The Hallelujah Diet-The other side of the story!

[Guest guest]

Dear Rosemary & Gang,

I have no doubt that you are helped by the H.D. As I already told you, I

know someone who was helped, although it was just for a couple of years that he

was helped, so it was indeed short-term. BUT I also know someone that was

helped from his illness on the Adkins diet, so I think either diet can be

healthy.

However, in the long run, a strict vegetarian diet is unhealthy and, again,

dangerous. I personally do not believe that anyone stays on this 100% for many

years, at least not the vegetarians that I've known, SDAs. You might can add

certain things, like fish and eggs from free-range chicken and be fine.

In my opinion, people need balance, and what better balance than scriptural

nutrition, which includes plant-based foods and meats that Yahweh created to

eat.

Flaxseed is good for us!!! But if you'll study about Omega 3s, you'll learn

that flaxseed just does not work as good as fish oil and eating meats and eggs

high in Omega 3. It's makeup is more complicated and doesn't enter your body

as good. This is pretty easy to research. It's just not as good.

B12 supplements are not as good as what is in meats. Now, you might have the

injections, or there's something new out that you can inhale, but the

supplements do not work as well. Here is a good article about B12: <A

HREF= " http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/26/vegetarianism_myths_02.htm " >

http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/26/vegetarianism_myths_02.htm</A>

Many people are under the mistaken belief (I suppose because they want to

believe it's so) that vegetarians are healthier than meat-eaters, which is

absolutely not the truth!!!

Take care,

Susie

[Guest guest]

> I think some people just need meat, not every day but sometimes

Yeah, I agree! I eat grass-fed beef and free-range chicken, but I don't

think that we need huge amounts to make us healthy. I think that less food is

better, actually. It's easier on our digestion system in small amounts.

Also, I've known people on so-called vegetarian diets, which they really

weren't vegetarians anyway, and they were sickly. They even looked sickly with

a

bad skin coloring. Basically they weren't getting their nutrition and needed

supplements of some sort.

I do believe there's times when a person needs to go without meat because of

an illness but only for short periods of time, or maybe because they have

liver or kidney disease that limits their protein intake. Again, fish oil

should

be taken.

Susie

[Guest guest]

I too believe that small quantities of meat are good for you. I mean no

disrespect to Rosemary, but I've come to that conclusion by what my body tells

me.

I try very hard to eat only organic meats. If you only knew what

intensively raised animals are subjected to in regards to what is injected into

and fed

to them, it is understandable why many people advocate vegeterianism. I

always feel better if I have a little meat every day. In fact, my diet has

lately

consisted of organic meat, veg and fruits. No dairy, sugar, wheat. I feel

so much better. My skin is really clear, I've dropped some weight without

trying, my GB is much less sore than it was, although I know that it will take

some time. But it's a start. I am walking 3 to 5 miles a day too.

[Guest guest]

I too believe that small quantities of meat are good for you. I mean no

disrespect to Rosemary, but I've come to that conclusion by what my body

tells me.

I try very hard to eat only organic meats.

One of my problems with the H.D. diet is not only is it unhealthy in the long

run, but they're lying about the Scriptures teaching that we only need

veggies. First off, they use Gen. 1:29 to state that we only need the veggies,

but

they don't even consider what scriptural time frame that was in. There was a

time before the great flood and before the canopy burst that mankind only

needed plant-based foods and fruits because they were extremely healthy to begin

with. You can even tell how long mankind was living before the flood. They

didn't need meat to survive at that time.

After the crystiline canopy burst, the lifespan of mankind shortly dropped.

The canopy protected against the harmful rays of the sun. When it burst,

mankind was bombarded with harmful rays. And it caused more than that, too, but

I

won't go into it now on this board. If you're interested, then I'll talk to

you through person e-mail.

