Re: using Epsom salts during a gallstone attack

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yes ive used epsom salts successfully

and also raw beef

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Hi, yes, I have used it during pain, and it does ease the pain and

takes the pressure off. Some of us use a teaspoon per day mixed in some

water. I put it in a 16oz bottle and sip it. Tastes like mineral water.

Kathy

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I have wondered about that lately. It should theoretically work.

Glenda

z_wloka2 wrote:

> I read that Epsom salts are used to enlarge the ducts during a flush

> so that larger stones can get through.

>

> Has anyone used the Epsom salts during a gallstone attack, to make it

> easier for the stone (causing the pain) to pass?

>

> Thanks,

> Zora

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Zora wrote:

>read that Epsom salts are used to enlarge the ducts during a flush

>so that larger stones can get through.

Is there any evidence that this assertion is accurate?

Kathy wrote:

>Hi, yes, I have used it during pain, and it does ease the pain and

>takes the pressure off. Some of us use a teaspoon per day mixed in some

>water. I put it in a 16oz bottle and sip it. Tastes like mineral water.

Taking laxatives regularly is alleged to be a bad influence on the

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, I think Zora asked if there is scientific

evidence that this assertion is accurate. That is my

question too. Could you or any others tell us if there

are scientific citations/references? And where can I

find them?

Thanks,

Xue-Feng

--- " L. Meydrech "

<claudiameydrech@...> wrote: > > Zora wrote:

> > >read that Epsom salts are used to enlarge the

> ducts during a flush

> > >so that larger stones can get through.

> >

> > Is there any evidence that this assertion is

> accurate?

>

> Epsom Salts are Magnesium Sulfate...Magnesium has a

> relaxing affect on smooth muscle tissue, it relaxes

> the

> ducts, they do not contract as much, and are

> flexible enough

> to allow larger than expected things to pass. At the

> expense

> of being graphic, I suppose it is similar to what

> passes

> through our bowels, the colon allows things to pass

> that

> are larger than the size of the colon. The evidence

> is in

> doing a flush and seeing for yourself, as many of us

> have

> done :-)

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My

> Flushes

> http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

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>

> >

> > Kathy wrote:

> > >Hi, yes, I have used it during pain, and it does

> ease the pain and

> > >takes the pressure off. Some of us use a teaspoon

> per day mixed in some

> > >water. I put it in a 16oz bottle and sip it.

> Tastes like mineral water.

> >

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> Zora wrote:

> >read that Epsom salts are used to enlarge the ducts during a flush

> >so that larger stones can get through.

>

> Is there any evidence that this assertion is accurate?

Epsom Salts are Magnesium Sulfate...Magnesium has a

relaxing affect on smooth muscle tissue, it relaxes the

ducts, they do not contract as much, and are flexible enough

to allow larger than expected things to pass. At the expense

of being graphic, I suppose it is similar to what passes

through our bowels, the colon allows things to pass that

are larger than the size of the colon. The evidence is in

doing a flush and seeing for yourself, as many of us have

done :-)

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

mailto:claudiameydrech@...

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

Remember our military with your prayers and support!

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>

> Kathy wrote:

> >Hi, yes, I have used it during pain, and it does ease the pain and

> >takes the pressure off. Some of us use a teaspoon per day mixed in some

> >water. I put it in a 16oz bottle and sip it. Tastes like mineral water.

>

> Taking laxatives regularly is alleged to be a bad influence on the

> digestive system.

>

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Thank you very much for your comment and link.

However, " scientific evidence " should be publicated in

a refereed scientific publication, not just a web

link, in particular, the web site

http://www.upnaway.com.au is not a web site for

scientific publications.

I am very interested in this and I talked with my

family doctor. I showed her everything I printed from

http://www.curezone.com/

She told me that there are no scientific evidences on

this issue. She said that she heard someone is getting

better, but others are not. She also said someone is

getting better that it could be just people start to

care what they eat.

I need more help for my confidence to use these

motheds. It is really about my life. On the other

hand, I am a scientist. So I have to make everthing

clear before I do it.

Thank you very much,

Xue-Feng

--- " L. Meydrech "

<claudiameydrech@...> wrote: > > , I

think Zora asked if there is scientific

> > evidence that this assertion is accurate. That is

> my

> > question too. Could you or any others tell us if

> there

> > are scientific citations/references? And where can

> I

> > find them?

>

>

http://www.upnaway.com.au/poliowa/Magnesium%20Mucle%20Relaxation.html

>

> Here's just one I found with quick Google search

> with

> words " magnesium relax muscles " in search box,

> there are many others. But I

> know this also from my own study as a Nutritionist.

> We encourage magnesium use for the heart, just as

> Potassium helps contraction of the heart (so

> important,

> esp. in the summer when the body " sweats out "

> potassium, to supplement this) so Magnesium helps

> in relaxing action of the heart. It does relax all

> smoothe

> muscle tissue, you'll find info on that. We also

> encourange it's

> use in helping the body to assimilate calcium. You

> may

> find sites that mention it related to relaxing ducts

> in

> gallbladder, but this may be harder, as the

> scientists

> and medical community do not want to accept this as

> a valid form of treating the gallbladder...so you

> have to

> make some educated deductions of your own.

