Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Aloha Roy! WOW! Thanks for the information. My doc IS anxious to find out about my valleys and peaks already! I think the next time I see him I will ask for the 100mg every week. For some reason, he thinks he's " inconveniencing me by having to go to the clinic for a shot " ! HE'S NOT! It's walking distance (3 blocks away) and doesn't me good to get out and move outside rather than just inside all the time. Due to my 3 failed spine surgeries, I'm usless when it comes to lifting anything over 15 pounds....and that is surprisingly little! However, as far as the " inconvenience " , I find myself looking forward to the walk and shots. I'd rather have a female nurse do it than me anytime (shhhh, don't tell the wife!)LOLOL! Thanks again Roy. You sound like you're doing GREAT! Aloha for now, Wayne > > > > > > One thing to remember with the book is that the part about shots > is > > > outdated. It is my understanding from what others have said > here that > > > Dr. Shippen now uses shots. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Hi Amy- For my own two cents worth of contribution: in my case my injections of testosterone had -no- effect on my hypothyroidism. Depo-T is great for lowering my diabetics blood sugar, easing up my arthritic aches and pains, more energy to do things and generally having a brighter outlook on life - but my thyroid seemed completely oblivious to it, at least as far as the TSH levels show. If I miss my Synthroid pills for more than a few days, I'm in big trouble irregardless of how much (or how little) testosterone I use. Just thought I'd mention - in one of your earlier posts, you were right, the group here depends more on individual experiences than actual resident drs. Its more of a free-wheeling, " that sounds familiar " , bunch that as a collective mind can really be impressive if not downright scary in their intuitive powers (if I might suggest, adding the Meso-Rx board to your sources of info list too, they have one or two drs on the board who might have some ideas from a purely professional standpoint. Even on how to handle other drs.) (Btw, as mentioned above, Depo-T eases up my arthritic aches and pains. It does -not- get rid of them. I've got a bad rotator cup in my right shoulder. I was cleaning house today trying to get rid of some junk I'd collected over the years and found my old bowling ball from my youth when I use to bowl on a league. I tried lifting it up and swinging it and thought my arm was going to come off. I just love it when reality hits like that. Anybody wants a bowling ball, it's out in front of the house waiting for the trash pickup tomorrow. Its got a bowling bag and shoes. All yours.) Rich > > > > > I wasn't really looking for people to give me an idea as to > > what > > > > is wrong > > > > > with DH - I have plenty of ideas on that. The issues for me is > > > > figuring out > > > > > " what " to send to the GP to help light a fire under his butt. > > > > > > > > Sounds like you've already set your mind that TRT is the > > solution. > > > > I'm not sure it is in your DH's case. You don't want to be on > > TRT > > > > unless you truly have primary or secondary hypogonadism or some > > > > other chronic and incurable disease that causes hypogonadism of > > > > which you only want to relieve symptoms but not cure the problem. > > > > TRT is almost always lifelong so it's a serious decision. Most > > > > people here are constantly dealing with artificially balancing a > > > > very complex hormonal system. If certain hormones are too high > > you > > > > feel like crap, if they're too low you feel like crap. If a > > primary > > > > hormone causes a metabolite hormone to go high or low you feel > > like > > > > crap. That's why it's always better to treat the underlying > > issues, > > > > if any, before going on TRT. This should always be the approach > > to > > > > TRT when possible. > > > > > > > > If there are no underlying conditions then good TRT treatment can > > > > work wonders, bad TRT treatment can make things worse as can > > masking > > > > an underlying condition with TRT which would only cause that > > > > underlying condition to get worse. If the underlying condition > > is > > > > being treated and there's nothing more that can be done for it > > and > > > > hypogonadism still is present then TRT could help with symptoms. > > > > > > > > With that said, if you're heart is set on TRT then I think the > > > > reference pmgamer gave you, namely, the AACE guidelines and Dr. > > > > Crisler's TRT document are good reads. The AACE guidelines will > > > > have the most weight when talking to a doctor because they're a > > > > recognized organization. But without