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I tried very hard to hid how I felt from my family and work I pushed myself to

the point I could not get out of bed. The thought of going through one more day

was making me have panic attacks. Then when I could not make it to work I had

to see a Dr. or lose my job. I was a Auto Engineer for one of the Big 3 and in

the UAW. Then Dr. I seen told me I was very low on Iron. I was off work 4

months and my Iron levels were not coming up. I was sent to see a blood Dr. I

think he was from India he did not tell me to stop my Iron pills before he did

blood work. So my tests all looked OK so he sent me to see a Dr. for CFS this

Dr. tested me and told me she come not find anything wrong. Yet I am to sick to

work so she told me I am suffering from Major Depression now I am off to see a

Head Dr.

What a joke 5 dam yrs. of every kind of AD med on the market and telling me I

have every kind of metal illness there was in the books. He went from one to

the other.

Then Prozac come out and I was put on this it slowed down my voiding and I got

bad bladder infection. I was sent to see a Uro this guy told me he thinks I am

not depressed but have low testosterone. He tested me and he was right. I had

to go into a re-hab hosp. to get off all the meds the Head Dr. had me on.

Then I went on TRT and in 30 days I was back to work. But still was not right

I was off work on sick leave more then I was at work. My job harassed the crap

out of me sending me to one of the there Dr.'s after the other. Trying to prove

I was not sick. This was a big pain and the Union could not do anything about

it.

One day I was off sick and when I go better and went back to work they locked

me out with no sick pay and the Union again told me to hold tight they were

working on it. So here I am sick and no job. I went to apply for unemployment

and was turned down because my work told them I am to sick to work. So not

unemployment this got me mad now I am pissed and I went to the EEOC and filed a

complaint they had a hearing and my work did not show up. So they sued them

when my work saw they were in deep Shit they sent a Union rep to see me about

settling out of court.

I don't mind saying it cost them an arm and a leg and the guy that locked me

out of work lost his job. So now I am retired with a big settlement.

Still the Dr.'s never had it right I was told I am Primary and I am Secondary.

Once we figured this out and started treating my low Cortisol, Thyroid,

Aldosterone, DHEA and Iron now I am fine and wish I was back at work. So the

bottom line here is to find out why your low in the first place before doing TRT

or you may never feel 100% again or ever know what is wrong.

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

Here's a subject that I don't think has been given much air time. How

did all of you fellas manage your symptoms under stress at work? There's going

to be fellas out there that haven't dialed in their therapy yet. In fact, there

are probably those out there that haven't got a clue yet. Granted, some are

symptomatic and some are not but I'm willing to bet a buffalo nickel that most

of us here were bad symptomatic at one time. We carry this baggage to work and

cannot hide it in the bin above the seat like on an airplane. It is in plain

view for all to see.

For me, there were instances of anxieties and depression at work that got kind

of ugly. Sometimes I would get the shakes but finally settled down. I had bad

sweats. Vomiting. I used to have what I'd call a buzzer or this bizarre

sensation originating in the center of my head. I could have sworn it was

originating from my pituitary but that could have been psycho-schematically

developed too. I would hear voices and get slightly paranoid.

One time my wife and I went on a long road trip from Dallas to Boston. I was

fine on the way up there, had a good time while I was there but as soon as I

crossed the state line from Oklahoma back into Texas, the buzzer started to come

back again. I was thinking I was done with it at the time but lo and behold it

came back again and I had no idea what was going on.

How did you guys hold out?

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I am so thankful for this forum and people like Phil, Retro, and several others

over the years. I too was first diagnosed as being anemic due to a low

hematocrit (and iron). I couldn't complete my runs without getting winded and I

was always tired. Had problems getting erections and/or keeping them. There were

things at work that were more physical that I started having problems doing at

44 that men at 55 we still able to do so I knew something was wrong. Also

started having problems with my prostate (enlargement issues). Talked to my Uro

about it and he tested me for testosterone. Came out low. Started doing research

and found this group which is so much more informed than probably 90% of the

medical community. Got me on track and life is good.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

I tried very hard to hid how I felt from my family and work I pushed

myself to the point I could not get out of bed. The thought of going through one

more day was making me have panic attacks. Then when I could not make it to work

I had to see a Dr. or lose my job. I was a Auto Engineer for one of the Big 3

and in the UAW. Then Dr. I seen told me I was very low on Iron. I was off work 4

months and my Iron levels were not coming up. I was sent to see a blood Dr. I

think he was from India he did not tell me to stop my Iron pills before he did

blood work. So my tests all looked OK so he sent me to see a Dr. for CFS this

Dr. tested me and told me she come not find anything wrong. Yet I am to sick to

work so she told me I am suffering from Major Depression now I am off to see a

Head Dr.

