Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 It's hard to say if your shut down because of other problems like your Diet or going on Steroids and you take Clomid or HCG and your Testosterone levels go up this means your testis work and there is something wrong with your Pituitary. Doing an ACTH Stim. test if your Cortisol levels were low before the shot for the test and your levels double or even go higher this means your Pituitary is not sending enough ACTH to your adrenals to make enough Cortisol this means your Secondary and your Pituitary has a tumor or is not working. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Matt <mattobrien71@...> > Subject: GnRH stimulation test > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > I know that this would send a message > to the hypothalamus to start production of LH and FSH but > could this rule out a pituitary problem if it actually > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 When trying a restart one needs to identify if it is going to work through clomid stimulation test. If this information identified then the practioner needs to back fill other hormone to make sure that all nutrients. O ther factos need to be in check so when the clomid is stopped the body will hold. > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@...> > > Subject: GnRH stimulation test > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > > I know that this would send a message > > to the hypothalamus to start production of LH and FSH but > > could this rule out a pituitary problem if it actually > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 So acth would be better to test pituitary function? Also is the male testosterone level handed down from father to son always, or is it a mix of the mother and father? My dad went in for a physical a year ago and asked for testosterone to be drawn. His showed a level of 789 ng/dl Why would mine be so damn low if he's normal? ________________________________ From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:54:32 AM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test When trying a restart one needs to identify if it is going to work through clomid stimulation test. If this information identified then the practioner needs to back fill other hormone to make sure that all nutrients. O ther factos need to be in check so when the clomid is stopped the body will hold. > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ ...> > > Subject: GnRH stimulation test > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > > I know that this would send a message > > to the hypothalamus to start production of LH and FSH but > > could this rule out a pituitary problem if it actually > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Genetics can play a huge factors in hormones. If one hormones are low natural then self abuse themselves one is asking for problems down the road. Some times alteration in genetics will skip a generation of 2. So what ever your father may have you may not. Simple fact is when a person who abuses there body during critical time of development will most likely have issue down the road. > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ ...> > > > Subject: GnRH stimulation test > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > I know that this would send a message > > > to the hypothalamus to start production of LH and FSH but > > > could this rule out a pituitary problem if it actually > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I don't feel one hands down low testosterone to there kids in your case like Hard and my self have been saying it was your poor Diet that might have done this and you need more testing to prove this. Most young men with your problem recover with the right treatment. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71@...> > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 9:33 AM > So acth would be better to test > pituitary function? > Also is the male testosterone level handed down from father > to son always, or is it a mix of the mother and father? > My dad went in for a physical a year ago and asked for > testosterone to be drawn. His showed a level of 789 ng/dl > Why would mine be so damn low if he's normal? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:54:32 AM > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > > > When trying a restart one needs to identify if it is going > to work through clomid stimulation test. If this information > identified then the practioner needs to back fill other > hormone to make sure that all nutrients. O ther factos need > to be in check so when the clomid is stopped the body will > hold. > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ ...> > > > Subject: GnRH stimulation test > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > I know that this would send a message > > > to the hypothalamus to start production of LH and > FSH but > > > could this rule out a pituitary problem if it > actually > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 but it's not like you directly inherit your fathers levels is it/ ________________________________ From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 8:43:14 AM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test Genetics can play a huge factors in hormones. If one hormones are low natural then self abuse themselves one is asking for problems down the road. Some times alteration in genetics will skip a generation of 2. So what ever your father may have you may not. Simple fact is when a person who abuses there body during critical time of development will most likely have issue down the road. > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ ...> > > > Subject: GnRH stimulation test > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > I know that this would send a message > > > to the hypothalamus to start production of LH and FSH but > > > could this rule out a pituitary problem if it actually > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 what testing do you recommend? ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 9:56:09 AM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test I don't feel one hands down low testosterone to there kids in your case like Hard and my self have been saying it was your poor Diet that might have done this and you need more testing to prove this. Most young men with your problem recover with the right treatment. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71> > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 9:33 AM > So acth would be better to test > pituitary function? > Also is the male testosterone level handed down from father > to son always, or is it a mix of the mother and father? > My dad went in for a physical a year ago and asked for > testosterone to be drawn. His showed a level of 789 ng/dl > Why would mine be so damn low if he's normal? > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973> > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:54:32 AM > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > > > When trying a restart one needs to identify if it is going > to work through clomid stimulation test. If this information > identified then the practioner needs to back fill other > hormone to make sure that all nutrients. O ther factos need > to be in check so when the clomid is stopped the body will > hold. > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ ...> > > > Subject: GnRH stimulation test > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > I know that this would send a message > > > to the hypothalamus to start production of LH and > FSH but > > > could this rule out a pituitary problem if it > actually > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I would do a full panel of Thyroid labs and your Cortisol levels but doing a 4x's in a day Saliva test if this is low then do an ACTH Stim. test. TSH But this lab is only for diagnosis of hypopituitary, NOT to diagnose or dose your hypo by. * Free T4 and Free T3 (note the word “freeâ€) *Total T4 and T3. * Thyroid Antibodies (anti-TPO and TgAb. YOU NEED BOTH.) * Ferritin (and do stress FERRITIN, not just RBC) * Adrenals Cortisol levels doing a 4x's in a day saliva test. * B-12,Folic Acde and DHEA * Reverse T3 Do this test at home take your temp like this link says. If you basal temps are below 97.8 you may well have a low thyroid. http://drbate.com/Ref/thyroid.html If your Cotisol rithum is off then do an ACTH Stim. test to see if it's your Pituitary doing this. Your Adrenals might be fine but not being told to make cortisol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACTH_stimulation_test If you need to treat your thyroid read this site. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ But if your Cortisol levels are low first get them treated once your supported on HC then go on Thyroid. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71> > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 9:33 AM > > So acth would be better to test > > pituitary function? > > Also is the male testosterone level handed down from > father > > to son always, or is it a mix of the mother and > father? > > My dad went in for a physical a year ago and asked > for > > testosterone to be drawn. His showed a level of 789 > ng/dl > > Why would mine be so damn low if he's normal? > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@ > > > > > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:54:32 AM > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > > >  > > > > When trying a restart one needs to identify if it is > going > > to work through clomid stimulation test. If this > information > > identified then the practioner needs to back fill > other > > hormone to make sure that all nutrients. O ther factos > need > > to be in check so when the clomid is stopped the body > will > > hold. > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ ...> > > > > Subject: GnRH stimulation > test > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > I know that this would send a message > > > > to the hypothalamus to start production of > LH and > > FSH but > > > > could this rule out a pituitary problem if > it > > actually > > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Sound good for adrenal fatigue if there is any?   DSF Formula (60) Supportive Function: The perfect supplement to be chosen in stressful times! Glandulars, vitamins, minerals, antioxidants and phytochemicals synergistically work together to support the various energy-producing systems of the body. Ingredients: Each Tablet Supplies: Adrenal 25mg, Thymus 70mg, Spleen 20mg, Stomach 10mg, Parotid 80mg, (all bovine source).. Vitamin C 175mg, Vitamin B-2 15mg, Vitamin B-6 10mg, Niacinamide 15mg, Pantothenic Acid (D-Calcium Pantothenate) 105mg, Grape Seed Extract 1mg, Lemon Bioflavonoids 225mg, L-Tyrosine 175mg, Magnesium (as oxide) 45mg, Zinc (as chelate) 5mg, Chromium (as chelate) 50mcg, Potassium (as chelate) 2mg, Chlorella 50mg. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 2:02:54 PM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test  I would do a full panel of Thyroid labs and your Cortisol levels but doing a 4x's in a day Saliva test if this is low then do an ACTH Stim. test. TSH But this lab is only for diagnosis of hypopituitary, NOT to diagnose or dose your hypo by. * Free T4 and Free T3 (note the word “freeâ€) *Total T4 and T3. * Thyroid Antibodies (anti-TPO and TgAb. YOU NEED BOTH.) * Ferritin (and do stress FERRITIN, not just RBC) * Adrenals Cortisol levels doing a 4x's in a day saliva test. * B-12,Folic Acde and DHEA * Reverse T3 Do this test at home take your temp like this link says. If you basal temps are below 97.8 you may well have a low thyroid. http://drbate. com/Ref/thyroid. html If your Cotisol rithum is off then do an ACTH Stim. test to see if it's your Pituitary doing this. Your Adrenals might be fine but not being told to make cortisol. http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ ACTH_stimulation _test If you need to treat your thyroid read this site. http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/ But if your Cortisol levels are low first get them treated once your supported on HC then go on Thyroid. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71> > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 9:33 AM > > So acth would be better to test > > pituitary function? > > Also is the male testosterone level handed down from > father > > to son always, or is it a mix of the mother and > father? > > My dad went in for a physical a year ago and asked > for > > testosterone to be drawn. His showed a level of 789 > ng/dl > > Why would mine be so damn low if he's normal? > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@ > > > > > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:54:32 AM > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > > >  > > > > When trying a restart one needs to identify if it is > going > > to work through clomid stimulation test. If this > information > > identified then the practioner needs to back fill > other > > hormone to make sure that all nutrients. O ther factos > need > > to be in check so when the clomid is stopped the body > will > > hold. > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ ...> > > > > Subject: GnRH stimulation > test > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > I know that this would send a message > > > > to the hypothalamus to start production of > LH and > > FSH but > > > > could this rule out a pituitary problem if > it > > actually > > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 YOu really need to be under a competent practioners because adrenal exacts with some people with adrenal issues could be counter productive making you 10 times worse then you already are. Once all the neurological and phyisological imbalanced are properly assessed then one can commence on proper protocol with appropriate modality. > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ ...> > > > > > Subject: GnRH stimulation > > test > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > > I know that this would send a message > > > > > to the hypothalamus to start production of > > LH and > > > FSH but > > > > > could this rule out a pituitary problem if > > it > > > actually > > > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Is body fat gained during this hormone deficent period permaent or can you lose it back with proper hormones? How do fat cells work? ________________________________ From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 6:13:23 PM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test  YOu really need to be under a competent practioners because adrenal exacts with some people with adrenal issues could be counter productive making you 10 times worse then you already are. Once all the neurological and phyisological imbalanced are properly assessed then one can commence on proper protocol with appropriate modality. > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ ...> > > > > > Subject: GnRH stimulation > > test > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > > I know that this would send a message > > > > > to the hypothalamus to start production of > > LH and > > > FSH but > > > > > could this rule out a pituitary problem if > > it > > > actually > > > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 We all have a different number of fat cells surrounding the body. At around the age of 16 years the number of fat cells are established and our lifestyle and genes both play a part in the outcome. Once numbers are determined rarely are they reduced, what actually happens when we burn fat is the amount of fat stored within each fat cell decreases and the fat cell simply shrinks in volume. ________________________________ From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71@...> Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 10:06:24 PM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test Is body fat gained during this hormone deficent period permaent or can you lose it back with proper hormones? How do fat cells work? ________________________________ From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 6:13:23 PM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test  YOu really need to be under a competent practioners because adrenal exacts with some people with adrenal issues could be counter productive making you 10 times worse then you already are. Once all the neurological and phyisological imbalanced are properly assessed then one can commence on proper protocol with appropriate modality. > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ ...> > > > > > Subject: GnRH stimulation > > test > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > > I know that this would send a message > > > > > to the hypothalamus to start production of > > LH and > > > FSH but > > > > > could this rule out a pituitary problem if > > it > > > actually > > > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 They don't work for most people because by the time they figure out they have bad Adrenals it's to late for a supplement like this. And a lot of them wasted there money and time taking them. Don't try this until you done with all your labs or they will mess them up. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71@ > > > > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation > test > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 9:33 AM > > > So acth would be better to test > > > pituitary function? > > > Also is the male testosterone level handed down > from > > father > > > to son always, or is it a mix of the mother and > > father? > > > My dad went in for a physical a year ago > and asked > > for > > > testosterone to be drawn. His showed a level of > 789 > > ng/dl > > > Why would mine be so damn low if he's normal? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@ > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:54:32 AM > > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation > test > > > > > >  > > > > > > When trying a restart one needs to identify if it > is > > going > > > to work through clomid stimulation test. If this > > information > > > identified then the practioner needs to back > fill > > other > > > hormone to make sure that all nutrients. O ther > factos > > need > > > to be in check so when the clomid is stopped the > body > > will > > > hold. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ ...> > > > > > Subject: GnRH > stimulation > > test > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 12:34 > AM > > > > > I know that this would send a message > > > > > to the hypothalamus to start production > of > > LH and > > > FSH but > > > > > could this rule out a pituitary problem > if > > it > > > actually > > > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Once your leveled off you can lose fat and gain muscle. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71@...> > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:06 PM > Is body fat gained during this > hormone deficent period permaent or can you lose it back > with proper hormones? > How do fat cells work? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 6:13:23 PM > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > Â > YOu really need to be under a competent practioners because > adrenal exacts with some people with adrenal issues could be > counter productive making you 10 times worse then you > already are. Once all the neurological and phyisological > imbalanced are properly assessed then one can commence on > proper protocol with appropriate modality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ > ...> > > > > > > Subject: GnRH > stimulation > > > test > > > > > > @ groups. > com > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, > 12:34 AM > > > > > > I know that this would send a > message > > > > > > to the hypothalamus to start > production of > > > LH and > > > > FSH but > > > > > > could this rule out a pituitary > problem if > > > it > > > > actually > > > > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 honestly phil, how much hope do you think there is for me? I try to do everything right, everything that goes into my body is beneficial. I don't go out drinking with my friends, never took up smoking. For the most part this should have never happened. I just can't beleive there is nothing that can be done. I don't understand why I'm so cold and fatigued all the time if it's not a problem of the thyroid (so the dr.s say) It almost feels like there as to be too much RT3. I need to see an adrenal, reproductive, thyroid and pituitary endo. I have found one and luckily he is at mayo, what do you think? F. Abboud, MD, BcH Mayo Clinic 200 1st St SW Rochester, MN 55905-0001 Phone: (507) 284-2784 Interest Areas:     Adrenal Disorders     General Endocrinology and Metabolism     Pituitary Disorders     Reproductive Endocrinology     Thyroid Dysfunction     PCOS ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 9:28:43 AM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test  Once your leveled off you can lose fat and gain muscle. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71> > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:06 PM > Is body fat gained during this > hormone deficent period permaent or can you lose it back > with proper hormones? > How do fat cells work? > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973> > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 6:13:23 PM > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > >  > YOu really need to be under a competent practioners because > adrenal exacts with some people with adrenal issues could be > counter productive making you 10 times worse then you > already are. Once all the neurological and phyisological > imbalanced are properly assessed then one can commence on > proper protocol with appropriate modality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ > ...> > > > > > > Subject: GnRH > stimulation > > > test > > > > > > @ groups. > com > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, > 12:34 AM > > > > > > I know that this would send a > message > > > > > > to the hypothalamus to start > production of > > > LH and > > > > FSH but > > > > > > could this rule out a pituitary > problem if > > > it > > > > actually > > > > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:25:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >but it's not like you directly inherit your fathers levels is it/ Not from smoking. But there are lots of other variables that can be inherited that impact hormone levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 such as? ________________________________ From: " retrogrouch@... " <retrogrouch@...> Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 11:10:17 AM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:25:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >but it's not like you directly inherit your fathers levels is it/ Not from smoking. But there are lots of other variables that can be inherited that impact hormone levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:30:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > >such as? Genes affecting receptor site development, feedback loops and the like. Matt, I think you may be over thinking this and worrying about causes too much. Most of us will never know the cause. What matters ifs the future and what we do to manage it. > > >________________________________ >From: " retrogrouch@... " <retrogrouch@...> > >Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 11:10:17 AM >Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > >On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:25:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >>but it's not like you directly inherit your fathers levels is it/ > >Not from smoking. But there are lots of other variables that can be >inherited that impact hormone levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I know this and Hardasnails will say the same thing if you don't have a pituitary Tumor that started about the time you did this diet and you don't have one your body in time will come back don't do any Testosterone meds you can do HCG or Clomid but if you go on Testosterone you can become stuck on it for life. I have seen young men that did just about the same thing you did and it messed up there Adrenals but with Treatment they will heal and come back. As for labs and ranges Dr.s that say you in the normal range your fine and don't listen to you when you tell them how you feel are not good Dr.'s. On the 3x's in a day Saliva test you posted it showed me your Adrenals are over worked and need treatment. As for you feeling cold this in most is Thyroid do this home test in this link if your morning Temp taken under your arm is less the 97.8 then your more then likely to have a low thyroid. Now treating this say 6 months you can come off the meds and see if it works good on it's own I have seen this happen. Doing what is in this link is how Dr.'s figured out if someones Thyroid was low. http://drbate.com/Ref/thyroid.html Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71> > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:06 PM > > Is body fat gained during this > > hormone deficent period permaent or can you lose it > back > > with proper hormones? > > How do fat cells work? > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@ > > > > > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 6:13:23 PM > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > > > Â > > YOu really need to be under a competent practioners > because > > adrenal exacts with some people with adrenal issues > could be > > counter productive making you 10 times worse then you > > already are. Once all the neurological and > phyisological > > imbalanced are properly assessed then one can commence > on > > proper protocol with appropriate modality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ > > ...> > > > > > > > Subject: GnRH > > stimulation > > > > test > > > > > > > @ > groups. > > com > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, > 2009, > > 12:34 AM > > > > > > > I know that this would send > a > > message > > > > > > > to the hypothalamus to start > > production of > > > > LH and > > > > > FSH but > > > > > > > could this rule out a > pituitary > > problem if > > > > it > > > > > actually > > > > > > > raises LH and FSH > significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > --------- > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Basically there's no tumor, something's irregular and I need to find out what. As far as nutrition: any special supplements you recommend? Right now multi vitamin, fish oil, digestive enzyme is it. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 2:15:46 PM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test  I know this and Hardasnails will say the same thing if you don't have a pituitary Tumor that started about the time you did this diet and you don't have one your body in time will come back don't do any Testosterone meds you can do HCG or Clomid but if you go on Testosterone you can become stuck on it for life. I have seen young men that did just about the same thing you did and it messed up there Adrenals but with Treatment they will heal and come back. As for labs and ranges Dr.s that say you in the normal range your fine and don't listen to you when you tell them how you feel are not good Dr.'s. On the 3x's in a day Saliva test you posted it showed me your Adrenals are over worked and need treatment. As for you feeling cold this in most is Thyroid do this home test in this link if your morning Temp taken under your arm is less the 97.8 then your more then likely to have a low thyroid. Now treating this say 6 months you can come off the meds and see if it works good on it's own I have seen this happen. Doing what is in this link is how Dr.'s figured out if someones Thyroid was low. http://drbate. com/Ref/thyroid. html Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71> > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:06 PM > > Is body fat gained during this > > hormone deficent period permaent or can you lose it > back > > with proper hormones? > > How do fat cells work? > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@ > > > > > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 6:13:23 PM > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test > > > >  > > YOu really need to be under a competent practioners > because > > adrenal exacts with some people with adrenal issues > could be > > counter productive making you 10 times worse then you > > already are. Once all the neurological and > phyisological > > imbalanced are properly assessed then one can commence > on > > proper protocol with appropriate modality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ > > ...> > > > > > > > Subject: GnRH > > stimulation > > > > test > > > > > > > @ > groups. > > com > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, > 2009, > > 12:34 AM > > > > > > > I know that this would send > a > > message > > > > > > > to the hypothalamus to start > > production of > > > > LH and > > > > > FSH but > > > > > > > could this rule out a > pituitary > > problem if > > > > it > > > > > actually > > > > > > > raises LH and FSH > significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > --------- > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 No that is enough just eat a normal diet even a little junk food your just a kid enjoy your youth. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71@ > > > > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation > test > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:06 PM > > > Is body fat gained during this > > > hormone deficent period permaent or can you lose > it > > back > > > with proper hormones? > > > How do fat cells work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@ > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 6:13:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation > test > > > > > > Â > > > YOu really need to be under a competent > practioners > > because > > > adrenal exacts with some people with adrenal > issues > > could be > > > counter productive making you 10 times worse then > you > > > already are. Once all the neurological and > > phyisological > > > imbalanced are properly assessed then one can > commence > > on > > > proper protocol with appropriate modality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matt > <mattobrien71@ > > > ...> > > > > > > > > Subject: > GnRH > > > stimulation > > > > > test > > > > > > > > @ > > groups. > > > com > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October > 18, > > 2009, > > > 12:34 AM > > > > > > > > I know that this would > send > > a > > > message > > > > > > > > to the hypothalamus to > start > > > production of > > > > > LH and > > > > > > FSH but > > > > > > > > could this rule out a > > pituitary > > > problem if > > > > > it > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > raises LH and FSH > > significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > --------- > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 ha my youth is gone, has been for a while. One more question on the cause, I had normal CBC and Differential including neutropils relative lymphs relative Eos, Basophils and all of that. Do you think I could rule out lyme? I seriously doubt it is lyme. ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 3:37:27 PM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test  No that is enough just eat a normal diet even a little junk food your just a kid enjoy your youth. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71@ > > > > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation > test > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:06 PM > > > Is body fat gained during this > > > hormone deficent period permaent or can you lose > it > > back > > > with proper hormones? > > > How do fat cells work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@ > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 6:13:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation > test > > > > > >  > > > YOu really need to be under a competent > practioners > > because > > > adrenal exacts with some people with adrenal > issues > > could be > > > counter productive making you 10 times worse then > you > > > already are. Once all the neurological and > > phyisological > > > imbalanced are properly assessed then one can > commence > > on > > > proper protocol with appropriate modality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matt > <mattobrien71@ > > > ...> > > > > > > > > Subject: > GnRH > > > stimulation > > > > > test > > > > > > > > @ > > groups. > > > com > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October > 18, > > 2009, > > > 12:34 AM > > > > > > > > I know that this would > send > > a > > > message > > > > > > > > to the hypothalamus to > start > > > production of > > > > > LH and > > > > > > FSH but > > > > > > > > could this rule out a > > pituitary > > > problem if > > > > > it > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > raises LH and FSH > > significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > > --------- > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Mayo clinic will not look at rt3 because they probably have no clue. IF you have PPO insurance they we can start looking at your nutrient intake and imbalances through using the one test to help pinpoint where they may be. Doing everything right may not be doing it balanced because your body has been out of wack for so long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ > > ...> > > > > > > > Subject: GnRH > > stimulation > > > > test > > > > > > > @ groups. > > com > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, > > 12:34 AM > > > > > > > I know that this would send a > > message > > > > > > > to the hypothalamus to start > > production of > > > > LH and > > > > > FSH but > > > > > > > could this rule out a pituitary > > problem if > > > > it > > > > > actually > > > > > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 It is hard to say and I don't feel your youth is gone your just getting started just because your in a set back is not the end of the world. Just remember there are a lot more people in the world much worse off then us. I tell myself this all the time and it helps me to keep going. There are symptoms for different problems when one is sick and this is where a good Dr. comes in. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71@ > > > > > > > Subject: Re: GnRH > stimulation > > test > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:06 PM > > > > Is body fat gained during this > > > > hormone deficent period permaent or can you > lose > > it > > > back > > > > with proper hormones? > > > > How do fat cells work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 6:13:23 PM > > > > Subject: Re: GnRH > stimulation > > test > > > > > > > > Â > > > > YOu really need to be under a competent > > practioners > > > because > > > > adrenal exacts with some people with > adrenal > > issues > > > could be > > > > counter productive making you 10 times worse > then > > you > > > > already are. Once all the neurological and > > > phyisological > > > > imbalanced are properly assessed then one > can > > commence > > > on > > > > proper protocol with appropriate modality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matt > > <mattobrien71@ > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > GnRH > > > > stimulation > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > @ > > > groups. > > > > com > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, > October > > 18, > > > 2009, > > > > 12:34 AM > > > > > > > > > I know that this > would > > send > > > a > > > > message > > > > > > > > > to the hypothalamus > to > > start > > > > production of > > > > > > LH and > > > > > > > FSH but > > > > > > > > > could this rule out > a > > > pituitary > > > > problem if > > > > > > it > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > raises LH and FSH > > > significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > --------- > > > --------- > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â > > mailto:hypogonadism 2- > > > > fullfeatured@ > > > > > > > groups.. . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > message > > have > > > been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- > --------- > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I have ppo but no way of getting to you. Can the test be taken from aroudn iowa? ________________________________ From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 8:02:38 AM Subject: Re: GnRH stimulation test  Mayo clinic will not look at rt3 because they probably have no clue. IF you have PPO insurance they we can start looking at your nutrient intake and imbalances through using the one test to help pinpoint where they may be. Doing everything right may not be doing it balanced because your body has been out of wack for so long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@ > > ...> > > > > > > > Subject: GnRH > > stimulation > > > > test > > > > > > > @ groups. > > com > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, > > 12:34 AM > > > > > > > I know that this would send a > > message > > > > > > > to the hypothalamus to start > > production of > > > > LH and > > > > > FSH but > > > > > > > could this rule out a pituitary > > problem if > > > > it > > > > > actually > > > > > > > raises LH and FSH significantly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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