Re: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

August 18, 2009

Do you have symptoms of sleep apena. It can cause you not to sleep well. That

happend to me.

Talk with your doctor. You may need to go through a sleep study. Have your T

levels checked. Also have your wife levels checked. If low TRT will help. :-)

LOL

Jack

>

> I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys testosterone. I

used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T symptoms.

Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep improve? From

what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

>

> When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I started

using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin being a

hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount. Is this

true?

>

> I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife, she's

postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

>

> Thanks

>

August 18, 2009

I don't think it matters which. Both are pretty bad. I used to go to bed after

1am routinely. My doctor begged me to get more sleep. Now I'm the biggest

proponent of sleep. It makes a BIG difference. Get 8 hours, starting no later

then 10pm. My friends laugh at me when they call me at 11pm and I don't answer.

But they can't keep up with me after 3pm. (I'm 50). Hey it's 10:00 pm. Good

night!

> >

> > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys testosterone.

I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T symptoms.

Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep improve? From

what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> >

> > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I started

using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin being a

hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount. Is this

true?

> >

> > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife, she's

postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

August 18, 2009

This just in:

Common Sleeping Disorder Ups Chances of Dying : Study Is the First to Quantify

Death Rates for Sleep Apnea, Especially in People Who Snore

BALTIMORE, Aug 17, 2009 (ASCRIBE NEWS via COMTEX) -- Nightly bouts of

interrupted, oxygen-deprived sleep from a collapsed airway in the upper neck

raises the chances of dying in middle-aged to elderly people by as much as 46

percent in the most severe cases, according to a landmark study on sleep apnea

by lung experts at s Hopkins and six other U.S. medical centers.

Even in people with moderate forms of the sleeping disorder, with anywhere from

15 to 30 episodes of interrupted breathing during each hour of supposed rest,

risk of death jumps 17 percent.

The ongoing study is believed to be the largest ever conducted into sleep and

related illnesses, with the latest report taking more than a decade to complete.

The study involves some 6,441 men and women between ages 40 and 70, with mild to

severe forms of sleep apnea or none at all. Many are self-described snorers;

snoring is a key symptom of sleep apnea.

Though anecdotal reports and medical record searches have long hinted at the

connection between sleep problems and death, especially from heart disease, the

latest study is the first to define death from sleep apnea by monitoring a large

number of people with or without the sleeping condition, including a high

proportion of snorers, to see who dies and who does not. Some 1,047 deaths

occurred among study participants since the clinical investigation began. It is

estimated that 24 percent of American men and 9percent of women have irregular

breathing patterns during sleep, with four in five unaware that they have a

problem.

As part of the so-called Sleep Heart Health Study, researchers at s Hopkins

Bayview Medical Center monitored study participants' sleep patterns at home for

at least one full night's sleep, which averaged about seven hours. More than 50

study technicians were needed to handle the nearly 10,000 detailed recordings of

participants' breathing patterns, heart rhythms and brain activity made to date.

About half of all participants had moderate to severe sleep apnea. They were

then tracked through annual clinic visits to gauge any sickness or death from

high blood pressure, heart disease or stroke.

Reporting it the Public Library of Science, Medicine online Aug. 18, researchers

found that as little as 11 minutes a night - just 2 percent of an average

night's sleep of seven hours - spent in severe sleep apnea and subsequent oxygen

deprivation, in which blood oxygen levels drop below 90 percent, doubled the

death rate in men.

Women in the study who died and had severe sleep apnea were too few for

researchers to draw a similar conclusion at this stage in the study, but

researchers suspect that further research will bear the same results.

" Our study results really raise concern about the potentially harmful effects of

sleep apnea, " says pulmonologist and study site principal investigator Naresh

Punjabi, M.D., Ph.D., an associate professor at the s Hopkins University

School of Medicine. He adds that low blood oxygen levels during sleep are " a

particularly worrisome sign, " citing the factor as the single biggest predictor

of death in people with sleeping disorders.

" Such an increased risk of death warrants screening for sleep apnea as part of

routine health care, in which all physicians should inquire about patients'

sleeping habits, including symptoms of feeling tired or drowsy during the

daytime, poor nighttime sleep quality, recurrent awakenings from sleep, and

reports from your bed partner that you snore loudly or intermittently stop

breathing during the night, " says Punjabi.

