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Aloha Roy!

WOW! Thanks for the information. My doc IS anxious to find out about

my valleys and peaks already! I think the next time I see him I will

ask for the 100mg every week. For some reason, he thinks

he's " inconveniencing me by having to go to the clinic for a shot " !

HE'S NOT! It's walking distance (3 blocks away) and doesn't me good

to get out and move outside rather than just inside all the time.

Due to my 3 failed spine surgeries, I'm usless when it comes to

lifting anything over 15 pounds....and that is surprisingly little!

However, as far as the " inconvenience " , I find myself looking

forward to the walk and shots. I'd rather have a female nurse do it

than me anytime (shhhh, don't tell the wife!)LOLOL!

Thanks again Roy. You sound like you're doing GREAT!

Aloha for now,

Wayne

> > >

> > > One thing to remember with the book is that the part about

shots

> is

> > > outdated. It is my understanding from what others have said

> here that

> > > Dr. Shippen now uses shots.

> > >

> > > Mark

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi Amy-

For my own two cents worth of contribution: in my case my injections

of testosterone had -no- effect on my hypothyroidism. Depo-T is great

for lowering my diabetics blood sugar, easing up my arthritic aches

and pains, more energy to do things and generally having a brighter

outlook on life - but my thyroid seemed completely oblivious to it,

at least as far as the TSH levels show. If I miss my Synthroid pills

for more than a few days, I'm in big trouble irregardless of how much

(or how little) testosterone I use.

Just thought I'd mention - in one of your earlier posts, you were

right, the group here depends more on individual experiences than

actual resident drs. Its more of a free-wheeling, " that sounds

familiar " , bunch that as a collective mind can really be impressive

if not downright scary in their intuitive powers (if I might suggest,

adding the Meso-Rx board to your sources of info list too, they have

one or two drs on the board who might have some ideas from a purely

professional standpoint. Even on how to handle other drs.)

(Btw, as mentioned above, Depo-T eases up my arthritic aches and

pains. It does -not- get rid of them. I've got a bad rotator cup in

my right shoulder. I was cleaning house today trying to get rid of

some junk I'd collected over the years and found my old bowling ball

from my youth when I use to bowl on a league. I tried lifting it up

and swinging it and thought my arm was going to come off. I just love

it when reality hits like that. Anybody wants a bowling ball, it's

out in front of the house waiting for the trash pickup tomorrow. Its

got a bowling bag and shoes. All yours.)

Rich

> > > > > I wasn't really looking for people to give me an idea as to

> > what

> > > > is wrong

> > > > > with DH - I have plenty of ideas on that. The issues for

me is

> > > > figuring out

> > > > > " what " to send to the GP to help light a fire under his

butt.

> > > >

> > > > Sounds like you've already set your mind that TRT is the

> > solution.

> > > > I'm not sure it is in your DH's case. You don't want to be on

> > TRT

> > > > unless you truly have primary or secondary hypogonadism or

some

> > > > other chronic and incurable disease that causes hypogonadism

of

> > > > which you only want to relieve symptoms but not cure the

problem.

> > > > TRT is almost always lifelong so it's a serious decision.

Most

> > > > people here are constantly dealing with artificially

balancing a

> > > > very complex hormonal system. If certain hormones are too

high

> > you

> > > > feel like crap, if they're too low you feel like crap. If a

> > primary

> > > > hormone causes a metabolite hormone to go high or low you feel

> > like

> > > > crap. That's why it's always better to treat the underlying

> > issues,

> > > > if any, before going on TRT. This should always be the

approach

> > to

> > > > TRT when possible.

> > > >

> > > > If there are no underlying conditions then good TRT treatment

can

> > > > work wonders, bad TRT treatment can make things worse as can

> > masking

> > > > an underlying condition with TRT which would only cause that

> > > > underlying condition to get worse. If the underlying

condition

> > is

> > > > being treated and there's nothing more that can be done for it

> > and

> > > > hypogonadism still is present then TRT could help with

symptoms.

> > > >

> > > > With that said, if you're heart is set on TRT then I think the

> > > > reference pmgamer gave you, namely, the AACE guidelines and

Dr.

