Re: no sex drive, high free test 2.52 and low total testerone 190

[Guest guest]

Phil this phenomon is usually associated with insulin resistance or potential

prediabetic state. What was your SHBG? If you are willing to travel to a good Dr

that will rule out all variables. We also take various forms of PPO plans.

Email me hardasnails1973@.... People that have came to see us have had

positive experience..

>

> Hello,

>

> My name is Phil. I was recently diagnosed with low testerone.

> After a couple of blood work tests, my total levels came back on the low end

of the range at 190 and 210 out of 1000.

>

> I spoke to my primary care and he sent me to a urologist who thought they were

low so he send me to a endocrinologist.

>

> She had me take blood work yet again.

> this time she looked for free testerone which was on the higher side at 2.52

and she said we need to discuss this further. My concern is that she tested it

in the am which is when it is normally high..but im sure it wavers as the day

goes on.

> I tend to think there was an error or something in the reading or it wa one

test..

> I dont feel any different..im 31 and i have no sex drive, no energy, cant

remember much and cant even concentrate all too often..not to mention sleeping

issues..

>

> I tend to think that why is my TOTAL testerone so low?? when I should be

higher, more like 500 or so?

>

> I think that my sex drive also must be a problem due to some other hormone

imbalance as well, maybe prolactin level being too high or something aboute

estradoil..or whatever the name is??

>

> I never get horny..and thats odd for a 31 year old male.

>

> can anyone give me any insight?

> Id really appreciate it

>

> Thankyou

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil and Welcome,

I am sure your in the right place and sorry your Dr. sent you to see an Uro that

sent you to a worse Dr. an Endo they are not good Dr.'s for low Hormones your

Family Dr. might know more then the other two you were sent to.  First let me

tell you FREE Testosterone is only 2% of all the Testosteone in your body so if

your TOTAL Testosterone is low at 190 2% of this is a lot less then 2% of a

normmal level of 600 to 800 it is simple dam math.  If you read this link it's

from the Body Building Site but done by a Dr. it states form this link.

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_scie\

nce/the_big_t%3bjsessionid=CA57C15FBCB73C7A22556A52058A1598.hydra

I pray you did not start on Testosterone mends yet becuase you need to know why

your so low.  If you start on Testosterone meds you will have a dam hard time

finding out why your low.  I was on TRT 23 yrs never feeling 100% because Dr.'s

and they were a lot of them all got it wrong telling me I am Primiary meaning my

testis don't work.  Some 4 yrs ago I figured out I am not Primary but I am

Secondary it's a long story you can read it at this link.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

So all I am saying is find out why your low if it can be fixed your Testosterone

levels will come back up without your needing TRT and if you need TRT it's for

life.  I tell men to get these labs done to rule out problems that can lower

Testosterone levels.

Add to this Total T4 and T3 for Thyroid.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=7059

This link is a great read about all hormones you need to read all of this.

http://intlhormonesociety.org/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=37 & Itemi\

d=71

Some of the main things that will lower a mans testosterone are very high levels

of Estradiol.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

Stress will kill your Testosterone levesl a Faty Liver, Drugs and Drinking, over

doing it on weight loss and in the gym drinking large amounts of SOY MILK and so

on.

I am sorry to have to tell you this but you need a Dr. that is up on this

problem.

==========================================================================

Now that I'm certain you're all experts in Testosterone production (and there

will be a test at the end — I'm serious!), I'd like to address one more

important issue that will come up later in the article with regard to

Testosterone in the body. When Testosterone is converted from cholesterol in the

leydig cells of the testis, it's released into the blood stream where it embarks

on an anabolic adventure.

However, when in the blood, 60% of the big T released from the boys down below

is bound up by a protein known as SHBG, or sex-hormone binding globulin. SHBG is

produced and released by the liver. The important point is that the Testosterone

bound to SHBG is biologically inactive and this is why there's an important

distinction between total T and bioavailable T.

Total T represents all the Testosterone in the blood, while bioavailable T

represents the non SHBG bound Testosterone. There are other proteins in the

blood that bind Testosterone, too, but their binding is rather weak, so this T

is bioavailable and these proteins can still enter the cells to produce and

effect all the things we're interested in.

