Re: Need some help, please

August 25, 2009

For his aortic aneurysm did they talk about fixing this with sugary. I tried

Pellets but the Dr. I used did not give me enough of them 700 mgs is nothing for

a man and if he is over 200 lbs in weight he needs about 1600 mgs to last. I

can't find a good Dr. that will give me pellets for a good price they all here

in MI. what to give you less to keep you coming back so they can make more

money. Pellets are designed to last 3 to 4 months your Dad's levels might fall

in 2 months. My BCBS will not pay for them so I can't see paying this amount of

money every 2 months.

I feel your dads problems with BPH and ED are due to high high Estradiol levels

he needs to test this and if it's over 30 pg/ml get on some arimidex to get this

down some men his age are very high the older we get the more Estradiol we make

and going on TRT we make even more of it.

High level of Estradiol can make a mans prostate enlarge and slow down his

voiding and cause bladder infections. When I was first tested I had BPH bad and

even had sugary for it this only worked for a yr. then the problem came back.

My Estradiol E2 test at over 90 my Dr. put me on .5 mgs one half a of a one mgs

pill. In six weeks I got my involuntary nocturnal erections that appear during

REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep back after not having them for over 35 yrs. Also

I was having Panic Attacks in the middle of the night, I had a bad rash on the

back of my legs and under my arms that nothing helped and I had bad ED and could

not reach an orgasm this was going on for about 10 yrs. Getting my Estradiol

down fixed all of this and my Prostate went down.

I helped an 85 yr old man that came here that was on TRT through the VA he

needed to use a penis pump and a penis ring to have sex with his wife God Bless

them they were still having sex. He tested his Estradiol levels they were very

high so he went on Arimidex and he was shocked to find the first thing to come

back after many yrs. was his involuntary nocturnal erections that appear during

REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep.

He then was able to have sex without the pump and ring but as with all of use

men after having ED we worry about it working when we go to have sex and this

kills it. So I told this man to go on Cialis 20 mgs and take it every 3 days

this works you can worry all you want it will stay up. God bless my Dr. for

telling me this in time I did not need cialis the worry was gone.

Now about his Testosterone levels when we have high Estradiol levels it takes

away from the good the testosterone we add to our body. Are SHBG levels go up

and this binds up the Testosterone in are body. So if you do a Quest Labs Test

#4021 to test his Estradiol and find it high getting this down lowers SHBG and

Free's up Free Testosterone.

Most of the men do good getting there Testosterone levels up into the upper 1/3

of there labs range and by keeping there Estradiol down to about 20 pg/ml they

feel great. High Estradiol will make a men feel very bad brain fog, fatigue,

ED, problems reaching an orgasm, feeling of panic or anxiety.

If he turns out high and I feel he is Taking arimidex is very strong most Dr.'s

don't know what dose to give men it's best to start with half a one mg. pill

every other day first thing to come back would be his night time and morning

wood it will be so strong it will wake him up this we call the sweet spot that

best level for his Estradiol. Keep taking the arimidex but watch for his wood

to stop this happens when his Estradiol levels go down to low it will kill wood

dead. So just stop the arimidex until the wood comes back then that day to back

on it but do less take .25 mgs or 1/4 of a pill every 2 to 3 days this is the

dose that works for most of use. Using wood to gage not to go down to low works

great so have him keep a log on what he is taking and how his wood is. Some

times we go back up to high and some of us get sore and hard nipples this is a

clue we are going to high. But between labs and gaging wood we do great.

Here are some links and as for Pellets go to messages at the home page and do a

search on them and read some of the older posts. We have a member here that has

been on them for yrs I believe he is in his late 70's. Here is his Email his

nick is in this maybe he will jump in here.

ernestnolan@...

Here are some good links for you to read and your dad.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://www.thehiddendisease.com/

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

A lot of use men use HCG go to www.allthingsmale.com and Read TRT: A Recipe for

Success and the HCG update Dr. putts this out there free for use and are

Dr.'s he is one of the best male hormone Dr.'s out there. He is a cut and paste

of a reply to me from him to help me get my Dr. to let me use HCG.

==============================================================

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Whitfield <starlightvisions@...>

> Subject: Need some help, please

>

> Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 10:53 PM

> Hi,

>

> I am new to this group but I am posting in regards to my

> dad, who is

> 81, and he doesn't have a clue how to work a computer.

> My dad had T

> pellets inserted 5 weeks ago. He had 700mg. Alittle history

> on him.

> He is 81, pretty healthy considering his age. He had a very

> active sex

> life way into his mid 70's, than everything came to a

> screeching halt.

> He has BPH and was diagnosed in his early sixties, and has

> been on

> flomax since than. He has it monitored and has been stable.

> He was

> diagnosed with an aortic aneurysm 3 years ago, which is

> also monitored

> every 6 months. Other than that his health is fairly good.

> His

> symptoms were fatigue, lack of energy, decreased stamina,

> muscle loss,

> (even though he goes to the gym), lack of motivation, lack

> of desire,

> loss of erection, ect.