He says that given how widespread sleep apnea is, acquiring this information is

relatively easy and essential for medical scientists to identify which, if any,

particular treatments work at curing the illness by ultimately lowering the

number of chronic medical conditions and premature deaths caused by it.

Key among such treatments is use of overnight sleeping aids, such as the CPAP

(continuous positive airway pressure) device. The device, which resembles a

typical oxygen mask, is worn over the nose and connected by a thin tube to a

machine that forces air into the nasal passages, preventing the airways from

collapsing.

" Our goal is to achieve normal breathing patterns during sleep and maintain

blood oxygen levels as close to normal as possible, " says Punjabi, who points

out that the medical standard is to always maintain blood oxygen levels in the

range of 95 percent or above.

Punjabi says the study team's next steps are to separate causes of death due to

sleep apnea, in particular, defining the added risk from heart disease or

stroke.

Funding support for the study was provided by the National Heart, Lung and Blood

Institute, a member of the National Institutes of Health.

Besides Punjabi, other s Hopkins researchers involved in the study were

Caffo, Ph.D.; Philip , M.D.; Moyses Szkio, M.D., Ph.D.; and

Minotti. s Hopkins was also the data coordinating center for the Sleep Heart

Health Study, with additional research assistance provided by Marie Diener-West,

Ph.D.; Dodge; Michele Donithan, M.H.S.; Charlene Levine, B.S.; Curtis

Meinhart, Ph.D.; Min, M.H.S., M.P.H., Ph.D.; , B.S.;

Tibbs, B.S.; Tonascia, Ph.D.; , M.H.S.; and Jill Meinert.

Other study co-investigators involved in writing the report were Goodwin

and Eyal Shahar at the University of Arizona, Gottlieb and

O'Connor at Boston University, Anne Newman and Unruh at the University of

Pittsburgh, Rapaport at New York University, Redline at Case Western

Reserve University, Helaine Resnick at the American Association of Homes and

Services for the Aging, and Samet at the University of Southern

California.

For additional information, please go to:

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/pulmonary/faculty/division_faculty/punjab

i_nm.html

http://www.jhucct.com/shhs

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/browseIssue.action

- - - -

> > >

> > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys

testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T

symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep

improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > >

> > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I

started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin

being a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount.

Is this true?

> > >

> > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife, she's

postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

>

August 18, 2009

Ijust got my labs. my recent T level is 85,,, last time it was checked lat yer

it was 160. I have been seeing aurologist for alomst 2 yrs and no

treatments....WHY

Re: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

I don't think it matters which. Both are pretty bad. I used to go to bed

after 1am routinely. My doctor begged me to get more sleep. Now I'm the biggest

proponent of sleep. It makes a BIG difference. Get 8 hours, starting no later

then 10pm. My friends laugh at me when they call me at 11pm and I don't answer.

But they can't keep up with me after 3pm. (I'm 50). Hey it's 10:00 pm. Good

night!

> >

> > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys

testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T

symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep

improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> >

> > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I

started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin

being a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount.

Is this true?

> >

> > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife, she's

postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

August 18, 2009

2 years? TWO YEARS? Why? Becasue you allowed two years to elapse.

FIRE him. Find another doctor and tell him what you want. This one not only

can't hear, he can't read. I told my third doctor, I wanted my Total T levels in

the 700's and my bio-available at least 30% of that. I made him aware that he's

the third doctor I've seen and that I have my provider directory in my car. I

got T shots within the week.

There are hundreds of thousands of doctors out there. You may want this one, but

you don't NEED this one.

-Wilfred

> > >

> > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys

testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T

symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep

improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > >

> > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I

started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin

being a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount.

Is this true?

> > >

> > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife,

she's postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

>

August 18, 2009

I'd also suggest ( yeah I'm still awake) you ask, in writting for two YEARS of

co-pays be refunded or you'll sue for it.. And file a formal written complaint

with your insurance company and the medical board in your state for your lack of

treatment. Doctors need to start being afraid of not treating us and STOP being

afraid OF treating us.

