Re: animal products

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone -

I am curious about the remark someone made, that the eating of animal

products is bad for you. I remember reading that some of the longest-lived

societies (I recall it was a group of Eskimos and a group of people of

Russian origins in I think the Caucasus region were studied) and the diets of

both groups contained meat/fish.

I always feel better after eating meat (although I'm not talking Mcs).

I am lucky to live in the country where I am able to get free-range, grass

fed meat raised on small farms, not hormone and antibiotic-laden meat from

animals on dry feed lots that never see a blade of grass.

Lately I have made a real effort to eat only meat, veg and a little fruit and

cut out everything else and I feel fantastic. Surely my body is telling me

something? Human beings wouldn't exist if it wasn't for our ancestor's

ability to catch and kill their food. So why is it so bad? My husband loves

meat. While I prefer small portions, he can easily consume an 18oz T-bone

steak. He was raised on the country-style traditional " meat and two veg "

meals and that's all he eats. His g/parents on his father's side, who were

farmers and raised sheep and beef, both lived into their late 90s. His

father is in his 70's and still working. I truly believe quality free-range

meat, along with veg and fruit, to be an asset to a diet and not harmful.

~Anne~

[Guest guest]

i'll check out the china project thanks

but your personal observations are incredibly flawed

first off, there are many healthy cultures who are meat eaters. you can read

weston price for a small sample of these cultures.

there are also many people who recover from disease by eating animal

products just as there are people who recover from disease by eliminating

animal products. there is a big difference between a mcdonalds cheeseburger

and raw wild game.

merely looking at blood after a meal is ludicrous. this is the same mistake

that darkfield microscopy people make. or the same mistake that hulda clark

makes when blaming parasites for illness. how do you know that what you are

viewing isnt a cleansing reaction similar to what happens during a liver

flush. by the same logic we might say that likver flushes causes stones,

just look in the toilet.

the stones are made of coagulated bile. i have often had stones stuck, and

could feel bile being produced and then trapped. so these stones could then

just as easily be formed by drinking water.

the debate continues about animal products. there are so so many variables.

a few of which could be. raw or cooked, grassfed or grainfed, what is the

method of cooking, was it combined with carbohydrate, were the animals

slaughtered properly, were they fed hormones, did they eat feed with

pesticide... the list can go on and on

one thing that people miss about cleansing is that it's about how the food

you eat reacts with the poison inside you. most of us are walking cesspools

as evidenced by the flushes. do you think that every other part of your body

is not as polluted? not likely. so when you cleanse, which happens every

night, or every time you fast, there are uncountable reactions taking place.

my personal experience has been that eating meat and certain fruit, will

provoke a massive healing reaction. one that has induced the release of

hundreds of pounds of waste from my intestines. as powerful as that

experience is, it is hardly evidence that meat causes this or that. it is

just my personal experience.

the fact that juicing provokes a cleansing reaction does not mean anything

other than exactly that. we could extend the same logic and say flushes

provoke cleansing so that epsom salts grapefruit juice and olive oil are

man's intended diet.

still i'm open to the idea that animal products do cause them, but i need

something much better.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rosemary,

I have known about H. Acres, Barleygreen, etc. for years.

Yes, their web site is good and has interesting information.

I do struggle, however, with using the Bible as a guideline

for eating vegetarian. In my years in the Nutrition field, and

being a Christian, I have heard that done by others as well.

The reason I struggle with it, is that after the

flood, God says eating meat is okay...Gen. 9:3 " Everything

that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you

the green plants, I now give you everything. " God also

gave guidelines later about meats that were better not

eaten, and many of those we now know are more parasitic,

etc., so God may have given these guidelines with the health

of the people in mind. I have always wondered about that

and wonder how the " hallalujah acres " folks respond to that.

I do believe that we should eat " everything in moderation "

and things that are unprocessed, though I fail at times in

both of these areas. I really think that

so much of our problem is excess, over-processing

of foods, the pollution we have brought upon the earth,

and the lack of nutrients present even in the foods we

do eat because we are depleting our soils.

Just some thoughts that keep coming to mind...

....I do enjoy your posts :-)

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

mailto:claudiameydrech@...