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My

> Flushes

> http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

> mailto:claudiameydrech@...

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> Remember our military with your prayers and support!

> " God bless America...(and all His people throughout

> the world)...stand beside us, and guide us "

>

>

>

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No, I don't believe that this is just what you

believe. There should be some reasons.

I hope that someone can give me more hints.

Thanks,

Xue-Feng

--- " L. Meydrech "

<claudiameydrech@...> wrote: > > However,

" scientific evidence " should be

> publicated in

> > a refereed scientific publication, not just a web

> > link, in particular, the web site

> > http://www.upnaway.com.au is not a web site for

> > scientific publications.

> >

> > I am very interested in this and I talked with my

> > family doctor. I showed her everything I printed

> from

> > http://www.curezone.com/

> > She told me that there are no scientific evidences

> on

> > this issue. She said that she heard someone is

> getting

> > better, but others are not. She also said someone

> is

> > getting better that it could be just people start

> to

> > care what they eat.

> >

> > I need more help for my confidence to use these

> > motheds. It is really about my life. On the other

> > hand, I am a scientist. So I have to make

> everthing

> > clear before I do it.

> >

> > Thank you very much,

> >

> > Xue-Feng

>

> As a skeptic myself, who want to know for sure about

> things, I do understand your feelings. But your

> email

> is again expressing the constant struggle between

> scientific/medical community and those who embrace

> alternative medicine. It is to bad that they cannot

> come

> together...until then, we have to make some choices

> of our own, and whatever you chose, I trust it will

> be

> the very best thing for you.

>

> God bless,

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My

> Flushes

> http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

> mailto:claudiameydrech@...

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> Remember our military with your prayers and support!

> " God bless America...(and all His people throughout

> the world)...stand beside us, and guide us "

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> , I think Zora asked if there is scientific

> evidence that this assertion is accurate. That is my

> question too. Could you or any others tell us if there

> are scientific citations/references? And where can I

> find them?

http://www.upnaway.com.au/poliowa/Magnesium%20Mucle%20Relaxation.html

Here's just one I found with quick Google search with

words " magnesium relax muscles " in search box,

there are many others. But I

know this also from my own study as a Nutritionist.

We encourage magnesium use for the heart, just as

Potassium helps contraction of the heart (so important,

esp. in the summer when the body " sweats out "

potassium, to supplement this) so Magnesium helps

in relaxing action of the heart. It does relax all smoothe

muscle tissue, you'll find info on that. We also encourange it's

use in helping the body to assimilate calcium. You may

find sites that mention it related to relaxing ducts in

gallbladder, but this may be harder, as the scientists

and medical community do not want to accept this as

a valid form of treating the gallbladder...so you have to

make some educated deductions of your own.

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

mailto:claudiameydrech@...

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

Remember our military with your prayers and support!

" God bless America...(and all His people throughout

the world)...stand beside us, and guide us "

[Guest guest]

hello xue

i would agree with claudia. the medical community does even recognize the

flushes as being valid. most of them will erroneously attribute the stones

to being created by olive oil. the thing about science is that even medical

science is not exact. if it were, then outcomes of diseases would be

predictable. right? the fact that science cannot accurately predict outcomes

in relation to the body makes it invalid, at least to me. the problem with

alternative medicine is that most of the practitioners lack a rigorous

scientific mind, the kind of hard science that you are now seeking.

epsom salts have been used safely for a long time. i can't see any harm in

trying a teaspoon full. either during or not during an attack

the fact that you are curious about it and courting this method should give

you some consideration.

i have always wondered what came first the chicken or the egg with relation

to magnesium and gallstones. magnesium deficiency has been linked to many

many diseases. i have come to the opinion that magnesium deficiency is one

of the causes of gallstones. mercury poisoning is one of the things that

interferes with mineral transport.

you will never find hard science with relation to these liver flushes.

partly because it is not a scientific issue. it is a medical, scientific,

sociological, and more than anything an economic issue. the medical

community is largely driven by economics, unfortunately. failure to

recognize this would make you a poor scientist. as a scientist you should

gather as much information as you can. read everything about nutrition,

mineral absorption, anecdotal stories, etc...

nikola tesla, one of the great scientists of our time used to dream his

inventions first and then reverse engineer the science behind it.

i think it's obvious which would be safer at least to try. a teaspoon of

epsom salt or cutting your body open and removing an organ.

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:08:02 -0500, L. Meydrech

<claudiameydrech@...> wrote:

> As a skeptic myself, who want to know for sure about

> things, I do understand your feelings. But your email

> is again expressing the constant struggle between

> scientific/medical community and those who embrace

> alternative medicine. It is to bad that they cannot come

> together...until then, we have to make some choices

> of our own, and whatever you chose, I trust it will be

> the very best thing for you.