-Wilfred

> > > >

> > > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys

testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T

symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep

improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > > >

> > > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I

started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin

being a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount.

Is this true?

> > > >

> > > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife,

she's postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> >

August 19, 2009

I've been to 3 doctors. I'm becoming savoy to this low T " game " , when it comes

to doctors. Maybe not just low T but when it comes to health issues in general

when dealing with doctors. There are a lot of bad doctors out there. Finding the

good one is the trick.

I forget who posted the Dr. Gordon info the other day, but I contacted him. He

emailed me back and is sending me an order to get a blood test done to move on

with getting better. I feel he's my best shot right now.

> > > >

> > > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys

testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T

symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep

improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > > >

> > > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I

started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin

being a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount.

Is this true?

> > > >

> > > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife,

she's postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> >

August 19, 2009

Yeah like I might get any where wit this. The insurance companies need to

brought down. They are one of the problems with doctors. The doctors work for

them, not for the patient.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys

testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T

symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep

improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I

started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin

being a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount.

Is this true?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife,

she's postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

August 19, 2009

Yes I guess I allowed 2 yrs to elapse but then my endocrin doctor knew even

before that....however I had NO idea of the importance of T in your bodu and

they made no big deal out of it nor infomred me of its importance/

Re: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

2 years? TWO YEARS? Why? Becasue you allowed two years to elapse.

FIRE him. Find another doctor and tell him what you want. This one not only

can't hear, he can't read. I told my third doctor, I wanted my Total T levels in

the 700's and my bio-available at least 30% of that. I made him aware that he's

the third doctor I've seen and that I have my provider directory in my car. I

got T shots within the week.

There are hundreds of thousands of doctors out there. You may want this one,

but you don't NEED this one.

-Wilfred

> > >

> > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys

testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T

symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep

improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > >

> > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I

started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin

being a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount.

Is this true?

> > >

> > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife,

she's postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

>

August 19, 2009

I don't feel it's the low Testosterone in men it can well be your suffering from

Adrenal Fatigue and Thyroid Problems a lot of us have this with low

Testosterone. You need to check this with low adrenals you don't make enough

Cortisol your Adrenals are over worked do to the stress in your life one being

low Testosterone. When your levels are low your body makes other hormones that

keep you up. Read this cut and paste from this link.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

=========================================================================

Adrenal insufficiency is linked to insomnia in two ways.

1) If your cortisol drops too low during the night your blood sugar drops too.

Your body compensate by releasing adrenaline as an emergency measure to mobilize

more sugar. This has the effect of waking you in an instant. This can be reduced

by eating high protein snack before retiring e.g. sardines, nuts of high quality

protein shake.

2) In early stages of adrenal fatigue cortisol levels tend to rise and if they

are high at midnight they can energise you and keep you awake. Phosphorylated

serine can be used to lower cortisol at these times due to its ACTH dampening

effect.

==========================================================================

Also your Estradiol can be to high this will keep you up with feelings of panic

it gave me panic attacks in the middle of the night.

Do a morning fasting Cortisol test and if your levels are below 15 do a 4x's in

a day Saliva test as talked about in the link.

As for your wife she needs to find a Dr. that use's Compounded Natural

Bioidentical Hormones they test her find out what she is low on and had them

Compounded to meet her needs.

Most women can't sleep because of many low hormones and yes one is Testosterone.

The old HRT for women is not safe they cause breast cancer.

http://www.power-surge.com/educate/yourhormones.htm

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:54 PM

> I've seen a lot of things that say

> lack of sleep lowers a guys testosterone. I used to sleep

> like a baby before I started noticing the low T symptoms.

> Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my

> sleep improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff

> happens at night.

>

> When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not

> sleep, I started using melatonin. It seemed to help

> somewhat. Then I read that melatonin being a hormone that is

> produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount. Is

> this true?

>

> I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would

> my wife, she's postmenopause. I've read that some

> testosterone might do her good.

>

> Thanks

>

> ------------------------------------

>

August 19, 2009

Dam good point I shut my phone off and go to bed at 10 pm and get up at 8am

doing this is dam good for your body it dose most of it's healing at night when

your sleeping and is great for keeping your Adrenals healthy.