As I said, bioavailable T represents the Testosterone that is not SHBG bound,

while free T represents the Testosterone that's not bound to any blood proteins

at all. It's tricky, I know, but I hope that it's now evident that although only

about 2% of the T in blood is technically considered free T, there is a larger

percentage of T (about 40% or so) that is bioavailable because it's only weakly

bound to non SHBG blood proteins.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ifpacpt <ifpacpt@...>

> Subject: no sex drive, high free test 2.52 and low total

testerone 190

>

> Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:07 AM

> Hello,

>

> My name is Phil. I was recently diagnosed with low

> testerone.

> After a couple of blood work tests, my total levels came

> back on the low end of the range at 190 and 210 out of

> 1000.

>

> I spoke to my primary care and he sent me to a urologist

> who thought they were low so he send me to a

> endocrinologist.

>

> She had me take blood work yet again.

> this time she looked for free testerone which was on the

> higher side at 2.52 and she said we need to discuss this

> further. My concern is that she tested it in the am which is

> when it is normally high..but im sure it wavers as the day

> goes on.

> I tend to think there was an error or something in the

> reading or it wa one test..

> I dont feel any different..im 31 and i have no sex drive,

> no energy, cant remember much and cant even concentrate all

> too often..not to mention sleeping issues..

>

> I tend to think that why is my TOTAL testerone so low??

> when I should be higher, more like 500 or so?

>

> I think that my sex drive also must be a problem due to

> some other hormone imbalance as well, maybe prolactin level

> being too high or something aboute estradoil..or whatever

> the name is??

>

> I never get horny..and thats odd for a 31 year old male.

>

> can anyone give me any insight?

> Id really appreciate it

>

> Thankyou

> Phil

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil and thanks for your reply. It is an issue that concerns me..and my

girlfriend.

After taking a test recently to get my free testerone it makes sense that since

my total levels are so low that even if my free were higher that there isnt much

testerone there to being with so free can only go so high...if its is a higher

percentage its still low for being higher...

you make sense..

why do you say that endo and urologist are bad doctors for hormones??

where do I go to get real help?

I was going to try androgrl but am holding off for a bit.

I get the feeling my endo is mistaken here with this stuff!

I think she needs to address the ENTIRE sexual hormone picture AND address the

fact that my total test is way low..

I am going to ask to why for my age I am at 190-210 when I should be up over

500!

That isnt normal.

I feel it.

When she did leave me a message, she sounded really unsure about the whole

thing. She says we " :may " : be ok monitoring this but we will discuss it further

I guess that may mean she isnt too sure either.

I need a doctor that wil say with confidence, yes I have a problem or no im

good! The lack of assertion on her part makes me wonder...

I also dont excuse her from makind mistakes just because shes an endo MD.

Is it better that I seek help from an older doctor? I associate older doctors

with more experience vs someine who can out of med school a few yuears ago.

thanks again for your help, much apreciated.

Phil

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 11:08:05 AM

Subject: Re: no sex drive, high free test 2.52 and low total

testerone 190

 

Hi Phil and Welcome,

I am sure your in the right place and sorry your Dr. sent you to see an Uro that

sent you to a worse Dr. an Endo they are not good Dr.'s for low Hormones your

Family Dr. might know more then the other two you were sent to.  First let me

tell you FREE Testosterone is only 2% of all the Testosteone in your body so if

your TOTAL Testosterone is low at 190 2% of this is a lot less then 2% of a

normmal level of 600 to 800 it is simple dam math.  If you read this link it's

from the Body Building Site but done by a Dr. it states form this link.

http://www.tmuscle. com/free_ online_article/ sports_body_ training_

performance_ science/the_ big_t%3bjsession id=CA57C15FBCB73 C7A22556A52058A1

598.hydra

I pray you did not start on Testosterone mends yet becuase you need to know why

your so low.  If you start on Testosterone meds you will have a dam hard time

finding out why your low.  I was on TRT 23 yrs never feeling 100% because Dr.'s

and they were a lot of them all got it wrong telling me I am Primiary meaning my

testis don't work.  Some 4 yrs ago I figured out I am not Primary but I am

Secondary it's a long story you can read it at this link.

http://forums. realthyroidhelp. com/viewtopic. php?f=5 & t= 9239

So all I am saying is find out why your low if it can be fixed your Testosterone

levels will come back up without your needing TRT and if you need TRT it's for

life.  I tell men to get these labs done to rule out problems that can lower

Testosterone levels.