more test results it will > > be > > > > hard to make arguments based on the AACE guidelines. That's why > > we > > > > were pushing for more tests because without them it's difficult > > for > > > > us to help you make an argument for TRT to your doctor. > > > > > > > > You posted some test results but you didn't include the reference > > > > ranges. All test results need to have the reference ranges > > posted > > > > as every lab can use different tests and thus have different > > ranges > > > > which would make the measured results mean different things. > > You're > > > > DH may very well have clinical hypogonadism but it may not be his > > > > primary problem, and given your previous posts I would doubt > > that it > > > > is. I'm concerned that he may have a more serious problem. > > > > Something tells me that you know this but are not willing to say > > > > exactly what it is, that's okay, but our advice is limited only > > by > > > > the amount of information we have. > > > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > > > ASaxon > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AVON Independent Sales Representative > > > www.yourAVON.com/apowers <http://www.youravon.com/apowers> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Rich - is this on or is this another website? Thanks, Amy On 5/10/06, Rich <caliconine@...> wrote: > > Hi Amy- > For my own two cents worth of contribution: in my case my injections > of testosterone had -no- effect on my hypothyroidism. Depo-T is great > for lowering my diabetics blood sugar, easing up my arthritic aches > and pains, more energy to do things and generally having a brighter > outlook on life - but my thyroid seemed completely oblivious to it, > at least as far as the TSH levels show. If I miss my Synthroid pills > for more than a few days, I'm in big trouble irregardless of how much > (or how little) testosterone I use. > > Just thought I'd mention - in one of your earlier posts, you were > right, the group here depends more on individual experiences than > actual resident drs. Its more of a free-wheeling, " that sounds > familiar " , bunch that as a collective mind can really be impressive > if not downright scary in their intuitive powers (if I might suggest, > adding the Meso-Rx board to your sources of info list too, they have > one or two drs on the board who might have some ideas from a purely > professional standpoint. Even on how to handle other drs.) > > (Btw, as mentioned above, Depo-T eases up my arthritic aches and > pains. It does -not- get rid of them. I've got a bad rotator cup in > my right shoulder. I was cleaning house today trying to get rid of > some junk I'd collected over the years and found my old bowling ball > from my youth when I use to bowl on a league. I tried lifting it up > and swinging it and thought my arm was going to come off. I just love > it when reality hits like that. Anybody wants a bowling ball, it's > out in front of the house waiting for the trash pickup tomorrow. Its > got a bowling bag and shoes. All yours.) > Rich > > > > > > > > > I wasn't really looking for people to give me an idea as to > > > what > > > > > is wrong > > > > > > with DH - I have plenty of ideas on that. The issues for > me is > > > > > figuring out > > > > > > " what " to send to the GP to help light a fire under his > butt. > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like you've already set your mind that TRT is the > > > solution. > > > > > I'm not sure it is in your DH's case. You don't want to be on > > > TRT > > > > > unless you truly have primary or secondary hypogonadism or > some > > > > > other chronic and incurable disease that causes hypogonadism > of > > > > > which you only want to relieve symptoms but not cure the > problem. > > > > > TRT is almost always lifelong so it's a serious decision. > Most > > > > > people here are constantly dealing with artificially > balancing a > > > > > very complex hormonal system. If certain hormones are too > high > > > you > > > > > feel like crap, if they're too low you feel like crap. If a > > > primary > > > > > hormone causes a metabolite hormone to go high or low you feel > > > like > > > > > crap. That's why it's always better to treat the underlying > > > issues, > > > > > if any, before going on TRT. This should always be the > approach > > > to > > > > > TRT when possible. > > > > > > > > > > If there are no underlying conditions then good TRT treatment > can > > > > > work wonders, bad TRT treatment can make things worse as can > > > masking > > > > > an underlying condition with TRT which would only cause that > > > > > underlying condition to get worse. If the underlying > condition > > > is > > > > > being treated and there's