Re: 1 week on Nebido, jumping off

[Guest guest]

You would need to go at least 6 weeks before doing your 100mgs of T shots a

week. One thing that might have happened is your estradiol when way up after

the Nebido shot. So take the DIM one tablet per day at dinner when your morning

wood comes back you will know it was to high. Keep taking the DIM but if your

wood stops stop the DIM you might be going down to low. When your wood comes

back that day go back on the DIM but cut the tablet in half. That is if your

taking Indolplex/Dim.

I would give the Nebido some time I have read guys are doing good on it in the

UK.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ttwenties <ttwenties@...>

> Subject: 1 week on Nebido, jumping off

>

> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:21 PM

> Hi all!

> Can't say I'm glad to be posting here again about

> hormones. I hope u'll forgive me

>

> After almost one year of blood exams and trying to find out

> what is wrong with me, I started taking measures.

>

> A little background... (you can skip this part)

> My LH and FSH have been going down on each new blood test,

> Testosterone stays low (not going further down though),

> symptoms getting worse. E2 sometimes low sometimes high. TSH

> was high, then it corrected itself alone. Cortisol was

> always low, but ACTH as well. ACTH stim test responded good.

> DHEA low, androstenedione low.

> For some time I entertained myself with the possibility of

> thyroid problems and adrenal fatigue. But now it has to

> stop.

> The only thing that made me feel better was during 2 weeks

> last year that I tried Testosterone Enanthate injection.

>

> So, back to the present, I started Nebido 1000mg exactly

> one week ago.

> This is a fairly new formulation, not yet available in the

> USA. The protocol is to take one injection every 12 weeks,

> with the 2nd injection only 6 weeks apart from the first one

> (i.e. the loading phase).

> The thing is that 1 week after, my levels of Testosterone

> should now be satisfactory, and I doubt they are more than

> 500ng/dl.

> I must say that in day 2 and day 3 I had nocturnal

> erections (although weak), which I haven't felt in a

> long time.

> But after that, I started feeling again symptoms of low T.

> Could this be because at day 2/3 my endogenous production

> was not yet supressed, and now it is, and I'm now only

> getting the T from the slow-release of the injection?

>

> Anyway, I think I can do a better job by giving weekly

> injections of Testosterone Enanthat or Cypionate. My goal is

> to keep my T levels " pratically " stable at the top

> of the normal range.

> I need advice on how to do this.

>

> The initial dose is 100mg T Enanthate or 100mg Cypionate

> per week, right? Since Nebido will still act in my body for

> a few more weeks, I'm thinking of taking 50mg per week

> until then. What do you think?

>

> Another concern of mine is estrogen. For the past months

> I've felt symptoms of a low T:E ratio, like increase in

> abdominal fat, and breast fat. I'm now taking 50mg Zinc

> per day. I also ordered DIM. How much should I take per day?

> (on the label says 1 or 2 pills per day for men)

>

> I wish I had better results to report, especially from such

> a hyped medication as Nebido.

> I'm so tired of hormonal problems. Every day it passes

> I'm losing my body fitness, I'm losing my hair,

> I'm losing my happyness. I need to turn the tables on

> this soon.

> I'll be checking here every day for your helpful

> responses.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

Nebido claims to restore T levels to normal range during a period of 12 weeks.

Not to a stable high level. I need my levels to be around 700-800 stable.

I can't wait more 3 months only to discover that it is working moderatly.

I read that Nebido is released for about 21 days after the injection. So I'd

expect that after 1 week after injection, I'd be able to at least have sex.

I mean, if I feel this bad right now, then when the slow-release is over,

testosterone will go even lower.

Estradiol might be the cause, but I don't think so.

I think I gave Nebido a chance to raise my T enough for me not to have symptoms.

I read some studies about Nebido, and usually the variations were from 800 to

400 during the 3-month injection period.

I'm more interested in fine-tuning my T levels so that I keep them always in the

top third of the range.

So I'll be doing blood tests, and for the first 6 weeks maybe only injecting

50mgs of T shots a week.

>

> > From: ttwenties <ttwenties@...>

> > Subject: 1 week on Nebido, jumping off

> >

> > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:21 PM

> > Hi all!

> > Can't say I'm glad to be posting here again about

> > hormones. I hope u'll forgive me

> >

> > After almost one year of blood exams and trying to find out

> > what is wrong with me, I started taking measures.