> > > > Crisler's TRT document are good reads. The AACE guidelines

will

> > > > have the most weight when talking to a doctor because they're

a

> > > > recognized organization. But without more test results it

will

> > be

> > > > hard to make arguments based on the AACE guidelines. That's

why

> > we

> > > > were pushing for more tests because without them it's

difficult

> > for

> > > > us to help you make an argument for TRT to your doctor.

> > > >

> > > > You posted some test results but you didn't include the

reference

> > > > ranges. All test results need to have the reference ranges

> > posted

> > > > as every lab can use different tests and thus have different

> > ranges

> > > > which would make the measured results mean different things.

> > You're

> > > > DH may very well have clinical hypogonadism but it may not be

his

> > > > primary problem, and given your previous posts I would doubt

> > that it

> > > > is. I'm concerned that he may have a more serious problem.

> > > > Something tells me that you know this but are not willing to

say

> > > > exactly what it is, that's okay, but our advice is limited

only

> > by

> > > > the amount of information we have.

> > > >

> > > > Good Luck!

> > > >

> > > > ASaxon

> > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > AVON Independent Sales Representative

> > > www.yourAVON.com/apowers <http://www.youravon.com/apowers>

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Rich - is this on or is this another website?

Thanks,

Amy

On 5/10/06, Rich <caliconine@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Amy-

> For my own two cents worth of contribution: in my case my injections

> of testosterone had -no- effect on my hypothyroidism. Depo-T is great

> for lowering my diabetics blood sugar, easing up my arthritic aches

> and pains, more energy to do things and generally having a brighter

> outlook on life - but my thyroid seemed completely oblivious to it,

> at least as far as the TSH levels show. If I miss my Synthroid pills

> for more than a few days, I'm in big trouble irregardless of how much

> (or how little) testosterone I use.

>

> Just thought I'd mention - in one of your earlier posts, you were

> right, the group here depends more on individual experiences than

> actual resident drs. Its more of a free-wheeling, " that sounds

> familiar " , bunch that as a collective mind can really be impressive

> if not downright scary in their intuitive powers (if I might suggest,

> adding the Meso-Rx board to your sources of info list too, they have

> one or two drs on the board who might have some ideas from a purely

> professional standpoint. Even on how to handle other drs.)

>

> (Btw, as mentioned above, Depo-T eases up my arthritic aches and

> pains. It does -not- get rid of them. I've got a bad rotator cup in

> my right shoulder. I was cleaning house today trying to get rid of

> some junk I'd collected over the years and found my old bowling ball

> from my youth when I use to bowl on a league. I tried lifting it up

> and swinging it and thought my arm was going to come off. I just love

> it when reality hits like that. Anybody wants a bowling ball, it's

> out in front of the house waiting for the trash pickup tomorrow. Its

> got a bowling bag and shoes. All yours.)

> Rich

>

>

>

> > > > > > I wasn't really looking for people to give me an idea as to

> > > what

> > > > > is wrong

> > > > > > with DH - I have plenty of ideas on that. The issues for

> me is

> > > > > figuring out

> > > > > > " what " to send to the GP to help light a fire under his

> butt.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sounds like you've already set your mind that TRT is the

> > > solution.

> > > > > I'm not sure it is in your DH's case. You don't want to be on

> > > TRT

> > > > > unless you truly have primary or secondary hypogonadism or

> some

> > > > > other chronic and incurable disease that causes hypogonadism

> of

> > > > > which you only want to relieve symptoms but not cure the

> problem.

> > > > > TRT is almost always lifelong so it's a serious decision.

> Most

> > > > > people here are constantly dealing with artificially

> balancing a

> > > > > very complex hormonal system. If certain hormones are too

> high

> > > you

> > > > > feel like crap, if they're too low you feel like crap. If a

> > > primary

> > > > > hormone causes a metabolite hormone to go high or low you feel

> > > like

> > > > > crap. That's why it's always better to treat the underlying

> > > issues,

> > > > > if any, before going on TRT. This should always be the

> approach

> > > to

> > > > > TRT when possible.