, please ignore those tired old " I wanna' see more scientific

evidence " letters. Most of them come from medical trolls who are trying to

scare gallstone-sick people into submitting to their knives & scapels.

You earlier expressed some reluctance to point out that we can pass stools

bigger than the colon. I think maybe we should come right out and say it:

people pass turds a whole lot bigger than their anus measures. And the

common bile ducts can pass stones much bigger than the ducts could ever

measure.

I've had to go in the bathroom and flush away humongous " logs " left behind

by children whose anus was no doubt medically measurable as 1/100th of the

size of the log. I suppose the medical trolls would have us be surgically

opened as an alternative to defecation---if there was enough money in it

for them.

An excerpt from “The Fast Way to Health†by Dr. McCoy ninth printing

1926

(Dr. McCoy was a famous GP in Los Angeles)

--------------------------------------------

CASE 46. Woman, 71 years of age. Had been treated all her life for stomach

and intestinal disorders, but upon examination I assured her that her

trouble was mostly in the gall-bladder and liver, and that she gave every

evidence of having a large accumulation of gall-stones. She had been to

most of the leading specialists in the United States who had diagnosed her

case quite differently, and she was loath to believe that gall-stones were

the cause of her digestive troubles, as she had never had sharp pains in

the region of the gall-bladder. However, she was soon convinced of the

accuracy of my diagnosis by the results she received from the very first

few days of treatment.

The first night under treatment she took the grapefruit juice and olive oil

regime, following this with a fast of grapefruit juice, taking the juice of

a grapefruit every 2 hours, with a glass of water. The first morning after

taking the olive oil the enema brought away a large quantity of gallstones,

and without any further administration of oil they continued to pass for

several days. After ten days she was put upon a regular diet, and continued

taking osteopathic treatment, with manipulations of the gall-bladder. Her

digestion was improved, and she felt better in every way for about three

weeks. At the end of that time she again became nauseated, and even though

she immediately started fasting she vomited for about two days. The

material vomited contained a large amount of bile, and I told her that I

believed this unexpected nausea was caused by some more gall-stones which

were trying to pass into the intestines through the gall ducts, but she was

not able to take any more olive oil at this time because of her extreme

nausea.

At the end of two days the nausea suddenly ceased, and a few hours

afterwards the enema washed out a large gall-stone about 1 3/4 " in

diameter, of a very hard consistency, and looking like a piece of

sandstone. The stone was examined in several laboratories and pronounced to

be a gall-stone. I have seen many gall-stones removed through this

treatment, but usually they are only from 3/4 " to 1/2 " in diameter, being

dissolved to that size before they can pass through the gall ducts. This

large stone, however, was brought away without any cramps or colic, and

with only symptoms of nausea until it passed through.

This cure was completed over a year ago, and the patient has remained

perfectly well since that time, having lost entirely all of the digestive

disorders from which she had suffered for years. She declares that she does

not know of any time in her life when she felt so well as at present. She

is living on a simple, well-selected diet, but even at such times as she

has used prohibited foods she has felt no distress whatsoever.

-----------------------------

, I repeat---quit playing around with the trolls. If they refuse to

understand that a woman can pass a hard 1 3/4 " gallstone, there is not much

else to say.

Regards,

Rex Harrill

[Guest guest]

> However, " scientific evidence " should be publicated in

> a refereed scientific publication, not just a web

> link, in particular, the web site

> http://www.upnaway.com.au is not a web site for

> scientific publications.

>

> I am very interested in this and I talked with my

> family doctor. I showed her everything I printed from

> http://www.curezone.com/

> She told me that there are no scientific evidences on

> this issue. She said that she heard someone is getting

> better, but others are not. She also said someone is

> getting better that it could be just people start to

> care what they eat.

>

> I need more help for my confidence to use these

> motheds. It is really about my life. On the other

> hand, I am a scientist. So I have to make everthing

> clear before I do it.

>

> Thank you very much,

>

> Xue-Feng

As a skeptic myself, who want to know for sure about

things, I do understand your feelings. But your email

is again expressing the constant struggle between

scientific/medical community and those who embrace

alternative medicine. It is to bad that they cannot come

together...until then, we have to make some choices

of our own, and whatever you chose, I trust it will be

the very best thing for you.

God bless,

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

mailto:claudiameydrech@...

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

Remember our military with your prayers and support!

" God bless America...(and all His people throughout

the world)...stand beside us, and guide us "

[Guest guest]

Hi Meydrech,

If I hurt you, then I would like to say sorry to you

although my past messages were not for you.

However, I am looking for help and solution for my

gallstone attack. I am a fan for traditional methods

although I am a scientist. I just need to convince

myself.

I am waiting for some information for Chinese

traditional herb methods. Once I have it, I will share

with others too.

I hope that everyone(including myself) has no

gallstone attacks.