nothing more that can be done for it > > > and > > > > > hypogonadism still is present then TRT could help with > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > With that said, if you're heart is set on TRT then I think the > > > > > reference pmgamer gave you, namely, the AACE guidelines and > Dr. > > > > > Crisler's TRT document are good reads. The AACE guidelines > will > > > > > have the most weight when talking to a doctor because they're > a > > > > > recognized organization. But without more test results it > will > > > be > > > > > hard to make arguments based on the AACE guidelines. That's > why > > > we > > > > > were pushing for more tests because without them it's > difficult > > > for > > > > > us to help you make an argument for TRT to your doctor. > > > > > > > > > > You posted some test results but you didn't include the > reference > > > > > ranges. All test results need to have the reference ranges > > > posted > > > > > as every lab can use different tests and thus have different > > > ranges > > > > > which would make the measured results mean different things. > > > You're > > > > > DH may very well have clinical hypogonadism but it may not be > his > > > > > primary problem, and given your previous posts I would doubt > > > that it > > > > > is. I'm concerned that he may have a more serious problem. > > > > > Something tells me that you know this but are not willing to > say > > > > > exactly what it is, that's okay, but our advice is limited > only > > > by > > > > > the amount of information we have. > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > > > > > ASaxon > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > AVON Independent Sales Representative > > > > www.yourAVON.com/apowers <http://www.youravon.com/apowers> < > http://www.youravon.com/apowers> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Amy- Its on its own website. You need to register (free.) http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/index.php Rich > > > > > > > I wasn't really looking for people to give me an idea as to > > > > what > > > > > > is wrong > > > > > > > with DH - I have plenty of ideas on that. The issues for > > me is > > > > > > figuring out > > > > > > > " what " to send to the GP to help light a fire under his > > butt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like you've already set your mind that TRT is the > > > > solution. > > > > > > I'm not sure it is in your DH's case. You don't want to be on > > > > TRT > > > > > > unless you truly have primary or secondary hypogonadism or > > some > > > > > > other chronic and incurable disease that causes hypogonadism > > of > > > > > > which you only want to relieve symptoms but not cure the > > problem. > > > > > > TRT is almost always lifelong so it's a serious decision. > > Most > > > > > > people here are constantly dealing with artificially > > balancing a > > > > > > very complex hormonal system. If certain hormones are too > > high > > > > you > > > > > > feel like crap, if they're too low you feel like crap. If a > > > > primary > > > > > > hormone causes a metabolite hormone to go high or low you feel > > > > like > > > > > > crap. That's why it's always better to treat the underlying > > > > issues, > > > > > > if any, before going on TRT. This should always be the > > approach > > > > to > > > > > > TRT when possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are no underlying conditions then good TRT treatment > > can > > > > > > work wonders, bad TRT treatment can make things worse as can > > > > masking > > > > > > an underlying condition with TRT which would only cause that > > > > > > underlying condition to get worse. If the underlying > > condition > > > > is > > > > > > being treated and there's nothing more that can be done for it > > > > and > > > > > > hypogonadism still is present then TRT could help with > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > With that said, if you're heart is set on TRT then I think the > > > > > > reference pmgamer gave you, namely, the AACE guidelines and > > Dr. > > > > > > Crisler's TRT document are good reads. The AACE guidelines > > will > > > > > > have the most weight when talking to a doctor because they're > > a > > > > > > recognized organization. But without more test results it > > will > > > > be > > > > > > hard to make arguments based on the AACE guidelines. That's > > why > > > > we > > > > > > were pushing for more tests because without them it's > > difficult > > > > for > > > > > > us to help you make an argument for TRT to your doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > You posted some test results but you didn't include the > > reference > > > > > > ranges. All test results need to have the reference ranges > > > > posted > > > > > > as every lab can use different tests and thus have different > > > > ranges > > > > > > which would make the measured results mean different things. > > > > You're > > > > > > DH may very well have clinical hypogonadism but it may not be > > his > > > > > > primary problem, and given your previous posts I would doubt > > > > that it > > > > > > is. I'm concerned that he may have a more serious problem. > > > > > > Something tells me that you know this but are not willing to > > say > > > > > > exactly what it is, that's okay, but our advice is limited > > only > > > > by > > > > > > the amount of information we have. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > ASaxon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > AVON Independent Sales Representative > > > > > www.yourAVON.com/apowers <http://www.youravon.com/apowers> < > > http://www.youravon.com/apowers> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Wayne at the AACE Guildlines on page 11 it says to do shots every 7 to 10 days. Here is a link. Do your shots at home. http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf Phil Wayne Birdie <wayne_in_hawaii27@...> wrote: Aloha Roy! WOW! Thanks for the information. My doc IS anxious to find out about my valleys and peaks already! I think the next time I see him I will ask for the 100mg every week. For some reason, he thinks he's " inconveniencing me by having to go to the clinic for a shot " ! HE'S NOT! It's walking distance (3 blocks away) and doesn't me good to get out and move outside rather than just inside all the time. Due to my 3 failed spine surgeries, I'm usless when it comes to lifting anything over 15 pounds....and that is surprisingly little! However, as far as the " inconvenience " , I find myself looking forward to the walk and shots. I'd rather have a female nurse do it than me anytime (shhhh, don't tell the wife!)LOLOL! Thanks again Roy. You sound like you're doing GREAT! Aloha for now, Wayne > > > > > > One thing to remember with the book is that the part about shots > is > > > outdated. It is my understanding from what others have said > here that > > > Dr. Shippen now uses shots. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Amy here is a link http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/forumdisplay.php?s= & daysprune= & f=9 You want the Men's Health Forum. Phil " Amy L. Powers " <apowers0900@...> wrote: Rich - is this on or is this another website? Thanks, Amy On 5/10/06, Rich wrote: > > Hi Amy- > For my own two cents worth of contribution: in my case my injections > of testosterone had -no- effect on my hypothyroidism. Depo-T is great > for lowering my diabetics blood sugar, easing up my arthritic aches > and pains, more energy to do things and generally having a brighter > outlook on life - but my thyroid seemed completely oblivious to it, > at least as far as the TSH levels show. If I miss my Synthroid pills > for more than a few days, I'm in big trouble irregardless of how much > (or how little) testosterone I use. > > Just thought I'd mention - in one of your earlier posts, you were > right, the group here depends more on individual experiences than > actual resident drs. Its more of a free-wheeling, " that sounds > familiar " , bunch that as a collective mind can really be impressive > if not downright scary in their intuitive powers (if I might suggest, > adding the Meso-Rx board to your sources of info list too, they have > one or two drs on the board who might have some ideas from a purely > professional standpoint. Even on how to handle other drs.) > > (Btw, as mentioned above, Depo-T eases up my arthritic aches and > pains. It does -not- get rid of them. I've got a bad rotator cup in > my right shoulder. I was cleaning house today trying to get rid of > some junk I'd collected over the years and found my old bowling ball > from my youth when I use to bowl on a league. I tried lifting it up > and swinging it and thought my arm was going to come off. I just love > it when reality hits like that. Anybody wants a bowling ball, it's > out in front of the house waiting for the trash pickup tomorrow. Its > got a bowling bag and shoes. All yours.) > Rich > > > > > > > > > I wasn't really looking for people to give me an idea as to > > > what > > > > > is wrong > > > > > > with DH - I have plenty of ideas on that. The issues for > me is > > > > > figuring out > > > > > > " what " to send to the GP to help light a fire under his > butt. > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like you've already set your mind that TRT is the > > > solution. > > > > > I'm not sure it is in your DH's case. You don't want to be on > > > TRT > > > > > unless you truly