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

Remember our military with your prayers and support!

" God bless America...(and all His people throughout

the world)...stand beside us, and guide us "

[Guest guest]

Hi,

There was a study done over many years called " The China Project. " It has been

well documented that where populations eat lots of animal products, they suffer

far higher rates of heart attacks, strokes, osteoporosis, gall stones, cancers

etc, etc. There are many scientific studies to back this up.

I think you can buy " The China Project " from www.hacres.com along with lots of

other interesting books.

Prior to going on the Hallelujah diet 3 years ago, I had chronic stroke-like

symptoms most of the time due to chronic Lyme disease. I was numb down my left

side. Since getting off animal products my circulation has improved

tremendously. My husband had a high PSA reading and trouble passing urine. By

the third month on the diet this had all returned to normal. His chronic anemia

is also gone along with Fibromyalgia and other problems.

Since going on the diet I hardly ever have gall bladder attacks. However, I ate

lots of animals for the first 42 years of my life. I believe the stones that

are coming out now have been there for a long time. I LOVED eating animal

products, but now I don't want my liver clogged up like that ever again! It's

not worth it.

Another excellent website can be found if you do a search for " A Diet For All

Reasons " by Klapper M.D. We have his video in which he explains all of

this in medical terms. He also shows actual photos of really fatty blood after

a heart by-pass patient had eaten a cheese burger. It's a real eye-opener!

I believe the gall stones are about 95% cholesterol. The fat you get from

plants, nuts, seeds and oils does not contain cholesterol. This fat does not

solidify at body temperature. Animal fat does, and can do so in our arteries.

Hope this helps,

Wishing you health,

Rosemary.

----- Original Message -----

From: aluckower

gallstones

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 8:32 AM

Subject: animal products

im wondering why people think that animal products cause these gallstones

is there any evidence either anecdotal or otherwise

[Guest guest]

Hi Gang,

I will try to answer some of these questions without offending anyone.

Hi Rosemary,

I do struggle, however, with using the Bible as a guideline

for eating vegetarian. In my years in the Nutrition field, and

being a Christian, I have heard that done by others as well.

The reason I struggle with it, is that after the

flood, God says eating meat is okay...Gen. 9:3 " Everything

that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you

the green plants, I now give you everything. "

The original diet for mankind was laid down in Genesis 1;29. Then, because

there was so much sin in the world, God decided to wipe mankind out with the

flood. Because of Noah, God changed His mind and decided to shorten mankind's

lifespan. That is when He said we could eat meat and other animal products.

God has allowed many things,(like divorce for example) but it does not mean they

are good for us, and there is usually a price to pay.

God also

gave guidelines later about meats that were better not

eaten, and many of those we now know are more parasitic,

etc., so God may have given these guidelines with the health

of the people in mind. I have always wondered about that

and wonder how the " hallalujah acres " folks respond to that.

Malkmus has written a little book called " A Health Primer. " (I think

that's the name of it.) He answers lots of these questions from a Biblical

perspective. From memory it is only a few dollars. I haven't bought one as I

am in Australia and his books are hard to get here. One that I do have is

called " Why Christians Get Sick. " In this book he talks about all the chemicals

in our foods, air and water and how far we have come from God's original plan

for us. Excellent stuff.

I do believe that we should eat " everything in moderation "

and things that are unprocessed, though I fail at times in

both of these areas. I really think that

so much of our problem is excess, over-processing

of foods, the pollution we have brought upon the earth,

and the lack of nutrients present even in the foods we

do eat because we are depleting our soils.

Just some thoughts that keep coming to mind...

...I do enjoy your posts :-)

Thanks . For years I ate what I thought was healthy food in

moderation. I ate skinless chicken, fish and low fat red meat. I ate low fat

organic yoghurt, wholegrains, fruit and vegies, etc. Most things were home-

cooked and I thought I was doing the best for my family, according to the

knowledge I had at the time. I had previously been on the Atkins diet, low-carb

diets, Weight-Watchers, etc, etc. Though all of these diets had some merrit,

nothing helped me like the Hallelujah diet.

