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I would be very curious in folk's reply, as well.

Are there any herbals or off-the-shelf nutrient combinations that

folks have found useful? I know Phil uses Maca, but are there others?

Thanks and blessings,

Bill

>

> when I was younger sex was always on my mind, I want to get that

> feeling in my loins again. Any suggestions?

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ED and loss of Libido and what I did about it.

======================================================

In the 25 yrs I have been on TRT I was dam low on my first blood test 120

total T I was 40 yrs. old and felt dam bad. I pushed my shelf to go to work and

act normal around my family until I could not get out of bed. First 5 yrs of

this I was told I am Depressed and was treated for this until we found out I am

not depressed but have low testosterone so I was 45 when I went on TRT. Even

with levels this low and dam bad fatigue I never had a problem with sex could do

it everyday.

It was when I went on TRT that I started getting probelms loss of libidol then

ED then no orgasms.

All of this was due to low levels of testosterone and higher levels if Estradiol

long before I found out about my estradiol high levels. I was using a penis pump

and cock ring to have sex still no orgasm. This went on from about age 50 to age

58. I was all ready doing supplements for libido like Maca and L-Arginine and

L-Histidine.

Here is what I find that works one needs there Testosterone up into the upper

1/3 of there labs range for a young man for both Total and Free T. And the big

bad guy here is Estradiol we all need this down between 10 to 30 best at 20 if

your SHBG is on the high side your Estradiol can be up as high as 40.

Getting Estardiol down my ED was gone but no libido so to have sex I needed to

work on it to get it up. As soon as we stop it would go down fast to dam fast. I

started having sex again and could reach an orgasm.

Here is one problem that happens once you have some ED you mind is allways on it

and when you go to have sex it's in the back of your mind " will it stay up " and

this kills it. So my Dr. gave me Cialis 20 mgs and told me to take it every 3

days not only to help with sex but for night time and morning wood, Believe it

or not when you stop getting this your penis gets weak and this was why it went

down so fast if we stop working on it. On the Cialis I could have sex and it

would stay up my morning wood come back and the more I had it the better my

penis got. Now today I can have sex with out Cialis and it stays up a good 3

mins if we are not touching it. I am 64 now.

Now for Libido Maca helps and I still take L-A stopped the L-H yrs. ago. I know

this because I stopped using it for a time and could tell the difference. When I

started treating my thyroid and cortisol levels my libido came back it's not

anything to brag about but it's there now and I have only been on treating my

thyroid and low cortisol levels this yr. So as time gones on it's getting

better.

The best gauge you have is your morning and night time wood to tell if your E2

levels are best. I use Indolplex/DIM to keep my E2 " Estradiol " levels down

don't take this unless your get your estradiol tested.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

I take one table at dinner time don't do more the one thinking this will work

faster you can go down so fast you will miss the morning wood. In 2 weeks you

sould get some strong wood this means your E2 is at a good level. Keep taking

the DIM but if your night time and morning wood stops your going to low. I use

wood go gage my E2 levels and it works dam good. So if your wood stop and you

can't get it up fast stop the DIM until it comes back. That day go back on it

but cut the DIM table in half.

Sidney Hall <hall_sid1@...> wrote:

when I was younger sex was always on my mind, I want to get that

feeling in my loins again. Any suggestions?

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

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--Thanks, but I still don't have my answers.

- In , philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

wrote:

>

> ED and loss of Libido and what I did about it.

> ======================================================

>

> In the 25 yrs I have been on TRT I was dam low on my first

blood test 120 total T I was 40 yrs. old and felt dam bad. I pushed

my shelf to go to work and act normal around my family until I could

not get out of bed. First 5 yrs of this I was told I am Depressed and

was treated for this until we found out I am not depressed but have

low testosterone so I was 45 when I went on TRT. Even with levels

this low and dam bad fatigue I never had a problem with sex could do

it everyday.

>

> It was when I went on TRT that I started getting probelms loss of

libidol then ED then no orgasms.

>

> All of this was due to low levels of testosterone and higher levels

if Estradiol long before I found out about my estradiol high levels.

I was using a penis pump and cock ring to have sex still no orgasm.

This went on from about age 50 to age 58. I was all ready doing

supplements for libido like Maca and L-Arginine and L-Histidine.

