Re: New confusing lab values

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Hi Jo,

No Saliva tests are not anygood for Sex Hormones you need to redo your

Estradiol in blood labs every time I see a man's Saliva test for this it's 10x's

to high witch is not possable. I use Saliva to test Cortisol level 4x's in a

day to see if levels are off for Adrenal Fatigue.

I Don't do supplements for low testosterone and don't see anyone do good on

them. If your feeling like this with your levels you need Testosterone and I

know of men on in your country.

Your low LH shows me you have a problem with your Pituitary most get an MRI on

it to see if they have a tumor.

I don't feel you have high E2 but check it in a blood test.

fggrrrerr <no_reply > wrote:

Hi folks,

my age is 40 and

my symptoms are lack of energy, lack of confidence and erectile

dysfunction. And i have problems keeping my weight and body fat down.

Half a year ago i ran a blood and saliva test and got these results:

Blood test:

LH 1,8 mIU ml Range: 0,8 - 7,6

Total Testost: 451 ng dl Range: 200 - 810

Saliva test from September 07:

Free Testost: 50,84 pg ml Range: 46,8 - 106,8

Estradiol: 3,36 pg ml Range: 1,01 - 4,15

I then started taking some resveratrol, nettle root, horny goat weed

and avena sativa for a couple of months.

One month ago i got the results from a second blood test:

LH 7.76 mIU ml Range: 0.8 - 7,6

Total Testost: 427 ng dl Range: 200 - 810

So, my LH was well stimulated by the supplements, but my total T

dropped a bit.

Today I got the results from a saliva test taken the same time as the

blood test one month ago.

Saliva test from March 08:

Free Testost: 34,40 pg ml Range: 46,8 - 106,8

Estradiol: 10,40 pg ml Range: 1,01 - 4,15

I am really concerned about my Estradiol and free T result.

Could this be a possible explanation: The nettle root rose my free T

and the aromatase enyzmes conversed much of it into estradiol, leading

to lowered Free T numbers because of feedback loop. The Resveratrol,

acting as a SERM, blocked the estrogen receptors, so that the

estradiol could not do too much harm. Indeed I`m not feeling the

dramatic rise in estradiol, that occured in the last months, in any

form. Actually I`m not feeling good, but then again not worser than

half a year ago what one should suspect which such a high e2.

I stopped all supplement intake so far. Do You think I should restart

with resveratrol? Or should I try some DIM to get the E2 down? And

some zinc but how much?

I can`t get any script medication here in Germany, so no arimidex or

liquid equivalent. I just can order supplements.

Thanks in advance

Jo

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[Guest guest]

What is the LH lab test.

I am going to endo on 4/29 and want to ask for correct test.

i am only on androgel. some guys are on HGC but how do you know if

you need that as well. Thanks

> Hi folks,

>

> my age is 40 and

> my symptoms are lack of energy, lack of confidence and erectile

> dysfunction. And i have problems keeping my weight and body fat

down.

>

> Half a year ago i ran a blood and saliva test and got these

results:

>

> Blood test:

>

> LH 1,8 mIU ml Range: 0,8 - 7,6

>

> Total Testost: 451 ng dl Range: 200 - 810

>

> Saliva test from September 07:

>

> Free Testost: 50,84 pg ml Range: 46,8 - 106,8

>

> Estradiol: 3,36 pg ml Range: 1,01 - 4,15

>

> I then started taking some resveratrol, nettle root, horny goat

weed

> and avena sativa for a couple of months.

>

> One month ago i got the results from a second blood test:

>

> LH 7.76 mIU ml Range: 0.8 - 7,6

>

> Total Testost: 427 ng dl Range: 200 - 810

>

> So, my LH was well stimulated by the supplements, but my total T

> dropped a bit.

>

> Today I got the results from a saliva test taken the same time as

the

> blood test one month ago.

>

> Saliva test from March 08:

>

> Free Testost: 34,40 pg ml Range: 46,8 - 106,8

>

> Estradiol: 10,40 pg ml Range: 1,01 - 4,15

>

> I am really concerned about my Estradiol and free T result.

>

> Could this be a possible explanation: The nettle root rose my free

T

> and the aromatase enyzmes conversed much of it into estradiol,

leading

> to lowered Free T numbers because of feedback loop. The

Resveratrol,

> acting as a SERM, blocked the estrogen receptors, so that the

> estradiol could not do too much harm. Indeed I`m not feeling the

> dramatic rise in estradiol, that occured in the last months, in any

> form. Actually I`m not feeling good, but then again not worser than

> half a year ago what one should suspect which such a high e2.

>

> I stopped all supplement intake so far. Do You think I should

restart

> with resveratrol? Or should I try some DIM to get the E2 down? And

> some zinc but how much?

> I can`t get any script medication here in Germany, so no arimidex

or

> liquid equivalent. I just can order supplements.

> Thanks in advance

> Jo

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of

what you see. "

> Phil

>

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[Guest guest]

The pituitary secrete luteinizing hormone (LH), which then prompts the Leydig

cells in the testes to produce testosterone. Taking HCG acts like LH making your

testis make Testosterone. If your tests show your very low on this LH and low

on T with good estradiol levels this can mean your pituitary is not working and

one should have an MRI on it to see if there are tumors. Men on TRT the brain

sees the add T and stops sending the LH message to the Testis. Dr. says

this about it.

