Re: Testicular Cancer / Low T syptoms

July 26, 2009

Hi and Welcome,

First thing we need to know was this blood test done first thing in the morning

say at about 8am levels are the highest at this time then fall by bed time. If

this test was in the morning they your levels are in the normal range but for a

man 85 to 100 yrs old. Dr.'s have a bad habit of reading labs and saying your OK

you in the normal range. Your not normal you very low some good Dr. that treat

a lot of men will take the High end of your labs range and Div. it by 2.7 to

find the true bottom of the range for healthy men. To many men in the labs

sample all ready have low levels of Testosterone so there range is not true.

Take Quest labs the top of there range is 1100 so if your below 400 you have a

problem.

Having Cancer you need to be sure your free of it if so then you can go on TRT

and be safe. You would need to figure out what kind you can afford shots are

the lowest price if you have a drug care plain that pays for drugs then try

Androgel or Testis you put this on your upper arms and shoulders every morning

after a shower. Doing this is about the same as what your body does you high

in the morning going lower by bed time.

You nee to get your levels up into the top 1/3 of your labs range for a young

man and to keep your Estradiol down to about 20 pg/ml it's this that holds down

the good Testosterone does and it will kill your libido and give you ED with

some sore and hard nipples, feeling hot and sweating a lot and feelings of

panic.

Here are some good lings to help you learn about this they come from the links

and files section here at the home page on the left do go there and read and

learn the more you know the better you can tell your Dr. is doing for you. Most

are not up on this and only know what the drug reps tell them.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

This link is to Dr. Gordens site read it and watch the Videos.

http://www.thehiddendisease.com/

This tells you the hole story.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Testicular Cancer / Low T syptoms

>

> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 9:13 AM

>

> Hi all,

>

> I'm new to this forum. For the last 2 yrs. I believe I've

> been

> experiencing Low T symptoms.

>

> I had testicular cancer in 2002. I am 49 now. For the last

> 2 yrs. I have

> been feeling progressively worst. I had my Serum T checked

> by my doc. It

> was 388. It was not checked pre-surgery.

>

> I have put on around 15 lbs. in the last year. I have

> always been lean.

> I have noticed what looks like cellulite around my waist. I

> have ED and

> very low libido. These are 2 things that were never a

> problem before a

> couple of years ago. I have an appointment with a urologist

> that is

> supposed to know alittle about testicle cancer and mens

> hormones.

>

> If my testosterone is still in the normal range, are there

> other things

> that could be contributing to my symptoms? Any help would

> be greatly

> appreciated. Thanks.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

July 26, 2009

Phil,

Thanks for your reply. I've read the AACE and so much of it in the first few

pages I can relate to. My nipples while not puffy, feel kind of thick but not at

all sensitive. As for the cellulite, is this a problem if a guy has low T?

What do you think my chances are on getting the doctor to recognize I may be

having a problem with my hormones. Last year I went to my former primary doc and

another urologist. I was passed off by the primary doc as being depressed. I

told him my remaining testicle was a lot smaller than it used to be. He said it

seemed like a normal testicle to him. The urologist looked at my total

testosterone # (I forget what it was last year) and said it was fine. He gave me

viagra. I still have all that he gave me. My libido is zero. I'm finding it more

and more difficult to go on like this.

Reading some of your posts, you seem very knowledgeable. Thaks for your help.

-- In , philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> Hi and Welcome,

>

> First thing we need to know was this blood test done first thing in the

morning say at about 8am levels are the highest at this time then fall by bed

time. If this test was in the morning they your levels are in the normal range

but for a man 85 to 100 yrs old. Dr.'s have a bad habit of reading labs and

saying your OK you in the normal range. Your not normal you very low some good

Dr. that treat a lot of men will take the High end of your labs range and Div.

it by 2.7 to find the true bottom of the range for healthy men. To many men in

the labs sample all ready have low levels of Testosterone so there range is not

true. Take Quest labs the top of there range is 1100 so if your below 400 you

have a problem.

>

> Having Cancer you need to be sure your free of it if so then you can go on TRT

and be safe. You would need to figure out what kind you can afford shots are

the lowest price if you have a drug care plain that pays for drugs then try

Androgel or Testis you put this on your upper arms and shoulders every morning

after a shower. Doing this is about the same as what your body does you high

in the morning going lower by bed time.

>

> You nee to get your levels up into the top 1/3 of your labs range for a young

man and to keep your Estradiol down to about 20 pg/ml it's this that holds down

the good Testosterone does and it will kill your libido and give you ED with

some sore and hard nipples, feeling hot and sweating a lot and feelings of

panic.