> >

> > A little background... (you can skip this part)

> > My LH and FSH have been going down on each new blood test,

> > Testosterone stays low (not going further down though),

> > symptoms getting worse. E2 sometimes low sometimes high. TSH

> > was high, then it corrected itself alone. Cortisol was

> > always low, but ACTH as well. ACTH stim test responded good.

> > DHEA low, androstenedione low.

> > For some time I entertained myself with the possibility of

> > thyroid problems and adrenal fatigue. But now it has to

> > stop.

> > The only thing that made me feel better was during 2 weeks

> > last year that I tried Testosterone Enanthate injection.

> >

> > So, back to the present, I started Nebido 1000mg exactly

> > one week ago.

> > This is a fairly new formulation, not yet available in the

> > USA. The protocol is to take one injection every 12 weeks,

> > with the 2nd injection only 6 weeks apart from the first one

> > (i.e. the loading phase).

> > The thing is that 1 week after, my levels of Testosterone

> > should now be satisfactory, and I doubt they are more than

> > 500ng/dl.

> > I must say that in day 2 and day 3 I had nocturnal

> > erections (although weak), which I haven't felt in a

> > long time.

> > But after that, I started feeling again symptoms of low T.

> > Could this be because at day 2/3 my endogenous production

> > was not yet supressed, and now it is, and I'm now only

> > getting the T from the slow-release of the injection?

> >

> > Anyway, I think I can do a better job by giving weekly

> > injections of Testosterone Enanthat or Cypionate. My goal is

> > to keep my T levels " pratically " stable at the top

> > of the normal range.

> > I need advice on how to do this.

> >

> > The initial dose is 100mg T Enanthate or 100mg Cypionate

> > per week, right? Since Nebido will still act in my body for

> > a few more weeks, I'm thinking of taking 50mg per week

> > until then. What do you think?

> >

> > Another concern of mine is estrogen. For the past months

> > I've felt symptoms of a low T:E ratio, like increase in

> > abdominal fat, and breast fat. I'm now taking 50mg Zinc

> > per day. I also ordered DIM. How much should I take per day?

> > (on the label says 1 or 2 pills per day for men)

> >

> > I wish I had better results to report, especially from such

> > a hyped medication as Nebido.

> > I'm so tired of hormonal problems. Every day it passes

> > I'm losing my body fitness, I'm losing my hair,

> > I'm losing my happyness. I need to turn the tables on

> > this soon.

> > I'll be checking here every day for your helpful

> > responses.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

When they first started using this in the UK guys felt the same way that it does

not work or get levels up high enough. One thing you can do is get some gels of

compounded creams that you can use everyday. You can add this right away one or

2 Dr.'s did this to keep his men feeling better on Nebido.

If you can get or do gels you better off your levels will be the same from day

to day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ttwenties <ttwenties@...>

> Subject: Re: 1 week on Nebido, jumping off

>

> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:46 PM

> Hi Phil,

>

> Nebido claims to restore T levels to normal range during a

> period of 12 weeks. Not to a stable high level. I need my

> levels to be around 700-800 stable.

> I can't wait more 3 months only to discover that it is

> working moderatly.

>

> I read that Nebido is released for about 21 days after the

> injection. So I'd expect that after 1 week after

> injection, I'd be able to at least have sex.

> I mean, if I feel this bad right now, then when the

> slow-release is over, testosterone will go even lower.

>

> Estradiol might be the cause, but I don't think so.

> I think I gave Nebido a chance to raise my T enough for me

> not to have symptoms.

> I read some studies about Nebido, and usually the

> variations were from 800 to 400 during the 3-month injection

> period.

> I'm more interested in fine-tuning my T levels so that

> I keep them always in the top third of the range.

>

> So I'll be doing blood tests, and for the first 6 weeks

> maybe only injecting 50mgs of T shots a week.

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: ttwenties <ttwenties@...>

> > > Subject: 1 week on Nebido, jumping

> off

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:21 PM

> > > Hi all!

> > > Can't say I'm glad to be posting here

> again about

> > > hormones. I hope u'll forgive me

> > >

> > > After almost one year of blood exams and trying

> to find out

> > > what is wrong with me, I started taking measures.

> > >

> > > A little background... (you can skip this part)

> > > My LH and FSH have been going down on each new

> blood test,

> > > Testosterone stays low (not going further down

> though),

> > > symptoms getting worse. E2 sometimes low

> sometimes high. TSH

> > > was high, then it corrected itself alone.

> Cortisol was

> > > always low, but ACTH as well. ACTH stim test

> responded good.

> > > DHEA low, androstenedione low.