Add to this Total T4 and T3 for Thyroid.

http://forums. realthyroidhelp. com/viewtopic. php?f=5 & t= 7059

This link is a great read about all hormones you need to read all of this.

http://intlhormones ociety.org/ index.php? option=com_ content & task= view & id=37 &

Itemid=71

Some of the main things that will lower a mans testosterone are very high levels

of Estradiol.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://jcem. endojournals. org/cgi/content/ full/89/3/ 1174

Stress will kill your Testosterone levesl a Faty Liver, Drugs and Drinking, over

doing it on weight loss and in the gym drinking large amounts of SOY MILK and so

on.

I am sorry to have to tell you this but you need a Dr. that is up on this

problem.

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

========

Now that I'm certain you're all experts in Testosterone production (and there

will be a test at the end — I'm serious!), I'd like to address one more

important issue that will come up later in the article with regard to

Testosterone in the body. When Testosterone is converted from cholesterol in the

leydig cells of the testis, it's released into the blood stream where it embarks

on an anabolic adventure.

However, when in the blood, 60% of the big T released from the boys down below

is bound up by a protein known as SHBG, or sex-hormone binding globulin. SHBG is

produced and released by the liver. The important point is that the Testosterone

bound to SHBG is biologically inactive and this is why there's an important

distinction between total T and bioavailable T.

Total T represents all the Testosterone in the blood, while bioavailable T

represents the non SHBG bound Testosterone. There are other proteins in the

blood that bind Testosterone, too, but their binding is rather weak, so this T

is bioavailable and these proteins can still enter the cells to produce and

effect all the things we're interested in.

As I said, bioavailable T represents the Testosterone that is not SHBG bound,

while free T represents the Testosterone that's not bound to any blood proteins

at all. It's tricky, I know, but I hope that it's now evident that although only

about 2% of the T in blood is technically considered free T, there is a larger

percentage of T (about 40% or so) that is bioavailable because it's only weakly

bound to non SHBG blood proteins.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ifpacpt <ifpacpt (DOT) com>

> Subject: no sex drive, high free test 2.52 and low total

testerone 190

>

> Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:07 AM

> Hello,

>

> My name is Phil. I was recently diagnosed with low

> testerone.

> After a couple of blood work tests, my total levels came

> back on the low end of the range at 190 and 210 out of

> 1000.

>

> I spoke to my primary care and he sent me to a urologist

> who thought they were low so he send me to a

> endocrinologist.

>

> She had me take blood work yet again.

> this time she looked for free testerone which was on the

> higher side at 2.52 and she said we need to discuss this

> further. My concern is that she tested it in the am which is

> when it is normally high..but im sure it wavers as the day

> goes on.

> I tend to think there was an error or something in the

> reading or it wa one test..

> I dont feel any different..im 31 and i have no sex drive,

> no energy, cant remember much and cant even concentrate all

> too often..not to mention sleeping issues..

>

> I tend to think that why is my TOTAL testerone so low??

> when I should be higher, more like 500 or so?

>

> I think that my sex drive also must be a problem due to

> some other hormone imbalance as well, maybe prolactin level

> being too high or something aboute estradoil..or whatever

> the name is??

>

> I never get horny..and thats odd for a 31 year old male.

>

> can anyone give me any insight?

> Id really appreciate it

>

> Thankyou

> Phil

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have my own experience and what I hear from other men over the yrs. I have

been a mod for some yrs helping men at a few other forums and hear this all the

time. Most Dr.'s that are not up on this will not admit it and try to treat men

only to do them more harm then good. Dr.'s like Endo will test a man see his

levels low but in the range of the lab and tell this poor guy he is fine that he

is depressed and offer him Prozac WTF is with this Dr.'s pass out AD drugs like

it is candy but telling him his is normal with a level at 300 this is in the

normal range but that of a 100 yr old man. Uro's do the same thing but offer

Viagra give me a break.

