Blood Test results , feeling like crap

[Guest guest]

Sorry In advance for such a long post.

Preface:

20 Years old

5'11 185lbs

Good physical shape

Never done a cycle

I've taken Finasteride (For Male Pattern Baldness) During the course of Spring -

Fall 2007. I was feeling fine for the whole of 2008, but starting this april, i

began experiencing what i can only think is Low T / High E. I haven't Touched

Fin for over a year.

Side effects

getting dizzy

lightheaded

NO MORNING ERRECTIONS EVER, I never Wake up with an errection.

no more motivation for the gym

TIRDENESS, not crippling, but energy levels vary at 50-70%

Much Longer Recovery times from working out

STIFF back especially upon waking up.

General aches and pains, nothing i cant handle but fuck, its annoying.

Feeling 'heavy headed', like it takes more time to process information when im

walking around, especially if i'm in an unfamiliar area.

GYNO, which is so fucked up because im a naturally skinny guy, worked out alot

and put on about 30 lbs. I have hard tissue behind my nipples, and my nipples

are puffy (but NOT sensitive). Tissue isnt huge, but noticeable in certain

positions. I had gyno during puberty, but i think it flared up recently.

Softer looking body

Lower Libido -- also if i ejaculate more than once in a given day (like say 4

hours apart or something). I feel what i can only describe as pain in the

prostate region, very uncomfortable for around 3-5 minutes.

WATERY SPERM

Sometimes trip over my own words when im talking, might just be nervousness IDK.

Basically i'm tired of feeling like a useless body and i know its not normal for

a 20 year old to feel like this....

Blood Tests. TAKEN AT 9:00 AM

NOTE: ESTRADIOL TESTS WERENT " ULTRA-SENSENSITIVE " , MY LAB DIDNT OFFER THAT TEST.

DHT tests are Pending.

Now i realize i dont qualify as hypo gonadal, but i definitely dont feel right.

And the thing is, last year my Regular Testosterone was 18.7 (same as now), BUT,

free Testosterone was ~55. So apparently it went down by 20%!.

I Dont want to use Exogenous hormones, I'm Only 20 years old! so i was thinking

this:

Since i want to get rid of my GYNO, I was advised to use Aromasin (Exemestane)

at 12.5 mg - 25 mg / day along with PramiPexole for prolactin Supression at .5

mg a day. Should i maybe add Clomid in the mix? I want to naturally boost my T

production instead of relying on TRT or something like that. I'm under the

Halfway zone in FREE - Testosterone, something i dont like.

Please feel free to ask questions about my situation, maybe i left something

out.

[Guest guest]

>

> Sorry In advance for such a long post.

>

> Preface:

>

> 20 Years old

> 5'11 185lbs

> Good physical shape

> Never done a cycle

>

> I've taken Finasteride (For Male Pattern Baldness) During the course of Spring

- Fall 2007. I was feeling fine for the whole of 2008, but starting this april,

i began experiencing what i can only think is Low T / High E. I haven't Touched

Fin for over a year.

>

> Side effects

>

> getting dizzy

>

> lightheaded

>

> NO MORNING ERRECTIONS EVER, I never Wake up with an errection.

>

> no more motivation for the gym

>

> TIRDENESS, not crippling, but energy levels vary at 50-70%

>

> Much Longer Recovery times from working out

>

> STIFF back especially upon waking up.

>

> General aches and pains, nothing i cant handle but fuck, its annoying.

>

> Feeling 'heavy headed', like it takes more time to process information when im

walking around, especially if i'm in an unfamiliar area.

>

> GYNO, which is so fucked up because im a naturally skinny guy, worked out alot

and put on about 30 lbs. I have hard tissue behind my nipples, and my nipples

are puffy (but NOT sensitive). Tissue isnt huge, but noticeable in certain

positions. I had gyno during puberty, but i think it flared up recently.

>

> Softer looking body

>

> Lower Libido -- also if i ejaculate more than once in a given day (like say 4

hours apart or something). I feel what i can only describe as pain in the

prostate region, very uncomfortable for around 3-5 minutes.

>

> WATERY SPERM

>

> Sometimes trip over my own words when im talking, might just be nervousness

IDK.

>

> Basically i'm tired of feeling like a useless body and i know its not normal

for a 20 year old to feel like this....

>

>

>

>

> Blood Tests. TAKEN AT 9:00 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> NOTE: ESTRADIOL TESTS WERENT " ULTRA-SENSENSITIVE " , MY LAB DIDNT OFFER THAT

TEST.

>

> DHT tests are Pending.

>

>

> Now i realize i dont qualify as hypo gonadal, but i definitely dont feel

right. And the thing is, last year my Regular Testosterone was 18.7 (same as

now), BUT, free Testosterone was ~55. So apparently it went down by 20%!.

>

> I Dont want to use Exogenous hormones, I'm Only 20 years old! so i was

thinking this:

>

> Since i want to get rid of my GYNO, I was advised to use Aromasin (Exemestane)

at 12.5 mg - 25 mg / day along with PramiPexole for prolactin Supression at .5

mg a day. Should i maybe add Clomid in the mix? I want to naturally boost my T

production instead of relying on TRT or something like that. I'm under the

Halfway zone in FREE - Testosterone, something i dont like.

>

> Please feel free to ask questions about my situation, maybe i left something

out.

>

Any ideas?