> > > For some time I entertained myself with the

> possibility of

> > > thyroid problems and adrenal fatigue. But now it

> has to

> > > stop.

> > > The only thing that made me feel better was

> during 2 weeks

> > > last year that I tried Testosterone Enanthate

> injection.

> > >

> > > So, back to the present, I started Nebido 1000mg

> exactly

> > > one week ago.

> > > This is a fairly new formulation, not yet

> available in the

> > > USA. The protocol is to take one injection every

> 12 weeks,

> > > with the 2nd injection only 6 weeks apart from

> the first one

> > > (i.e. the loading phase).

> > > The thing is that 1 week after, my levels of

> Testosterone

> > > should now be satisfactory, and I doubt they are

> more than

> > > 500ng/dl.

> > > I must say that in day 2 and day 3 I had

> nocturnal

> > > erections (although weak), which I haven't

> felt in a

> > > long time.

> > > But after that, I started feeling again symptoms

> of low T.

> > > Could this be because at day 2/3 my endogenous

> production

> > > was not yet supressed, and now it is, and I'm

> now only

> > > getting the T from the slow-release of the

> injection?

> > >

> > > Anyway, I think I can do a better job by giving

> weekly

> > > injections of Testosterone Enanthat or Cypionate.

> My goal is

> > > to keep my T levels " pratically " stable

> at the top

> > > of the normal range.

> > > I need advice on how to do this.

> > >

> > > The initial dose is 100mg T Enanthate or 100mg

> Cypionate

> > > per week, right? Since Nebido will still act in

> my body for

> > > a few more weeks, I'm thinking of taking 50mg

> per week

> > > until then. What do you think?

> > >

> > > Another concern of mine is estrogen. For the past

> months

> > > I've felt symptoms of a low T:E ratio, like

> increase in

> > > abdominal fat, and breast fat. I'm now taking

> 50mg Zinc

> > > per day. I also ordered DIM. How much should I

> take per day?

> > > (on the label says 1 or 2 pills per day for men)

> > >

> > > I wish I had better results to report, especially

> from such

> > > a hyped medication as Nebido.

> > > I'm so tired of hormonal problems. Every day

> it passes

> > > I'm losing my body fitness, I'm losing my

> hair,

> > > I'm losing my happyness. I need to turn the

> tables on

> > > this soon.

> > > I'll be checking here every day for your

> helpful

> > > responses.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

yeah gels are ok, but I read that they convert to DHT and Estrogen much more

than shots.

Besides being much more messy.

I prefer to do shots. I think you also do it.

So instead of a small amount of gel concurrently with Nebido, for now I think I

could take 50mgs per week and see how that makes me feel.

It's all testosterone in the end, and I'll try to control with DIM. I'll keep

Arimidex as a last resort if things get out of hand.

I don't think it will, on weekly shots.

> > >

> > > > From: ttwenties <ttwenties@>

> > > > Subject: 1 week on Nebido, jumping

> > off

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:21 PM

> > > > Hi all!

> > > > Can't say I'm glad to be posting here

> > again about

> > > > hormones. I hope u'll forgive me

> > > >

> > > > After almost one year of blood exams and trying

> > to find out

> > > > what is wrong with me, I started taking measures.

> > > >

> > > > A little background... (you can skip this part)

> > > > My LH and FSH have been going down on each new

> > blood test,

> > > > Testosterone stays low (not going further down

> > though),

> > > > symptoms getting worse. E2 sometimes low

> > sometimes high. TSH

> > > > was high, then it corrected itself alone.

> > Cortisol was

> > > > always low, but ACTH as well. ACTH stim test

> > responded good.

> > > > DHEA low, androstenedione low.

> > > > For some time I entertained myself with the

> > possibility of

> > > > thyroid problems and adrenal fatigue. But now it

> > has to

> > > > stop.

> > > > The only thing that made me feel better was

> > during 2 weeks

> > > > last year that I tried Testosterone Enanthate

> > injection.

> > > >

> > > > So, back to the present, I started Nebido 1000mg

> > exactly

> > > > one week ago.

> > > > This is a fairly new formulation, not yet

> > available in the

> > > > USA. The protocol is to take one injection every

> > 12 weeks,

> > > > with the 2nd injection only 6 weeks apart from

> > the first one

> > > > (i.e. the loading phase).

> > > > The thing is that 1 week after, my levels of

> > Testosterone

> > > > should now be satisfactory, and I doubt they are

> > more than

> > > > 500ng/dl.