All you can do is look in the Database section at the home page and see if there

is a Dr. listed in your area and see him. Or read in the files section " How to

Find a New Male Hormone Dr. " Before seeing a new Dr. call and ask question like

does this Dr. treat a lot of men for low T dose he test for high levels if

Estradiol in men and if high treat with arimidex dose he test to see if a man is

Primary or Secondary and if Secondary dose he use HCG to treat him. You will

know if you have a good one.

In the links and files section we have a ton of info about this problem with low

T and high levels of Estradiol read them learn about this so when you see a Dr.

you will know if he or she is doing good by you.

Here is a one good link to get you started.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: ifpacpt <ifpacpt (DOT) com>

> > Subject: no sex drive, high free test

> 2.52 and low total testerone 190

> >

> > Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:07 AM

> > Hello,

> >

> > My name is Phil. I was recently diagnosed with low

> > testerone.

> > After a couple of blood work tests, my total levels

> came

> > back on the low end of the range at 190 and 210 out

> of

> > 1000.

> >

> > I spoke to my primary care and he sent me to a

> urologist

> > who thought they were low so he send me to a

> > endocrinologist.

> >

> > She had me take blood work yet again.

> > this time she looked for free testerone which was on

> the

> > higher side at 2.52 and she said we need to discuss

> this

> > further. My concern is that she tested it in the am

> which is

> > when it is normally high..but im sure it wavers as the

> day

> > goes on.

> > I tend to think there was an error or something in

> the

> > reading or it wa one test..

> > I dont feel any different..im 31 and i have no sex

> drive,

> > no energy, cant remember much and cant even

> concentrate all

> > too often..not to mention sleeping issues..

> >

> > I tend to think that why is my TOTAL testerone so

> low??

> > when I should be higher, more like 500 or so?

> >

> > I think that my sex drive also must be a problem due

> to

> > some other hormone imbalance as well, maybe prolactin

> level

> > being too high or something aboute estradoil..or

> whatever

> > the name is??

> >

> > I never get horny..and thats odd for a 31 year old

> male.

> >

> > can anyone give me any insight?

> > Id really appreciate it

> >

> > Thankyou

> > Phil

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Let me ask you a simple question are you a smoker or have smoked in the past.

What levels are SHBG.

> >

> > > From: ifpacpt <ifpacpt (DOT) com>

> > > Subject: no sex drive, high free test

> > 2.52 and low total testerone 190

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:07 AM

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > My name is Phil. I was recently diagnosed with low

> > > testerone.

> > > After a couple of blood work tests, my total levels

> > came

> > > back on the low end of the range at 190 and 210 out

> > of

> > > 1000.

> > >

> > > I spoke to my primary care and he sent me to a

> > urologist

> > > who thought they were low so he send me to a

> > > endocrinologist.

> > >

> > > She had me take blood work yet again.

> > > this time she looked for free testerone which was on

> > the

> > > higher side at 2.52 and she said we need to discuss

> > this

> > > further. My concern is that she tested it in the am

> > which is

> > > when it is normally high..but im sure it wavers as the

> > day

> > > goes on.

> > > I tend to think there was an error or something in

> > the

> > > reading or it wa one test..

> > > I dont feel any different..im 31 and i have no sex

> > drive,

> > > no energy, cant remember much and cant even

> > concentrate all

> > > too often..not to mention sleeping issues..

> > >

> > > I tend to think that why is my TOTAL testerone so

> > low??

> > > when I should be higher, more like 500 or so?

> > >

> > > I think that my sex drive also must be a problem due

> > to

> > > some other hormone imbalance as well, maybe prolactin

> > level

> > > being too high or something aboute estradoil..or

> > whatever

> > > the name is??

> > >

> > > I never get horny..and thats odd for a 31 year old

> > male.

> > >

> > > can anyone give me any insight?

> > > Id really appreciate it

> > >

> > > Thankyou

> > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Neither..I live a healthy as possible lifestyle..why dp you ask about shbg how

can that effect total and free test?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

no sex drive, high free test

> > 2.52 and low total testerone 190

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:07 AM

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > My name is Phil. I was recently diagnosed with low

> > > testerone.