[Guest guest]

A lot of your results look within the reference range, though some are toward

the lower end. Estradiol looks decent at 86 pmol/L (I think that converts to 23

pg/mL, which is within the optimal range of 20-35 pg/mL).

Your DHT result may be quite helpful, since finasteride aims to lower DHT (by

preventing the conversion of T to DHT). DHT is androgenic than testosterone &

opposes the activity of estradiol, so a low level may make the body more

sensitive to estradiol. Additionally, there are reports that men who have used

finasteride sometimes experience persistent erectile dysfunction despite

discontinuation of the drug. ED is referenced as the major side effect that

causes men to discontinue finasteride, & gynecomastia is also listed as a

potential side effect.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride#Side_effects)

Role of DHT as antagonist of estradiol & possible relationship of finasteride in

gynecomastia:

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride#Propecia.27s_effects_in_detail)

About.com's comment about finasteride & erectile dysfunction:

http://adam.about.com/reports/000015_3.htm

Propecia/finasteride leaflet information- notes that some men experience

persistent side effects despite discontinuing the drug:

(http://www.lakemedelsverket.se/SPC_PIL/Pdf/enhumpil/Propecia%20film-coated%20ta\

blet%20ENG.pdf)

Unfortunately, there are some conflicting reports from different sources

concerning what percentage of men experience erectile dysfunction from using

finasteride. There have been other drug companies which have under reported the

frequency of side effects, so this might be worthwhile to research.

If your DHT does come back low, you might need to consider hormone replacement.

I don't know of any natural way that is proven to raise DHT, though I have heard

that green tea can elevate it.

~Xian

> >

> > Sorry In advance for such a long post.

> >

> > Preface:

> >

> > 20 Years old

> > 5'11 185lbs

> > Good physical shape

> > Never done a cycle

> >

> > I've taken Finasteride (For Male Pattern Baldness) During the course of

Spring - Fall 2007. I was feeling fine for the whole of 2008, but starting this

april, i began experiencing what i can only think is Low T / High E. I haven't

Touched Fin for over a year.

> >

> > Side effects

> >

> > getting dizzy

> >

> > lightheaded

> >

> > NO MORNING ERRECTIONS EVER, I never Wake up with an errection.

> >

> > no more motivation for the gym

> >

> > TIRDENESS, not crippling, but energy levels vary at 50-70%

> >

> > Much Longer Recovery times from working out

> >

> > STIFF back especially upon waking up.

> >

> > General aches and pains, nothing i cant handle but fuck, its annoying.

> >

> > Feeling 'heavy headed', like it takes more time to process information when

im walking around, especially if i'm in an unfamiliar area.

> >

> > GYNO, which is so fucked up because im a naturally skinny guy, worked out

alot and put on about 30 lbs. I have hard tissue behind my nipples, and my

nipples are puffy (but NOT sensitive). Tissue isnt huge, but noticeable in

certain positions. I had gyno during puberty, but i think it flared up

recently.

> >

> > Softer looking body

> >

> > Lower Libido -- also if i ejaculate more than once in a given day (like say

4 hours apart or something). I feel what i can only describe as pain in the

prostate region, very uncomfortable for around 3-5 minutes.

> >

> > WATERY SPERM

> >

> > Sometimes trip over my own words when im talking, might just be nervousness

IDK.

> >

> > Basically i'm tired of feeling like a useless body and i know its not normal

for a 20 year old to feel like this....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Blood Tests. TAKEN AT 9:00 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > NOTE: ESTRADIOL TESTS WERENT " ULTRA-SENSENSITIVE " , MY LAB DIDNT OFFER THAT

TEST.

> >

> > DHT tests are Pending.

> >

> >

> > Now i realize i dont qualify as hypo gonadal, but i definitely dont feel

right. And the thing is, last year my Regular Testosterone was 18.7 (same as

now), BUT, free Testosterone was ~55. So apparently it went down by 20%!.

> >

> > I Dont want to use Exogenous hormones, I'm Only 20 years old! so i was

thinking this:

> >

> > Since i want to get rid of my GYNO, I was advised to use Aromasin

(Exemestane) at 12.5 mg - 25 mg / day along with PramiPexole for prolactin

Supression at .5 mg a day. Should i maybe add Clomid in the mix? I want to

naturally boost my T production instead of relying on TRT or something like

that. I'm under the Halfway zone in FREE - Testosterone, something i dont like.

> >

> > Please feel free to ask questions about my situation, maybe i left something

out.

> >

> Any ideas?

>

[Guest guest]

> > Sorry In advance for such a long post.

> >

> > Preface:

> >

> > 20 Years old

> > 5'11 185lbs

> > Good physical shape

> > Never done a cycle

> >

> > I've taken Finasteride (For Male Pattern Baldness) During the course of

Spring - Fall 2007. I was feeling fine for the whole of 2008, but starting this

april, i began experiencing what i can only think is Low T / High E. I haven't

Touched Fin for over a year.

get thee to a testosterone clinic (if your city has one) or an endo and have

your testosterone levels checked (actually get total test, free test, sensitive

e2, shbg, dhea, might as well get liver and cholesterol while you're at it)

finasteride may help people with " male pattern baldness " ... but realize it's

because eunuchs don't go bald... and you don't necessarily start producing test

on your own after being dosed with that stuff.

you're not the only guy here that took it and now regrets it.

also head over to the files section and read up while you're waiting for your

doctor's appointment to come up.