> > > > >

> > > > > If there are no underlying conditions then good TRT treatment

> can

> > > > > work wonders, bad TRT treatment can make things worse as can

> > > masking

> > > > > an underlying condition with TRT which would only cause that

> > > > > underlying condition to get worse. If the underlying

> condition

> > > is

> > > > > being treated and there's nothing more that can be done for it

> > > and

> > > > > hypogonadism still is present then TRT could help with

> symptoms.

> > > > >

> > > > > With that said, if you're heart is set on TRT then I think the

> > > > > reference pmgamer gave you, namely, the AACE guidelines and

> Dr.

> > > > > Crisler's TRT document are good reads. The AACE guidelines

> will

> > > > > have the most weight when talking to a doctor because they're

> a

> > > > > recognized organization. But without more test results it

> will

> > > be

> > > > > hard to make arguments based on the AACE guidelines. That's

> why

> > > we

> > > > > were pushing for more tests because without them it's

> difficult

> > > for

> > > > > us to help you make an argument for TRT to your doctor.

> > > > >

> > > > > You posted some test results but you didn't include the

> reference

> > > > > ranges. All test results need to have the reference ranges

> > > posted

> > > > > as every lab can use different tests and thus have different

> > > ranges

> > > > > which would make the measured results mean different things.

> > > You're

> > > > > DH may very well have clinical hypogonadism but it may not be

> his

> > > > > primary problem, and given your previous posts I would doubt

> > > that it

> > > > > is. I'm concerned that he may have a more serious problem.

> > > > > Something tells me that you know this but are not willing to

> say

> > > > > exactly what it is, that's okay, but our advice is limited

> only

> > > by

> > > > > the amount of information we have.

> > > > >

> > > > > Good Luck!

> > > > >

> > > > > ASaxon

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > AVON Independent Sales Representative

> > > > www.yourAVON.com/apowers <http://www.youravon.com/apowers> <

> http://www.youravon.com/apowers>

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Amy-

Its on its own website. You need to register (free.)

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/index.php

Rich

> > > > > > > I wasn't really looking for people to give me an idea

as to

> > > > what

> > > > > > is wrong

> > > > > > > with DH - I have plenty of ideas on that. The issues

for

> > me is

> > > > > > figuring out

> > > > > > > " what " to send to the GP to help light a fire under his

> > butt.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sounds like you've already set your mind that TRT is the

> > > > solution.

> > > > > > I'm not sure it is in your DH's case. You don't want to

be on

> > > > TRT

> > > > > > unless you truly have primary or secondary hypogonadism or

> > some

> > > > > > other chronic and incurable disease that causes

hypogonadism

> > of

> > > > > > which you only want to relieve symptoms but not cure the

> > problem.

> > > > > > TRT is almost always lifelong so it's a serious decision.

> > Most

> > > > > > people here are constantly dealing with artificially

> > balancing a

> > > > > > very complex hormonal system. If certain hormones are too

> > high

> > > > you

> > > > > > feel like crap, if they're too low you feel like crap.

If a

> > > > primary

> > > > > > hormone causes a metabolite hormone to go high or low you

feel

> > > > like

> > > > > > crap. That's why it's always better to treat the

underlying

> > > > issues,

> > > > > > if any, before going on TRT. This should always be the

> > approach

> > > > to

> > > > > > TRT when possible.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If there are no underlying conditions then good TRT

treatment

> > can

> > > > > > work wonders, bad TRT treatment can make things worse as

can

> > > > masking

> > > > > > an underlying condition with TRT which would only cause

that

> > > > > > underlying condition to get worse. If the underlying

> > condition

> > > > is

> > > > > > being treated and there's nothing more that can be done

for it

> > > > and

> > > > > > hypogonadism still is present then TRT could help with

> > symptoms.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With that said, if you're heart is set on TRT then I

think the

> > > > > > reference pmgamer gave you, namely, the AACE guidelines

and

> > Dr.

> > > > > > Crisler's TRT document are good reads. The AACE

guidelines

> > will

> > > > > > have the most weight when talking to a doctor because

they're

> > a

> > > > > > recognized organization. But without more test results it

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > hard to make arguments based on the AACE guidelines.