>

> Here are some good lings to help you learn about this they come from the links

and files section here at the home page on the left do go there and read and

learn the more you know the better you can tell your Dr. is doing for you. Most

are not up on this and only know what the drug reps tell them.

>

> http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

> This link is to Dr. Gordens site read it and watch the Videos.

> http://www.thehiddendisease.com/

> This tells you the hole story.

> http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

> > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> > Subject: Testicular Cancer / Low T syptoms

> >

> > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 9:13 AM

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I'm new to this forum. For the last 2 yrs. I believe I've

> > been

> > experiencing Low T symptoms.

> >

> > I had testicular cancer in 2002. I am 49 now. For the last

> > 2 yrs. I have

> > been feeling progressively worst. I had my Serum T checked

> > by my doc. It

> > was 388. It was not checked pre-surgery.

> >

> > I have put on around 15 lbs. in the last year. I have

> > always been lean.

> > I have noticed what looks like cellulite around my waist. I

> > have ED and

> > very low libido. These are 2 things that were never a

> > problem before a

> > couple of years ago. I have an appointment with a urologist

> > that is

> > supposed to know alittle about testicle cancer and mens

> > hormones.

> >

> > If my testosterone is still in the normal range, are there

> > other things

> > that could be contributing to my symptoms? Any help would

> > be greatly

> > appreciated. Thanks.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

July 26, 2009

WTF is with Dr.'s you tell them your not feeling right they do labs your problem

is hitting them in the face and they tell you your Depressed. I am here helping

men because of this crap I don't want to see any man go through the crap I did.

Endo's and most Uro's are not good Dr.'s for low testosterone run from a Dr.

that tells you your Depressed with labs like yours. If you can't get them to

treat you move on life is to dam Short to hear this BULL SHI*.

You can read my story at this link and the update I am 65 and a dam good server.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

You name it I have been through it the first 5 yrs I was feeling sick I off

work on sick leave Dr.'s did a few tests this is 27 yrs ago so they did not test

my Testosterone levels. After a few sets of labs seeing 3 different Dr.'s they

tell me I am suffering from Major Depression still to day I get pissed off

talking about this I lost 5 yrs of my life dam near lost my wife and job.

I was so dam drugged up on AD meds both of my Daughters got married and I don't

remember much about it.

If you need help finding a good Dr. let use know where you live a lot of Guys

drive or fly out to see Dr. or Dr. nco links to there sites are below

both only need to see you once then they can test and treat you by Email. Dr. M

is in Psychiatry but he feels most of peoples problems are due to low hormones

is this guy is great. I have been talking to both of them on the web for yrs.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/index.htm

At the above site Dr. puts his treatment out there free for your Dr. and

you. Read TRT: A Recipe for Success in this are labs you need and why and how

to treat this.

http://definitivepsychiatry.com/services/services.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> > > Subject: Testicular Cancer / Low T

> syptoms

> > >

> > > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 9:13 AM

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > I'm new to this forum. For the last 2 yrs. I

> believe I've

> > > been

> > > experiencing Low T symptoms.

> > >

> > > I had testicular cancer in 2002. I am 49 now. For

> the last

> > > 2 yrs. I have

> > > been feeling progressively worst. I had my Serum

> T checked

> > > by my doc. It

> > > was 388. It was not checked pre-surgery.

> > >

> > > I have put on around 15 lbs. in the last year. I

> have

> > > always been lean.

> > > I have noticed what looks like cellulite around

> my waist. I

> > > have ED and

> > > very low libido. These are 2 things that were

> never a

> > > problem before a

> > > couple of years ago. I have an appointment with a

> urologist

> > > that is

> > > supposed to know alittle about testicle cancer

> and mens

> > > hormones.

> > >

> > > If my testosterone is still in the normal range,

> are there

> > > other things

> > > that could be contributing to my symptoms? Any

> help would

> > > be greatly

> > > appreciated. Thanks.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

July 26, 2009

Phil,

Your story is a horrendous one. So many years wasted because of inept doctors.

Yesterday I was reading a paper written by Siegel Watkins. It is all

about TRT over the last 50 yrs. Do you know which paper I am refering To? I'm a

bit too young to know about the rise of antidepressents in the 50's & 60's. The

paper makes it all clear concerning the misuse of the drugs.

I'm sorry to hear that you had a setback with your heart problem. How have you

been feeling since you wrote in June? Any better?

I would not be able to afford the services of either one of the doctors you

recommended. I could never afford the cost of the meds unless they were covered

by my insurance.

The urologist I will be seeing is recommended by the wife of a man that had

teticular cancer. He is on HRT. So this doctor knows something about HRT. If I

don't get anywhere with him, I saw an internist of this groups list of docs.

that is somewhat close to where I live. He takes my insurance as well.