> > > > I must say that in day 2 and day 3 I had

> > nocturnal

> > > > erections (although weak), which I haven't

> > felt in a

> > > > long time.

> > > > But after that, I started feeling again symptoms

> > of low T.

> > > > Could this be because at day 2/3 my endogenous

> > production

> > > > was not yet supressed, and now it is, and I'm

> > now only

> > > > getting the T from the slow-release of the

> > injection?

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I think I can do a better job by giving

> > weekly

> > > > injections of Testosterone Enanthat or Cypionate.

> > My goal is

> > > > to keep my T levels " pratically " stable

> > at the top

> > > > of the normal range.

> > > > I need advice on how to do this.

> > > >

> > > > The initial dose is 100mg T Enanthate or 100mg

> > Cypionate

> > > > per week, right? Since Nebido will still act in

> > my body for

> > > > a few more weeks, I'm thinking of taking 50mg

> > per week

> > > > until then. What do you think?

> > > >

> > > > Another concern of mine is estrogen. For the past

> > months

> > > > I've felt symptoms of a low T:E ratio, like

> > increase in

> > > > abdominal fat, and breast fat. I'm now taking

> > 50mg Zinc

> > > > per day. I also ordered DIM. How much should I

> > take per day?

> > > > (on the label says 1 or 2 pills per day for men)

> > > >

> > > > I wish I had better results to report, especially

> > from such

> > > > a hyped medication as Nebido.

> > > > I'm so tired of hormonal problems. Every day

> > it passes

> > > > I'm losing my body fitness, I'm losing my

> > hair,

> > > > I'm losing my happyness. I need to turn the

> > tables on

> > > > this soon.

> > > > I'll be checking here every day for your

> > helpful

> > > > responses.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Some of us have big problems with estradiol I am one of them. I take a .5 mg.

1/2 a pill of arimidex every 4 days. My wood is great but I have lost a lot of

weight so now I find my estradiol is a little less of a problem.

I can't tell you how the shot will go I myself would not do this to soon the

Nebido is slow release and you could end up in very high levels this will stress

out your adrenels big time and then your thyroid could act up.

Try doing a lower dose if you feel the need 50mgs is to much just after doing a

shot of Nebido. Like 25 mgs if you get a feeling like your high after the shot

for 3 days your doing to much body builders would get addicted to doing this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ttwenties <ttwenties@...>

> Subject: Re: 1 week on Nebido, jumping off

>

> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 5:39 PM

> yeah gels are ok, but I read that they convert to DHT and

> Estrogen much more than shots.

> Besides being much more messy.

>

> I prefer to do shots. I think you also do it.

> So instead of a small amount of gel concurrently with

> Nebido, for now I think I could take 50mgs per week and see

> how that makes me feel.

>

> It's all testosterone in the end, and I'll try to

> control with DIM. I'll keep Arimidex as a last resort if

> things get out of hand.

> I don't think it will, on weekly shots.

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: ttwenties <ttwenties@>

> > > > > Subject: 1 week on

> Nebido, jumping

> > > off

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:21 PM

> > > > > Hi all!

> > > > > Can't say I'm glad to be

> posting here

> > > again about

> > > > > hormones. I hope u'll forgive me

> > > > >

> > > > > After almost one year of blood exams

> and trying

> > > to find out

> > > > > what is wrong with me, I started taking

> measures.

> > > > >

> > > > > A little background... (you can skip

> this part)

> > > > > My LH and FSH have been going down on

> each new

> > > blood test,

> > > > > Testosterone stays low (not going

> further down

> > > though),

> > > > > symptoms getting worse. E2 sometimes

> low

> > > sometimes high. TSH

> > > > > was high, then it corrected itself

> alone.

> > > Cortisol was

> > > > > always low, but ACTH as well. ACTH stim

> test

> > > responded good.

> > > > > DHEA low, androstenedione low.

> > > > > For some time I entertained myself with

> the

> > > possibility of

> > > > > thyroid problems and adrenal fatigue.

> But now it

> > > has to

> > > > > stop.

> > > > > The only thing that made me feel better

> was

> > > during 2 weeks

> > > > > last year that I tried Testosterone

> Enanthate

> > > injection.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, back to the present, I started

> Nebido 1000mg

> > > exactly

> > > > > one week ago.

> > > > > This is a fairly new formulation, not

> yet

> > > available in the

> > > > > USA. The protocol is to take one

> injection every

> > > 12 weeks,

> > > > > with the 2nd injection only 6 weeks

> apart from

> > > the first one

> > > > > (i.e. the loading phase).

