Re: HCG does not produce or even mimic FSH

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There are guys using HMG I am not sure if they are here I think they are posting

at MESO the Men's Health Forum. I just went there and did a search and got 85

hits.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/

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Phil

> From: sbryant511 <sbryant511@...>

> Subject: HCG does not produce or even mimic FSH

>

> Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 12:06 AM

> >

> > In order to be fertile, you need to elevate your FSH.

> One

> > of the best methods we have for doing that is HCG.

> Clomid

> > will help but HCG really gets the job done. I

> can't think of

> > any OTC preparations that elevate FSH but I'll

> look into it.

> >

>

> HCG does not raise FSH, and HCG does not drive sperm

> production. The only value that

> HCG has in male fertility treatment is that it drives the

> lydig cells to produce testosterone

> just as LH would do. Once the testicles are making their

> own T, there is sufficient T in the

> testicles for a sperm friendly production and storage

> environment. Thus by using HCG, if

> you have no FSH production or too little FSH production,

> you will still be infertile

>

> The feedback loop for FSH is controled by inhibin B, and

> this like the feedback loop for LH

> is a negative feedback loop. You can look at the

> reproductive endocrinology files for this

> group for a visual and verbal description of how this

> works.

>

> The way to produce more FSH the male body is to increase

> the levels of Human GnRH in

> the male body. The following article is meant for female

> fertitily treatment, but sperm

> production and egg production are both FSH driven.

>

> Clomid is often a first line treatment to induce regular

> ovulation. Clomid works at the level

> of the hypothalamus where it competes for estrogen binding

> sites. When these " sites are

> occupied " by Clomid, the hypothalamus responds by

> producing more GnRH which then

> stimulates the pituitary to produce FSH. Remember, in a

> normal cycle healthy follicles

> produce estrogen, which signals the hypothalamus to reduce

> production of FSH.

> Clomiphene is marketed in the United States by Aventis

> Laboratories as Clomid and by

> Serono Laboratories as Serophene.

>

> http://www.clomid.havingbabies.com/

>

> Frequently doctors will use HMG to acheive fertility in

> females. It will also help infertile

> males to produce sperm providing that their testicles are

> not completely non functional as

> in a severe case of primary hypogonadism

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sertoli Cell Biology By K. Skinner, D. Griswold

Page 185

" Conventionally, gonadotropin treatment in infertile hypogonadotropic men is

based on a

treatment starting with hCG, a naturally long-acting analog of LH. FSH is

usually added to

the treatment regimen if sperm production does not appear withing 6 months of

hCG

treatment. "

http://tinyurl.com/hcg-sertoli-cells

HCG DOES drive spermatogenesis.

It is amazing what you can learn when you pick up

actual medical books and read them.

Clomid is a SERM. It helps to block the negative feedback

of the HPTA in this way.

The Human Body Systems - The Endocrine System

Pages 40, 41, 44, 87

The hypothalamus sends out GnRH via the

hypophyseal pathway to the anterior pituitary gland which

monitors the serum levels of estradiol and DHT. Based on

the serum levels detected, the anterior pituitary vary the pulses

of LH & FSH that the gonadotrophs produce.

In my opinion, it is best to combine hCG with Clomid and

an aromatase inhibiting compound to prevent negative

feedback of the HPTA.

Good luck and good health!

-Mike :-)

>

> >

> > In order to be fertile, you need to elevate your FSH. One

> > of the best methods we have for doing that is HCG. Clomid

> > will help but HCG really gets the job done. I can't think of

> > any OTC preparations that elevate FSH but I'll look into it.

> >

>

> HCG does not raise FSH, and HCG does not drive sperm production. The only

value that

> HCG has in male fertility treatment is that it drives the lydig cells to

produce

testosterone

> just as LH would do. Once the testicles are making their own T, there is

sufficient T in

the

> testicles for a sperm friendly production and storage environment. Thus by

using HCG,

if

> you have no FSH production or too little FSH production, you will still be

infertile

>

> The feedback loop for FSH is controled by inhibin B, and this like the

feedback loop for

LH

> is a negative feedback loop. You can look at the reproductive endocrinology

files for

this

> group for a visual and verbal description of how this works.

>

> The way to produce more FSH the male body is to increase the levels of Human

GnRH

in

> the male body. The following article is meant for female fertitily treatment,

but sperm

> production and egg production are both FSH driven.

>

> Clomid is often a first line treatment to induce regular ovulation. Clomid

works at the

level

> of the hypothalamus where it competes for estrogen binding sites. When these

" sites are

> occupied " by Clomid, the hypothalamus responds by producing more GnRH which

then

> stimulates the pituitary to produce FSH. Remember, in a normal cycle healthy

follicles

> produce estrogen, which signals the hypothalamus to reduce production of FSH.

> Clomiphene is marketed in the United States by Aventis Laboratories as Clomid

and by

> Serono Laboratories as Serophene.

>

> http://www.clomid.havingbabies.com/

>

> Frequently doctors will use HMG to acheive fertility in females. It will also

help infertile

> males to produce sperm providing that their testicles are not completely non

functional

as

> in a severe case of primary hypogonadism

>