So after the flood, Yahweh tells Noah in Gen. 9:3, " Every creeping thing

which is alive shall be food for you, EVEN AS THE GREEN PLANT. " This is

all-inclusive in the Hebrew. Of course, we know that Noah only ate the clean

meat and

even knew what clean meat was to begin with. For example, see Gen. 7:3.

Now, anyone can study all through the Scriptures, line upon line, precept

upon precept, a little here, a little there (Isa. 28:9ff, cf. Isa. 34:16) and

see

that people ate meat. The messiah ate meat.

So in my opinion, they are lying and it's easy to see that.

Susie

[Guest guest]

I> I believe in following a diet based

> on the bible.

,

A Bible-based diet means you eat meat too! It does not state anywhere that

we need only veggies....EVER!

Susie

[Guest guest]

dont know much about the bible, but every religion has their own beleifs

and no one folloes the bible exactly. We are living in a different time and

we all need to eat what our bodies are telling us to eat.

Most every " religion " in the whole world comes from the Scriptures, or pieces

of that religion comes from the scriptural teaching at some time or another.

Also depends on what you mean by following the Bible exactly. Do you mean

exactly as the translators falsly translate stuff? You have to actually do some

digging to see what's being said. If you're going to search for hidden

treasure, you have to learn how to read the treasure map if it's written in

other

languages.

One of the biggest misunderstandings is that somehow we are different because

we live in a different time. Truth is, mankind is still the same, does the

same things, has the same problems, commits the same sins as they have always

had. Nothing has changed, except before the flood there was healthier people,

a healthier atmosphere, healthier foods. But it's obvious that mankind still

had the same problems!!!

I always say to each their own.

Susie

[Guest guest]

dont think eating small amounts of meat everynow and then is going to

raise your risk for colon cancer. the american diet consists of meat at

every meal and that is the problem.

I agree!

Susie

[Guest guest]

it stated that yahweh did write the bible, but

that yahweh was a false god and alien

That's the craziest thing that I've ever heard. It's also false!!!

Susie

[Guest guest]

I had to go vegetarian when I had my gallbladder and I got soo weak and sick

that I almost wasted away to nothing in just 6 months. I know that this diet

is good for some and not good for others. I havve a friend who is a raw

fooder for many years, she is very sick with a chronic cough and jaundice

among other things, I know she rarely strays from her diet but she is still

very sick. she also did a 6 week water fast (supervised!) AND she is still

very sick. I think some people just need meat, not every day but sometimes.

>From: Tishri7@...

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: Re: The Hallelujah Diet-The other side of the story!

>Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:23:41 EDT

>

>Dear Rosemary & Gang,

>I have no doubt that you are helped by the H.D. As I already told you, I

>know someone who was helped, although it was just for a couple of years

>that he

>was helped, so it was indeed short-term. BUT I also know someone that was

>helped from his illness on the Adkins diet, so I think either diet can be

>healthy.

>

>

>However, in the long run, a strict vegetarian diet is unhealthy and, again,

>dangerous. I personally do not believe that anyone stays on this 100% for

>many

>years, at least not the vegetarians that I've known, SDAs. You might can

>add

>certain things, like fish and eggs from free-range chicken and be fine.

>

>In my opinion, people need balance, and what better balance than scriptural

>nutrition, which includes plant-based foods and meats that Yahweh created

>to

>eat.

>

>Flaxseed is good for us!!! But if you'll study about Omega 3s, you'll

>learn

>that flaxseed just does not work as good as fish oil and eating meats and

>eggs

>high in Omega 3. It's makeup is more complicated and doesn't enter your

>body

>as good. This is pretty easy to research. It's just not as good.

>

>B12 supplements are not as good as what is in meats. Now, you might have

>the

>injections, or there's something new out that you can inhale, but the

>supplements do not work as well. Here is a good article about B12: <A

>HREF= " http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/26/vegetarianism_myths_02.htm " >

>http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/26/vegetarianism_myths_02.htm</A>

>

>Many people are under the mistaken belief (I suppose because they want to

>believe it's so) that vegetarians are healthier than meat-eaters, which is

>absolutely not the truth!!!

