Re: Dr. Problems and general help please

May 22, 2006

Hi Allan and Welcome,

Your story is typical of what myself and most of us have been through.

5 grams is not enough gel you need it upped to 10 grams and if you don't feel

better on this then you need to switch to shots. You felt good because the gel

upped your T levels on top of what your testis were making. But once your brain

sees the T in your blood stream it stops sending the messages to your Testis to

make T. So they shut down and this is why you feel like you do. The best

thing you can do is go to this site www.allthingsmale.com and print TRT: A

Recipe for success and the HCG Update. Give this to your Dr. and tell him you

need to have these tests done and to try this treatment.

The good thing you have going for you is your Dr. did a new test. By what you

said here you test is going to come back low about the same as it was before the

gel.

Also you need to be tested for Estradiol " E2 " I can bet your high and this

will hold you back from feeling better.

Try to work with this Dr. and tell him you talk to men at this site that have

the same problems you have.

Good luck I know you will get there.

Phil

Allan <alclerc@...> wrote: Hello all, been on board awhile 1st post. I

relate to a lot of

your stories, was told I had depression given drugs, didnt work told

leg pain was in my head, tired because i didnt sleep enough, sleep to

much ect ect.

Finally went to uroligist per gp who thought I had uti. Asked him

to check my test as I had seen some symptoms of it on the web, He

almost told me I was nuts and said no but finally relented. I was 180

TT and he called and done some more tests and told me I had primary.

Put me on 5 grams androgel, Felt good, REAL good better than I

have in 15 years, for about 3 weeks then body quit and ive slowly went

down to where I was three months ago. Seen doc yesterday told him my

symptoms and that my body had shut down I thought and he about

freaked, wanted to know how i knew that ect. I felt like a drug addict

trying to get drugs or something. Now I know at 6'0' 280 pounds of

glorious blubber, back surgery, Pins in rt arm, bad knees and

hemerroids he could mistake me for a bodybuilder but geez get real.

finally agreed to another test for my level ( only 1st on since I

started androgel ). I am very limited as to Drs. in this area so any

advice on how to talk to him or should I just find another doc. By the

way i'm 43. Thanks in advance Allan

May 23, 2006

>

> Hello all, been on board awhile 1st post. I relate to a lot of

> your stories, was told I had depression given drugs, didnt work told

> leg pain was in my head, tired because i didnt sleep enough, sleep to

> much ect ect.

> Finally went to uroligist per gp who thought I had uti. Asked him

> to check my test as I had seen some symptoms of it on the web, He

> almost told me I was nuts and said no but finally relented. I was 180

> TT and he called and done some more tests and told me I had primary.

> Put me on 5 grams androgel, Felt good, REAL good better than I

> have in 15 years, for about 3 weeks then body quit and ive slowly went

> down to where I was three months ago. Seen doc yesterday told him my

> symptoms and that my body had shut down I thought and he about

> freaked, wanted to know how i knew that ect. I felt like a drug addict

> trying to get drugs or something. Now I know at 6'0' 280 pounds of

> glorious blubber, back surgery, Pins in rt arm, bad knees and

> hemerroids he could mistake me for a bodybuilder but geez get real.

> finally agreed to another test for my level ( only 1st on since I

> started androgel ). I am very limited as to Drs. in this area so any

> advice on how to talk to him or should I just find another doc. By the

> way i'm 43. Thanks in advance Allan

>

I would see what he says when your latest lab work comes back. Plan

on getting copies of your file from the office when you go. They're

allowed to charge reasonable fees to make the copies for you. You can

seek second opinions regardless of whether you choose to continue

under this guy's care or not.

Brad

May 23, 2006

Hey Allan and welcome

This is what the doctors are trained to do. They prescribe androgel because it

is very conservative and you can't get too high a dose at 5 grams per day. In

fact, most men can not function on this level. We feel our best when our T is

climbing which is what happened to you the first 3 weeks. Then your body tried

to regulate it self so it shut down production of T (your 180 ng/dl) Now you are

running only on the Androgel. Some of us had problems with non-absorbption with

the gels. It just can't get you high enough. The doctors get hammered when they

prescribe steroids so they are reluctant to prescribe shots.

The document that Phil pointed out is the best there is and up to date in my

opinion. Take this with you and give it to your doctor. Educate yourself on the

use of testosterone and affects it has on the body. If he feels you are on top

of this and responsible, he will be more likely to work with you.

We are all different and react differently to the medications so you will have

to find what works best for you. Androgel is expensive but easy to apply. You

need to go to 10 grams if you choose that route. The alternative would be self

injections of ~ 100 mgs every 7 days. You need to do the shots this frequently

to minimize conversion of the T to Estradiol and minimizing the roller coaster

affect. Don't expect that this will fix itself quickly, it took me a year to get

correct and stabilized.

Good Luck - Arkansas

Allan <alclerc@...> wrote:

Hello all, been on board awhile 1st post. I relate to a lot of