never got sick,

lost my hair.  Basically maintained my life chasing kids, dogs, husband and all

my activities.  Never felt better.  Go to IPTQ.org to learn more.

There is also a version of IPT out there but instead of using harmful chemo

agents (even though you are only receiving 10%) some alternative md's are using

sodium bicarbonate.  The premise is (and I agree with this) that the tumors and

surrounding tissue is acidic and the sodium bicarbonate drastically changes the

pH to what the body would normally maintain on it's own if a person is eating

according to their metabolic type.  (Go to Bloodph.com for a full explanation on

this)  Anyway the cancer cells can't take the alkalinity of the sodium

bicarbonate (baking soda by the way( and they crash and burn.)Go to IMVA.org for

more info on sodium bicarbonate.  There is a brillant doctor Dr. Mark Sircus

that is a wealth of information on all the alternatives that work and why.  He

unfortuantly is in Brazil however I think at one time he was trained in the

states and was a NYC emer rm doc.

 

Hope this helps.

,

No, my sister never did a hormone panel. I imagine I have to find an alternative

doctor because I dont think  her oncologist, which is very strict,  would accept

to do such a test, or one to check her estrogen/progesteron levels.

Besides the progesterone cream , do you also take calcium-D Glucarate?

What is IPT treatment?

Thank you,

Brindusa

[Guest guest]

List,

I would add two elements. The most important one is the diet. Vegetables,

nuts and seeds all organic NO fruits. No meats, no dairy. no sweets of any

kind or sodas just plain water. The second one is DIM an extract that helps

convert the " bad " estrogen into a less harmful variety. The glucarate helps

the liver in metablizing and expelling the estrogen. The combination of both

nutrients and diet is the best approach.

Taxol is no better than placebo but they can't sell placebo.

Anything you can do to strenghthen the inmnue system by reducing stress

(adrenal relaxation (pantpothenic, ashwanaganda, B6 and 2000mg of C ) and

elevating you T cell count (Thymic protein A) beta glucans, proteolitic

enzymes and chelated minerlas.

Detox before you start and every month or so.

This is just one approach.

Keep in touch

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From: " mary frontino " <mfrontino@...>

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:12 AM

< >

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: is there a natural alternative to tamoxifen ?

> Yes I do take calcium d- glucarate. Plenty of info on internet about it's

> effectiveness and how it benefits detoxing your body. A " must " in the

> anti-cancer arsenal. IPT in very basic layman's terms is this - very low

> chemo strapped to insulin. Dr. Aryes brought it into this country

> under Dr. . The basic concept is this - cancer loves sugar. They

> give the patient (after fasting) enough insulin to bring their bg levels

> down to around 30. It is at this time that all your immune cells (good

> guys) are dormant. The cancer cells are higher than kites due to the

> insulin and they are starving for more and are actually more permable.

> Then the chemo agent is given. But because the insulin has made the

> cancer cells more permable it takes only 10% of the normal chemo

> conventional oncologists give,

> Therefore there is little or no impact on you immune system. After the

> chemo agents are run thru vitamins and minerals are put into your IV bag

> with the exception of Vit C. You can have vitamin c anytime except the

> day you get your treatment. It is also recommended if you can, to get an

> additional vitamin bag later on in the week with vit c. I had my 8 years

> ago. I never got sick, lost my hair. Basically maintained my life

> chasing kids, dogs, husband and all my activities. Never felt better. Go

> to IPTQ.org to learn more.

> There is also a version of IPT out there but instead of using harmful

> chemo agents (even though you are only receiving 10%) some alternative

> md's are using sodium bicarbonate. The premise is (and I agree with this)

> that the tumors and surrounding tissue is acidic and the sodium

> bicarbonate drastically changes the pH to what the body would normally

> maintain on it's own if a person is eating according to their metabolic

> type. (Go to Bloodph.com for a full explanation on this) Anyway the

> cancer cells can't take the alkalinity of the sodium bicarbonate (baking

> soda by the way( and they crash and burn.)Go to IMVA.org for more info on

> sodium bicarbonate. There is a brillant doctor Dr. Mark Sircus that is a

> wealth of information on all the alternatives that work and why. He

> unfortuantly is in Brazil however I think at one time he was trained in

> the states and was a NYC emer rm doc.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

>

>

> ,

> No, my sister never did a hormone panel. I imagine I have to find an

> alternative doctor because I dont think her oncologist, which is very

> strict, would accept to do such a test, or one to check her

> estrogen/progesteron levels.

> Besides the progesterone cream , do you also take calcium-D Glucarate?

> What is IPT treatment?

> Thank you,

> Brindusa

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you think ipt will work for large tumors (3 inch) in a couple of places and

some other smaller ones.

Thank you,

Robyn Howell

________________________________

From: mary frontino <mfrontino@...>

Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 12:12:36 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: is there a natural alternative to tamoxifen ?