That's

> > why

> > > > we

> > > > > > were pushing for more tests because without them it's

> > difficult

> > > > for

> > > > > > us to help you make an argument for TRT to your doctor.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You posted some test results but you didn't include the

> > reference

> > > > > > ranges. All test results need to have the reference

ranges

> > > > posted

> > > > > > as every lab can use different tests and thus have

different

> > > > ranges

> > > > > > which would make the measured results mean different

things.

> > > > You're

> > > > > > DH may very well have clinical hypogonadism but it may

not be

> > his

> > > > > > primary problem, and given your previous posts I would

doubt

> > > > that it

> > > > > > is. I'm concerned that he may have a more serious

problem.

> > > > > > Something tells me that you know this but are not willing

to

> > say

> > > > > > exactly what it is, that's okay, but our advice is limited

> > only

> > > > by

> > > > > > the amount of information we have.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good Luck!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ASaxon

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > AVON Independent Sales Representative

> > > > > www.yourAVON.com/apowers <http://www.youravon.com/apowers> <

> > http://www.youravon.com/apowers>

> >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Wayne at the AACE Guildlines on page 11 it says to do shots every 7 to 10 days.

Here is a link. Do your shots at home.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

Phil

Wayne Birdie <wayne_in_hawaii27@...> wrote:

Aloha Roy!

WOW! Thanks for the information. My doc IS anxious to find out about

my valleys and peaks already! I think the next time I see him I will

ask for the 100mg every week. For some reason, he thinks

he's " inconveniencing me by having to go to the clinic for a shot " !

HE'S NOT! It's walking distance (3 blocks away) and doesn't me good

to get out and move outside rather than just inside all the time.

Due to my 3 failed spine surgeries, I'm usless when it comes to

lifting anything over 15 pounds....and that is surprisingly little!

However, as far as the " inconvenience " , I find myself looking

forward to the walk and shots. I'd rather have a female nurse do it

than me anytime (shhhh, don't tell the wife!)LOLOL!

Thanks again Roy. You sound like you're doing GREAT!

Aloha for now,

Wayne

> > >

> > > One thing to remember with the book is that the part about

shots

> is

> > > outdated. It is my understanding from what others have said

> here that

> > > Dr. Shippen now uses shots.

> > >

> > > Mark

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Amy here is a link

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/forumdisplay.php?s= & daysprune= & f=9

You want the Men's Health Forum.

Phil

" Amy L. Powers " <apowers0900@...> wrote:

Rich - is this on or is this another website?

Thanks,

Amy

On 5/10/06, Rich wrote:

>

> Hi Amy-

> For my own two cents worth of contribution: in my case my injections

> of testosterone had -no- effect on my hypothyroidism. Depo-T is great

> for lowering my diabetics blood sugar, easing up my arthritic aches

> and pains, more energy to do things and generally having a brighter

> outlook on life - but my thyroid seemed completely oblivious to it,

> at least as far as the TSH levels show. If I miss my Synthroid pills

> for more than a few days, I'm in big trouble irregardless of how much

> (or how little) testosterone I use.

>

> Just thought I'd mention - in one of your earlier posts, you were

> right, the group here depends more on individual experiences than

> actual resident drs. Its more of a free-wheeling, " that sounds

> familiar " , bunch that as a collective mind can really be impressive

> if not downright scary in their intuitive powers (if I might suggest,

> adding the Meso-Rx board to your sources of info list too, they have

> one or two drs on the board who might have some ideas from a purely

> professional standpoint. Even on how to handle other drs.)

>

> (Btw, as mentioned above, Depo-T eases up my arthritic aches and

> pains. It does -not- get rid of them. I've got a bad rotator cup in

> my right shoulder. I was cleaning house today trying to get rid of

> some junk I'd collected over the years and found my old bowling ball

> from my youth when I use to bowl on a league. I tried lifting it up

> and swinging it and thought my arm was going to come off. I just love

> it when reality hits like that. Anybody wants a bowling ball, it's

> out in front of the house waiting for the trash pickup tomorrow. Its

> got a bowling bag and shoes. All yours.)

> Rich

>

>

>

> > > > > > I wasn't really looking for people to give me an idea as to

> > > what

> > > > > is wrong

> > > > > > with DH - I have plenty of ideas on that. The issues for

> me is

> > > > > figuring out

> > > > > > " what " to send to the GP to help light a fire under his

> butt.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sounds like you've already set your mind that TRT is the

> > > solution.