This diet has got me out of a wheelchair when nothing else could. I have been

sick with chronic Lyme disease for 24 years. I was misdiagnosed for 22 years

and not given anti-biotics, so you can imagine I have quite a bit of

neurological and muscle damage. The diet has definately stopped the

deterioration, but not cured me at this late stage. The diet has certainly

cured every other problem my husband and I had which was caused by eating animal

products.

I would encourage anyone to just try it for at least 21 days and then see how

you feel. You have nothing to lose and might be surprised by the results you

get.

Wishing you all health,

Rosemary.

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

mailto:claudiameydrech@...

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

Remember our military with your prayers and support!

" God bless America...(and all His people throughout

the world)...stand beside us, and guide us "

[Guest guest]

Thank you for some very good information and suggestions to try and

use. I am vegetarian, have been off and on for years, but now I am

all the way and will stay that way. I feel better and it is easier

for my system to handle the first hand protein I eat.

I have found that the vegetarian diet is easier on the GB and Liver

as well if you have those problems, and I have had my share of them.

Again thanks for the information.

>

> Hi Gang,

> I will try to answer some of these questions without offending

anyone. My post is in bold, larger lettters. 's is in the

smaller print.

> Hi Rosemary,

>

> I do struggle, however, with using the Bible as a guideline

> for eating vegetarian. In my years in the Nutrition field, and

> being a Christian, I have heard that done by others as well.

> The reason I struggle with it, is that after the

> flood, God says eating meat is okay...Gen. 9:3 " Everything

> that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you

> the green plants, I now give you everything. "

> The original diet for mankind was laid down in Genesis 1;29.

Then, because there was so much sin in the world, God decided to wipe

mankind out with the flood. Because of Noah, God changed His mind and

decided to shorten mankind's lifespan. That is when He said we could

eat meat and other animal products. God has allowed many things,

(like divorce for example) but it does not mean they are good for us,

and there is usually a price to pay.

>

> God also

> gave guidelines later about meats that were better not

> eaten, and many of those we now know are more parasitic,

> etc., so God may have given these guidelines with the health

> of the people in mind. I have always wondered about that

> and wonder how the " hallalujah acres " folks respond to that.

>

> Malkmus has written a little book called " A Health

Primer. " (I think that's the name of it.) He answers lots of these

questions from a Biblical perspective. From memory it is only a few

dollars. I haven't bought one as I am in Australia and his books are

hard to get here. One that I do have is called " Why Christians Get

Sick. " In this book he talks about all the chemicals in our foods,

air and water and how far we have come from God's original plan for

us. Excellent stuff.

> I do believe that we should eat " everything in moderation "

> and things that are unprocessed, though I fail at times in

> both of these areas. I really think that

> so much of our problem is excess, over-processing

> of foods, the pollution we have brought upon the earth,

> and the lack of nutrients present even in the foods we

> do eat because we are depleting our soils.

> Just some thoughts that keep coming to mind...

> ...I do enjoy your posts :-)

> Thanks . For years I ate what I thought was healthy food

in moderation. I ate skinless chicken, fish and low fat red meat. I

ate low fat organic yoghurt, wholegrains, fruit and vegies, etc.

Most things were home- cooked and I thought I was doing the best for

my family, according to the knowledge I had at the time. I had

previously been on the Atkins diet, low-carb diets, Weight-Watchers,

etc, etc. Though all of these diets had some merrit, nothing helped

me like the Hallelujah diet.

> This diet has got me out of a wheelchair when nothing else could.

I have been sick with chronic Lyme disease for 24 years. I was

misdiagnosed for 22 years and not given anti-biotics, so you can

imagine I have quite a bit of neurological and muscle damage. The

diet has definately stopped the deterioration, but not cured me at

this late stage. The diet has certainly cured every other problem my

husband and I had which was caused by eating animal products.

> I would encourage anyone to just try it for at least 21 days and

then see how you feel. You have nothing to lose and might be

surprised by the results you get.

> Wishing you all health,

> Rosemary.

>

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

> http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

> mailto:claudiameydrech@c...

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> Remember our military with your prayers and support!

> " God bless America...(and all His people throughout

> the world)...stand beside us, and guide us "

>

>

>

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