> > > > > The thing is that 1 week after, my

> levels of

> > > Testosterone

> > > > > should now be satisfactory, and I doubt

> they are

> > > more than

> > > > > 500ng/dl.

> > > > > I must say that in day 2 and day 3 I

> had

> > > nocturnal

> > > > > erections (although weak), which I

> haven't

> > > felt in a

> > > > > long time.

> > > > > But after that, I started feeling again

> symptoms

> > > of low T.

> > > > > Could this be because at day 2/3 my

> endogenous

> > > production

> > > > > was not yet supressed, and now it is,

> and I'm

> > > now only

> > > > > getting the T from the slow-release of

> the

> > > injection?

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, I think I can do a better job

> by giving

> > > weekly

> > > > > injections of Testosterone Enanthat or

> Cypionate.

> > > My goal is

> > > > > to keep my T levels

> " pratically " stable

> > > at the top

> > > > > of the normal range.

> > > > > I need advice on how to do this.

> > > > >

> > > > > The initial dose is 100mg T Enanthate

> or 100mg

> > > Cypionate

> > > > > per week, right? Since Nebido will

> still act in

> > > my body for

> > > > > a few more weeks, I'm thinking of

> taking 50mg

> > > per week

> > > > > until then. What do you think?

> > > > >

> > > > > Another concern of mine is estrogen.

> For the past

> > > months

> > > > > I've felt symptoms of a low T:E

> ratio, like

> > > increase in

> > > > > abdominal fat, and breast fat. I'm

> now taking

> > > 50mg Zinc

> > > > > per day. I also ordered DIM. How much

> should I

> > > take per day?

> > > > > (on the label says 1 or 2 pills per day

> for men)

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish I had better results to report,

> especially

> > > from such

> > > > > a hyped medication as Nebido.

> > > > > I'm so tired of hormonal problems.

> Every day

> > > it passes

> > > > > I'm losing my body fitness, I'm

> losing my

> > > hair,

> > > > > I'm losing my happyness. I need to

> turn the

> > > tables on

> > > > > this soon.

> > > > > I'll be checking here every day for

> your

> > > helpful

> > > > > responses.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Gels don't do this to all men Dr. has most of his men on creams and gels

and they do very good. Here is a link to his forum go there and read up on

this.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s= & daysprune= & f=2

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ttwenties <ttwenties@...>

> Subject: Re: 1 week on Nebido, jumping off

>

> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 6:07 PM

> yeah gels are ok, but I read that they convert to DHT and

> Estrogen much more than shots.

> Besides being much more messy.

>

> I prefer to do shots. I think you also do it.

> So instead of a small amount of gel concurrently with

> Nebido, for now I think I could take 50mgs per week and see

> how that makes me feel.

>

> It's all testosterone in the end, and I'll try to

> control with DIM. I'll keep Arimidex as a last resort if

> things get out of hand.

> I don't think it will, on weekly shots.

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: ttwenties <ttwenties@>

> > > > > Subject: 1 week on

> Nebido, jumping

> > > off

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:21 PM

> > > > > Hi all!

> > > > > Can't say I'm glad to be

> posting here

> > > again about

> > > > > hormones. I hope u'll forgive me

> > > > >

> > > > > After almost one year of blood exams

> and trying

> > > to find out

> > > > > what is wrong with me, I started taking

> measures.

> > > > >

> > > > > A little background... (you can skip

> this part)

> > > > > My LH and FSH have been going down on

> each new

> > > blood test,

> > > > > Testosterone stays low (not going

> further down

> > > though),

> > > > > symptoms getting worse. E2 sometimes

> low

> > > sometimes high. TSH

> > > > > was high, then it corrected itself

> alone.

> > > Cortisol was

> > > > > always low, but ACTH as well. ACTH stim

> test

> > > responded good.

> > > > > DHEA low, androstenedione low.

> > > > > For some time I entertained myself with

> the

> > > possibility of

> > > > > thyroid problems and adrenal fatigue.

> But now it

> > > has to

> > > > > stop.

> > > > > The only thing that made me feel better

> was

> > > during 2 weeks

> > > > > last year that I tried Testosterone

> Enanthate

> > > injection.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, back to the present, I started

> Nebido 1000mg

> > > exactly

> > > > > one week ago.

> > > > > This is a fairly new formulation, not

> yet

> > > available in the

> > > > > USA. The protocol is to take one

> injection every

> > > 12 weeks,

> > > > > with the 2nd injection only 6 weeks

> apart from

> > > the first one

> > > > > (i.e. the loading phase).

