Re: What are the treatments

[Guest guest]

First any Dr. that tests LH and FSH after starting TRT is not up on this. As

soon as you did the gel your brain slowed down the messages from your pituitary

to your testis of LH and FSH because it seen the Testosterone in your blood and

it only takes a little.

If you have a bad infection, fatty liver, high Iron levels, high Estradiol, bad

Thyroid, Adrenal Fatigue, you over do it in the gym, eat a low fat diet and the

list is long your body will slow down making testosterone and when you fix this

your levels come back up. So this is " What else is there " .

If you don't know your Secondary meaning you have a bad Pituitary Dr.'s will now

look to treat low normal hormone levels like Cortisol and Thyroid so as long as

your on TRT you will not feel your best.

No don't stop Testim and don't see an Endo they are not good Dr.'s for this. In

the last 25 yrs I seen 7 and each one would not look at the labs I had done and

they all wanted me to stop TRT for a base line lab test. This tells them

nothing stopping TRT for 2 weeks even 3 months will not bring you back to where

you were before starting on TRT. Your body will not just jump back to making

testosterone. So all they find out is how sick they make you. If you stop the

testim you will crash feel worse then you did before starting it.

Find a good DO Dr.

http://www.geocities.com/chrisgjsbcglobal (DOT) net/Osteopaths.html

Go to the files section at the home page here and read " Finding a New Male

Hormone Dr. "

You need to switch to shots do 200mgs of Depo T on your first shot then do

100mgs every week there after. Do the shots your self I shoot into my thigh

using a small 27g 1ml. x 1/2 " lg. needle.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: sajoines <sajoines@...>

> Subject: What are the treatments

>

> Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 1:56 PM

> I am new to all this and seem to be running in to the same

> problems as

> most. I had my level tested and my primary care doc started

> me on

> Androgel. I was testing at around 200. After a month or so,

> my levels

> dropped to 160 so he bumped up the Androgel. My levels

> dropped again

> to 136.

>

> Off to the urologist. He said it must be an absorbtion

> problem, switch

> to Testim. He also did have my FSH (<.3), LH (.3), &

> Prolactin (4.9)

> levels checked.

>

> My primary saw those results and said there must be a

> serious

> underlying problem so I will now be going to an endo.

>

> After looking at some of the info here, I realize there

> have been many

> errors made from the Dr's as far as how they are

> treating this and

> doing the testing, so what I would like to know is:

>

> 1) Regardless of the root cause, it appears the treatment

> is the same.

> Testosterone replacement therapy. What else is there?

>

> 2) Should I stop the Testim before seeing the endo as to

> not skew results

>

> Thanks for any info you can provide.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just curious, where are you applying the androgel or testim? Most docs will not

tell you

this, but one of the best areas for absorbtion is the inner wrist. Typically

the skin is

rather thin there and there are some farily major blood vesels near by.

I agree with Phil. The test your urologist did on your FSH and LH was a

complete waste of

time and money. The fact that you started taking androgel prior to this test

renders the

results completely useless as your HPTA starts to shut down once you start

exogenous T.

Also, if the tests for LH and FSH were not done before 9 am(most docs want it as

close to

the time that you normally wake up to start your day as possible), they are not

going to be

accurate.

Also the goal of a TRT program is not just to get you in range. You can be " in

range " and

still have some major and debilitating symptoms of low T. You need to find the

range that

works for you and your body. The real purpose of any treatment is to allieviate

symtoms

and bring about a higher quality of life and not to be in range with what is

considered to

be the normal range and above the cut off level for the formal diagnosis of

hypogonadism.

Just curious, do you have any sleep apnea issues?

>

> I am new to all this and seem to be running in to the same problems as

> most. I had my level tested and my primary care doc started me on

> Androgel. I was testing at around 200. After a month or so, my levels

> dropped to 160 so he bumped up the Androgel. My levels dropped again

> to 136.

>

> Off to the urologist. He said it must be an absorbtion problem, switch

> to Testim. He also did have my FSH (<.3), LH (.3), & Prolactin (4.9)

> levels checked.

>

> My primary saw those results and said there must be a serious

> underlying problem so I will now be going to an endo.

>

> After looking at some of the info here, I realize there have been many

> errors made from the Dr's as far as how they are treating this and

> doing the testing, so what I would like to know is:

>

> 1) Regardless of the root cause, it appears the treatment is the same.

> Testosterone replacement therapy. What else is there?

>

> 2) Should I stop the Testim before seeing the endo as to not skew results

>

> Thanks for any info you can provide.

>

[Guest guest]

" 1) Regardless of the root cause, it appears the treatment is the

same.

Testosterone replacement therapy. What else is there? "

Depending on the reasons for your low testosterone, an alternative

course of treatment could be Arimidex. This is not a viable

alternative if you are not capable of producing testosterone.

The possible population of those who might be able to use this

treatment is men who actually do produce testosterone but whose

production is being converted into a form of estrogen. Arimidex

interferes with that conversion. Men who are overweight may be more

susceptible to this conversion problem.

I used to be on Androgel. I was completely removed from external

testosterone replacement therapy and placed on Arimidex about 2 years

ago. Since then, I have consistently had T levels at or above the

testing lab's upper limits of normal.

Remember, getting off TRT and replacing that solely with Arimidex is

a treatment that can work only if your gonads are capable of

producing testosterone. Otherwise this is not a viable alternative.

I believe that some folks use Arimidex as an adjunct to TRT. Not

having experience with that, I cannot provide any guidance.

Bob