Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Phill i just got some liver function test results back after i had that big testo shot 2 weeks back, reandron 1000 it was, they are not good, all my liver levels spiked and one is actually raised over the top of normal. I been using TMG and DIM, i am taking 500mgs of TMG, is this perhaps not enough? is the massive one off injection of 1000mgs harder on the liver than say once a week ones? After the failure with the gels, and now this i am seriously considering abandoning TRT. Before i was on HC i had normal testo levels, it was only once i started that they became low, and my dhea is now barely existant. When i was on 150mgs of dhea my total testo was at the top of the range but my estrodial was right up there with it. I am just thinking what if i go back to DHEA and take DIM, will this perhaps solve my issues rather than al these shots which is only eventually gonna atrophy my testicles anyway, which will then require me being on it for life. And if am able to get off HC when my adrenals heal that would be a terrible outcome, would mean i solved one health problem only to give me another one, so confused as to what to do. I am seriously considering abandoning all the thyroid treatment, heading back to t4, no HC, and no anything, just seems to be a merry go round. In the meantime how do i get these raised liver counts to go down? how much TMG should i be using? would milk thistle extract help my liver? Thanks for the advice really need your help here. Shaun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I take 2 750 mgs of TMG one at noon and one at bedtime I don't understand how this happened what kind of DIM are you using. I posted to one of the Dr.'s I know when he gets back to me I will tell you what he said in the mean time try posting about this to Dr. no just cut and paste this post to him tell him Phil pmgamer18 sent you. http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/index.php Co-Moderator Phil > From: Shaun <shaun.repacholi@...> > Subject: raised liver count > > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:47 AM > Phill i just got some liver function > test results back after i had that big testo shot 2 weeks > back, reandron 1000 it was, they are not good, all my liver > levels spiked and one is actually raised over the top of > normal. I been using TMG and DIM, i am taking 500mgs of TMG, > is this perhaps not enough? is the massive one off injection > of 1000mgs harder on the liver than say once a week ones? > After the failure with the gels, and now this i am seriously > considering abandoning TRT. Before i was on HC i had normal > testo levels, it was only once i started that they became > low, and my dhea is now barely existant. When i was on > 150mgs of dhea my total testo was at the top of the range > but my estrodial was right up there with it. I am just > thinking what if i go back to DHEA and take DIM, will this > perhaps solve my issues rather than al these shots which is > only eventually gonna atrophy my testicles anyway, which > will then require me being on it for life. And if am able to > get off HC when my adrenals heal that would be a terrible > outcome, would mean i solved one health problem only to give > me another one, so confused as to what to do. I am seriously > considering abandoning all the thyroid treatment, heading > back to t4, no HC, and no anything, just seems to be a merry > go round. In the meantime how do i get these raised liver > counts to go down? how much TMG should i be using? would > milk thistle extract help my liver? Thanks for the advice > really need your help here. Shaun. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Here is the reply from one of my friends about your liver. ========================================================================= If he worked out the night before real hard then this is normal for liver enzyme being high I would dhea with adex, but also needs to check 2/16 hydro ratio as well via urine to see if he is on enough dim Keep thyroid where it is for now but adjust what he knows worked for him in the past. Cortisol lowered DHEA in his case lowered his testosterone (every one is different) Co-Moderator Phil > From: Shaun <shaun.repacholi@...> > Subject: raised liver count > > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:47 AM > Phill i just got some liver function > test results back after i had that big testo shot 2 weeks > back, reandron 1000 it was, they are not good, all my liver > levels spiked and one is actually raised over the top of > normal. I been using TMG and DIM, i am taking 500mgs of TMG, > is this perhaps not enough? is the massive one off injection > of 1000mgs harder on the liver than say once a week ones? > After the failure with the gels, and now this i am seriously > considering abandoning TRT. Before i was on HC i had normal > testo levels, it was only once i started that they became > low, and my dhea is now barely existant. When i was on > 150mgs of dhea my total testo was at the top of the range > but my estrodial was right up there with it. I am just > thinking what if i go back to DHEA and take DIM, will this > perhaps solve my issues rather than al these shots which is > only eventually gonna atrophy my testicles anyway, which > will then require me being on it for life. And if am able to > get off HC when my adrenals heal that would be a terrible > outcome, would mean i solved one health problem only to give > me another one, so confused as to what to do. I am seriously > considering abandoning all the thyroid treatment, heading > back to t4, no HC, and no anything, just seems to be a merry > go round. In the meantime how do i get these raised liver > counts to go down? how much TMG should i be using? would > milk thistle extract help my liver? Thanks for the advice > really need your help here. Shaun. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:47:09 -0000, you wrote: > >Phill i just got some liver function test results back after i had that big testo shot 2 weeks back, reandron 1000 it was, they are not good, all my liver levels spiked and one is actually raised over the top of normal. I been using TMG and DIM, i am taking 500mgs of TMG, is this perhaps not enough? is the massive one off injection of 1000mgs harder on the liver than say once a week ones? After the failure with the gels, and now this i am seriously considering abandoning TRT. Before i was on HC i had normal testo levels, it was only once i started that they became low, and my dhea is now barely existant. When i was on 150mgs of dhea my total testo was at the top of the range but my estrodial was right up there with it. I am just thinking what if i go back to DHEA and take DIM, will this perhaps solve my issues rather than al these shots which is only eventually gonna atrophy my testicles anyway, which will then require me being on it for life. And if am able to get off HC when my >adrenals heal that would be a terrible outcome, would mean i solved one health problem only to give me another one, so confused as to what to do. I am seriously considering abandoning all the thyroid treatment, heading back to t4, no HC, and no anything, just seems to be a merry go round. In the meantime how do i get these raised liver counts to go down? how much TMG should i be using? would milk thistle extract help my liver? Thanks for the advice really need your help here. Shaun. I note the TMG. DO you have heart issues? Are you taking statins? They can screw up liver enzymes - by muscle deterioration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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