>

> Here is what I find that works one needs there Testosterone up into

the upper 1/3 of there labs range for a young man for both Total and

Free T. And the big bad guy here is Estradiol we all need this down

between 10 to 30 best at 20 if your SHBG is on the high side your

Estradiol can be up as high as 40.

>

> Getting Estardiol down my ED was gone but no libido so to have sex

I needed to work on it to get it up. As soon as we stop it would go

down fast to dam fast. I started having sex again and could reach an

orgasm.

>

> Here is one problem that happens once you have some ED you mind is

allways on it and when you go to have sex it's in the back of your

mind " will it stay up " and this kills it. So my Dr. gave me Cialis

20 mgs and told me to take it every 3 days not only to help with sex

but for night time and morning wood, Believe it or not when you stop

getting this your penis gets weak and this was why it went down so

fast if we stop working on it. On the Cialis I could have sex and it

would stay up my morning wood come back and the more I had it the

better my penis got. Now today I can have sex with out Cialis and it

stays up a good 3 mins if we are not touching it. I am 64 now.

>

> Now for Libido Maca helps and I still take L-A stopped the L-H yrs.

ago. I know this because I stopped using it for a time and could tell

the difference. When I started treating my thyroid and cortisol

levels my libido came back it's not anything to brag about but it's

there now and I have only been on treating my thyroid and low

cortisol levels this yr. So as time gones on it's getting better.

>

> The best gauge you have is your morning and night time wood to tell

if your E2 levels are best. I use Indolplex/DIM to keep my

E2 " Estradiol " levels down don't take this unless your get your

estradiol tested.

> http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

>

> I take one table at dinner time don't do more the one thinking

this will work faster you can go down so fast you will miss the

morning wood. In 2 weeks you sould get some strong wood this means

your E2 is at a good level. Keep taking the DIM but if your night

time and morning wood stops your going to low. I use wood go gage my

E2 levels and it works dam good. So if your wood stop and you can't

get it up fast stop the DIM until it comes back. That day go back on

it but cut the DIM table in half.

>

>

>

> Sidney Hall <hall_sid1@...> wrote:

> when I was younger sex was always on my mind, I want to

get that

> feeling in my loins again. Any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

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Phil,

What is your Maca and L-A regimen again?

Thanks,

Bill

> when I was younger sex was always on my mind, I want to

get that

> feeling in my loins again. Any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

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Sounds to me like you alreay have your anwwer. Here was your question.

when I was younger sex was always on my mind, I want to

get that feeling in my loins again. Any suggestions?

If your hormones are not up and to low this is the best answer you would find.

Sidney Hall <hall_sid1@...> wrote:

--Thanks, but I still don't have my answers.

- In , philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

wrote:

>

> ED and loss of Libido and what I did about it.

> ======================================================

>

> In the 25 yrs I have been on TRT I was dam low on my first

blood test 120 total T I was 40 yrs. old and felt dam bad. I pushed

my shelf to go to work and act normal around my family until I could

not get out of bed. First 5 yrs of this I was told I am Depressed and

was treated for this until we found out I am not depressed but have

low testosterone so I was 45 when I went on TRT. Even with levels

this low and dam bad fatigue I never had a problem with sex could do

it everyday.

>

> It was when I went on TRT that I started getting probelms loss of

libidol then ED then no orgasms.

>

> All of this was due to low levels of testosterone and higher levels

if Estradiol long before I found out about my estradiol high levels.

I was using a penis pump and cock ring to have sex still no orgasm.

This went on from about age 50 to age 58. I was all ready doing

supplements for libido like Maca and L-Arginine and L-Histidine.

>

> Here is what I find that works one needs there Testosterone up into

the upper 1/3 of there labs range for a young man for both Total and

Free T. And the big bad guy here is Estradiol we all need this down

between 10 to 30 best at 20 if your SHBG is on the high side your

Estradiol can be up as high as 40.

>

> Getting Estardiol down my ED was gone but no libido so to have sex

I needed to work on it to get it up. As soon as we stop it would go

down fast to dam fast. I started having sex again and could reach an

orgasm.

>

> Here is one problem that happens once you have some ED you mind is

allways on it and when you go to have sex it's in the back of your

mind " will it stay up " and this kills it. So my Dr. gave me Cialis

20 mgs and told me to take it every 3 days not only to help with sex

but for night time and morning wood, Believe it or not when you stop

getting this your penis gets weak and this was why it went down so

fast if we stop working on it. On the Cialis I could have sex and it

would stay up my morning wood come back and the more I had it the

better my penis got. Now today I can have sex with out Cialis and it

stays up a good 3 mins if we are not touching it. I am 64 now.