>

> The DR tested him (blood work) and bear with me cause this

> is from

> memory.

> His total T is: 495

> Free T 0.8

> DHEA 33

> E 30

>

> Ok, now we are at 5 weeks pellet insert and many things

> have improved,

> but the erectile Dysfunction. His desire is coming back,

> his energy is

> good during the day, but he tires easily at night. And this

> is someone

> who gets up LATE, like 1pm in the afternoon. His motivation

> is better,

> and his mood definitly improved. Now about 4 weeks, he had

> aggression,

> meaning very irritable!! That lasted for about 4 days and

> than

> disappeared. He is very concerned about his sex life and

> feels maybe

> it is just old age. But he now has some of that libido

> back, but he

> says he is not getting morning erections, and if

> stimulated, he gets

> semi erect, and doesn't last.

> He wants to know how someone who was so gung ho about sex

> and active

> in his mid thirties to now not even sustaining or achieving

> erections??

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated. The Dr put him on

> amitrex(sp)

> 2x a week, and has his blood drawn last week. He sees the

> dr on Sept

> 1st. I personally don't care for the dr to much, but he is

> the only

> one we know that will treat him for this at his age.

> How do his

> numbers look to you, and do you think they are responsible

> for his ED

> problems??

>

> Also, how long before the pellets work? its been 5 weeks.

> Is it still

> to early?

>

> Thanks a bunch!!

>

> Liz

>

> ------------------------------------

>

August 25, 2009

Hi Phil,

Thank you for your response. Did you see the numbers of my dad's blood

work? He is taking the amitrex twice a week. The dr put him on that

right away. I don't understand, being on 5 weeks into the pellets and

he his still not achieving morning or night erections. He put him on

700mg of pellets cause he said it is better to start low than to high.

Most Dr's wont touch a man his age, cause they said there is not

enough research to support that pellets would even work for someone

his age. Well, they are wrong, they seem to be working for everything

but the sexual issues. He aid he is happy with everything else, but

that.I can't say I blame him.I am also on pellets, and go for my next

insert this friday. This is my second insert. It's the only method

that I seem to absorb. The only problem I face is the correct ratio.

They tend to give women to high T and not enough E. Thats what

happened to me the last insert. I told my Doc, Hey treat me like a

woman not a man!! I switched Dr's cause not happy with him, but now my

poor dad is stuck with him, cause no one else will do it for him, but

this guy.

If you look at his blood work, does it raise any flags??

On Aug 25, 2009, at 10:11 AM, philip georgian wrote:

> For his aortic aneurysm did they talk about fixing this with sugary.

> I tried Pellets but the Dr. I used did not give me enough of them

> 700 mgs is nothing for a man and if he is over 200 lbs in weight he

> needs about 1600 mgs to last. I can't find a good Dr. that will give

> me pellets for a good price they all here in MI. what to give you

> less to keep you coming back so they can make more money. Pellets

> are designed to last 3 to 4 months your Dad's levels might fall in 2

> months. My BCBS will not pay for them so I can't see paying this

> amount of money every 2 months.

>

> I feel your dads problems with BPH and ED are due to high high

> Estradiol levels he needs to test this and if it's over 30 pg/ml get

> on some arimidex to get this down some men his age are very high the

> older we get the more Estradiol we make and going on TRT we make

> even more of it.

>

> High level of Estradiol can make a mans prostate enlarge and slow

> down his voiding and cause bladder infections. When I was first

> tested I had BPH bad and even had sugary for it this only worked for

> a yr. then the problem came back.

>

> My Estradiol E2 test at over 90 my Dr. put me on .5 mgs one half a

> of a one mgs pill. In six weeks I got my involuntary nocturnal

> erections that appear during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep back

> after not having them for over 35 yrs. Also I was having Panic

> Attacks in the middle of the night, I had a bad rash on the back of

> my legs and under my arms that nothing helped and I had bad ED and

> could not reach an orgasm this was going on for about 10 yrs.

> Getting my Estradiol down fixed all of this and my Prostate went down.

>

> I helped an 85 yr old man that came here that was on TRT through the

> VA he needed to use a penis pump and a penis ring to have sex with

> his wife God Bless them they were still having sex. He tested his

> Estradiol levels they were very high so he went on Arimidex and he

> was shocked to find the first thing to come back after many yrs. was

> his involuntary nocturnal erections that appear during REM (Rapid

> Eye Movement) sleep.

>

> He then was able to have sex without the pump and ring but as with

> all of use men after having ED we worry about it working when we go

> to have sex and this kills it. So I told this man to go on Cialis 20

> mgs and take it every 3 days this works you can worry all you want

> it will stay up. God bless my Dr. for telling me this in time I did

> not need cialis the worry was gone.

>

> Now about his Testosterone levels when we have high Estradiol levels

> it takes away from the good the testosterone we add to our body. Are

> SHBG levels go up and this binds up the Testosterone in are body. So

> if you do a Quest Labs Test #4021 to test his Estradiol and find it

> high getting this down lowers SHBG and Free's up Free Testosterone.