> > > After a couple of blood work tests, my total levels

> > came

> > > back on the low end of the range at 190 and 210 out

> > of

> > > 1000.

> > >

> > > I spoke to my primary care and he sent me to a

> > urologist

> > > who thought they were low so he send me to a

> > > endocrinologist.

> > >

> > > She had me take blood work yet again.

> > > this time she looked for free testerone which was on

> > the

> > > higher side at 2.52 and she said we need to discuss

> > this

> > > further. My concern is that she tested it in the am

> > which is

> > > when it is normally high..but im sure it wavers as the

> > day

> > > goes on.

> > > I tend to think there was an error or something in

> > the

> > > reading or it wa one test..

> > > I dont feel any different..im 31 and i have no sex

> > drive,

> > > no energy, cant remember much and cant even

> > concentrate all

> > > too often..not to mention sleeping issues..

> > >

> > > I tend to think that why is my TOTAL testerone so

> > low??

> > > when I should be higher, more like 500 or so?

> > >

> > > I think that my sex drive also must be a problem due

> > to

> > > some other hormone imbalance as well, maybe prolactin

> > level

> > > being too high or something aboute estradoil..or

> > whatever

> > > the name is??

> > >

> > > I never get horny..and thats odd for a 31 year old

> > male.

> > >

> > > can anyone give me any insight?

> > > Id really appreciate it

> > >

> > > Thankyou

> > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

hi,

nope i dont smoke and never have..

not sure what those levels are..how does that effect total and free testerone?

im not questioning you just trying to education myself on the topic..

________________________________

From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 1:04:18 PM

Subject: Re: no sex drive, high free test 2.52 and low total

testerone 190

Let me ask you a simple question are you a smoker or have smoked in the past.

What levels are SHBG.

> >

> > > From: ifpacpt <ifpacpt (DOT) com>

> > > Subject: no sex drive, high free test

> > 2.52 and low total testerone 190

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:07 AM

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > My name is Phil. I was recently diagnosed with low

> > > testerone.

> > > After a couple of blood work tests, my total levels

> > came

> > > back on the low end of the range at 190 and 210 out

> > of

> > > 1000.

> > >

> > > I spoke to my primary care and he sent me to a

> > urologist

> > > who thought they were low so he send me to a

> > > endocrinologist.

> > >

> > > She had me take blood work yet again.

> > > this time she looked for free testerone which was on

> > the

> > > higher side at 2.52 and she said we need to discuss

> > this

> > > further. My concern is that she tested it in the am

> > which is

> > > when it is normally high..but im sure it wavers as the

> > day

> > > goes on.

> > > I tend to think there was an error or something in

> > the

> > > reading or it wa one test..

> > > I dont feel any different..im 31 and i have no sex

> > drive,

> > > no energy, cant remember much and cant even

> > concentrate all

> > > too often..not to mention sleeping issues..

> > >

> > > I tend to think that why is my TOTAL testerone so

> > low??

> > > when I should be higher, more like 500 or so?

> > >

> > > I think that my sex drive also must be a problem due

> > to

> > > some other hormone imbalance as well, maybe prolactin

> > level

> > > being too high or something aboute estradoil..or

> > whatever

> > > the name is??

> > >

> > > I never get horny..and thats odd for a 31 year old

> > male.

> > >

> > > can anyone give me any insight?

> > > Id really appreciate it

> > >

> > > Thankyou

> > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Again we have seens this in untreated prediabetic state because shbg is driven

in to the ground..Are you an over weight? have you have your thyroid evaluated?

> > >

> > > > From: ifpacpt <ifpacpt (DOT) com>

> > > > Subject: no sex drive, high free test

> > > 2.52 and low total testerone 190

> > > >

> > > > Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:07 AM

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > My name is Phil. I was recently diagnosed with low

> > > > testerone.

> > > > After a couple of blood work tests, my total levels

> > > came

> > > > back on the low end of the range at 190 and 210 out

> > > of

> > > > 1000.

> > > >

> > > > I spoke to my primary care and he sent me to a

> > > urologist

> > > > who thought they were low so he send me to a

> > > > endocrinologist.