> > > > > I'm not sure it is in your DH's case. You don't want to be on

> > > TRT

> > > > > unless you truly have primary or secondary hypogonadism or

> some

> > > > > other chronic and incurable disease that causes hypogonadism

> of

> > > > > which you only want to relieve symptoms but not cure the

> problem.

> > > > > TRT is almost always lifelong so it's a serious decision.

> Most

> > > > > people here are constantly dealing with artificially

> balancing a

> > > > > very complex hormonal system. If certain hormones are too

> high

> > > you

> > > > > feel like crap, if they're too low you feel like crap. If a

> > > primary

> > > > > hormone causes a metabolite hormone to go high or low you feel

> > > like

> > > > > crap. That's why it's always better to treat the underlying

> > > issues,

> > > > > if any, before going on TRT. This should always be the

> approach

> > > to

> > > > > TRT when possible.

> > > > >

> > > > > If there are no underlying conditions then good TRT treatment

> can

> > > > > work wonders, bad TRT treatment can make things worse as can

> > > masking

> > > > > an underlying condition with TRT which would only cause that

> > > > > underlying condition to get worse. If the underlying

> condition

> > > is

> > > > > being treated and there's nothing more that can be done for it

> > > and

> > > > > hypogonadism still is present then TRT could help with

> symptoms.

> > > > >

> > > > > With that said, if you're heart is set on TRT then I think the

> > > > > reference pmgamer gave you, namely, the AACE guidelines and

> Dr.

> > > > > Crisler's TRT document are good reads. The AACE guidelines

> will

> > > > > have the most weight when talking to a doctor because they're

> a

> > > > > recognized organization. But without more test results it

> will

> > > be

> > > > > hard to make arguments based on the AACE guidelines. That's

> why

> > > we

> > > > > were pushing for more tests because without them it's

> difficult

> > > for

> > > > > us to help you make an argument for TRT to your doctor.

> > > > >

> > > > > You posted some test results but you didn't include the

> reference

> > > > > ranges. All test results need to have the reference ranges

> > > posted

> > > > > as every lab can use different tests and thus have different

> > > ranges

> > > > > which would make the measured results mean different things.

> > > You're

> > > > > DH may very well have clinical hypogonadism but it may not be

> his

> > > > > primary problem, and given your previous posts I would doubt

> > > that it

> > > > > is. I'm concerned that he may have a more serious problem.

> > > > > Something tells me that you know this but are not willing to

> say

> > > > > exactly what it is, that's okay, but our advice is limited

> only

> > > by

> > > > > the amount of information we have.

> > > > >

> > > > > Good Luck!

> > > > >

> > > > > ASaxon

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > AVON Independent Sales Representative

> > > > www.yourAVON.com/apowers <

> http://www.youravon.com/apowers>

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Aloha to you Wayne!

You are welcome. I was on 100mg a week and it was a little to high for me

drove the E2 too high so I reduced it down to 75mg or 80, it is hard to get

it exact on that small amount but now I am doing ok with the Total T and

am going to get another blood on Estriadol the 17th to see what it's doing.

I was on Arimidex every third day it and it fell too quickly I think because I

wasn'g feeling as well. So will find out then. Most guys need the 100mg.

My E2 started at 59 and it came down to 13 in 27 days. I was only

taking .25mg every 3rd day too, that stuff is powerful. Had to cut it four

ways and that is a SMALLl pill.

I don't blame you for having the 'nursey' do them for you if you are that

close, Ha! I won't tell your wife. I had one give me shots a long time ago

for years and I enjoyed it too. Now I give my own shots to save driving

17 miles, save gas too. No I don't get the peak and valles any more

like I did when I took them once a month or every two weeks. I guess

Phil takes a shot every 3 days to keep E down.

Well Wayne I am doing fine except for one thing, I can't orgasm. Now

that is the only problem that I will have to conquer. Phil suggested

that I try cialis which I will do when I go to the doctor again. But then

with all the meds I take and the fact that I am 83 I am doing quite well.