>

> Most of the men do good getting there Testosterone levels up into

> the upper 1/3 of there labs range and by keeping there Estradiol

> down to about 20 pg/ml they feel great. High Estradiol will make a

> men feel very bad brain fog, fatigue, ED, problems reaching an

> orgasm, feeling of panic or anxiety.

>

> If he turns out high and I feel he is Taking arimidex is very strong

> most Dr.'s don't know what dose to give men it's best to start with

> half a one mg. pill every other day first thing to come back would

> be his night time and morning wood it will be so strong it will wake

> him up this we call the sweet spot that best level for his

> Estradiol. Keep taking the arimidex but watch for his wood to stop

> this happens when his Estradiol levels go down to low it will kill

> wood dead. So just stop the arimidex until the wood comes back then

> that day to back on it but do less take .25 mgs or 1/4 of a pill

> every 2 to 3 days this is the dose that works for most of use. Using

> wood to gage not to go down to low works great so have him keep a

> log on what he is taking and how his wood is. Some times we go back

> up to high and some of us get sore and hard nipples this is a clue

> we are going to high. But between labs and gaging wood we do great.

>

> Here are some links and as for Pellets go to messages at the home

> page and do a search on them and read some of the older posts. We

> have a member here that has been on them for yrs I believe he is in

> his late 70's. Here is his Email his nick is in this maybe he will

> jump in here.

> ernestnolan@...

>

> Here are some good links for you to read and your dad.

> http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

> http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

> http://www.thehiddendisease.com/

> http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

>

> A lot of use men use HCG go to www.allthingsmale.com and Read TRT: A

> Recipe for Success and the HCG update Dr. putts this out there

> free for use and are Dr.'s he is one of the best male hormone Dr.'s

> out there. He is a cut and paste of a reply to me from him to help

> me get my Dr. to let me use HCG.

> ==============================================================

> He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am

> guessing) there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are

> several reasons why this is not so. First, you have not lost all

> Leydig cells, so any HCG you take will stimulate those who still

> function to produce endogenous testosterone.

>

> This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this

> aesthetic consideration.

>

> Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as

> all TRT patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased

> pregenenolone levels, which is the first step after CHOL in all

> three hormonal pathways which begin with CHOL. HCG increases

> pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more natural

> balance of our hormones.

>

> Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens

> report an increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are

> genuine quality of life issues.

>

> Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors

> (including those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

> > From: Whitfield <starlightvisions@...>

> > Subject: Need some help, please

> >

> > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 10:53 PM

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am new to this group but I am posting in regards to my

> > dad, who is

> > 81, and he doesn't have a clue how to work a computer.

> > My dad had T

> > pellets inserted 5 weeks ago. He had 700mg. Alittle history

> > on him.

> > He is 81, pretty healthy considering his age. He had a very

> > active sex

> > life way into his mid 70's, than everything came to a

> > screeching halt.

> > He has BPH and was diagnosed in his early sixties, and has

> > been on

> > flomax since than. He has it monitored and has been stable.

> > He was

> > diagnosed with an aortic aneurysm 3 years ago, which is

> > also monitored

> > every 6 months. Other than that his health is fairly good.

> > His

> > symptoms were fatigue, lack of energy, decreased stamina,

> > muscle loss,

> > (even though he goes to the gym), lack of motivation, lack

> > of desire,

> > loss of erection, ect.

> >

> > The DR tested him (blood work) and bear with me cause this

> > is from

> > memory.

> > His total T is: 495

> > Free T 0.8

> > DHEA 33

> > E 30

> >

> > Ok, now we are at 5 weeks pellet insert and many things

> > have improved,

> > but the erectile Dysfunction. His desire is coming back,

> > his energy is

> > good during the day, but he tires easily at night. And this

> > is someone

> > who gets up LATE, like 1pm in the afternoon. His motivation

> > is better,

> > and his mood definitly improved. Now about 4 weeks, he had

> > aggression,

> > meaning very irritable!! That lasted for about 4 days and

> > than

> > disappeared. He is very concerned about his sex life and

> > feels maybe

> > it is just old age. But he now has some of that libido

> > back, but he

> > says he is not getting morning erections, and if

> > stimulated, he gets

> > semi erect, and doesn't last.

> > He wants to know how someone who was so gung ho about sex

> > and active

> > in his mid thirties to now not even sustaining or achieving

> > erections??

> >

> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. The Dr put him on

> > amitrex(sp)

> > 2x a week, and has his blood drawn last week. He sees the

> > dr on Sept

> > 1st. I personally don't care for the dr to much, but he is

> > the only

> > one we know that will treat him for this at his age.

> > How do his

> > numbers look to you, and do you think they are responsible

> > for his ED

> > problems??

> >

> > Also, how long before the pellets work? its been 5 weeks.

> > Is it still

> > to early?

> >

> > Thanks a bunch!!

> >

> > Liz

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

August 25, 2009

Oh Phil I forgot to mention. No, need to have the surgery for his

aortic aneurysm as of yet, it's still on the small side. He monitors

it every 6 months. Will the flomax that he has been taking for 25

years have an impact on impotency?