Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Is there anyone on this board using androgel and hcg (novarel) at the same time? Just wondering what your experience has been. -Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 When using a daily T-Gel, often 250IU EOD HCG is a common dosing scheme. Some guys use HCG every day and the inject size ranges from 100IU to 500IU. It is often recommended not to exceed 500IU HCG on any day. The HCG dose size and schedule are variable depending upon your particular metabolism and what is to be achieved. * If your hypogonadism is primarily secondary then you may be able to produce most or all of your testosterone. Some guys use no TRT at all but some doctors feel that TRT should be done together with HCG. * As we age, males often have a mix of secondary and primary hypogonadism.... where your testis are not able to produce at youthful levels, sometimes seen as Late Onset Hypogonadism. HCG still has value but TRT has a greater role in providing testosterone. * If you are primary, then HCG may be of little or no value. IMO, I would still suggest HCG but know the limitations. * Some guys use HCG daily either because they hypermetabolize T or they want to avoid spikes in T that might translate to elevated E2. Lab work is needed to see what works best for you. > > I read that you should inject hcg 2 days prior to the T injection. What would be the proper timing if you are using androgel. What would you start with for the injection size. > > thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Thanks guys, two additional questions: 1. how long to see effects? 2. how long will the hcg vial keep. I won't use the entire 5000 in 30 days thanks > > > From: greytax <no_reply > > > Subject: Androgel and HCG > > > > Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:53 PM > > I read that you should inject hcg 2 > > days prior to the T injection. What would be the > > proper timing if you are using androgel. What would > > you start with for the injection size. > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 You may see effects same day.... no kidding. Generic HCG is often considered to keep up to 30-days after mixing with bacteriostatic water. It is often better to get HCG in 2000IU vials. > > Thanks guys, > > two additional questions: > 1. how long to see effects? > 2. how long will the hcg vial keep. I won't use the entire 5000 in 30 days > > thanks > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Some HCG not many will last 60 days the APP brand is one read the insert. I felt the HCG going to work after my first shot I got this feeling of well being. My Dr. started me on 500 IU's 3x's a week and after the 15th shot we did labs my lab at the time was Bio-tech and there top of range for TT was 1592. Before I started on the HCG my levels were at 600 I was on TRT 23 yrs and my testis were the size of small grapes. When I did my labs my TT doubled went from 600 to 1200. With the help from Dr. on the forums I was able to figure out I was not Primary but Secondary. So my Testis work my Pituitary dose not tell them to work it's called Hypopituitary and mine is do to a head injury from an auto accident some 28 yrs ago. It was very bad for me that Dr.'s missed going over my old labs they were screaming I have a Pituitary Problem. Now do to the HCG and trying it I treat all the hormones that are low or even low normal. To bad it took 23 yrs to figure this out and get the right treatment. In about 4 months my testis came back up in size to normal. I use Novarel HCG and it is good in the fridge for 30 days after mixing. Co-Moderator Phil > From: greytax <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Androgel and HCG > > Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 8:32 PM > Thanks guys, > > two additional questions: > 1. how long to see effects? > 2. how long will the hcg vial keep. I won't use the > entire 5000 in 30 days > > thanks > > > > > > > > From: greytax <no_reply > > > > Subject: Androgel and HCG > > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:53 PM > > > I read that you should inject hcg 2 > > > days prior to the T injection. What would be > the > > > proper timing if you are using androgel. What > would > > > you start with for the injection size. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 If you guys are getting your HCG from the ADC they changed there best selling brand Hucog 2000 i.u. (Premixed Vial) It's now Premixed WTF are they thinking this us useless for us you can't keep this in the fridge. You need to call them and ask them what they are doing and how they ship this if it's not shipped cold it's not good. Or get this brand. Corion 2000 i.u. and mix it with Bac. water. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <kevinh@...> > Subject: Re: Androgel and HCG > > Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:46 PM > You may see effects same day.... no > kidding. > > Generic HCG is often considered to keep up to 30-days after > mixing with bacteriostatic water. It is often better > to get HCG in 2000IU vials. > > > > > > Thanks guys, > > > > two additional questions: > > 1. how long to see effects? > > 2. how long will the hcg vial keep. I won't use > the entire 5000 in 30 days > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 They claim until it's opened it's good for about a yr. If this were true why dose all HCG sold except one brand have to be mixed. The one brand that comes mixed is 1000 to 1500 IU's and comes in the mail in a cold pack and is to be used the day you get it all of it it's for women try to get pregnant. We will just have to see ADC says if your not happy with it they will send you a diff. brand. There are a lot of guys stuck with this all over the web so we will see. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: <kevinhgarden (DOT) > <mailto:kevinh%40garden.net> net> > > Subject: Re: Androgel and HCG > > @ > <mailto: %40> > > > Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:46 PM > > You may see effects same day.... no > > kidding. > > > > Generic HCG is often considered to keep up to 30-days > after > > mixing with bacteriostatic water. It is often > better > > to get HCG in 2000IU vials. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks guys, > > > > > > two additional questions: > > > 1. how long to see effects? > > > 2. how long will the hcg vial keep. I won't > use > > the entire 5000 in 30 days > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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