====================================================

You have not lost all Leydig cells on TRT, so any HCG you take will stimulate

those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

joe <jadonahuejr@...> wrote:

What is the LH lab test.

I am going to endo on 4/29 and want to ask for correct test.

i am only on androgel. some guys are on HGC but how do you know if

you need that as well. Thanks

> Hi folks,

>

> my age is 40 and

> my symptoms are lack of energy, lack of confidence and erectile

> dysfunction. And i have problems keeping my weight and body fat

down.

>

> Half a year ago i ran a blood and saliva test and got these

results:

>

> Blood test:

>

> LH 1,8 mIU ml Range: 0,8 - 7,6

>

> Total Testost: 451 ng dl Range: 200 - 810

>

> Saliva test from September 07:

>

> Free Testost: 50,84 pg ml Range: 46,8 - 106,8

>

> Estradiol: 3,36 pg ml Range: 1,01 - 4,15

>

> I then started taking some resveratrol, nettle root, horny goat

weed

> and avena sativa for a couple of months.

>

> One month ago i got the results from a second blood test:

>

> LH 7.76 mIU ml Range: 0.8 - 7,6

>

> Total Testost: 427 ng dl Range: 200 - 810

>

> So, my LH was well stimulated by the supplements, but my total T

> dropped a bit.

>

> Today I got the results from a saliva test taken the same time as

the

> blood test one month ago.

>

> Saliva test from March 08:

>

> Free Testost: 34,40 pg ml Range: 46,8 - 106,8

>

> Estradiol: 10,40 pg ml Range: 1,01 - 4,15

>

> I am really concerned about my Estradiol and free T result.

>

> Could this be a possible explanation: The nettle root rose my free

T

> and the aromatase enyzmes conversed much of it into estradiol,

leading

> to lowered Free T numbers because of feedback loop. The

Resveratrol,

> acting as a SERM, blocked the estrogen receptors, so that the

> estradiol could not do too much harm. Indeed I`m not feeling the

> dramatic rise in estradiol, that occured in the last months, in any

> form. Actually I`m not feeling good, but then again not worser than

> half a year ago what one should suspect which such a high e2.

>

> I stopped all supplement intake so far. Do You think I should

restart

> with resveratrol? Or should I try some DIM to get the E2 down? And

> some zinc but how much?

> I can`t get any script medication here in Germany, so no arimidex

or

> liquid equivalent. I just can order supplements.

> Thanks in advance

> Jo

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of

what you see. "

> Phil

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Your balls shrinking is a good sign that you need HCG, but it would be

a shame to have to wait for that to happen before starting the stuff.

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On Apr 23, 2008, at 12:25 PM, " joe " <jadonahuejr@...> wrote:

> What is the LH lab test.

>

> I am going to endo on 4/29 and want to ask for correct test.

>

> i am only on androgel. some guys are on HGC but how do you know if

> you need that as well. Thanks

>

>> Hi folks,

>>

>> my age is 40 and

>> my symptoms are lack of energy, lack of confidence and erectile

>> dysfunction. And i have problems keeping my weight and body fat

> down.

>>

>> Half a year ago i ran a blood and saliva test and got these

> results:

>>

>> Blood test:

>>

>> LH 1,8 mIU ml Range: 0,8 - 7,6

>>

>> Total Testost: 451 ng dl Range: 200 - 810

>>

>> Saliva test from September 07:

>>

>> Free Testost: 50,84 pg ml Range: 46,8 - 106,8

>>

>> Estradiol: 3,36 pg ml Range: 1,01 - 4,15

>>

>> I then started taking some resveratrol, nettle root, horny goat

> weed

>> and avena sativa for a couple of months.

>>

>> One month ago i got the results from a second blood test:

>>

>> LH 7.76 mIU ml Range: 0.8 - 7,6

>>

>> Total Testost: 427 ng dl Range: 200 - 810

>>

>> So, my LH was well stimulated by the supplements, but my total T

>> dropped a bit.

>>

>> Today I got the results from a saliva test taken the same time as

> the

>> blood test one month ago.

>>

>> Saliva test from March 08:

>>

>> Free Testost: 34,40 pg ml Range: 46,8 - 106,8

>>

>> Estradiol: 10,40 pg ml Range: 1,01 - 4,15

>>

>> I am really concerned about my Estradiol and free T result.

>>

>> Could this be a possible explanation: The nettle root rose my free

> T

>> and the aromatase enyzmes conversed much of it into estradiol,

> leading

>> to lowered Free T numbers because of feedback loop. The

> Resveratrol,

>> acting as a SERM, blocked the estrogen receptors, so that the

>> estradiol could not do too much harm. Indeed I`m not feeling the

>> dramatic rise in estradiol, that occured in the last months, in any

>> form. Actually I`m not feeling good, but then again not worser than

>> half a year ago what one should suspect which such a high e2.

>>

>> I stopped all supplement intake so far. Do You think I should

> restart

>> with resveratrol? Or should I try some DIM to get the E2 down? And

>> some zinc but how much?

>> I can`t get any script medication here in Germany, so no arimidex

> or

>> liquid equivalent. I just can order supplements.

>> Thanks in advance

>> Jo

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of

> what you see. "

>> Phil

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

> Mobile. Try it now.

>>

>>