Life is one step in front of the other. Sometimes those steps are more

difficult. I saw a little girl, may 4 the other day. She had to walk with a

walker because her legs we deformed. I felt so bad for that little girl and I

thought my troubles are not that bad.

Take care.

- In , philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> WTF is with Dr.'s you tell them your not feeling right they do labs your

problem is hitting them in the face and they tell you your Depressed. I am here

helping men because of this crap I don't want to see any man go through the crap

I did. Endo's and most Uro's are not good Dr.'s for low testosterone run from a

Dr. that tells you your Depressed with labs like yours. If you can't get them

to treat you move on life is to dam Short to hear this BULL SHI*.

>

> You can read my story at this link and the update I am 65 and a dam good

server.

> http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

> You name it I have been through it the first 5 yrs I was feeling sick I off

work on sick leave Dr.'s did a few tests this is 27 yrs ago so they did not test

my Testosterone levels. After a few sets of labs seeing 3 different Dr.'s they

tell me I am suffering from Major Depression still to day I get pissed off

talking about this I lost 5 yrs of my life dam near lost my wife and job.

>

> I was so dam drugged up on AD meds both of my Daughters got married and I

don't remember much about it.

>

> If you need help finding a good Dr. let use know where you live a lot of Guys

drive or fly out to see Dr. or Dr. nco links to there sites are below

both only need to see you once then they can test and treat you by Email. Dr. M

is in Psychiatry but he feels most of peoples problems are due to low hormones

is this guy is great. I have been talking to both of them on the web for yrs.

>

> http://www.allthingsmale.com/index.htm

> At the above site Dr. puts his treatment out there free for your Dr. and

you. Read TRT: A Recipe for Success in this are labs you need and why and how

to treat this.

> http://definitivepsychiatry.com/services/services.html

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

> > >

> > > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@>

> > > > Subject: Testicular Cancer / Low T

> > syptoms

> > > >

> > > > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 9:13 AM

> > > >

> > > > Hi all,

> > > >

> > > > I'm new to this forum. For the last 2 yrs. I

> > believe I've

> > > > been

> > > > experiencing Low T symptoms.

> > > >

> > > > I had testicular cancer in 2002. I am 49 now. For

> > the last

> > > > 2 yrs. I have

> > > > been feeling progressively worst. I had my Serum

> > T checked

> > > > by my doc. It

> > > > was 388. It was not checked pre-surgery.

> > > >

> > > > I have put on around 15 lbs. in the last year. I

> > have

> > > > always been lean.

> > > > I have noticed what looks like cellulite around

> > my waist. I

> > > > have ED and

> > > > very low libido. These are 2 things that were

> > never a

> > > > problem before a

> > > > couple of years ago. I have an appointment with a

> > urologist

> > > > that is

> > > > supposed to know alittle about testicle cancer

> > and mens

> > > > hormones.

> > > >

> > > > If my testosterone is still in the normal range,

> > are there

> > > > other things

> > > > that could be contributing to my symptoms? Any

> > help would

> > > > be greatly

> > > > appreciated. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

July 26, 2009

Siegel Watkins can't say I ever heard of her did you read about this

on the web is so give me a link. I am doing OK this week I am walking 15 min's

at a time with out any pain so things are looking up if this keeps up I will be

in Heart Thearpy soon. Your Dr. sounds good I pray it all works out for you.

Once we find a good Dr. all gets better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > >

> > > > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > Subject: Testicular

> Cancer / Low T

> > > syptoms

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 9:13 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm new to this forum. For the last 2

> yrs. I

> > > believe I've

> > > > > been

> > > > > experiencing Low T symptoms.

> > > > >

> > > > > I had testicular cancer in 2002. I am

> 49 now. For

> > > the last

> > > > > 2 yrs. I have

> > > > > been feeling progressively worst. I had

> my Serum

> > > T checked

> > > > > by my doc. It

> > > > > was 388. It was not checked

> pre-surgery.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have put on around 15 lbs. in the

> last year. I

> > > have

> > > > > always been lean.

> > > > > I have noticed what looks like

> cellulite around

> > > my waist. I

> > > > > have ED and

> > > > > very low libido. These are 2 things

> that were

> > > never a

> > > > > problem before a

> > > > > couple of years ago. I have an

> appointment with a

> > > urologist

> > > > > that is

> > > > > supposed to know alittle about testicle

> cancer

> > > and mens

> > > > > hormones.

> > > > >

> > > > > If my testosterone is still in the

> normal range,

> > > are there

> > > > > other things

> > > > > that could be contributing to my

> symptoms? Any

> > > help would

> > > > > be greatly

> > > > > appreciated. Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

July 26, 2009

The paper I'm refering to can be found at:

www.wfu.edu/~caron/ssrs/Watkins.doc

A good read although somewhat long.