>Take care,

>Susie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> It was after the flood and after God told man it was OK to eat meat that

> mans life was shortened to 120 years

If you're talking about Gen. 6:3, it states: And Yahweh said, My ruach

(spirit) shall not always strive with man; in their erring he is flesh. And his

days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

This does not mean that mankind's years were shortened to 120 years. This

means that it's 120 years until the flood at this point. Study after the flood

and see that there were people over 120 years old and it continues to go down.

In Gen. 9:1ff, when Noah leaves the ark, Yahweh is giving Noah blessings,

which in the blessings includes eating meat.

Susie

[Guest guest]

I do not consider being able to eat meat a blessing. I hate death, I

hate killing things, I hate the sight of meat----it is all death

oriented. I beleive it was another curse ---by shortnening mans life

span wicked people would not have time to learn to do more wicked

things. Never will anyone ever be able to convince me that eating

meat is a good thing. Not ever. Yuk. Steph

Well, the Bible teaches that it is a blessing to have meat. Yahweh was

giving Noah and his family a blessing after he left the ark. Noah gave a

free-will

offering to Yahweh when he took of every clean animal and every clean bird

and offered burnt offerings. In Gen. 8:11 it even states that Yahweh loved the

odor!!!

In Gen. 18, three males are visiting with Abraham. One of these three males

is identified as Yahweh, see v. 22. Abraham had food prepared as well as

meat. They ALL ATE, even Yahweh!!!

Adamkind is given rulership over the animals too! I do not believe in

killing an animal just for fun or anything like that. However, I do believe in

having animals for food. Animals are not the same type of nephesh as humans.

The

difference is that Yahweh breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life,

which in turn had the sacred ruach (spirit). This did not take place with

animals.

Susie

[Guest guest]

this is fascinating information. unfortunately there is no way to know if it

is true. there is a guy on a list somwhere here that has done alot of study

on the subject. tracy jones. you can talk to him on his list mrtracyscorner.

i know he does the flushes himself but uses wateroz magnesium instead of

epsom salts. wateroz makes some very good liquid minerals. he has some

really interesting ideas. he talked about a book called the lost book of

enki, which i haven't read. it stated that yahweh did write the bible, but

that yahweh was a false god and alien

i have been off and on d'adamo's o diet for many years. there are many

variations on this diet. some people call it paleo, or primal, or caveman.

there is definitely something to it for me. there's also a dr, dead now,

named newbold who was very into this type of eating, and reversed heart

disease in himself by eating mainly meat and water. when i stick to the diet

i pass tons of old gunk from my intestines. it's been going on for many

years. the diet must be compatible with my system since it invokes a

cleansing. the problem is i got so deep into it that it triggered a really

severe cleansing reaction. my diverticulitis healed itself, skin problems

gone. but about 7 years into it i got lung problems.a cough i had when i was

11 resurfaced. i can assume that it got deep and now my lungs are trying to

heal from very old damage. i mentioned before about the primal diet, which

is similar to the o type d'adamo diet, but you eat things raw. this had a

profound effect as well. i did it not strictly for about 1 year and a half.

i don't get colds anymore. i can lick the shoe off of a dirty street corner

and not worry about bacteria. it's fairly remarkable.

obviously rosemary is getting some great results, so good for her. and i'm

sure the cautions have registered in her brain.

nutrition is a vast subject. and most of us who are doing these things are

in new territory, because th effects of cleansing such huge amount of filth

from our bodies are undocumented.

[Guest guest]

I dont know much about the bible, but every religion has their own beleifs

and no one folloes the bible exactly. We are living in a different time and

we all need to eat what our bodies are telling us to eat.

>

>I too believe that small quantities of meat are good for you. I mean no

>disrespect to Rosemary, but I've come to that conclusion by what my body

>tells me.