I have to use the pump but that is ok. Poor circulation in " Mr. Wiggly "

Thanks for your reply, (excuse errors as Phil says)

Many Blessings,

Roy

Wayne Birdie <wayne_in_hawaii27@...> wrote:

Aloha Roy!

WOW! Thanks for the information. My doc IS anxious to find out about

my valleys and peaks already! I think the next time I see him I will

ask for the 100mg every week. For some reason, he thinks

he's " inconveniencing me by having to go to the clinic for a shot " !

HE'S NOT! It's walking distance (3 blocks away) and doesn't me good

to get out and move outside rather than just inside all the time.

Due to my 3 failed spine surgeries, I'm usless when it comes to

lifting anything over 15 pounds....and that is surprisingly little!

However, as far as the " inconvenience " , I find myself looking

forward to the walk and shots. I'd rather have a female nurse do it

than me anytime (shhhh, don't tell the wife!)LOLOL!

Thanks again Roy. You sound like you're doing GREAT!

Aloha for now,

Wayne

> > >

> > > One thing to remember with the book is that the part about

shots

> is

> > > outdated. It is my understanding from what others have said

> here that

> > > Dr. Shippen now uses shots.

> > >

> > > Mark

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> Only one thing I wanted to underscore here for Amy...the reason

for

> wanting to get your DH's T levels up are so he feels wee enough to

> go through all the tests he will go through if you take aSaxons

> advice.

I don't have thyroid problems so I'm only going on what others have

said but from what I understand you can have great Testosterone

levels and still feel like crap. My recommendations are partially

based on this idea. I've also heard that Testosterone production

can be affected by thyroid problems. And from what I've read it has

always been recommended to fix thyroid issues before treating

testosterone treatments as testosterone can return to good levels

when thyroid is properly treated. That's what I've always heard

anyway.

> aSaxon did give you quite a list and I also read that article he

> referred you to, however, that is almost four years old already

> (correct me if I'm wrong here) and bigger strides have happened

> since.

Sadly that information is still very new to most of the medical

profession. And although Dr. surely has new finely tuned

techniques beyond what he published in that document it is still one

of the best protocols available for TRT. Now getting a doctor to

use it is another matter as it is not part of the standard TRT

protocols the medical profession uses but they are getting closer.

ASaxon

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ASaxon is on the money here. But with his Tryroid he is being treated and

nothing is working this could be low Ferritin or Adrenal Fatigue. And when

these are off Thyroid meds don't work because the meds can't get to the cells.

So this needs to be tested and if so is going to take months to fix. So going

on TRT will help him and her feel better.

Phil

asaxon67 <no_reply > wrote:

> Only one thing I wanted to underscore here for Amy...the reason

for

> wanting to get your DH's T levels up are so he feels wee enough to

> go through all the tests he will go through if you take aSaxons

> advice.

I don't have thyroid problems so I'm only going on what others have

said but from what I understand you can have great Testosterone

levels and still feel like crap. My recommendations are partially

based on this idea. I've also heard that Testosterone production

can be affected by thyroid problems. And from what I've read it has

always been recommended to fix thyroid issues before treating

testosterone treatments as testosterone can return to good levels

when thyroid is properly treated. That's what I've always heard

anyway.

> aSaxon did give you quite a list and I also read that article he

> referred you to, however, that is almost four years old already

> (correct me if I'm wrong here) and bigger strides have happened

> since.

Sadly that information is still very new to most of the medical

profession. And although Dr. surely has new finely tuned

techniques beyond what he published in that document it is still one

of the best protocols available for TRT. Now getting a doctor to

use it is another matter as it is not part of the standard TRT

protocols the medical profession uses but they are getting closer.

ASaxon

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Hey Roy!!!!

You and I have the SAME PROBLEM! I also am unable to have an orgasm

when I'm making love to my wife! No problems with the plumbing at

ALL because I CAN achieve orgasm through masturbation...HOWEVER (and

this is a big however!), each and every time that we've made love

lately I seem to be able to get just a little bit closer and a

little bit closer...so I'm figuring since I've been on TRT for a

little over a month and had ZERO libido, ZERO erections at

night/morning plus, when I DID do my " checks " to make sure my

plumbing was still working, I'd have a little pain in my abdomen and

THAT has gone away!