> > > >

> > > > She had me take blood work yet again.

> > > > this time she looked for free testerone which was on

> > > the

> > > > higher side at 2.52 and she said we need to discuss

> > > this

> > > > further. My concern is that she tested it in the am

> > > which is

> > > > when it is normally high..but im sure it wavers as the

> > > day

> > > > goes on.

> > > > I tend to think there was an error or something in

> > > the

> > > > reading or it wa one test..

> > > > I dont feel any different..im 31 and i have no sex

> > > drive,

> > > > no energy, cant remember much and cant even

> > > concentrate all

> > > > too often..not to mention sleeping issues..

> > > >

> > > > I tend to think that why is my TOTAL testerone so

> > > low??

> > > > when I should be higher, more like 500 or so?

> > > >

> > > > I think that my sex drive also must be a problem due

> > > to

> > > > some other hormone imbalance as well, maybe prolactin

> > > level

> > > > being too high or something aboute estradoil..or

> > > whatever

> > > > the name is??

> > > >

> > > > I never get horny..and thats odd for a 31 year old

> > > male.

> > > >

> > > > can anyone give me any insight?

> > > > Id really appreciate it

> > > >

> > > > Thankyou

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

GEt it rechecked could be a lab error or contamination of blood during

transport.

> > > >

> > > > > From: ifpacpt <ifpacpt (DOT) com>

> > > > > Subject: no sex drive, high free test

> > > > 2.52 and low total testerone 190

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:07 AM

> > > > > Hello,

> > > > >

> > > > > My name is Phil. I was recently diagnosed with low

> > > > > testerone.

> > > > > After a couple of blood work tests, my total levels

> > > > came

> > > > > back on the low end of the range at 190 and 210 out

> > > > of

> > > > > 1000.

> > > > >

> > > > > I spoke to my primary care and he sent me to a

> > > > urologist

> > > > > who thought they were low so he send me to a

> > > > > endocrinologist.

> > > > >

> > > > > She had me take blood work yet again.

> > > > > this time she looked for free testerone which was on

> > > > the

> > > > > higher side at 2.52 and she said we need to discuss

> > > > this

> > > > > further. My concern is that she tested it in the am

> > > > which is

> > > > > when it is normally high..but im sure it wavers as the

> > > > day

> > > > > goes on.

> > > > > I tend to think there was an error or something in

> > > > the

> > > > > reading or it wa one test..

> > > > > I dont feel any different..im 31 and i have no sex

> > > > drive,

> > > > > no energy, cant remember much and cant even

> > > > concentrate all

> > > > > too often..not to mention sleeping issues..

> > > > >

> > > > > I tend to think that why is my TOTAL testerone so

> > > > low??

> > > > > when I should be higher, more like 500 or so?

> > > > >

> > > > > I think that my sex drive also must be a problem due

> > > > to

> > > > > some other hormone imbalance as well, maybe prolactin

> > > > level

> > > > > being too high or something aboute estradoil..or

> > > > whatever

> > > > > the name is??

> > > > >

> > > > > I never get horny..and thats odd for a 31 year old

> > > > male.

> > > > >

> > > > > can anyone give me any insight?

> > > > > Id really appreciate it

> > > > >

> > > > > Thankyou

> > > > > Phil

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I am overweight yes..but a lot is muscle..I'm a personal trainer..based strictly

on weight ..scale weight yes I'm overweight but muscular too...I'm 5 " 8 218 ..

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no sex drive, high free test

> > > 2.52 and low total testerone 190

> > > >

> > > > Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:07 AM

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > My name is Phil. I was recently diagnosed with low

> > > > testerone.

> > > > After a couple of blood work tests, my total levels

> > > came

> > > > back on the low end of the range at 190 and 210 out

> > > of

> > > > 1000.

> > > >

> > > > I spoke to my primary care and he sent me to a

> > > urologist

> > > > who thought they were low so he send me to a

> > > > endocrinologist.

> > > >

> > > > She had me take blood work yet again.

> > > > this time she looked for free testerone which was on

> > > the

> > > > higher side at 2.52 and she said we need to discuss

> > > this

> > > > further. My concern is that she tested it in the am

> > > which is

> > > > when it is normally high..but im sure it wavers as the

> > > day

> > > > goes on.

