Re: Tamoxifen vs. Arimidex

[Guest guest]

Tamoxifen is used a lot for this problem at most body building sites where the

men used Steroids and get gynecomastia or fatty nipples you need to know if what

you have is brest tissue this will not work and Arimidex will not work. The

following is a cut and past about both from this link.

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny_grok/eman_vs_tm\

an%3bjsessionid=D33C296E6300376BB12F3158690F9F8E.hydra

As you read this you will see they are not the same meds.

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Tamoxifen (Nolvadex)

Tamoxifen is also an anti-estrogen. It started out as a means of treatment for

breast cancer. Tamoxifen works in a similar fashion to that of clomiphene in

that it binds competitively to estrogen receptors throughout the body. It

especially binds well to the alpha receptor that can promote breast tissue

growth. It, like clomiphene, can increase LH and Testosterone, but not to the

same extent.

One could guess that by using a higher amount of tamoxifen, you could achieve

the same LH boosting effects as those seen with clomiphene. However, in one

study, no difference was found in terms of LH and Testosterone levels when men

were given either 5 or 10 mg daily or 20 mg daily (4). If, however, these levels

were increased even higher to 40 to 80 mg, the results may have been different.

For now though, I’d say clomiphene is the better of the two in terms of

elevating LH and Testosterone.

What else is good about tamoxifen? It’s been shown to be beneficial to blood

profiles by lowering LDL (5). It also has antioxidant properties as well as

anti-yeast/viral effects. Last but not least, it’s been shown to be very

effective at treating gynecomastia. With dosages of 40 mg per day it was shown

to be effective in 80% of men with gyno. A dosage of 10 to 20 mg was also shown

to be effective. (6,7) Personally, I’d use 20 to 40 mg per day if I wanted to

prevent gyno. For an elevation in LH, however, I’d use around 80 to 100 mg per

day. The half life of tamoxifen is five to seven days.

The cost for Nolvadex is around $1.80 per tablet while the generic brand is

about twenty cents cheaper.

Anastrozole (Arimidex)

This drug is also used to treat breast cancer in post-menopausal women. It’s a

very potent and selective inhibitor of aromatase activity and it’s the most

effective of all the current aromatase inhibitors available on the market.

Anastrozole can reduce estrogen to undetectable levels in men. It doesn’t have

any effect on other enzymes because it’s so selective, thereby leaving

hormones like cortisol, aldosterone, and thyroid at normal levels.

One in vitro study compared the effectiveness of anastrozole to

aminoglutethimide and formestane. Anastrozole was found to be 200 times more

potent than aminoglutethimide and was more than three times more effective than

formestane.(14) The superiority of anastrozole to formestane has also been

demonstrated in vitro as well. Patients were given either 250 mg injections

every two weeks with formestane or took a 1 mg tablet of anastrozole per day.

Estrogen levels were measured after four weeks. Anastrozole reduced serum

estradiol levels by 21% more than formestane. Estrone was reduced by 18% more

with anastrozole. (15)

So what about using this drug for an LH/Testosterone boost? In normal men, it

was shown that 1 mg per day increased LH by 100% and Testosterone levels by

53-58%.(16,17) There’s been talk that this drug may lower estrogen levels too

low and thus cause some adverse effects. One such effect would be an increase in

LDL levels. However, the elevations that were seen were very small and thus

wouldn’t be something to concern yourself with. Just remember that they’ve

found little difference between using 1 mg or 10 mg, so the " more is better "

approach doesn’t apply.

If you wish to use this for estrogen suppression, try .5 to 1 mg per day. For an

elevation of LH/Testosterone, try 1 mg per day. The cost of the drug is around

$6.50 per tab.

To sum things up, I’d like to give you a chart with a rating of each drug in a

few categories. The rating range is from one to five with five being best.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: arh1387 <Hibschmana1@...>

> Subject: Tamoxifen vs. Arimidex

>

> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 8:09 AM

> My Endo put me on Tamoxifen to treat

> gynecomastia/fatty nipples, but so far, about a month and a

> half into taking the Tamoxifen, I've seen no noticeable

> results.

>

> My question is this: has anyone here had positive results

> with Tamoxifen, or does anyone know if Arimidex works

> better? I've heard a lot of people talk about Arimidex, and

> virtually no one about Tamoxifen.

>

> Also, what should I do to convince my doctor to put me on

> Arimidex if that is the better medicine; he said my E2

> levels weren't abnormally high, but I believe they were a

> little over 20. Not too sure though, since he didn't

> actually show me the results.