Xue-Feng

--- RH <brixman@...> wrote: > On Wed, 9 Apr

2003 12:08:02 -0500, L.

> Meydrech

> <claudiameydrech@...> wrote:

>

> > As a skeptic myself, who want to know for sure

> about

> > things, I do understand your feelings. But your

> email

> > is again expressing the constant struggle between

> > scientific/medical community and those who embrace

> > alternative medicine. It is to bad that they

> cannot come

> > together...until then, we have to make some

> choices

> > of our own, and whatever you chose, I trust it

> will be

> > the very best thing for you.

>

> , please ignore those tired old " I wanna' see

> more scientific

> evidence " letters. Most of them come from medical

> trolls who are trying to

> scare gallstone-sick people into submitting to their

> knives & scapels.

>

> You earlier expressed some reluctance to point out

> that we can pass stools

> bigger than the colon. I think maybe we should come

> right out and say it:

> people pass turds a whole lot bigger than their anus

> measures. And the

> common bile ducts can pass stones much bigger than

> the ducts could ever

> measure.

>

> I've had to go in the bathroom and flush away

> humongous " logs " left behind

> by children whose anus was no doubt medically

> measurable as 1/100th of the

> size of the log. I suppose the medical trolls would

> have us be surgically

> opened as an alternative to defecation---if there

> was enough money in it

> for them.

>

> An excerpt from “The Fast Way to Health†by Dr.

> McCoy ninth printing

> 1926

> (Dr. McCoy was a famous GP in Los Angeles)

> --------------------------------------------

> CASE 46. Woman, 71 years of age. Had been treated

> all her life for stomach

> and intestinal disorders, but upon examination I

> assured her that her

> trouble was mostly in the gall-bladder and liver,

> and that she gave every

> evidence of having a large accumulation of

> gall-stones. She had been to

> most of the leading specialists in the United States

> who had diagnosed her

> case quite differently, and she was loath to believe

> that gall-stones were

> the cause of her digestive troubles, as she had

> never had sharp pains in

> the region of the gall-bladder. However, she was

> soon convinced of the

> accuracy of my diagnosis by the results she received

> from the very first

> few days of treatment.

>

> The first night under treatment she took the

> grapefruit juice and olive oil

> regime, following this with a fast of grapefruit

> juice, taking the juice of

> a grapefruit every 2 hours, with a glass of water.

> The first morning after

> taking the olive oil the enema brought away a large

> quantity of gallstones,

> and without any further administration of oil they

> continued to pass for

> several days. After ten days she was put upon a

> regular diet, and continued

> taking osteopathic treatment, with manipulations of

> the gall-bladder. Her

> digestion was improved, and she felt better in every

> way for about three

> weeks. At the end of that time she again became

> nauseated, and even though

> she immediately started fasting she vomited for

> about two days. The

> material vomited contained a large amount of bile,

> and I told her that I

> believed this unexpected nausea was caused by some

> more gall-stones which

> were trying to pass into the intestines through the

> gall ducts, but she was

> not able to take any more olive oil at this time

> because of her extreme

> nausea.

>

> At the end of two days the nausea suddenly ceased,

> and a few hours

> afterwards the enema washed out a large gall-stone

> about 1 3/4 " in

> diameter, of a very hard consistency, and looking

> like a piece of

> sandstone. The stone was examined in several

> laboratories and pronounced to

> be a gall-stone. I have seen many gall-stones

> removed through this

> treatment, but usually they are only from 3/4 " to

> 1/2 " in diameter, being

> dissolved to that size before they can pass through

> the gall ducts. This

> large stone, however, was brought away without any

> cramps or colic, and

> with only symptoms of nausea until it passed

> through.

>

> This cure was completed over a year ago, and the

> patient has remained

> perfectly well since that time, having lost entirely

> all of the digestive

> disorders from which she had suffered for years. She

> declares that she does

> not know of any time in her life when she felt so

> well as at present. She

> is living on a simple, well-selected diet, but even

> at such times as she

> has used prohibited foods she has felt no distress

> whatsoever.

> -----------------------------

>

> , I repeat---quit playing around with the

> trolls. If they refuse to

> understand that a woman can pass a hard 1 3/4 "

> gallstone, there is not much

> else to say.

>

> Regards,

> Rex Harrill

>

>

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Sorry, the message should go to RH not Meydrech.

--- Xue-Feng Yang <just4look@...> wrote: > Hi

Meydrech,

>

> If I hurt you, then I would like to say sorry to you

> although my past messages were not for you.

>

> However, I am looking for help and solution for my

> gallstone attack. I am a fan for traditional methods

> although I am a scientist. I just need to convince

> myself.

>

> I am waiting for some information for Chinese

> traditional herb methods. Once I have it, I will

> share

> with others too.

>

> I hope that everyone(including myself) has no

> gallstone attacks.

>

> Xue-Feng

>

>

>

> --- RH <brixman@...> wrote: > On Wed, 9

> Apr

> 2003 12:08:02 -0500, L.