>I try very hard to eat only organic meats.

>

>

>One of my problems with the H.D. diet is not only is it unhealthy in the

>long

>run, but they're lying about the Scriptures teaching that we only need

>veggies. First off, they use Gen. 1:29 to state that we only need the

>veggies, but

>they don't even consider what scriptural time frame that was in. There was

>a

>time before the great flood and before the canopy burst that mankind only

>needed plant-based foods and fruits because they were extremely healthy to

>begin

>with. You can even tell how long mankind was living before the flood.

>They

>didn't need meat to survive at that time.

>

>After the crystiline canopy burst, the lifespan of mankind shortly dropped.

>The canopy protected against the harmful rays of the sun. When it burst,

>mankind was bombarded with harmful rays. And it caused more than that,

>too, but I

>won't go into it now on this board. If you're interested, then I'll talk

>to

>you through person e-mail.

>

>So after the flood, Yahweh tells Noah in Gen. 9:3, " Every creeping thing

>which is alive shall be food for you, EVEN AS THE GREEN PLANT. " This is

>all-inclusive in the Hebrew. Of course, we know that Noah only ate the

>clean meat and

>even knew what clean meat was to begin with. For example, see Gen. 7:3.

>

>Now, anyone can study all through the Scriptures, line upon line, precept

>upon precept, a little here, a little there (Isa. 28:9ff, cf. Isa. 34:16)

>and see

>that people ate meat. The messiah ate meat.

>

>So in my opinion, they are lying and it's easy to see that.

>

>Susie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do not think it is just that people need meat so much, but they do

need starch---I am pretty much a veggie and have no problem without meat

(eat lots of nuts) but without my 9 grain bread I would go NUTS. Too

much raw veggies will make you flat out sick as well---they need to be

cooked at least a little bit. LOL. Steph

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Seu Tefila Le-Shlom Yisrael

God Bless America

[Guest guest]

It was after the flood and after God told man it was OK to eat meat that

mans life was shortened to 120 years. Much better NOT to eat meat if

you can do it I think. I quit eating meat and felt like a million

bucks. Dont need it at all so long as I get my nuts and starches.

Steph

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Seu Tefila Le-Shlom Yisrael

God Bless America

[Guest guest]

I do not consider being able to eat meat a blessing. I hate death, I

hate killing things, I hate the sight of meat----it is all death

oriented. I beleive it was another curse ---by shortnening mans life

span wicked people would not have time to learn to do more wicked

things. Never will anyone ever be able to convince me that eating

meat is a good thing. Not ever. Yuk. Steph

http://community.webtv.net/ectopistes/PassengerPigeon

http://community.webtv.net/ectopistes/ThePassengerPigeon

http://community.webtv.net/ectopistes/MYPASSENGERPIGEONS

Seu Tefila Le-Shlom Yisrael

God Bless America

[Guest guest]

All that you say may be true, but for myself I am correct in my dislike

and distaste for meat and for killing. Back then there was probably

not as much for them to eat as we have today and so that would make it

more of a blessing. Have any of you ever stopped to think WHAT in the

WORLD would happen to us over weight, over fed Americans if we had a

serious famine???????? We would NOT do well at all. I do not think

it is a matter of IF we will ever have one either, but a matter of WHEN.

I am like most people, have terrible trouble with over eating and

craving starches no matter what I do. I just have to keep working at

it------and never give up. Steph

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Seu Tefila Le-Shlom Yisrael

God Bless America

[Guest guest]

Dear Gang,

I have late-stage Lyme 24 years with neurological and muscle damage which

put me in a wheelchair and on a walking frame in recent years. My husband

and I went on the Hallelujah diet over 3 years ago. Prior to the diet I was

eating what I thought was healthy. Free-range chicken & eggs, deep sea

fish, salmon, fruit, vegies, seeds, nuts, wholegrains, low-fat yoghurt etc.