> > > > > The thing is that 1 week after, my

> levels of

> > > Testosterone

> > > > > should now be satisfactory, and I doubt

> they are

> > > more than

> > > > > 500ng/dl.

> > > > > I must say that in day 2 and day 3 I

> had

> > > nocturnal

> > > > > erections (although weak), which I

> haven't

> > > felt in a

> > > > > long time.

> > > > > But after that, I started feeling again

> symptoms

> > > of low T.

> > > > > Could this be because at day 2/3 my

> endogenous

> > > production

> > > > > was not yet supressed, and now it is,

> and I'm

> > > now only

> > > > > getting the T from the slow-release of

> the

> > > injection?

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, I think I can do a better job

> by giving

> > > weekly

> > > > > injections of Testosterone Enanthat or

> Cypionate.

> > > My goal is

> > > > > to keep my T levels

> " pratically " stable

> > > at the top

> > > > > of the normal range.

> > > > > I need advice on how to do this.

> > > > >

> > > > > The initial dose is 100mg T Enanthate

> or 100mg

> > > Cypionate

> > > > > per week, right? Since Nebido will

> still act in

> > > my body for

> > > > > a few more weeks, I'm thinking of

> taking 50mg

> > > per week

> > > > > until then. What do you think?

> > > > >

> > > > > Another concern of mine is estrogen.

> For the past

> > > months

> > > > > I've felt symptoms of a low T:E

> ratio, like

> > > increase in

> > > > > abdominal fat, and breast fat. I'm

> now taking

> > > 50mg Zinc

> > > > > per day. I also ordered DIM. How much

> should I

> > > take per day?

> > > > > (on the label says 1 or 2 pills per day

> for men)

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish I had better results to report,

> especially

> > > from such

> > > > > a hyped medication as Nebido.

> > > > > I'm so tired of hormonal problems.

> Every day

> > > it passes

> > > > > I'm losing my body fitness, I'm

> losing my

> > > hair,

> > > > > I'm losing my happyness. I need to

> turn the

> > > tables on

> > > > > this soon.

> > > > > I'll be checking here every day for

> your

> > > helpful

> > > > > responses.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

" Very high levels " ?

I can't have sex now. So you think taking 50mg is risky?

Body builders do 250mg per week.

The normal protocol of taking 100mg per week even requires the first injection

to be of 200mg for loading.

So 25mg? That's nothing.

The side effect that I can get from doing a normal shot of 100mg at this point

is feeling good for once, after almost 6 months of feeling like sh*t.

I know you're trying to help, but every time I post about something I intend to

do (either by reading a lot in the internet, or by the doctor's advice) there is

ALWAYS many people saying not to do, because there is this side-effect or that,

or that I should first do another test, or one more blood work. That perhaps if

you wait, things would get normal... that perhaps I should do an expensive test

for corner cases.

I'm done with that, I'll try to do a shot of 100mg, and I'll get bloodwork done

before and after.

Hopefully I'll feel better and I'll be able to actually have sex, instead of

just waiting and debating aroung my every decisions on this matter.

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: ttwenties <ttwenties@>

> > > > > > Subject: 1 week on

> > Nebido, jumping

> > > > off

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:21 PM

> > > > > > Hi all!

> > > > > > Can't say I'm glad to be

> > posting here

> > > > again about

> > > > > > hormones. I hope u'll forgive me

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After almost one year of blood exams

> > and trying

> > > > to find out

> > > > > > what is wrong with me, I started taking

> > measures.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A little background... (you can skip

> > this part)

> > > > > > My LH and FSH have been going down on

> > each new

> > > > blood test,

> > > > > > Testosterone stays low (not going

> > further down

> > > > though),

> > > > > > symptoms getting worse. E2 sometimes

> > low

> > > > sometimes high. TSH

> > > > > > was high, then it corrected itself

> > alone.

> > > > Cortisol was

> > > > > > always low, but ACTH as well. ACTH stim

> > test

> > > > responded good.

> > > > > > DHEA low, androstenedione low.

> > > > > > For some time I entertained myself with

> > the

> > > > possibility of

> > > > > > thyroid problems and adrenal fatigue.

> > But now it

> > > > has to

> > > > > > stop.

> > > > > > The only thing that made me feel better

> > was

> > > > during 2 weeks

> > > > > > last year that I tried Testosterone

> > Enanthate

> > > > injection.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, back to the present, I started

> > Nebido 1000mg

> > > > exactly

> > > > > > one week ago.