> > Meydrech

> > <claudiameydrech@...> wrote:

> >

> > > As a skeptic myself, who want to know for sure

> > about

> > > things, I do understand your feelings. But your

> > email

> > > is again expressing the constant struggle

> between

> > > scientific/medical community and those who

> embrace

> > > alternative medicine. It is to bad that they

> > cannot come

> > > together...until then, we have to make some

> > choices

> > > of our own, and whatever you chose, I trust it

> > will be

> > > the very best thing for you.

> >

> > , please ignore those tired old " I wanna'

> see

> > more scientific

> > evidence " letters. Most of them come from medical

> > trolls who are trying to

> > scare gallstone-sick people into submitting to

> their

> > knives & scapels.

> >

> > You earlier expressed some reluctance to point out

> > that we can pass stools

> > bigger than the colon. I think maybe we should

> come

> > right out and say it:

> > people pass turds a whole lot bigger than their

> anus

> > measures. And the

> > common bile ducts can pass stones much bigger than

> > the ducts could ever

> > measure.

> >

> > I've had to go in the bathroom and flush away

> > humongous " logs " left behind

> > by children whose anus was no doubt medically

> > measurable as 1/100th of the

> > size of the log. I suppose the medical trolls

> would

> > have us be surgically

> > opened as an alternative to defecation---if there

> > was enough money in it

> > for them.

> >

> > An excerpt from “The Fast Way to Health†by

> Dr.

> > McCoy ninth printing

> > 1926

> > (Dr. McCoy was a famous GP in Los Angeles)

> > --------------------------------------------

> > CASE 46. Woman, 71 years of age. Had been treated

> > all her life for stomach

> > and intestinal disorders, but upon examination I

> > assured her that her

> > trouble was mostly in the gall-bladder and liver,

> > and that she gave every

> > evidence of having a large accumulation of

> > gall-stones. She had been to

> > most of the leading specialists in the United

> States

> > who had diagnosed her

> > case quite differently, and she was loath to

> believe

> > that gall-stones were

> > the cause of her digestive troubles, as she had

> > never had sharp pains in

> > the region of the gall-bladder. However, she was

> > soon convinced of the

> > accuracy of my diagnosis by the results she

> received

> > from the very first

> > few days of treatment.

> >

> > The first night under treatment she took the

> > grapefruit juice and olive oil

> > regime, following this with a fast of grapefruit

> > juice, taking the juice of

> > a grapefruit every 2 hours, with a glass of water.

> > The first morning after

> > taking the olive oil the enema brought away a

> large

> > quantity of gallstones,

> > and without any further administration of oil they

> > continued to pass for

> > several days. After ten days she was put upon a

> > regular diet, and continued

> > taking osteopathic treatment, with manipulations

> of

> > the gall-bladder. Her

> > digestion was improved, and she felt better in

> every

> > way for about three

> > weeks. At the end of that time she again became

> > nauseated, and even though

> > she immediately started fasting she vomited for

> > about two days. The

> > material vomited contained a large amount of bile,

> > and I told her that I

> > believed this unexpected nausea was caused by some

> > more gall-stones which

> > were trying to pass into the intestines through

> the

> > gall ducts, but she was

> > not able to take any more olive oil at this time

> > because of her extreme

> > nausea.

> >

> > At the end of two days the nausea suddenly ceased,

> > and a few hours

> > afterwards the enema washed out a large gall-stone

> > about 1 3/4 " in

> > diameter, of a very hard consistency, and looking

> > like a piece of

> > sandstone. The stone was examined in several

> > laboratories and pronounced to

> > be a gall-stone. I have seen many gall-stones

> > removed through this

> > treatment, but usually they are only from 3/4 " to

> > 1/2 " in diameter, being

> > dissolved to that size before they can pass

> through

> > the gall ducts. This

> > large stone, however, was brought away without any

> > cramps or colic, and

> > with only symptoms of nausea until it passed

> > through.

> >

> > This cure was completed over a year ago, and the

> > patient has remained

> > perfectly well since that time, having lost

> entirely

> > all of the digestive

> > disorders from which she had suffered for years.

> She

> > declares that she does

> > not know of any time in her life when she felt so

> > well as at present. She

> > is living on a simple, well-selected diet, but

> even

> > at such times as she

> > has used prohibited foods she has felt no distress

> > whatsoever.

> > -----------------------------

> >

> > , I repeat---quit playing around with the

> > trolls. If they refuse to

> > understand that a woman can pass a hard 1 3/4 "

> > gallstone, there is not much

> > else to say.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rex Harrill

> >

> >

>

>

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On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:24:17 -0500, L. Meydrech

<claudiameydrech@...> wrote:

> I don't like to be supported by putting

> down another.

Well, I hope I'm not putting down anyone. I just don't see the point of

you struggling to dig up " scientific " evidence that is only going to be

ignored and mis-used by trolls. This very day too many people are being

damaged (and killed) by a money-hungry surgical brotherhood because they

are frightened away from a more gentle cure with " stuck-stone " scare

tactics.