I was still going rapidly down-hill.

Prior to the Hallelujah diet (H.D.) I also had fibrocystic breast disease.

I believe this was pre-cancerous and I had to have it monitored with

mamograms etc. Since adopting the H.D. all my breast lumps are gone. I was

numb down my left side and had severe chronic migraine. I also have bits of

vision missing due to Lyme. Since the H.D. my numbnesss has nearly all gone

and my circulation is so much better. The migraines are now rare, though I

still have vision damage. I only use my wheelchair now for distances and my

walking frame sometimes. Hip-joint problems have gone!

My husband Vic had shocking insomnia for over 12 years. Many nights he only

slept 1-2 hours and was demented from lack of sleep. With the H.D. he now

sleeps a good 6 hours at least. He had a P.S.A. reading of 4.4. Since the

H.D. his P.S.A. is 1.1. He was aneamic, despite taking iron tabs and eating

red meat etc. Three months after starting the H.D. his iron went up to

normal without supplements and has remained excellent. His chronic leg

cramps have gone since the H.D.

There have been many other improvements on this diet. I would hate to think

how I would be if I had not got onto it when I did. As much as I enjoy

eating animal products, I never want to return to the state of ill health

they had contributed to.

We get our Vitamin B 12 levels checked regularly. If anyone wants to

address this issue, Malkmus has written plenty on it and he now

recommends a B 12 supplement twice per week. He believes this is safer than

the associated risks from eating animals.

As for Omega 3's, 6's & 9's, these can be obtained from flax seed oil which

also includes in the diet. This is readily available in health food

stores.

In fact ALL the objections raised in this group have been addressed honestly

by for anyone to read.

From what I read, eliminating animal products reduces your risk of stroke

and heart attack from 50% down to 4%. Countries where they don't eat many

animal products have a much lower incedence of gall stones, heart disease,

cancer, osteoporosis, PMS, etc, etc.

Now, I am not going to argue with anyone. I can only state what happened to

me and what I believe to be true. Please do your own research.

BTW, we don't even get colds or flus anymore, Hallelujah!

Wishing you health,

Rosemary.

----- Original Message -----

From: <Tishri7@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:44 AM

Subject: Re: Re: The other side of the story!

> This article is a jewel for anyone the slightest bit interested in

> learning more about the vegan/animal controversy. Thanks

>

>

>

> Vince,

> That's only the tip of the iceburg. In the search field above at

Mercola's

> site, type in hallelujah diet and you'll pull up lots of stuff. Another

thing,

> type in Omega 3. He has lots of stuff about getting our Omega 3s, which

you

> get a lot of them from free-range chicken & eggs, grass-fed beef & bison,

some

> fish are okay, but many have become too toxic. If you don't get your

Omega

> 3s, it's dangerous, and you can't get them from a strict vegan diet. It's

> impossible unless you take fish oil caps, but then it wouldn't be a strict

vegan

> diet.

>

> Susie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You are right, Rosemary. You can only tell what happened to you and

I'm glad you did. Many other people have simelar stories to you,

and they found a way to regain their health. I don't want to argue

either, so let's not. The point is that there are a lot of ex

vegans who languished on their lack of animal products and later

thrived on the animal products. Could it be that people are

different, they have different problems, and their problems require

different solutions? I think so. Please keep an open mind as time

goes on. After your body gets stronger, it will not only be able to

handle animal products, but it will need them. When will that be?

I don't know. Hopefully your health will continue to improve and

your body will continue to work more properly. I'm very glad that

you have regained your health to such an extent. Keep going in that

direction, and as your needs change you may want to be prepared to

change your strategies also

Vince

> Dear Gang,

> I have late-stage Lyme 24 years with neurological and muscle

damage which

> put me in a wheelchair and on a walking frame in recent years. My

husband

> and I went on the Hallelujah diet over 3 years ago. Prior to the

diet I was

> eating what I thought was healthy. Free-range chicken & eggs,

deep sea

> fish, salmon, fruit, vegies, seeds, nuts, wholegrains, low-fat

yoghurt etc.