>

> AND, is it possible to have normal E2 levels and still

> suffer from fatty nipples/gynecomastia? If so, what can I do

> about it?

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

How do I know if it's breast tissue?

>

> > From: arh1387 <Hibschmana1@...>

> > Subject: Tamoxifen vs. Arimidex

> >

> > Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 8:09 AM

> > My Endo put me on Tamoxifen to treat

> > gynecomastia/fatty nipples, but so far, about a month and a

> > half into taking the Tamoxifen, I've seen no noticeable

> > results.

> >

> > My question is this: has anyone here had positive results

> > with Tamoxifen, or does anyone know if Arimidex works

> > better? I've heard a lot of people talk about Arimidex, and

> > virtually no one about Tamoxifen.

> >

> > Also, what should I do to convince my doctor to put me on

> > Arimidex if that is the better medicine; he said my E2

> > levels weren't abnormally high, but I believe they were a

> > little over 20. Not too sure though, since he didn't

> > actually show me the results.

> >

> > AND, is it possible to have normal E2 levels and still

> > suffer from fatty nipples/gynecomastia? If so, what can I do

> > about it?

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Your Dr. is the only one that can tell you this. I use to think I had breast

tissue my Dr. checked them and said no it's fat. If yours if fat then Arimidex

or Taqmoxifen will get rid of it or you lose weight. I also have a lump on one

side Dr. checked it and it's not a tumor.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: arh1387 <Hibschmana1@...>

> Subject: Re: Tamoxifen vs. Arimidex

>

> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 12:51 PM

> How do I know if it's breast tissue?

>

>

> >

> > > From: arh1387 <Hibschmana1@...>

> > > Subject: Tamoxifen vs. Arimidex

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 8:09 AM

> > > My Endo put me on Tamoxifen to treat

> > > gynecomastia/fatty nipples, but so far, about a

> month and a

> > > half into taking the Tamoxifen, I've seen no

> noticeable

> > > results.

> > >

> > > My question is this: has anyone here had positive

> results

> > > with Tamoxifen, or does anyone know if Arimidex

> works

> > > better? I've heard a lot of people talk about

> Arimidex, and

> > > virtually no one about Tamoxifen.

> > >

> > > Also, what should I do to convince my doctor to

> put me on

> > > Arimidex if that is the better medicine; he said

> my E2

> > > levels weren't abnormally high, but I believe

> they were a

> > > little over 20. Not too sure though, since he

> didn't

> > > actually show me the results.

> > >

> > > AND, is it possible to have normal E2 levels and

> still

> > > suffer from fatty nipples/gynecomastia? If so,

> what can I do

> > > about it?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

There seems to be some misunderstanding here. Arimidex would be used to treat

gyno which is caused by high E2. Although breast tissue is unlikely to go away

with arimidex, arimidex can stop the progression of breast tissue growth.

Arimidex also stops the nipple/breast pain associated with gyno. I see no

reason to use arimidex if you just have fat under the nipple, as I see no reason

why it would get rid of fat.

If you have fat in the breast area, then losing weight would be the better way

to take care of it.

> > >

> > >

> > > Tamoxifen is used a lot for this problem at most body

> > building sites where the men used Steroids and get

> > gynecomastia or fatty nipples you need to know if what you

> > have is brest tissue this will not work and Arimidex will

> > not work.  The following is a cut and past about both

> > from this link.

[Guest guest]

I don't see a misunderstanding here most of us use Arimidex to just keep E2 down

not all of us get breasts. Here is a good link about all of the things used to

keep E2 down and hold back breasts.

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny_grok/eman_vs_tm\

an

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: esplinbj <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Tamoxifen vs. Arimidex

>

> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 7:54 PM

> There seems to be some

> misunderstanding here.  Arimidex would be used to treat

> gyno which is caused by high E2.  Although breast

> tissue is unlikely to go away with arimidex, arimidex can

> stop the progression of breast tissue growth.  Arimidex

> also stops the nipple/breast pain associated with

> gyno.  I see no reason to use arimidex if you just have

> fat under the nipple, as I see no reason why it would get

> rid of fat.

>

> If you have fat in the breast area, then losing weight

> would be the better way to take care of it.

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tamoxifen is used a lot for this problem at

> most body

> > > building sites where the men used Steroids and

> get

> > > gynecomastia or fatty nipples you need to know if

> what you

> > > have is brest tissue this will not work and

> Arimidex will

> > > not work.  The following is a cut and past

> about both

> > > from this link.

>

>

>

>

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