> > > > > > This is a fairly new formulation, not

> > yet

> > > > available in the

> > > > > > USA. The protocol is to take one

> > injection every

> > > > 12 weeks,

> > > > > > with the 2nd injection only 6 weeks

> > apart from

> > > > the first one

> > > > > > (i.e. the loading phase).

> > > > > > The thing is that 1 week after, my

> > levels of

> > > > Testosterone

> > > > > > should now be satisfactory, and I doubt

> > they are

> > > > more than

> > > > > > 500ng/dl.

> > > > > > I must say that in day 2 and day 3 I

> > had

> > > > nocturnal

> > > > > > erections (although weak), which I

> > haven't

> > > > felt in a

> > > > > > long time.

> > > > > > But after that, I started feeling again

> > symptoms

> > > > of low T.

> > > > > > Could this be because at day 2/3 my

> > endogenous

> > > > production

> > > > > > was not yet supressed, and now it is,

> > and I'm

> > > > now only

> > > > > > getting the T from the slow-release of

> > the

> > > > injection?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway, I think I can do a better job

> > by giving

> > > > weekly

> > > > > > injections of Testosterone Enanthat or

> > Cypionate.

> > > > My goal is

> > > > > > to keep my T levels

> > " pratically " stable

> > > > at the top

> > > > > > of the normal range.

> > > > > > I need advice on how to do this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The initial dose is 100mg T Enanthate

> > or 100mg

> > > > Cypionate

> > > > > > per week, right? Since Nebido will

> > still act in

> > > > my body for

> > > > > > a few more weeks, I'm thinking of

> > taking 50mg

> > > > per week

> > > > > > until then. What do you think?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another concern of mine is estrogen.

> > For the past

> > > > months

> > > > > > I've felt symptoms of a low T:E

> > ratio, like

> > > > increase in

> > > > > > abdominal fat, and breast fat. I'm

> > now taking

> > > > 50mg Zinc

> > > > > > per day. I also ordered DIM. How much

> > should I

> > > > take per day?

> > > > > > (on the label says 1 or 2 pills per day

> > for men)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wish I had better results to report,

> > especially

> > > > from such

> > > > > > a hyped medication as Nebido.

> > > > > > I'm so tired of hormonal problems.

> > Every day

> > > > it passes

> > > > > > I'm losing my body fitness, I'm

> > losing my

> > > > hair,

> > > > > > I'm losing my happyness. I need to

> > turn the

> > > > tables on

> > > > > > this soon.

> > > > > > I'll be checking here every day for

> > your

> > > > helpful

> > > > > > responses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I know how you feel been there done that and after a long time of feeling bad

you can't wait to feel better. Body Builders end up on TRT because of doing to

much steriods and testosterone is a steriod. You can shut down your Adrenals

and mess up your thyroid doing to much or going to high on your levels. This is

why I say give it a few weeks to get the Nebido out of your body then do the 100

mgs shots.

Some men that start on TRT get a jump in how they feel and this always falls

back some. Then then feel TRT is not enough and want more it took me over a yr.

to get tuned up most don't feel better for some time after starting TRT. First

you need to get up into the right levels that make you feel good and keep your

estradiol down. Most of us on TRT end up with high Estradiol and this makes you

feel dam bad.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ttwenties <ttwenties@...>

> Subject: Re: 1 week on Nebido, jumping off

>

> Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 6:29 PM

> " Very high levels " ?

>

> I can't have sex now. So you think taking 50mg is

> risky?

> Body builders do 250mg per week.

> The normal protocol of taking 100mg per week even requires

> the first injection to be of 200mg for loading.

>

> So 25mg? That's nothing.

> The side effect that I can get from doing a normal shot of

> 100mg at this point is feeling good for once, after almost 6

> months of feeling like sh*t.

>

> I know you're trying to help, but every time I post

> about something I intend to do (either by reading a lot in

> the internet, or by the doctor's advice) there is ALWAYS

> many people saying not to do, because there is this

> side-effect or that, or that I should first do another test,

> or one more blood work. That perhaps if you wait, things

> would get normal... that perhaps I should do an expensive

> test for corner cases.

> I'm done with that, I'll try to do a shot of 100mg,

> and I'll get bloodwork done before and after.

> Hopefully I'll feel better and I'll be able to

> actually have sex, instead of just waiting and debating

> aroung my every decisions on this matter.