have primary or secondary hypogonadism or > some > > > > > other chronic and incurable disease that causes hypogonadism > of > > > > > which you only want to relieve symptoms but not cure the > problem. > > > > > TRT is almost always lifelong so it's a serious decision. > Most > > > > > people here are constantly dealing with artificially > balancing a > > > > > very complex hormonal system. If certain hormones are too > high > > > you > > > > > feel like crap, if they're too low you feel like crap. If a > > > primary > > > > > hormone causes a metabolite hormone to go high or low you feel > > > like > > > > > crap. That's why it's always better to treat the underlying > > > issues, > > > > > if any, before going on TRT. This should always be the > approach > > > to > > > > > TRT when possible. > > > > > > > > > > If there are no underlying conditions then good TRT treatment > can > > > > > work wonders, bad TRT treatment can make things worse as can > > > masking > > > > > an underlying condition with TRT which would only cause that > > > > > underlying condition to get worse. If the underlying > condition > > > is > > > > > being treated and there's nothing more that can be done for it > > > and > > > > > hypogonadism still is present then TRT could help with > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > With that said, if you're heart is set on TRT then I think the > > > > > reference pmgamer gave you, namely, the AACE guidelines and > Dr. > > > > > Crisler's TRT document are good reads. The AACE guidelines > will > > > > > have the most weight when talking to a doctor because they're > a > > > > > recognized organization. But without more test results it > will > > > be > > > > > hard to make arguments based on the AACE guidelines. That's > why > > > we > > > > > were pushing for more tests because without them it's > difficult > > > for > > > > > us to help you make an argument for TRT to your doctor. > > > > > > > > > > You posted some test results but you didn't include the > reference > > > > > ranges. All test results need to have the reference ranges > > > posted > > > > > as every lab can use different tests and thus have different > > > ranges > > > > > which would make the measured results mean different things. > > > You're > > > > > DH may very well have clinical hypogonadism but it may not be > his > > > > > primary problem, and given your previous posts I would doubt > > > that it > > > > > is. I'm concerned that he may have a more serious problem. > > > > > Something tells me that you know this but are not willing to > say > > > > > exactly what it is, that's okay, but our advice is limited > only > > > by > > > > > the amount of information we have. > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > > > > > ASaxon > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > AVON Independent Sales Representative > > > > www.yourAVON.com/apowers < > http://www.youravon.com/apowers> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Aloha to you Wayne! You are welcome. I was on 100mg a week and it was a little to high for me drove the E2 too high so I reduced it down to 75mg or 80, it is hard to get it exact on that small amount but now I am doing ok with the Total T and am going to get another blood on Estriadol the 17th to see what it's doing. I was on Arimidex every third day it and it fell too quickly I think because I wasn'g feeling as well. So will find out then. Most guys need the 100mg. My E2 started at 59 and it came down to 13 in 27 days. I was only taking .25mg every 3rd day too, that stuff is powerful. Had to cut it four ways and that is a SMALLl pill. I don't blame you for having the 'nursey' do them for you if you are that close, Ha! I won't tell your wife. I had one give me shots a long time ago for years and I enjoyed it too. Now I give my own shots to save driving 17 miles, save gas too. No I don't get the peak and valles any more like I did when I took them once a month or every two weeks. I guess Phil takes a shot every 3 days to keep E down. Well Wayne I am doing fine except for one thing, I can't orgasm. Now that is the only problem that I will have to conquer. Phil suggested that I try cialis which I will do when I go to the doctor again. But then with all the meds I take and the fact that I am 83 I am doing quite well. I have to use the pump but that is ok. Poor circulation in " Mr. Wiggly " Thanks for your reply, (excuse errors as Phil says) Many Blessings, Roy Wayne Birdie <wayne_in_hawaii27@...