>

> Now for Libido Maca helps and I still take L-A stopped the L-H yrs.

ago. I know this because I stopped using it for a time and could tell

the difference. When I started treating my thyroid and cortisol

levels my libido came back it's not anything to brag about but it's

there now and I have only been on treating my thyroid and low

cortisol levels this yr. So as time gones on it's getting better.

>

> The best gauge you have is your morning and night time wood to tell

if your E2 levels are best. I use Indolplex/DIM to keep my

E2 " Estradiol " levels down don't take this unless your get your

estradiol tested.

> http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

>

> I take one table at dinner time don't do more the one thinking

this will work faster you can go down so fast you will miss the

morning wood. In 2 weeks you sould get some strong wood this means

your E2 is at a good level. Keep taking the DIM but if your night

time and morning wood stops your going to low. I use wood go gage my

E2 levels and it works dam good. So if your wood stop and you can't

get it up fast stop the DIM until it comes back. That day go back on

it but cut the DIM table in half.

>

>

>

> Sidney Hall <hall_sid1@...> wrote:

> when I was younger sex was always on my mind, I want to

get that

> feeling in my loins again. Any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

Search.

>

>

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I take this L-A at bedtime some do 4 pills I only need one with my E2 levels

good.

http://www.myvitanet.com/twinarcap100.html

I do 1 tsp of maca powder in some unsweetened apple sauce in the morning and 1

tsp at noon with some yogurt.

I buy it by the Pound it cheaper this way.

http://www.macaweb.com/?pid=products_dtl & pn=11-002

Doing maca helps to keep my hormones more leveled too my seamen went from a

drop to a load.

williamb11 <no_reply > wrote:

Phil,

What is your Maca and L-A regimen again?

Thanks,

Bill

> when I was younger sex was always on my mind, I want to

get that

> feeling in my loins again. Any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

Search.

>

>

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The feeling in your head and pants can only happen if your T level is

high enough. When you take injections, salves or lotions there is a

chance the E2 can go up and you loose all of your benefit.

I have been receiving hormone pellets since 1991 and as there is a

constant dosage 24/7 as the pellets dissolve, there is rarely any E2

problem.

ED does not mean your brain shows no interest. High E2 can cause ED

and loss of libido.

ED is also a natural item in men's lives as their nerves essential for

erections begin to age and perform badly. The pills work with these

nerves to enhance their performance until the nerves don't work any

more. Many begin feeling age related ED by 60 some few never have it.

When the nerves are damaged by diabetes of age, there is still

something called injection therapy using TRIMIX that can help with

erections.

With TRT and something to allow good erections you should feel like a

king again.

ernestnolan

>

> when I was younger sex was always on my mind, I want to get that

> feeling in my loins again. Any suggestions?

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I agree with the gang. I take the Indoplex Phil recommends daily. I also take

one 50mg of Zinc to act as a natural aromatase inhibitor followed by a 2mg

tablet of Copper daily.

With testosterone management also comes estradiol (E2) management. You

shouldn't do one without doing the other. They go hand in hand.

High testosterone followed by low estradiol will guarantee you wood. Remember

sitting on the couch watching TV and you could think a boner and it would

happen? It was those early teen years. You can re-inact those days once you get

it together.

ernestnolan <ernestnolan@...> wrote:

The feeling in your head and pants can only happen if your T level is

high enough. When you take injections, salves or lotions there is a

chance the E2 can go up and you loose all of your benefit.

I have been receiving hormone pellets since 1991 and as there is a

constant dosage 24/7 as the pellets dissolve, there is rarely any E2

problem.

ED does not mean your brain shows no interest. High E2 can cause ED

and loss of libido.

ED is also a natural item in men's lives as their nerves essential for

erections begin to age and perform badly. The pills work with these

nerves to enhance their performance until the nerves don't work any

more. Many begin feeling age related ED by 60 some few never have it.

When the nerves are damaged by diabetes of age, there is still

something called injection therapy using TRIMIX that can help with

erections.

With TRT and something to allow good erections you should feel like a

king again.

ernestnolan

>

> when I was younger sex was always on my mind, I want to get that

> feeling in my loins again. Any suggestions?

>

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