Re: Re: What do you do if stone is too big to pass and wont dissolve?

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I have heard that taking beet capsules can help soften stones. Dont know if

it actually works, but my naturopath friend swears it does. Good luck

I

>From: " Vince Richter " <new_man85@...>

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>Subject: Re: What do you do if stone is too big to pass and

>wont dissolve?

>Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 00:23:38 -0000

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>If I were in your shoes I'd add a gallon of organic apple juice per

>day for several days to my daily diet. There's lot's of reports of

>that softening and even dissolving stones. It may be synergistic

>with the herbs you are already taking. It can't hurt, but then I

>love apples anyway

>(I come from Washington State and grew up with two apple trees in my

>yard)

>

>Vince

>

>--- In gallstones , " farscape667 " <farscape66@a...>

>wrote:

> > Been taking Gold Coin GRass, Curcuma, and Coptis for 4 months now

>in

> > an attempt to dissolve a 2.8 cm solitary stone. The stone is

>still

> > there I can feel it. Its an uncomfortable feeling at times but it

> > makes it's presence known. Not pain but uncomfortable.

> > __

> > 2 more months before I have another ultrasound to see if it has

> > gotten smaller.

> > ___

> > If it's small enough I will flush it away.

> > ___

> > If it's still the same huge size then what are my options? Surgery?

>

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I agree with Vince (tho I'm not sure about the gallon/day, but if you can

drink it, it might give you near immediate relief) Organic apple cider

vinegar is great at dissolving stones. It is the number one supplement we

use with all goats, llamas, and fowl - placed in their waterers. They love

it and it prevents urinary calculi, which is stones...it is the easiest and

the #1 method in all my holistic animal health books for reducing the size

of stones, therey allowing them to pass.

Happy Howling,

& Critters

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Vince Richter " <new_man85@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 5:23 PM

Subject: Re: What do you do if stone is too big to pass and

wont dissolve?

> If I were in your shoes I'd add a gallon of organic apple juice per

> day for several days to my daily diet. There's lot's of reports of

> that softening and even dissolving stones. It may be synergistic

> with the herbs you are already taking. It can't hurt, but then I

> love apples anyway

> (I come from Washington State and grew up with two apple trees in my

> yard)

>

> Vince

>

>

> > Been taking Gold Coin GRass, Curcuma, and Coptis for 4 months now

> in

> > an attempt to dissolve a 2.8 cm solitary stone. The stone is

> still

> > there I can feel it. Its an uncomfortable feeling at times but it

> > makes it's presence known. Not pain but uncomfortable.

> > __

> > 2 more months before I have another ultrasound to see if it has

> > gotten smaller.

> > ___

> > If it's small enough I will flush it away.

> > ___

> > If it's still the same huge size then what are my options? Surgery?

>

>

>

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> I have heard that taking beet capsules can help soften stones. Dont know

if

> it actually works, but my naturopath friend swears it does. Good luck

Yes, I believe betafood is beet leaves or root :-)

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At 07:49 PM 05-05-03 -0500, Schurdevin stated:

>I have heard that taking beet capsules can help soften stones. Dont know if

>it actually works, but my naturopath friend swears it does. Good luck

With all due respect, is a report of " I have heard that it works " really

deserving of propagation here?

Is this our alternative to conventional medicine?

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At 06:22 PM 05-05-03 -0700, & Critters stated:

>I agree with Vince (tho I'm not sure about the gallon/day, but if you can

>drink it, it might give you near immediate relief) Organic apple cider

>vinegar is great at dissolving stones. It is the number one supplement we

>use with all goats, llamas, and fowl - placed in their waterers. They love

>it and it prevents urinary calculi, which is stones...it is the easiest and

>the #1 method in all my holistic animal health books for reducing the size

>of stones, therey allowing them to pass.

I think this may have been written with tongue in cheek.

In any event, the connection between kidney stones and gallbladder stones

is not so clear, and the techniques for treating one are not applicable to

the other.

>Happy Howling,

Very cute!

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Wally,

Yes, I do beleive that my suggestion is " deserving of propagation " , I trust

my source as she has had experience with this and just because I have not

doesnt mean that I cant help someone else out with a suggestion. I think

with gallstones, it wouldnt hurt to try everything as an alternative to

surgery, as nothing is " proven " . Everyone has there opinion about

alternative treatments and I thought this group was for sharing experience

and suggestions???? I didnt have luck with any of these alternatives and I

lost my gallbladder, but that doesnt mean that noone else will. Forgive me

if I am just trying to help others keep their galbladders and their health.

>From: Wally Gordon <wally.gordon@...>

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>Subject: Re: Re: What do you do if stone is too big to pass

>and wont dissolve?

>Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:41:16 +0300

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>At 07:49 PM 05-05-03 -0500, Schurdevin stated:

>

>

> >I have heard that taking beet capsules can help soften stones. Dont know

>if

> >it actually works, but my naturopath friend swears it does. Good luck

>

>With all due respect, is a report of " I have heard that it works " really

>deserving of propagation here?

>

>Is this our alternative to conventional medicine?