> I was still going rapidly down-hill.

> Prior to the Hallelujah diet (H.D.) I also had fibrocystic breast

disease.

> I believe this was pre-cancerous and I had to have it monitored

with

> mamograms etc. Since adopting the H.D. all my breast lumps are

gone. I was

> numb down my left side and had severe chronic migraine. I also

have bits of

> vision missing due to Lyme. Since the H.D. my numbnesss has

nearly all gone

> and my circulation is so much better. The migraines are now rare,

though I

> still have vision damage. I only use my wheelchair now for

distances and my

> walking frame sometimes. Hip-joint problems have gone!

> My husband Vic had shocking insomnia for over 12 years. Many

nights he only

> slept 1-2 hours and was demented from lack of sleep. With the

H.D. he now

> sleeps a good 6 hours at least. He had a P.S.A. reading of 4.4.

Since the

> H.D. his P.S.A. is 1.1. He was aneamic, despite taking iron tabs

and eating

> red meat etc. Three months after starting the H.D. his iron went

up to

> normal without supplements and has remained excellent. His

chronic leg

> cramps have gone since the H.D.

> There have been many other improvements on this diet. I would

hate to think

> how I would be if I had not got onto it when I did. As much as I

enjoy

> eating animal products, I never want to return to the state of ill

health

> they had contributed to.

> We get our Vitamin B 12 levels checked regularly. If anyone wants

to

> address this issue, Malkmus has written plenty on it and he

now

> recommends a B 12 supplement twice per week. He believes this is

safer than

> the associated risks from eating animals.

> As for Omega 3's, 6's & 9's, these can be obtained from flax seed

oil which

> also includes in the diet. This is readily available in

health food

> stores.

> In fact ALL the objections raised in this group have been

addressed honestly

> by for anyone to read.

> From what I read, eliminating animal products reduces your risk of

stroke

> and heart attack from 50% down to 4%. Countries where they don't

eat many

> animal products have a much lower incedence of gall stones, heart

disease,

> cancer, osteoporosis, PMS, etc, etc.

> Now, I am not going to argue with anyone. I can only state what

happened to

> me and what I believe to be true. Please do your own research.

> BTW, we don't even get colds or flus anymore, Hallelujah!

> Wishing you health,

> Rosemary.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <Tishri7@a...>

> <gallstones >

> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:44 AM

> Subject: Re: Re: The other side of the story!

>

>

> > This article is a jewel for anyone the slightest bit interested

in

> > learning more about the vegan/animal controversy. Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> > Vince,

> > That's only the tip of the iceburg. In the search field above at

> Mercola's

> > site, type in hallelujah diet and you'll pull up lots of stuff.

Another

> thing,

> > type in Omega 3. He has lots of stuff about getting our Omega

3s, which

> you

> > get a lot of them from free-range chicken & eggs, grass-fed beef

& bison,

> some

> > fish are okay, but many have become too toxic. If you don't get

your

> Omega

> > 3s, it's dangerous, and you can't get them from a strict vegan

diet. It's

> > impossible unless you take fish oil caps, but then it wouldn't

be a strict

> vegan

> > diet.

> >

> > Susie

>

[Guest guest]

very well said vince!!!!

>thrived on the animal products. Could it be that people are

>different, they have different problems, and their problems require

>different solutions? I think so. Please keep an open mind as time

>goes on. After your body gets stronger, it will not only be able to

>handle animal products, but it will need them. When will that be?

>I don't know. Hopefully your health will continue to improve and

>your body will continue to work more properly. I'm very glad that

>you have regained your health to such an extent. Keep going in that

>direction, and as your needs change you may want to be prepared to

>change your strategies also

>

>Vince

> >

>

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