Re: Dragging ass - Confused

September 26, 2006

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 06:45:57 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Hi Rich

>

> I'm very confused right now. I had labs drawn after the Endo visit (3rd day

after 80mg shot) and last night he said over the phone that my levels came back

at 650 Total T (241-847) and 3.4 Free T (.95 - 4.8 range). didn't check

Estradiol. said LH/FSH were normal??? Not sure how while on TRT.

Probably LH and FSH are very low " normal " or he realizes they don't

have a role anymore and used " normal " as a brush off. No big deal .

FSH and LH are meaningless on TRT unless you have HCG involved.

>

> What the hell could've happened. last labs on 100mg/wk came back Total T 1288

after 5th day of shot with 76 E2. now it's 650?

I'd guess the 1288 was not accurate.

I find 650 a pretty good level. It's median for most age groups. If

you can manage E2 it's a pretty good level. Personally I shoot for 600

to 700.

> also, Endo is confused as to why i wasn't feeling better with T levels at

1288...why i felt the same as to T levels in 300 range. I guess he doesn't

understand E2? is it possible T labs were mistaken the 1st time (1288

readings). i wasn't using gels so that couldn't have spiked it.

Very definitely an E2 issue. I can't imagine anyone having 1200 levels

without really high E2. You wouldn;t feel the T much at all with the

levels of E2 that would generate for most of us.

> wife talked to him last night and he didn't sound promising as to what to do

next. I was an interesting case that he is taking to the rest of the Endo's at

some clinic. he wants labs drawn 2 weeks from now (6 week mark) and said we'll

see what they say and go from there. fear is that my T may in fact come back

low..but he doesn't think raising T is the answer cuz my T in 1200 range didn't

do anything for me.

Bring him some info on E2.

>

> I guess I need to pull some studies quoting E2 and problems it causes.

Ah you've got it! Exactly.

>wife and i are both a little confused/scared. hoping to hear more optimism out

of the Endo but didn't get it.

Fear not. Just bring him the arimidex and E2 studies, a snippet from

CHrisler's on E2 www.allthingsmale.com . And urge him (gently) to give

it a try. Once you find out what your E2 level is post here and

people will help you dose the arimidex.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

September 26, 2006

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:00:24 -0000, you wrote:

>Phils right about the stress too. There's two things I've read about

>that can really chew through testosterone levels: stress and illness.

>You read about some poor guy who's really stretched to the limit

>worrying about something and you think...uh, well, first off...settle

>down, settle down. Theres an answer in there somewhere.

>And talk about differences between Drs. - One time I happen to have

>two appointments on the same day, at different times. The 1st Dr took

>my blood pressure and pronounced it good at 110/70. The 2nd Dr.

>(actually his nurse, on this occasion) read the BP at 160/95 (and,

>no, the nurse was nothing to look at.) I suspect the 1st Dr was half

>deaf. Never take anything at point blank value (and that includes any

>of my " diagnoses " , either.)

>Rich

The question there though is if it " eats " T i.e. leads to fast

metabolization or if the brain signals it not to be produced. This i

an important distinction. IT's long been know that biological stress

results in less hormone production. If you're struggling to live, find

enough food etc. the body is not going to waste energy on reproductive

activities, particularly when reproduction could result in your death

and inability to see genes thrown to the next generation. Hence

starving women stop having periods. Holocaust camp inmates stopped

hormone production, etc.

The reason this difference is important is if you are on TRT if its

being metabolized you have a problem. If it s production that's slowed

TRT guys will continue to have adequate levels.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

September 27, 2006

-That-, I don't know. And I wouldn't mind knowing the answer just to

round out more of the background, the inner workings of testosterone.

Wherever I read it, all that I remember was that it was presented

that way and that was that. It would seem in the case of illness,

testosterone would be used as fast metabolization to fight infection.

(but then, biology is not my field.) Stress may also need T for

alertness, a clear head for fight-or-flight decisions. I do know that

2 in the morning is not the time for rational thought. Good night.

Rich

>

> >Phils right about the stress too. There's two things I've read

about

> >that can really chew through testosterone levels: stress and

illness.

> >You read about some poor guy who's really stretched to the limit

> >worrying about something and you think...uh, well, first

off...settle

> >down, settle down. Theres an answer in there somewhere.

> >And talk about differences between Drs. - One time I happen to

have

> >two appointments on the same day, at different times. The 1st Dr

took

> >my blood pressure and pronounced it good at 110/70. The 2nd Dr.

> >(actually his nurse, on this occasion) read the BP at 160/95 (and,

> >no, the nurse was nothing to look at.) I suspect the 1st Dr was

half

> >deaf. Never take anything at point blank value (and that includes

any

> >of my " diagnoses " , either.)

> >Rich

>

> The question there though is if it " eats " T i.e. leads to fast

> metabolization or if the brain signals it not to be produced. This i

> an important distinction. IT's long been know that biological stress

> results in less hormone production. If you're struggling to live,

find

> enough food etc. the body is not going to waste energy on

reproductive

> activities, particularly when reproduction could result in your

death

> and inability to see genes thrown to the next generation. Hence

> starving women stop having periods. Holocaust camp inmates stopped

> hormone production, etc.

>

> The reason this difference is important is if you are on TRT if its

> being metabolized you have a problem. If it s production that's

slowed

> TRT guys will continue to have adequate levels.

>

> ________________

> I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

> Terence

>

September 27, 2006

so the fact i stress about anytihng from leaving the house to xcleaning teeth

and just abot anything sincle i was a kid also has a negative effect on stress

blimey looks like i cant win

regards paul

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