>

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Any possible natural remedy or solution that a person has to offer is " deserving

of propagation here " . We only recently went through a debate on this list,

involving people demanding " scientific " evidence for natural health cures. I for

one am grateful for anything anyone has to offer that might help my condition. I

am in much better shape gallbladder-wise, then I was a year ago, due to

utilizing supplement suggestions and other information sent to this list. I

think we are all adults, and as such, are capable of deciding which treatments

we wish to pursue. If one doesn't work for us (which is not to say it might not

work for someone else), we can try another.

Please, , or anyone else wishing to offer suggestions on treatments.

Do not Let Mr. Gordon or any other skeptic intimidate you into silence. We need

your help.

AMDG,

Colleen K.

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From: Wally Gordon

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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: What do you do if stone is too big to pass and

wont dissolve?

At 07:49 PM 05-05-03 -0500, Schurdevin stated:

>I have heard that taking beet capsules can help soften stones. Dont know if

>it actually works, but my naturopath friend swears it does. Good luck

With all due respect, is a report of " I have heard that it works " really

deserving of propagation here?

Is this our alternative to conventional medicine?

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remsmom01 said:

>Wally,

>Yes, I do beleive that my suggestion is " deserving of propagation " , I trust

>my source as she has had experience with this and just because I have not

>doesnt mean that I cant help someone else out with a suggestion. I think

>with gallstones, it wouldnt hurt to try everything as an alternative to

>surgery, as nothing is " proven " . Everyone has there opinion about

>alternative treatments and I thought this group was for sharing experience

>and suggestions???? I didnt have luck with any of these alternatives and I

>lost my gallbladder, but that doesnt mean that noone else will. Forgive me

>if I am just trying to help others keep their galbladders and their health.

I certainly agree that helpful suggestions are always welcome.

An example of a helpful suggestion would be, " the use of such-and-such a

technique has proved successful in the case of my brother, my daughters,

400 subjects in the local hospital, 4,000 rabbits. "

A much less helpful suggestion would be, " I have no information that

such-and-such technique is effective, but the grocer told me that he thinks

it should help. "

I hope that this difference is clear to all now, and apologize if I was

unclear previously.

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Hi :

How much Apple Cider Vinegar should one take to dissolve stones?

Len

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> Hi :

> How much Apple Cider Vinegar should one take to dissolve stones?

> Len

Hi Len ~

I went searching through some of my books, as someone had mentioned kidney

stones are different from gallstones and we use organic (ACV) apple cider

vinegar regularly in our livestock waterers, for prevention of urinary

calculii or kidney stones. Here is some of the info I found:

From " Prescription for Nutritional Healing, page 390, If you have an attack

(gallbladder), drink 1 tbsp. of apple cider in a glass of apple juice. This

should relieve the pain quickly. If the pain does not subside, go to the

emergency room to rule out other disorders such as gastroesophogeal reflux

disease (GERD) or heart problems. "

From the book, " The Miracles of Apple Cider Vinegar Health System, page 21,

ACV can help dissolve some types of kidney stones. Drink 8-10 glasses of

pure liquids - especially organic cranberry juice, as this acidifies urine,

inhibiting bacterial growth. Add 1/3 tsp. ACV to each glass. " On page 22

of this same book, it lists a 2 day gallbladder flush using ACV, apple

juice, and olive oil..

Most of our work is animal health related and I have few books with regards

to human health and most of those are homeopathic or herbal. I can say,

that organic apple cider vinegar is full of vitamins and a few minerals and

if taken 1 tsp. to 1 tbsp. in a glass of water, 3x/day, you will notice an

increase in energy, amongst possibly other things, as ACV is good for

arthritis, gout, various skin conditions (internally and externally taken),

overweight, underweight, respiratory conditions, diarrhea, constipation,

digestion, etc. Reference, " The Complete Cider Vinegar " for more info,

along with the above mentioned ACV book.

We use distilled vinegar (only for external uses, never taken internally) to

clean the deposits that accumulate on the sink faucet strainers, as well as

drip system emitters. Just soaking in distilled water removes these

deposits, so ACV does dissolve things, tho I cannot say for certain it

dissolves gallstones. ACV also alkalizes the body, even tho it is acidic.

If you are having gallstone trouble, I would suggest looking into the book,

" The Liver Cleansing Diet " , by Dr. Cabot. After 20 years working as

a medical doctor, she realized many people's problems stem from toxic

livers. She states, in a period of 2 years, using the liver cleansing diet

on 1540 of her patients, the success rate measured by parameters of weight

loss and general overall well-being has been 100% in patients who maintained

the cleansing diet and program.

Maybe someone else knows of 'definitive' info, but I would suggest just

giving it a try, I think a quart of organic ACV at the health food store is

$3. I, personally, even like the sourish taste it lends to my glass of

water.

Happy Howling,

& Critters

Wolf Creek Ranch

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Home of Whispering Winds Wholistic Animal Sanctuary

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doing it. "

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:

Thank you for all that good info on ACV, I've started using Bragg's ACV.

Len