> wrote: Aloha Roy! WOW! Thanks for the information. My doc IS anxious to find out about my valleys and peaks already! I think the next time I see him I will ask for the 100mg every week. For some reason, he thinks he's " inconveniencing me by having to go to the clinic for a shot " ! HE'S NOT! It's walking distance (3 blocks away) and doesn't me good to get out and move outside rather than just inside all the time. Due to my 3 failed spine surgeries, I'm usless when it comes to lifting anything over 15 pounds....and that is surprisingly little! However, as far as the " inconvenience " , I find myself looking forward to the walk and shots. I'd rather have a female nurse do it than me anytime (shhhh, don't tell the wife!)LOLOL! Thanks again Roy. You sound like you're doing GREAT! Aloha for now, Wayne > > > > > > One thing to remember with the book is that the part about shots > is > > > outdated. It is my understanding from what others have said > here that > > > Dr. Shippen now uses shots. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 > Only one thing I wanted to underscore here for Amy...the reason for > wanting to get your DH's T levels up are so he feels wee enough to > go through all the tests he will go through if you take aSaxons > advice. I don't have thyroid problems so I'm only going on what others have said but from what I understand you can have great Testosterone levels and still feel like crap. My recommendations are partially based on this idea. I've also heard that Testosterone production can be affected by thyroid problems. And from what I've read it has always been recommended to fix thyroid issues before treating testosterone treatments as testosterone can return to good levels when thyroid is properly treated. That's what I've always heard anyway. > aSaxon did give you quite a list and I also read that article he > referred you to, however, that is almost four years old already > (correct me if I'm wrong here) and bigger strides have happened > since. Sadly that information is still very new to most of the medical profession. And although Dr. surely has new finely tuned techniques beyond what he published in that document it is still one of the best protocols available for TRT. Now getting a doctor to use it is another matter as it is not part of the standard TRT protocols the medical profession uses but they are getting closer. ASaxon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 ASaxon is on the money here. But with his Tryroid he is being treated and nothing is working this could be low Ferritin or Adrenal Fatigue. And when these are off Thyroid meds don't work because the meds can't get to the cells. So this needs to be tested and if so is going to take months to fix. So going on TRT will help him and her feel better. Phil asaxon67 <no_reply > wrote: > Only one thing I wanted to underscore here for Amy...the reason for > wanting to get your DH's T levels up are so he feels wee enough to > go through all the tests he will go through if you take aSaxons > advice. I don't have thyroid problems so I'm only going on what others have said but from what I understand you can have great Testosterone levels and still feel like crap. My recommendations are partially based on this idea. I've also heard that Testosterone production can be affected by thyroid problems. And from what I've read it has always been recommended to fix thyroid issues before treating testosterone treatments as testosterone can return to good levels when thyroid is properly treated. That's what I've always heard anyway. > aSaxon did give you quite a list and I also read that article he > referred you to, however, that is almost four years old already > (correct me if I'm wrong here) and bigger strides have happened > since. Sadly that information is still very new to most of the medical profession. And although Dr. surely has new finely tuned techniques beyond what he published in that document it is still one of the best protocols available for TRT. Now getting a doctor to use it is another matter as it is not part of the standard TRT protocols the medical profession uses but they are getting closer. ASaxon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Hey Roy!!!! You and I have the SAME PROBLEM! I also am unable to have an orgasm when I'm making love to my wife! No problems with the plumbing at ALL because I CAN achieve orgasm through masturbation...HOWEVER (and this is a big however!), each and every time that we've made love lately I seem to be able to get just a little bit closer and a little bit closer...so I'm figuring since I've been on TRT for a little over a month and had ZERO libido, ZERO erections at night/morning plus, when I DID do my " checks " to make sure my plumbing was still working, I'd have a little pain in my abdomen and THAT has gone away! I've been in Chronic Pain for 9+ years and with blood pressure and cholesterol all considered, TRT has been a real honest-to-God BLESSING for