> > > > I tend to think there was an error or something in

> > > the

> > > > reading or it wa one test..

> > > > I dont feel any different..im 31 and i have no sex

> > > drive,

> > > > no energy, cant remember much and cant even

> > > concentrate all

> > > > too often..not to mention sleeping issues..

> > > >

> > > > I tend to think that why is my TOTAL testerone so

> > > low??

> > > > when I should be higher, more like 500 or so?

> > > >

> > > > I think that my sex drive also must be a problem due

> > > to

> > > > some other hormone imbalance as well, maybe prolactin

> > > level

> > > > being too high or something aboute estradoil..or

> > > whatever

> > > > the name is??

> > > >

> > > > I never get horny..and thats odd for a 31 year old

> > > male.

> > > >

> > > > can anyone give me any insight?

> > > > Id really appreciate it

> > > >

> > > > Thankyou

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

How would I determine prediabetic? Signs of it..

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no sex drive, high free test

> > > > 2.52 and low total testerone 190

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:07 AM

> > > > > Hello,

> > > > >

> > > > > My name is Phil. I was recently diagnosed with low

> > > > > testerone.

> > > > > After a couple of blood work tests, my total levels

> > > > came

> > > > > back on the low end of the range at 190 and 210 out

> > > > of

> > > > > 1000.

> > > > >

> > > > > I spoke to my primary care and he sent me to a

> > > > urologist

> > > > > who thought they were low so he send me to a

> > > > > endocrinologist.

> > > > >

> > > > > She had me take blood work yet again.

> > > > > this time she looked for free testerone which was on

> > > > the

> > > > > higher side at 2.52 and she said we need to discuss

> > > > this

> > > > > further. My concern is that she tested it in the am

> > > > which is

> > > > > when it is normally high..but im sure it wavers as the

> > > > day

> > > > > goes on.

> > > > > I tend to think there was an error or something in

> > > > the

> > > > > reading or it wa one test..

> > > > > I dont feel any different..im 31 and i have no sex

> > > > drive,

> > > > > no energy, cant remember much and cant even

> > > > concentrate all

> > > > > too often..not to mention sleeping issues..

> > > > >

> > > > > I tend to think that why is my TOTAL testerone so

> > > > low??

> > > > > when I should be higher, more like 500 or so?

> > > > >

> > > > > I think that my sex drive also must be a problem due

> > > > to

> > > > > some other hormone imbalance as well, maybe prolactin

> > > > level

> > > > > being too high or something aboute estradoil..or

> > > > whatever

> > > > > the name is??

> > > > >

> > > > > I never get horny..and thats odd for a 31 year old

> > > > male.

> > > > >

> > > > > can anyone give me any insight?

> > > > > Id really appreciate it

> > > > >

> > > > > Thankyou

> > > > > Phil

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:26:14 +0000, you wrote:

>I am overweight yes..but a lot is muscle..I'm a personal trainer..based

strictly on weight ..scale weight yes I'm overweight but muscular too...I'm 5 " 8

218 ..

Have you used steroids to put on that muscle?

[Guest guest]

No I'm not super huge..just decent built..the only time I used prphormes was

back in 06 for a month and never again..

I've done trobulus cycles

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Re: no sex drive, high free test 2.52 and low total

testerone 190

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:26:14 +0000, you wrote:

>I am overweight yes..but a lot is muscle..I'm a personal trainer..based

strictly on weight ..scale weight yes I'm overweight but muscular too...I'm 5 " 8

218 ..

Have you used steroids to put on that muscle?

[Guest guest]

5'8 218 puts you about 18-22% BF.

When it comes to calibers my eye has been more accurate then calipers or

machines. Simple answer to your quesiton if you have no other endocrine

disorders such as hypothyroidism or hyperthyroid, graves,ect and not been in

smoke filled rooms for extended peroid of time then I would concider this a lab

error.

>

> >I am overweight yes..but a lot is muscle..I'm a personal trainer..based

strictly on weight ..scale weight yes I'm overweight but muscular too...I'm 5 " 8

218 ..