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I am sorry, Meydrech. It's a typo. I know that is not

you.

--- " L. Meydrech "

<claudiameydrech@...> wrote: > > Hi Meydrech,

> >

> > If I hurt you, then I would like to say sorry to

> you

> > although my past messages were not for you.

>

> I am not at all hurt, and don't let other's emails

> let you think I am :-) Keeps searching, it has been

> nice to communicate what I can.

>

> And a note to Rex, lets be gracious toward one

> another, I understand you are trying to support

> me, but I don't like to be supported by putting

> down another.

>

> God bless,

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My

> Flushes

> http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

> mailto:claudiameydrech@...

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> Remember our military with your prayers and support!

> " God bless America...(and all His people throughout

> the world)...stand beside us, and guide us "

>

>

>

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> Hi Meydrech,

>

> If I hurt you, then I would like to say sorry to you

> although my past messages were not for you.

I am not at all hurt, and don't let other's emails

let you think I am :-) Keeps searching, it has been

nice to communicate what I can.

And a note to Rex, lets be gracious toward one

another, I understand you are trying to support

me, but I don't like to be supported by putting

down another.

God bless,

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

mailto:claudiameydrech@...

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

Remember our military with your prayers and support!

" God bless America...(and all His people throughout

the world)...stand beside us, and guide us "

[Guest guest]

You have come to the wrong place looking for " scientific evidence " . Most of us

here are pragmatists with common sense who are interested only in getting well,

not what the scientists say. There are many people on this list who have

experienced great improvement in their health due to flushes and other

" un-scientific " methods. If you are incapable of accepting anecdotal evidence on

these things, but need " scientific " evidence in order to do a flush, you will

never do one. You would do better to pursue surgery.

If you are interested in a Chinese herbal approach to gallstone problems, go to

www.sensiblehealth.com . This is Chang's site. You can call her by phone

and she will be happy to answer any questions you have. But I doubt she will

provide any " scientific " evidence.

We have had numerous health problems in our family cured by " un-scientific "

methods and supplements. This was almost always after the " scientists " (doctors)

had misdiagnosed us and/or fed us " scientifically " approved toxins

(pharmaceutical drugs) which either did not help the problem or exacerbated the

symptoms or created new ones. I'm sorry but I am not impressed by " scientific "

when it comes to health.

Colleen K.

----- Original Message -----

From: Xue-Feng Yang

gallstones

Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:45 AM

Subject: Re: using Epsom salts during a gallstone attack

Thank you very much for your comment and link.

However, " scientific evidence " should be publicated in

a refereed scientific publication, not just a web

link, in particular, the web site

http://www.upnaway.com.au is not a web site for

scientific publications.

I am very interested in this and I talked with my

family doctor. I showed her everything I printed from

http://www.curezone.com/

She told me that there are no scientific evidences on

this issue. She said that she heard someone is getting

better, but others are not. She also said someone is

getting better that it could be just people start to

care what they eat.

I need more help for my confidence to use these

motheds. It is really about my life. On the other

hand, I am a scientist. So I have to make everthing

clear before I do it.

Thank you very much,

Xue-Feng

--- " L. Meydrech "

<claudiameydrech@...> wrote: > > , I

think Zora asked if there is scientific

> > evidence that this assertion is accurate. That is

> my

> > question too. Could you or any others tell us if

> there

> > are scientific citations/references? And where can

> I

> > find them?

>

>

http://www.upnaway.com.au/poliowa/Magnesium%20Mucle%20Relaxation.html

>

> Here's just one I found with quick Google search

> with

> words " magnesium relax muscles " in search box,

> there are many others. But I

> know this also from my own study as a Nutritionist.

> We encourage magnesium use for the heart, just as

> Potassium helps contraction of the heart (so

> important,

> esp. in the summer when the body " sweats out "

> potassium, to supplement this) so Magnesium helps

> in relaxing action of the heart. It does relax all

> smoothe

> muscle tissue, you'll find info on that. We also

> encourange it's

> use in helping the body to assimilate calcium. You

> may

> find sites that mention it related to relaxing ducts

> in

> gallbladder, but this may be harder, as the

> scientists

> and medical community do not want to accept this as

> a valid form of treating the gallbladder...so you

> have to

> make some educated deductions of your own.

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My

> Flushes

> http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

> mailto:claudiameydrech@...

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> Remember our military with your prayers and support!

> " God bless America...(and all His people throughout

> the world)...stand beside us, and guide us "

>

>

>

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Thank you very much, Tony, although your comments are

not helpful.

It seems to me that you don't know what I asked for

" scientific evidence " . I didn't ask " scientific

evidence " for liver flush. Actually, I do know that

there are such " evidences " .

I don't know if this is a right place to ask my

question although I am sure it is. There are 1254

people in this list. How do you know most of them

don't know the answer of my question? And there are no

such limitations that I cannot ask " scientific

evidence " for something in this list.

If you don't like my questions, just skip them. If

these questions hurt you, them I am sorry for that.

--- Tony Kessler <tcjak86@...> wrote: > You

have come to the wrong place looking for

> " scientific evidence " . Most of us here are

> pragmatists with common sense who are interested

> only in getting well, not what the scientists say.

> There are many people on this list who have

> experienced great improvement in their health due to

> flushes and other " un-scientific " methods. If you

> are incapable of accepting anecdotal evidence on

> these things, but need " scientific " evidence in

> order to do a flush, you will never do one. You

> would do better to pursue surgery.

>

> If you are interested in a Chinese herbal approach

> to gallstone problems, go to www.sensiblehealth.com

> . This is Chang's site. You can call her by

> phone and she will be happy to answer any questions

> you have. But I doubt she will provide any

> " scientific " evidence.

>

> We have had numerous health problems in our family

> cured by " un-scientific " methods and supplements.

> This was almost always after the " scientists "

> (doctors) had misdiagnosed us and/or fed us

> " scientifically " approved toxins (pharmaceutical

> drugs) which either did not help the problem or

> exacerbated the symptoms or created new ones. I'm

> sorry but I am not impressed by " scientific " when it

> comes to health.

>

>

> Colleen K.

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Xue-Feng Yang

> gallstones

> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:45 AM

> Subject: Re: using Epsom salts during

> a gallstone attack

>

>

> Thank you very much for your comment and link.

>

> However, " scientific evidence " should be

> publicated in

> a refereed scientific publication, not just a web

> link, in particular, the web site

> http://www.upnaway.com.au is not a web site for

> scientific publications.

>

> I am very interested in this and I talked with my

> family doctor. I showed her everything I printed

> from

> http://www.curezone.com/

> She told me that there are no scientific evidences

> on

> this issue. She said that she heard someone is

> getting

> better, but others are not. She also said someone

> is

> getting better that it could be just people start

> to

> care what they eat.

>

> I need more help for my confidence to use these

> motheds. It is really about my life. On the other

> hand, I am a scientist. So I have to make

> everthing

> clear before I do it.

>

> Thank you very much,

>

> Xue-Feng

>

>

> --- " L. Meydrech "

> <claudiameydrech@...> wrote: > > , I

> think Zora asked if there is scientific

> > > evidence that this assertion is accurate. That

> is

> > my

> > > question too. Could you or any others tell us

> if

> > there

> > > are scientific citations/references? And where

> can

> > I

> > > find them?

> >

> >

>

>

http://www.upnaway.com.au/poliowa/Magnesium%20Mucle%20Relaxation.html

> >

> > Here's just one I found with quick Google search

> > with

> > words " magnesium relax muscles " in search box,

> > there are many others. But I

> > know this also from my own study as a

> Nutritionist.

> > We encourage magnesium use for the heart, just

> as

> > Potassium helps contraction of the heart (so

> > important,

> > esp. in the summer when the body " sweats out "

> > potassium, to supplement this) so Magnesium

> helps

> > in relaxing action of the heart. It does relax

> all

> > smoothe

> > muscle tissue, you'll find info on that. We

> also

> > encourange it's

> > use in helping the body to assimilate calcium.

> You

> > may

> > find sites that mention it related to relaxing

> ducts

> > in

> > gallbladder, but this may be harder, as the

> > scientists

> > and medical community do not want to accept this

> as

> > a valid form of treating the gallbladder...so

> you

> > have to

> > make some educated deductions of your own.

> >

> > L. Meydrech, CN

> > http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html

> ~ My

> > Flushes

> > http://www.mynsp.com/meydrech

> > mailto:claudiameydrech@...

> > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> > Remember our military with your prayers and

> support!

> > " God bless America...(and all His people

> throughout

> > the world)...stand beside us, and guide us "

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:25:09 -0500, Tony Kessler <tcjak86@...> wrote:

> You have come to the wrong place looking for " scientific evidence " . Most

> of us here are pragmatists with common sense who are interested only in

> getting well, not what the scientists say. There are many people on this

> list who have experienced great improvement in their health due to

> flushes and other " un-scientific " methods. If you are incapable of

> accepting anecdotal evidence on these things, but need " scientific "

> evidence in order to do a flush, you will never do one. You would do

> better to pursue surgery.

>

> If you are interested in a Chinese herbal approach to gallstone problems,

> go to www.sensiblehealth.com . This is Chang's site. You can call

> her by phone and she will be happy to answer any questions you have. But

> I doubt she will provide any " scientific " evidence.

>

> We have had numerous health problems in our family cured by " un-

> scientific " methods and supplements. This was almost always after the

> " scientists " (doctors) had misdiagnosed us and/or fed us " scientifically "

> approved toxins (pharmaceutical drugs) which either did not help the

> problem or exacerbated the symptoms or created new ones. I'm sorry but I

> am not impressed by " scientific " when it comes to health.