What a joke 5 dam yrs. of every kind of AD med on the market and telling me I

have every kind of metal illness there was in the books. He went from one to the

other.

Then Prozac come out and I was put on this it slowed down my voiding and I got

bad bladder infection. I was sent to see a Uro this guy told me he thinks I am

not depressed but have low testosterone. He tested me and he was right. I had to

go into a re-hab hosp. to get off all the meds the Head Dr. had me on.

Then I went on TRT and in 30 days I was back to work. But still was not right I

was off work on sick leave more then I was at work. My job harassed the crap out

of me sending me to one of the there Dr.'s after the other. Trying to prove I

was not sick. This was a big pain and the Union could not do anything about it.

One day I was off sick and when I go better and went back to work they locked me

out with no sick pay and the Union again told me to hold tight they were working

on it. So here I am sick and no job. I went to apply for unemployment and was

turned down because my work told them I am to sick to work. So not unemployment

this got me mad now I am pissed and I went to the EEOC and filed a complaint

they had a hearing and my work did not show up. So they sued them when my work

saw they were in deep Shit they sent a Union rep to see me about settling out of

court.

I don't mind saying it cost them an arm and a leg and the guy that locked me out

of work lost his job. So now I am retired with a big settlement.

Still the Dr.'s never had it right I was told I am Primary and I am Secondary.

Once we figured this out and started treating my low Cortisol, Thyroid,

Aldosterone, DHEA and Iron now I am fine and wish I was back at work. So the

bottom line here is to find out why your low in the first place before doing TRT

or you may never feel 100% again or ever know what is wrong.

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

Here's a subject that I don't think has been given much air time. How did all of

you fellas manage your symptoms under stress at work? There's going to be fellas

out there that haven't dialed in their therapy yet. In fact, there are probably

those out there that haven't got a clue yet. Granted, some are symptomatic and

some are not but I'm willing to bet a buffalo nickel that most of us here were

bad symptomatic at one time. We carry this baggage to work and cannot hide it in

the bin above the seat like on an airplane. It is in plain view for all to see.

For me, there were instances of anxieties and depression at work that got kind

of ugly. Sometimes I would get the shakes but finally settled down. I had bad

sweats. Vomiting. I used to have what I'd call a buzzer or this bizarre

sensation originating in the center of my head. I could have sworn it was

originating from my pituitary but that could have been psycho-schematically

developed too. I would hear voices and get slightly paranoid.

One time my wife and I went on a long road trip from Dallas to Boston. I was

fine on the way up there, had a good time while I was there but as soon as I

crossed the state line from Oklahoma back into Texas, the buzzer started to come

back again. I was thinking I was done with it at the time but lo and behold it

came back again and I had no idea what was going on.

How did you guys hold out?

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Yes this group saved my life and I mean it I would like to thank all them guys

that helped me I was a big mess when I came here.

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: I am so thankful for this

forum and people like Phil, Retro, and several others over the years. I too was

first diagnosed as being anemic due to a low hematocrit (and iron). I couldn't

complete my runs without getting winded and I was always tired. Had problems

getting erections and/or keeping them. There were things at work that were more

physical that I started having problems doing at 44 that men at 55 we still able

to do so I knew something was wrong. Also started having problems with my

prostate (enlargement issues). Talked to my Uro about it and he tested me for

testosterone. Came out low. Started doing research and found this group which is

so much more informed than probably 90% of the medical community. Got me on

track and life is good.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

I tried very hard to hid how I felt from my family and work I pushed myself to

the point I could not get out of bed. The thought of going through one more day

was making me have panic attacks. Then when I could not make it to work I had to

see a Dr. or lose my job. I was a Auto Engineer for one of the Big 3 and in the

UAW. Then Dr. I seen told me I was very low on Iron. I was off work 4 months and

my Iron levels were not coming up. I was sent to see a blood Dr. I think he was

from India he did not tell me to stop my Iron pills before he did blood work. So

my tests all looked OK so he sent me to see a Dr. for CFS this Dr. tested me and

told me she come not find anything wrong. Yet I am to sick to work so she told

me I am suffering from Major Depression now I am off to see a Head Dr.