>

>

> Have you used steroids to put on that muscle?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What would you consider a lab error?

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Re: no sex drive, high free test 2.52 and low total

testerone 190

5'8 218 puts you about 18-22% BF.

When it comes to calibers my eye has been more accurate then calipers or

machines. Simple answer to your quesiton if you have no other endocrine

disorders such as hypothyroidism or hyperthyroid, graves,ect and not been in

smoke filled rooms for extended peroid of time then I would concider this a lab

error.

>

> >I am overweight yes..but a lot is muscle..I'm a personal trainer..based

strictly on weight ..scale weight yes I'm overweight but muscular too...I'm 5 " 8

218 ..

>

>

> Have you used steroids to put on that muscle?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Free T that is expotentially higher in relationship to SHBG or bioT

> >

> > >I am overweight yes..but a lot is muscle..I'm a personal trainer..based

strictly on weight ..scale weight yes I'm overweight but muscular too...I'm 5 " 8

218 ..

> >

> >

> > Have you used steroids to put on that muscle?

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

So is the latest reading of low total test and high free test an error? I think

I would feel my test if it was high wouldn't I? The energy sex drive..etc

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Re: no sex drive, high free test 2.52 and low total

testerone 190

Free T that is expotentially higher in relationship to SHBG or bioT

> >

> > >I am overweight yes..but a lot is muscle..I'm a personal trainer..based

strictly on weight ..scale weight yes I'm overweight but muscular too...I'm 5 " 8

218 ..

> >

> >

> > Have you used steroids to put on that muscle?

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Why would u say it lab error?

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Re: no sex drive, high free test 2.52 and low total

testerone 190

Free T that is expotentially higher in relationship to SHBG or bioT

> >

> > >I am overweight yes..but a lot is muscle..I'm a personal trainer..based

strictly on weight ..scale weight yes I'm overweight but muscular too...I'm 5 " 8

218 ..

> >

> >

> > Have you used steroids to put on that muscle?

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

hardasnails, I got your post on Thanks for the reply.

Im trying to make sense of all of this. Its confusing to me.

As mentioned, my total testerone is coming it at around 190-210 in 3 different

tests. My FREE testerone was around 2.52 which was on he higher end but heres

the thing that I was told recently. Free testerone makes up, what 2% of total

testerone. So if my TOTAL levels are like 210 of , 2% of that isnt much as

opposed to say, 2% of 800 or 1000 total testerone!

You mentioned in your post that i should get my total test done again and my

shbg..

you nmentioned this will give me a clear picture of what is going on..why is

that?

im trying to learn..

thank you!

________________________________

From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 6:01:49 PM

Subject: Re: no sex drive, high free test 2.52 and low total

testerone 190

 

5'8 218 puts you about 18-22% BF.

When it comes to calibers my eye has been more accurate then calipers or

machines. Simple answer to your quesiton if you have no other endocrine

disorders such as hypothyroidism or hyperthyroid, graves,ect and not been in

smoke filled rooms for extended peroid of time then I would concider this a lab

error.

>

> >I am overweight yes..but a lot is muscle..I'm a personal trainer..based

strictly on weight ..scale weight yes I'm overweight but muscular too...I'm 5 " 8

218 ..

>

>

> Have you used steroids to put on that muscle?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:37:55 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>hardasnails, I got your post on Thanks for the reply.

>Im trying to make sense of all of this. Its confusing to me.

>

>As mentioned, my total testerone is coming it at around 190-210 in 3 different

tests. My FREE testerone was around 2.52 which was on he higher end but heres

the thing that I was told recently. Free testerone makes up, what 2% of total

testerone. So if my TOTAL levels are like 210 of , 2% of that isnt much as

opposed to say, 2% of 800 or 1000 total testerone!

>

>You mentioned in your post that i should get my total test done again and my

shbg..

>you nmentioned this will give me a clear picture of what is going on..why is

that?

>im trying to learn..

>

>thank you!

There are two methods of determining free testosterone. One is a lab

test that actually measures it, the other is an estimate done by ratio

of testosterone and SHBG. The estimate version is worthless at the

margins. Close enough near normal, bad out of that.