-- In , philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> Siegel Watkins can't say I ever heard of her did you read about this

on the web is so give me a link. I am doing OK this week I am walking 15 min's

at a time with out any pain so things are looking up if this keeps up I will be

in Heart Thearpy soon. Your Dr. sounds good I pray it all works out for you.

Once we find a good Dr. all gets better.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > > Subject: Testicular

> > Cancer / Low T

> > > > syptoms

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 9:13 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm new to this forum. For the last 2

> > yrs. I

> > > > believe I've

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > experiencing Low T symptoms.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had testicular cancer in 2002. I am

> > 49 now. For

> > > > the last

> > > > > > 2 yrs. I have

> > > > > > been feeling progressively worst. I had

> > my Serum

> > > > T checked

> > > > > > by my doc. It

> > > > > > was 388. It was not checked

> > pre-surgery.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have put on around 15 lbs. in the

> > last year. I

> > > > have

> > > > > > always been lean.

> > > > > > I have noticed what looks like

> > cellulite around

> > > > my waist. I

> > > > > > have ED and

> > > > > > very low libido. These are 2 things

> > that were

> > > > never a

> > > > > > problem before a

> > > > > > couple of years ago. I have an

> > appointment with a

> > > > urologist

> > > > > > that is

> > > > > > supposed to know alittle about testicle

> > cancer

> > > > and mens

> > > > > > hormones.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If my testosterone is still in the

> > normal range,

> > > > are there

> > > > > > other things

> > > > > > that could be contributing to my

> > symptoms? Any

> > > > help would

> > > > > > be greatly

> > > > > > appreciated. Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

July 27, 2009

Thanks it looks like a good read.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: virtuosa150

> <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > > > Subject:

> Testicular

> > > Cancer / Low T

> > > > > syptoms

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009,

> 9:13 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm new to this forum. For

> the last 2

> > > yrs. I

> > > > > believe I've

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > experiencing Low T symptoms.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had testicular cancer in

> 2002. I am

> > > 49 now. For

> > > > > the last

> > > > > > > 2 yrs. I have

> > > > > > > been feeling progressively

> worst. I had

> > > my Serum

> > > > > T checked

> > > > > > > by my doc. It

> > > > > > > was 388. It was not checked

> > > pre-surgery.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have put on around 15 lbs.

> in the

> > > last year. I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > always been lean.

> > > > > > > I have noticed what looks

> like

> > > cellulite around

> > > > > my waist. I

> > > > > > > have ED and

> > > > > > > very low libido. These are 2

> things

> > > that were

> > > > > never a

> > > > > > > problem before a

> > > > > > > couple of years ago. I have

> an

> > > appointment with a

> > > > > urologist

> > > > > > > that is

> > > > > > > supposed to know alittle

> about testicle

> > > cancer

> > > > > and mens

> > > > > > > hormones.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If my testosterone is still

> in the

> > > normal range,

> > > > > are there

> > > > > > > other things

> > > > > > > that could be contributing to

> my

> > > symptoms? Any

> > > > > help would

> > > > > > > be greatly

> > > > > > > appreciated. Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

July 27, 2009

On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:53:45 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Your story is a horrendous one. So many years wasted because of inept doctors.

Yesterday I was reading a paper written by Siegel Watkins. It is all

about TRT over the last 50 yrs. Do you know which paper I am refering To?

Is it possible you could post this to the files section?

Thanks.

July 27, 2009

On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:46:51 -0000, you wrote:

>What do you think my chances are on getting the doctor to recognize I may be

having a problem with my hormones. Last year I went to my former primary doc and

another urologist. I was passed off by the primary doc as being depressed. I

told him my remaining testicle was a lot smaller than it used to be. He said it

seemed like a normal testicle to him. The urologist looked at my total

testosterone # (I forget what it was last year) and said it was fine. He gave me

viagra. I still have all that he gave me. My libido is zero. I'm finding it more

and more difficult to go on like this.

Frequently high estradiol adds to low T issues.

Testosterone is converted to E2 via an enzyme - aromotase.

High E2 reduces T production considerably.

But the low E2 is also a killer of libido - in fact far worse. If your

T is too low to get much conversion your E2 can actually be low and

that would compound your libido issues. You definitely need an E2 test

- in my nonmedical opinion.

July 27, 2009

It's done I put it in there.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >Your story is a horrendous one. So many years wasted

> because of inept doctors. Yesterday I was reading a paper

> written by Siegel Watkins. It is all about TRT

> over the last 50 yrs. Do you know which paper I am refering

> To?

>

> Is it possible you could post this to the files section?

>

> Thanks.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

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