me. I can see and tell that my pain is lessened, my depression is virtually GONE and I'm down to 5mgs from 20mgs of Celexa (a real sex drive killer) and of course my wife has almost forgotten what a sexual madman I was ten years ago and just this morning I jarred her memory and she remembered! Funny that this should come up today! HA! Just one last hurdle and I hope the rest of my life on TRT is as good as it is now. I feel that one hurdle will be gone very soon. Thanks Roy! And good for you too. I know other men hear and are probably reading this that also take Viagra, Cialis (but not Levitra...I wonder why?) just for that extra oomph! So go ahead if your doc says you are physically healthy enough, why not? Enjoy your life to the fullest. That's the way it should be, don't you think? Or don't you? <wink> Aloha for now, Wayne > > > > > > > > One thing to remember with the book is that the part about > shots > > is > > > > outdated. It is my understanding from what others have said > > here that > > > > Dr. Shippen now uses shots. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 I hear ya Phil, but I didn't get the sense that his thyroid was being successfully treated or that they were being aggressive about it. Obviously, I'm still not convinced that he's been tested enough to figure out what's going on or to make a suggestion as to what treatment he should seek. I think he's got even more testing to do before he should be on TRT like having his gonadatropins tested and possibly an MRI. If his thyroid is way out of whack then I doubt TRT will do much to help his symptoms as thyroid problems can counteract almost every benefit of TRT which includes libido, cognitive function and mood from what I understand. Since he didn't have radioiodine ablation there's no telling what his thyroid is doing without good testing. If this is his only opportunity to try TRT because his GP is currently open to it then perhaps it's worth trying but I'd hate to see mistakes made just because someone is desperate for a solution which may or may not be TRT. ASaxon > > ASaxon is on the money here. But with his Tryroid he is being treated and nothing is working this could be low Ferritin or Adrenal Fatigue. And when these are off Thyroid meds don't work because the meds can't get to the cells. So this needs to be tested and if so is going to take months to fix. So going on TRT will help him and her feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Hell it is dam hard to find a good Dr. to treat low T now my wife has Thyroid problems and in the last 15 yrs. many Dr.'s she is still not right. So hear we are with the same problem finding a good Dr. to treat his Thyroid. I found out why Thy. meds did not work for my wife thanks to at this site. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ She has low Cortisol and Ferritin and her Thyroglobulin AB test came back very High she as 15 yrs. ago RAI and never has felt good. The tests we did came from the site. She is seeing a new DR. that we found at the Armour Sit. I under stand when one is low on this the Thr. meds don't get to the cells and stay in the blood stream and the more it is uppped the worse one feels going hyper because the meds are not getting into the cells. The poot guy needs to start some where. Phil asaxon67 <no_reply > wrote: I hear ya Phil, but I didn't get the sense that his thyroid was being successfully treated or that they were being aggressive about it. Obviously, I'm still not convinced that he's been tested enough to figure out what's going on or to make a suggestion as to what treatment he should seek. I think he's got even more testing to do before he should be on TRT like having his gonadatropins tested and possibly an MRI. If his thyroid is way out of whack then I doubt TRT will do much to help his symptoms as thyroid problems can counteract almost every benefit of TRT which includes libido, cognitive function and mood from what I understand. Since he didn't have radioiodine ablation there's no telling what his thyroid is doing without good testing. If this is his only opportunity to try TRT because his GP is currently open to it then perhaps it's worth trying but I'd hate to see mistakes made just because someone is desperate for a solution which may or may not be TRT. ASaxon > > ASaxon is on the money here. But with his Tryroid he is being treated and nothing is working this could be low Ferritin or Adrenal Fatigue. And when these are off Thyroid meds don't work because the meds can't get to the cells. So this needs to be tested and if so is going to take months to fix. So going on TRT will help him and her feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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