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: ttwenties

> <ttwenties@>

> > > > > > > Subject: 1

> week on

> > > Nebido, jumping

> > > > > off

> > > > > > > To:

>

> > > > > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009,

> 7:21 PM

> > > > > > > Hi all!

> > > > > > > Can't say I'm glad to

> be

> > > posting here

> > > > > again about

> > > > > > > hormones. I hope u'll

> forgive me

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After almost one year of

> blood exams

> > > and trying

> > > > > to find out

> > > > > > > what is wrong with me, I

> started taking

> > > measures.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A little background... (you

> can skip

> > > this part)

> > > > > > > My LH and FSH have been going

> down on

> > > each new

> > > > > blood test,

> > > > > > > Testosterone stays low (not

> going

> > > further down

> > > > > though),

> > > > > > > symptoms getting worse. E2

> sometimes

> > > low

> > > > > sometimes high. TSH

> > > > > > > was high, then it corrected

> itself

> > > alone.

> > > > > Cortisol was

> > > > > > > always low, but ACTH as well.

> ACTH stim

> > > test

> > > > > responded good.

> > > > > > > DHEA low, androstenedione

> low.

> > > > > > > For some time I entertained

> myself with

> > > the

> > > > > possibility of

> > > > > > > thyroid problems and adrenal

> fatigue.

> > > But now it

> > > > > has to

> > > > > > > stop.

> > > > > > > The only thing that made me

> feel better

> > > was

> > > > > during 2 weeks

> > > > > > > last year that I tried

> Testosterone

> > > Enanthate

> > > > > injection.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, back to the present, I

> started

> > > Nebido 1000mg

> > > > > exactly

> > > > > > > one week ago.

> > > > > > > This is a fairly new

> formulation, not

> > > yet

> > > > > available in the

> > > > > > > USA. The protocol is to take

> one

> > > injection every

> > > > > 12 weeks,

> > > > > > > with the 2nd injection only 6

> weeks

> > > apart from

> > > > > the first one

> > > > > > > (i.e. the loading phase).

> > > > > > > The thing is that 1 week

> after, my

> > > levels of

> > > > > Testosterone

> > > > > > > should now be satisfactory,

> and I doubt

> > > they are

> > > > > more than

> > > > > > > 500ng/dl.

> > > > > > > I must say that in day 2 and

> day 3 I

> > > had

> > > > > nocturnal

> > > > > > > erections (although weak),

> which I

> > > haven't

> > > > > felt in a

> > > > > > > long time.

> > > > > > > But after that, I started

> feeling again

> > > symptoms

> > > > > of low T.

> > > > > > > Could this be because at day

> 2/3 my

> > > endogenous

> > > > > production

> > > > > > > was not yet supressed, and

> now it is,

> > > and I'm

> > > > > now only

> > > > > > > getting the T from the

> slow-release of

> > > the

> > > > > injection?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway, I think I can do a

> better job

> > > by giving

> > > > > weekly

> > > > > > > injections of Testosterone

> Enanthat or

> > > Cypionate.

> > > > > My goal is

> > > > > > > to keep my T levels

> > > " pratically " stable

> > > > > at the top

> > > > > > > of the normal range.

> > > > > > > I need advice on how to do

> this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The initial dose is 100mg T

> Enanthate

> > > or 100mg

> > > > > Cypionate

> > > > > > > per week, right? Since Nebido

> will

> > > still act in

> > > > > my body for

> > > > > > > a few more weeks, I'm

> thinking of

> > > taking 50mg

> > > > > per week

> > > > > > > until then. What do you

> think?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another concern of mine is

> estrogen.

> > > For the past

> > > > > months

> > > > > > > I've felt symptoms of a

> low T:E

> > > ratio, like

> > > > > increase in

> > > > > > > abdominal fat, and breast

> fat. I'm

> > > now taking

> > > > > 50mg Zinc

> > > > > > > per day. I also ordered DIM.

> How much

> > > should I

> > > > > take per day?

> > > > > > > (on the label says 1 or 2

> pills per day

> > > for men)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I wish I had better results

> to report,

> > > especially

> > > > > from such

> > > > > > > a hyped medication as Nebido.

> > > > > > > I'm so tired of hormonal

> problems.

> > > Every day

> > > > > it passes

> > > > > > > I'm losing my body

> fitness, I'm

> > > losing my

> > > > > hair,

> > > > > > > I'm losing my happyness.

> I need to

> > > turn the

> > > > > tables on

> > > > > > > this soon.

> > > > > > > I'll be checking here

> every day for

> > > your

> > > > > helpful

> > > > > > > responses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >