RE: Androgel Absorption Questions

[Guest guest]

Once the gel is on you for 4 to 6 hrs it's OK to sweat or go swimming. The dose

your on is a starting dose if your labs are not up into the upper levels have

your Dr. up the dose. Most of the men that work out like you do switch to shots

doing them there self's.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Primemuscle <josborne3@...>

> Subject: Androgel Absorption Questions

>

> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 6:25 PM

> When I was fourteen years old, I

> caught the mumps and lost one testicle. Although a few

> doctors told me that shouldn't cause me to have ED,

> something has. Throughout my adult life, my testosterone

> levels have been in the low normal range for my age. My

> previous Urologist would not prescribe testosterone

> replacement therapy because he felt it would cause my

> prostate to enlarge. That doctor retired, causing me to seek

> a new urologist. The new doctor prescribed testosterone

> replacement therapy.

>

> I've been using Androgel at a dose of 5g for about a month

> now with some positive results. My libido has marginally

> improved. My mood seems better. I've lost a noticeable

> amount of belly fat. However, none of these improvements

> seem very dramatic. Should I expect that the improvements

> will continue given more time or do they plateau at some

> point?

>

> According to the information I've read about Androgel,

> testosterone continues to absorb transdermally for 24 hours.

> I exercise at the gym six days a week using a combination of

> free weights and machines. Yesterday was leg day. I noticed

> I'd worked up quite a good sweat while doing leg presses.

> Would the sweat transferring to my workout clothes from the

> Androgel application site, which is my abdomen, lessen the

> amount of testosterone my body absorbs?

>

> Another concern I have is that I generally apply a lotion

> to my skin after showering in the morning. Now I am doing

> this after I apply the Androgel and I have not been putting

> any lotion on my stomach. Can I put lotion over the Androgel

> after it dries or sometime later?

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:25:56 -0000, you wrote:

>When I was fourteen years old, I caught the mumps and lost one testicle.

Although a few doctors told me that shouldn't cause me to have ED, something

has. Throughout my adult life, my testosterone levels have been in the low

normal range for my age. My previous Urologist would not prescribe testosterone

replacement therapy because he felt it would cause my prostate to enlarge. That

doctor retired, causing me to seek a new urologist. The new doctor prescribed

testosterone replacement therapy.

>

>I've been using Androgel at a dose of 5g for about a month now with some

positive results. My libido has marginally improved. My mood seems better. I've

lost a noticeable amount of belly fat. However, none of these improvements seem

very dramatic. Should I expect that the improvements will continue given more

time or do they plateau at some point?

>

>According to the information I've read about Androgel, testosterone continues

to absorb transdermally for 24 hours. I exercise at the gym six days a week

using a combination of free weights and machines. Yesterday was leg day. I

noticed I'd worked up quite a good sweat while doing leg presses. Would the

sweat transferring to my workout clothes from the Androgel application site,

which is my abdomen, lessen the amount of testosterone my body absorbs?

>

>Another concern I have is that I generally apply a lotion to my skin after

showering in the morning. Now I am doing this after I apply the Androgel and I

have not been putting any lotion on my stomach. Can I put lotion over the

Androgel after it dries or sometime later?

Have you had blood work to tell you what your total T, free T and E2

levels are?

Most of us find we can't reach levels of 600 or above with 5g of

androgel. You really should be in the 600 to 800 range to feel

" right " .

You don't add T to your existing levels. When you start T the body

through feedback hormones reduces the amount you produce naturally. So

we talk about testosterone REPLACEMENT Therapy. SO to get to 600 most

of us use about 7.5 gr.

Also be aware that T converts to E2 (estradiol - a powerful estrogen)

if you get too much conversion this robs you of lots of the punch of

TRT.

You should know too that some of us find that overtime androgel stops

absorbing as well. And our T levels fall. I had to quit Androgel

myself after over a year because my levels feel. I went to 10 gr and

still was below 500. (500 seems to be a magic number for erection

health.)

Personally I would not put lotion over androgel period. But if it's

important to you I would do it 12 to 15 hours after the androgel

application. The bulk of the absorbtion has taken place by then.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the advice Phil,

My testosterone numbers were in the low 300's just before starting Androgel. I

don't know yet where they are now. Although I am presently sixty-five years old,

I seem to remember earlier tests being similar to this one number wise. At the

least they have always been in the low normal range.

I've worked out with weights my entire life. While I am pretty fit, I am not

huge like some dudes who've done this. However, I consider myself pretty

athletic. I read somewhere that athletes have higher testosterone numbers. I

don't want to think about what they would have been had I been a " couch potato. "

I did discuss shots with my doctor at the last visit. He's open to my taking

testosterone this way. I think it is also less expensive with my current

insurance coverage because Androgel is considered a non-preferred drug although

there is no generic for it. One thing that concerns me is that with shots one

would have highs and lows unless they took them pretty often. If the doctor's

office is doing the shots, it would be a nuisance to have them too frequently.

Giving them to myself would be the ideal.

Thanks again for your reply.

Jay

>

> > From: Primemuscle <josborne3@...>

> > Subject: Androgel Absorption Questions

> >

> > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 6:25 PM

> > When I was fourteen years old, I

> > caught the mumps and lost one testicle. Although a few

> > doctors told me that shouldn't cause me to have ED,

> > something has. Throughout my adult life, my testosterone

> > levels have been in the low normal range for my age. My

> > previous Urologist would not prescribe testosterone

> > replacement therapy because he felt it would cause my

> > prostate to enlarge. That doctor retired, causing me to seek

> > a new urologist. The new doctor prescribed testosterone

> > replacement therapy.

> >

> > I've been using Androgel at a dose of 5g for about a month

> > now with some positive results. My libido has marginally

> > improved. My mood seems better. I've lost a noticeable

> > amount of belly fat. However, none of these improvements

> > seem very dramatic. Should I expect that the improvements

> > will continue given more time or do they plateau at some

> > point?

> >

> > According to the information I've read about Androgel,

> > testosterone continues to absorb transdermally for 24 hours.

> > I exercise at the gym six days a week using a combination of

> > free weights and machines. Yesterday was leg day. I noticed

> > I'd worked up quite a good sweat while doing leg presses.

> > Would the sweat transferring to my workout clothes from the

> > Androgel application site, which is my abdomen, lessen the

> > amount of testosterone my body absorbs?

> >

> > Another concern I have is that I generally apply a lotion

> > to my skin after showering in the morning. Now I am doing

> > this after I apply the Androgel and I have not been putting

> > any lotion on my stomach. Can I put lotion over the Androgel

> > after it dries or sometime later?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I just checked the info from the T lab work that the doctor ordered prior to

prescribing Androgel. It just list the total T count as 348. I've since had

another T test, which was both free and total. I need to call him for the

results.

I've suffered from ED and not much libido for most of my adult life.

Fortunately, I have a very understanding wife. While I don't remember for sure

what the T numbers have been in previous years, I do remember doctors telling me

they were on the low side. If 500 is the magic number for good erections, then

I'm probably not there yet. Although, I have had the occasional morning

semi-erection since starting Androgel, I take it from that, that I am doing

something right.

I've decided to try applying the gel at night rather than in the morning. This

will allow more absorption time before I go to the gym. The lotion I use is a

basically coco butter cream. I like it because it keep my skin soft and fairly

wrinkle free. Since my stomach isn't prone to wrinkles, I could just skip that

area when spreading on the coco butter.

Thanks for the reply,

Jay

>

> >When I was fourteen years old, I caught the mumps and lost one testicle.

Although a few doctors told me that shouldn't cause me to have ED, something

has. Throughout my adult life, my testosterone levels have been in the low

normal range for my age. My previous Urologist would not prescribe testosterone

replacement therapy because he felt it would cause my prostate to enlarge. That

doctor retired, causing me to seek a new urologist. The new doctor prescribed

testosterone replacement therapy.

> >

> >I've been using Androgel at a dose of 5g for about a month now with some

positive results. My libido has marginally improved. My mood seems better. I've

lost a noticeable amount of belly fat. However, none of these improvements seem

very dramatic. Should I expect that the improvements will continue given more

time or do they plateau at some point?

> >

> >According to the information I've read about Androgel, testosterone continues

to absorb transdermally for 24 hours. I exercise at the gym six days a week

using a combination of free weights and machines. Yesterday was leg day. I

noticed I'd worked up quite a good sweat while doing leg presses. Would the

sweat transferring to my workout clothes from the Androgel application site,

which is my abdomen, lessen the amount of testosterone my body absorbs?

> >

> >Another concern I have is that I generally apply a lotion to my skin after

showering in the morning. Now I am doing this after I apply the Androgel and I

have not been putting any lotion on my stomach. Can I put lotion over the

Androgel after it dries or sometime later?

>

>

> Have you had blood work to tell you what your total T, free T and E2

> levels are?

>

> Most of us find we can't reach levels of 600 or above with 5g of

> androgel. You really should be in the 600 to 800 range to feel

> " right " .

>

> You don't add T to your existing levels. When you start T the body

> through feedback hormones reduces the amount you produce naturally. So

> we talk about testosterone REPLACEMENT Therapy. SO to get to 600 most

> of us use about 7.5 gr.

>

> Also be aware that T converts to E2 (estradiol - a powerful estrogen)

> if you get too much conversion this robs you of lots of the punch of

> TRT.

>

> You should know too that some of us find that overtime androgel stops

> absorbing as well. And our T levels fall. I had to quit Androgel

> myself after over a year because my levels feel. I went to 10 gr and

> still was below 500. (500 seems to be a magic number for erection

> health.)

>

> Personally I would not put lotion over androgel period. But if it's

> important to you I would do it 12 to 15 hours after the androgel

> application. The bulk of the absorbtion has taken place by then.

>

[Guest guest]

 I was told the same, absorption would be complete from 4 - 6 hours after

putting on the andgel. So I time my wourkouts 4 - 6 hours , sometime in the

afternoon, after I have put on the gel. 

As for continuing changes, my musculature continues to improve. the hiar growth

on my abdomen, arms and back also continues. In fact, my wife now has to trim

near the shirt line where some is beginning to stick out. And of course I enjoy

getting wood again and with the increased libido: the desire for sex is almost

always and getting it up is more of a certainity.

I should mention that I am 65 going on 66 and yes, I know about the sterility

problem, but I am already sterile because of a vasectomy about 30 years ago.

Old Guy

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:02:53 PM

Subject: Re: Androgel Absorption Questions

 

Once the gel is on you for 4 to 6 hrs it's OK to sweat or go swimming. The dose

your on is a starting dose if your labs are not up into the upper levels have

your Dr. up the dose. Most of the men that work out like you do switch to shots

doing them there self's.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Primemuscle <josborne3comcast (DOT) net>

> Subject: Androgel Absorption Questions

>

> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 6:25 PM

> When I was fourteen years old, I

> caught the mumps and lost one testicle. Although a few

> doctors told me that shouldn't cause me to have ED,

> something has. Throughout my adult life, my testosterone

> levels have been in the low normal range for my age. My

> previous Urologist would not prescribe testosterone

> replacement therapy because he felt it would cause my

> prostate to enlarge. That doctor retired, causing me to seek

> a new urologist. The new doctor prescribed testosterone

> replacement therapy.

>

> I've been using Androgel at a dose of 5g for about a month

> now with some positive results. My libido has marginally

> improved. My mood seems better. I've lost a noticeable

> amount of belly fat. However, none of these improvements

> seem very dramatic. Should I expect that the improvements

> will continue given more time or do they plateau at some

> point?

>

> According to the information I've read about Androgel,

> testosterone continues to absorb transdermally for 24 hours.

> I exercise at the gym six days a week using a combination of

> free weights and machines. Yesterday was leg day. I noticed

> I'd worked up quite a good sweat while doing leg presses.

> Would the sweat transferring to my workout clothes from the

> Androgel application site, which is my abdomen, lessen the

> amount of testosterone my body absorbs?

>

> Another concern I have is that I generally apply a lotion

> to my skin after showering in the morning. Now I am doing

> this after I apply the Androgel and I have not been putting

> any lotion on my stomach. Can I put lotion over the Androgel

> after it dries or sometime later?

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

When applying androgel I would not apply lotion on it for several hours. If you

apply gel in the morning put the lotion on later at night time to avoid

potential interactions. You can also as your Dr for compounded t gel which is

less of a hassle and drys much faster then androgel. UNiversity compounding

pharmacy is good. I would look into to it. If your testosterone was low did the

dr ever rule out primary vs secondary because you may not need to be on TRT in

the first place. Has your thyroid been properly evaluated because alot of our

younger guys when they get thyroid and adenals working their testoseterone

returns to normal with out TRT may be some clomid and some good nutrition. We

have even started guys back that are mid 30's so anything is possible if your dr

looks at the primary cause to why it is low

>

> When I was fourteen years old, I caught the mumps and lost one testicle.

Although a few doctors told me that shouldn't cause me to have ED, something

has. Throughout my adult life, my testosterone levels have been in the low

normal range for my age. My previous Urologist would not prescribe testosterone

replacement therapy because he felt it would cause my prostate to enlarge. That

doctor retired, causing me to seek a new urologist. The new doctor prescribed

testosterone replacement therapy.

>

> I've been using Androgel at a dose of 5g for about a month now with some

positive results. My libido has marginally improved. My mood seems better. I've

lost a noticeable amount of belly fat. However, none of these improvements seem

very dramatic. Should I expect that the improvements will continue given more

time or do they plateau at some point?

>

> According to the information I've read about Androgel, testosterone continues

to absorb transdermally for 24 hours. I exercise at the gym six days a week

using a combination of free weights and machines. Yesterday was leg day. I

noticed I'd worked up quite a good sweat while doing leg presses. Would the

sweat transferring to my workout clothes from the Androgel application site,

which is my abdomen, lessen the amount of testosterone my body absorbs?

>

> Another concern I have is that I generally apply a lotion to my skin after

showering in the morning. Now I am doing this after I apply the Androgel and I

have not been putting any lotion on my stomach. Can I put lotion over the

Androgel after it dries or sometime later?

>