What a joke 5 dam yrs. of every kind of AD med on the market and telling me I

have every kind of metal illness there was in the books. He went from one to the

other.

Then Prozac come out and I was put on this it slowed down my voiding and I got

bad bladder infection. I was sent to see a Uro this guy told me he thinks I am

not depressed but have low testosterone. He tested me and he was right. I had to

go into a re-hab hosp. to get off all the meds the Head Dr. had me on.

Then I went on TRT and in 30 days I was back to work. But still was not right I

was off work on sick leave more then I was at work. My job harassed the crap out

of me sending me to one of the there Dr.'s after the other. Trying to prove I

was not sick. This was a big pain and the Union could not do anything about it.

One day I was off sick and when I go better and went back to work they locked me

out with no sick pay and the Union again told me to hold tight they were working

on it. So here I am sick and no job. I went to apply for unemployment and was

turned down because my work told them I am to sick to work. So not unemployment

this got me mad now I am pissed and I went to the EEOC and filed a complaint

they had a hearing and my work did not show up. So they sued them when my work

saw they were in deep Shit they sent a Union rep to see me about settling out of

court.

I don't mind saying it cost them an arm and a leg and the guy that locked me out

of work lost his job. So now I am retired with a big settlement.

Still the Dr.'s never had it right I was told I am Primary and I am Secondary.

Once we figured this out and started treating my low Cortisol, Thyroid,

Aldosterone, DHEA and Iron now I am fine and wish I was back at work. So the

bottom line here is to find out why your low in the first place before doing TRT

or you may never feel 100% again or ever know what is wrong.

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

Here's a subject that I don't think has been given much air time. How did all of

you fellas manage your symptoms under stress at work? There's going to be fellas

out there that haven't dialed in their therapy yet. In fact, there are probably

those out there that haven't got a clue yet. Granted, some are symptomatic and

some are not but I'm willing to bet a buffalo nickel that most of us here were

bad symptomatic at one time. We carry this baggage to work and cannot hide it in

the bin above the seat like on an airplane. It is in plain view for all to see.

For me, there were instances of anxieties and depression at work that got kind

of ugly. Sometimes I would get the shakes but finally settled down. I had bad

sweats. Vomiting. I used to have what I'd call a buzzer or this bizarre

sensation originating in the center of my head. I could have sworn it was

originating from my pituitary but that could have been psycho-schematically

developed too. I would hear voices and get slightly paranoid.

One time my wife and I went on a long road trip from Dallas to Boston. I was

fine on the way up there, had a good time while I was there but as soon as I

crossed the state line from Oklahoma back into Texas, the buzzer started to come

back again. I was thinking I was done with it at the time but lo and behold it

came back again and I had no idea what was going on.

How did you guys hold out?

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:03:45 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Yes this group saved my life and I mean it I would like to thank all them guys

that helped me I was a big mess when I came here.

Ditto. this group gave me the info I needed to get and demand the

treatment I needed. And the knowledge that what I was going through

was normal for the condition. SUpport when needed. Information .

Occasionally a kick in the ass. And a chance to be helpful and useful

after be helpless and useless.

God bless y'all.

Dang I'm almost tearing up. Must be time for another arimidex. ;->

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Yep you all most had me crying went and took some. I have I told you getting

just my iron up my E2 is much less a problem. I am doing .25mgs every other day

now from 1mgs every other day and my SHBG come up from being to low and I do

good with an E2 level of 37 before needed to be at 15.

retrogrouch@... wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:03:45 -0800

(PST), you wrote:

>Yes this group saved my life and I mean it I would like to thank all them guys

that helped me I was a big mess when I came here.

Ditto. this group gave me the info I needed to get and demand the

treatment I needed. And the knowledge that what I was going through

was normal for the condition. SUpport when needed. Information .

Occasionally a kick in the ass. And a chance to be helpful and useful

after be helpless and useless.

God bless y'all.

Dang I'm almost tearing up. Must be time for another arimidex. ;->

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

Phil

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