Yes I do take calcium d- glucarate. Plenty of info on internet about it's

effectiveness and how it benefits detoxing your body. A " must " in the

anti-cancer arsenal. IPT in very basic layman's terms is this - very low chemo

strapped to insulin. Dr. Aryes brought it into this country under Dr.

. The basic concept is this - cancer loves sugar. They give the patient

(after fasting) enough insulin to bring their bg levels down to around 30. It

is at this time that all your immune cells (good guys) are dormant. The cancer

cells are higher than kites due to the insulin and they are starving for more

and are actually more permable. Then the chemo agent is given. But because the

insulin has made the cancer cells more permable it takes only 10% of the normal

chemo conventional oncologists give,

Therefore there is little or no impact on you immune system. After the chemo

agents are run thru vitamins and minerals are put into your IV bag with the

exception of Vit C. You can have vitamin c anytime except the day you get your

treatment. It is also recommended if you can, to get an additional vitamin bag

later on in the week with vit c. I had my 8 years ago. I never got sick, lost

my hair. Basically maintained my life chasing kids, dogs, husband and all my

activities. Never felt better. Go to IPTQ.org to learn more.

There is also a version of IPT out there but instead of using harmful chemo

agents (even though you are only receiving 10%) some alternative md's are using

sodium bicarbonate. The premise is (and I agree with this) that the tumors and

surrounding tissue is acidic and the sodium bicarbonate drastically changes the

pH to what the body would normally maintain on it's own if a person is eating

according to their metabolic type. (Go to Bloodph.com for a full explanation on

this) Anyway the cancer cells can't take the alkalinity of the sodium

bicarbonate (baking soda by the way( and they crash and burn.)Go to IMVA.org for

more info on sodium bicarbonate. There is a brillant doctor Dr. Mark Sircus

that is a wealth of information on all the alternatives that work and why. He

unfortuantly is in Brazil however I think at one time he was trained in the

states and was a NYC emer rm doc.

Hope this helps.

,

No, my sister never did a hormone panel. I imagine I have to find an alternative

doctor because I dont think her oncologist, which is very strict, would accept

to do such a test, or one to check her estrogen/progestero n levels.

Besides the progesterone cream , do you also take calcium-D Glucarate?

What is IPT treatment?

Thank you,

Brindusa

[Guest guest]

I own a vitamin store. I did before I got breast cancer. In my search for a

cure, I found the bio identical harmone thing. So I started selling saliva tests

and progesterone, etc. I now believe that if you get your progesterone and

estridol right that most other harmones balance out. A two harmone saliva test

is $60.00. You just do it at home, and mail it in.

Thanks, Robyn

________________________________

From: brindusa <brindusasburlea@...>

Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 11:21:26 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: is there a natural alternative to tamoxifen ?

,

No, my sister never did a hormone panel. I imagine I have to find an alternative

doctor because I dont think her oncologist, which is very strict, would accept

to do such a test, or one to check her estrogen/progestero n levels.

Besides the progesterone cream , do you also take calcium-D Glucarate?

What is IPT treatment?

Thank you,

Brindusa

> >

> > I am using Calcium D-Glucarate instead of Tamoxifen.

> >

> > ar

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you everybody for your replies. They have helped me a lot in my research.

I think we'll go for IC3 , calcium-d glucarate cream as a substitute for

Tamoxifen.

Thank you for your suggestions on diet and detoxing.

Brindusa

> > ,

> > No, my sister never did a hormone panel. I imagine I have to find an

> > alternative doctor because I dont think her oncologist, which is very

> > strict, would accept to do such a test, or one to check her

> > estrogen/progesteron levels.

> > Besides the progesterone cream , do you also take calcium-D Glucarate?

> > What is IPT treatment?

> > Thank you,

> > Brindusa

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes.  Recently there was a young gal who had inflammatory breast cancer.  She

did not want to lose her breast.  It started out the size of a lemon but by the

time she got to do IPT it was the size of a grapefruit.  I am happy to say that

she is doing quite well after 2 months of treatment, supplements, change in diet

and IV vitamins.Her tumor went down to the size of a pea.  She wanted it removed

by the surgeon but he said she  could safely get " cyberknife " radiation to take

care of it. There was a book out written by a IPT trained doctor - Dr. Houzer. 

If you go to the IPTQ.org site it should be listed there.  Ther are lots of

cancer success stories they talk about in the book.  

 

,

No, my sister never did a hormone panel. I imagine I have to find an alternative

doctor because I dont think  her oncologist, which is very strict,  would accept

to do such a test, or one to check her estrogen/progestero n levels.

Besides the progesterone cream , do you also take calcium-D Glucarate?

What is IPT treatment?

Thank you,

Brindusa

     

[Guest guest]

Brevail is an alternative to tamoxifen that some people take, but I don't have

personal experience with it.