I've been in Chronic Pain for 9+ years and with blood pressure and

cholesterol all considered, TRT has been a real honest-to-God

BLESSING for me.

I can see and tell that my pain is lessened, my depression is

virtually GONE and I'm down to 5mgs from 20mgs of Celexa (a real sex

drive killer) and of course my wife has almost forgotten what a

sexual madman I was ten years ago and just this morning I jarred her

memory and she remembered! Funny that this should come up today! HA!

Just one last hurdle and I hope the rest of my life on TRT is as

good as it is now. I feel that one hurdle will be gone very soon.

Thanks Roy! And good for you too. I know other men hear and are

probably reading this that also take Viagra, Cialis (but not

Levitra...I wonder why?) just for that extra oomph! So go ahead if

your doc says you are physically healthy enough, why not? Enjoy your

life to the fullest. That's the way it should be, don't you think?

Or don't you? <wink>

Aloha for now,

Wayne

> > > >

> > > > One thing to remember with the book is that the part about

> shots

> > is

> > > > outdated. It is my understanding from what others have said

> > here that

> > > > Dr. Shippen now uses shots.

> > > >

> > > > Mark

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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I hear ya Phil, but I didn't get the sense that his thyroid was being

successfully treated or that they were being aggressive about it.

Obviously, I'm still not convinced that he's been tested enough to

figure out what's going on or to make a suggestion as to what

treatment he should seek. I think he's got even more testing to do

before he should be on TRT like having his gonadatropins tested and

possibly an MRI.

If his thyroid is way out of whack then I doubt TRT will do much to

help his symptoms as thyroid problems can counteract almost every

benefit of TRT which includes libido, cognitive function and mood from

what I understand. Since he didn't have radioiodine ablation there's

no telling what his thyroid is doing without good testing.

If this is his only opportunity to try TRT because his GP is currently

open to it then perhaps it's worth trying but I'd hate to see mistakes

made just because someone is desperate for a solution which may or may

not be TRT.

ASaxon

>

> ASaxon is on the money here. But with his Tryroid he is being

treated and nothing is working this could be low Ferritin or Adrenal

Fatigue. And when these are off Thyroid meds don't work because the

meds can't get to the cells. So this needs to be tested and if so is

going to take months to fix. So going on TRT will help him and her

feel better.

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Hell it is dam hard to find a good Dr. to treat low T now my wife has Thyroid

problems and in the last 15 yrs. many Dr.'s she is still not right. So hear we

are with the same problem finding a good Dr. to treat his Thyroid. I found out

why Thy. meds did not work for my wife thanks to at this site.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

She has low Cortisol and Ferritin and her Thyroglobulin AB test came back very

High she as 15 yrs. ago RAI and never has felt good. The tests we did came from

the site. She is seeing a new DR. that we found at the Armour Sit. I under

stand when one is low on this the Thr. meds don't get to the cells and stay in

the blood stream and the more it is uppped the worse one feels going hyper

because the meds are not getting into the cells. The poot guy needs to start

some where.

Phil

asaxon67 <no_reply > wrote:

I hear ya Phil, but I didn't get the sense that his thyroid was being

successfully treated or that they were being aggressive about it.

Obviously, I'm still not convinced that he's been tested enough to

figure out what's going on or to make a suggestion as to what

treatment he should seek. I think he's got even more testing to do

before he should be on TRT like having his gonadatropins tested and

possibly an MRI.

If his thyroid is way out of whack then I doubt TRT will do much to

help his symptoms as thyroid problems can counteract almost every

benefit of TRT which includes libido, cognitive function and mood from

what I understand. Since he didn't have radioiodine ablation there's

no telling what his thyroid is doing without good testing.

If this is his only opportunity to try TRT because his GP is currently

open to it then perhaps it's worth trying but I'd hate to see mistakes

made just because someone is desperate for a solution which may or may

not be TRT.

ASaxon

>

> ASaxon is on the money here. But with his Tryroid he is being

treated and nothing is working this could be low Ferritin or Adrenal

Fatigue. And when these are off Thyroid meds don't work because the

meds can't get to the cells. So this needs to be tested and if so is

going to take months to fix. So going on TRT will help him and her

feel better.

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