Lovely answer, Colleen...

I'd like to tell a story. I am involved with a form of agriculture that

has found toxic sprays absolutely unnecessary when the crop quality is

maintained at a high level. Sadly, modern plant scientists have been

trained by a university system totally corrupted by chemical company

funding and they seem unable to provide farmers with agricultural solutions

that don't involve spraying one or another of the thousands of toxic

chemicals developed by such giants as Monsanto and DuPont.

Anyway, during many, many, online discussions with farmers seeking non-

toxic solutions to ag troubles I kept noticing several " scientists " would

join in and ask about " scientific proof " for natural methods that had

served farmers well for centuries. Their questions were always phrased to

cast doubt on natural methods and to also hint that " modern " toxic

treatments of soil, plant, or animal could somehow bring health (by

spraying death).

So I started offline conversations with two of them. In due time, each

admitted that they worked for chemical company giants. Surprisingly, the

admissions came after I asked why their emails were always time-stamped

during normal business hours. One had always worked in the chemical

industry, but one freely admitted he had been hired from a university

specifically to " troll " the online newsgroups and slyly cast doubt on

forums that were moving toward natural means to solve ag problems.

Meanwhile, I noticed that from time to time people came on the gallstone

discussions and slyly inserted qustions about stones " getting stuck. " The

same people always asked for " scientific evidence " that the flush could

work. None of the " questioners " ever bothered to read Agnes' full website

and come back to admit they had found the answer to their own " questions. "

IMO, that is because they didn't want answers, they wanted to cast doubt.

Internet " trolling " is exactly like trolling on a fishing boat. You put

out your lures, quietly tow them around, and wait for the fish to rise to

the hook. The bait in this case is a " stuck stone. " The word troll is

synonymous with dishonesty.

People don't die from doing a flush, but they sure as heck die from

surgery. The surgeons are making billions from slicing out gallbladders.

They then try to tell the people who still have sickness and symptoms that

it is their own fault. I think the surgical industry knows what it is

doing. I think they have opened gallbladders full of stones and know damn

well they are looking at the same stones brought to them by people who have

done a flush. But they don't care. Money is their motive and profit is

their game.

I don't know why people have " faith " in a corrupt medical system, but they

do. They love to say, " Well, MY doctor is not a quack. " Maybe so, but

anyone who studies soon enough realizes that doctors as a group are

responsible for the 180,000 medical deaths recorded each year.

Yesterday I posted a long excerpt from a book by a Los Angeles M.D. who

practiced back in the first part of the 20th century. He was a wise and

honest man who realized that most of the troubles presented to him by

patients were due to clogged livers and gallbladders. More people of today

should listen to him. I realize that it would cost them several dollars

worth of olive oil, whereas they could get their gallbladder out for

nothing (via " free " insurance), but I still say they should listen.

Regards,

Rex Harrill

[Guest guest]

To those who want scientific evidence that epsom salts relax:

This is so simple. Go to the grocery store. Buy epsom salts. Read

on the side of the box that it can be taken internally. Take a

tablespoon of this stuff that is approved for internal use. Not

long afterwords, see if you feel relaxed.

If you don't like the epsom salts idea, go to the health food store,

buy some magnesium, take some, and see if you feel relaxed.

There, you have the evidence.

If you are afraid to take epsom salts when it states right on the

box that you can use it for a laxative, and you need scientific

evidence, then you are just too cautious. In that case I would

advise going to your MD and following their orders. Alternative

treatments are not for those who need so much scientific evidence.

Peace out.

--- In gallstones , Xue-Feng Yang <just4look@y...>

wrote:

> , I think Zora asked if there is scientific

> evidence that this assertion is accurate. That is my

> question too. Could you or any others tell us if there

> are scientific citations/references? And where can I

> find them?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Xue-Feng

[Guest guest]

If you think it is a useless suggestion, then why are you still

reading this board. Either shit or get off the pot. If you don't

have enough guts to try something other than AMA approved or

scientifically proven stuff, then like I said before, go to the best

MD you can find, and get your gall bladder removed. People have

been doing this stuff for thousands of years before you scientists

came along and had to prove everything with costly studies that

aren't worth anything. I'm not trying to be a jerk or funny. You

just aren't cut out for this kind of stuff.

Brad

--- In gallstones , Xue-Feng Yang <just4look@y...>

wrote:

> Thank you for your useless suggestion!

>

[Guest guest]

It's unfortunate that scientists such as Xue-Feng Yang are not more

diplomatic. Good manners opens many doors and makes friends.

This group is for people with different opinions to help each other

and to learn from each other. Each individual must do their own

research and make up their own mind. Criticism which does not lead

to a positive outcome is not acceptable.

~S

> " braddgood " <braddgood@y...> wrote:

>People have been doing this stuff for thousands of years before you

>scientists came along and had to prove everything with costly

>studies that aren't worth anything.