Also get exercise and eat good.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 10:02 PM

> I don't think it matters which. Both

> are pretty bad. I used to go to bed after 1am routinely. My

> doctor begged me to get more sleep. Now I'm the biggest

> proponent of sleep. It makes a BIG difference. Get 8 hours,

> starting no later then 10pm. My friends laugh at me when

> they call me at 11pm and I don't answer. But they can't keep

> up with me after 3pm. (I'm 50). Hey it's 10:00 pm. Good

> night!

>

> > >

> > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep

> lowers a guys testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby

> before I started noticing the low T symptoms. Eventually,

> after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep improve?

> From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at

> night.

> > >

> > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and

> starting to not sleep, I started using melatonin. It seemed

> to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin being a hormone

> that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high

> amount. Is this true?

> > >

> > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep.

> So would my wife, she's postmenopause. I've read that some

> testosterone might do her good.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

August 19, 2009

Both my wife and self were told we have sleep apnea and my BCBS pays for the

machine you need to use to sleep. But one thing they don't tell you is if you

take something to help you sleep like Xanax or the other sleep aids this make

you stop breathing in your sleep. Did you ever notice when you drink to much

you snore not a lumber jack. Also if you sleep on your back this will happen

it's not good to sleep on your back. Both my wife and my self could not ware

this dam mask and would end up with less sleep then not using it. Now this dose

not happen to everyone but most. We both lost weight and this stopped my wife

stopped taking sleep aids and this helped stop the apnea.

And like Reto says snore and tennis ball in the back of your T-Shirt so you

can't sleep on your back and ware a noise strip this helps.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 10:05 PM

> This just in:

>

> Common Sleeping Disorder Ups Chances of Dying : Study Is

> the First to Quantify Death Rates for Sleep Apnea,

> Especially in People Who Snore

>

> BALTIMORE, Aug 17, 2009 (ASCRIBE NEWS via COMTEX) --

> Nightly bouts of interrupted, oxygen-deprived sleep from a

> collapsed airway in the upper neck raises the chances of

> dying in middle-aged to elderly people by as much as 46

> percent in the most severe cases, according to a landmark

> study on sleep apnea by lung experts at s Hopkins and

> six other U.S. medical centers.

>

> Even in people with moderate forms of the sleeping

> disorder, with anywhere from 15 to 30 episodes of

> interrupted breathing during each hour of supposed rest,

> risk of death jumps 17 percent.

>

> The ongoing study is believed to be the largest ever

> conducted into sleep and related illnesses, with the latest

> report taking more than a decade to complete. The study

> involves some 6,441 men and women between ages 40 and 70,

> with mild to severe forms of sleep apnea or none at all.

> Many are self-described snorers; snoring is a key symptom of

> sleep apnea.

>

> Though anecdotal reports and medical record searches have

> long hinted at the connection between sleep problems and

> death, especially from heart disease, the latest study is

> the first to define death from sleep apnea by monitoring a

> large number of people with or without the sleeping

> condition, including a high proportion of snorers, to see

> who dies and who does not. Some 1,047 deaths occurred among

> study participants since the clinical investigation began.

> It is estimated that 24 percent of American men and 9percent

> of women have irregular breathing patterns during sleep,

> with four in five unaware that they have a problem.

>

> As part of the so-called Sleep Heart Health Study,

> researchers at s Hopkins Bayview Medical Center

> monitored study participants' sleep patterns at home for at

> least one full night's sleep, which averaged about seven

> hours. More than 50 study technicians were needed to handle

> the nearly 10,000 detailed recordings of participants'

> breathing patterns, heart rhythms and brain activity made to

> date. About half of all participants had moderate to severe

> sleep apnea. They were then tracked through annual clinic

> visits to gauge any sickness or death from high blood

> pressure, heart disease or stroke.

>

> Reporting it the Public Library of Science, Medicine online

> Aug. 18, researchers found that as little as 11 minutes a

> night - just 2 percent of an average night's sleep of seven

> hours - spent in severe sleep apnea and subsequent oxygen

> deprivation, in which blood oxygen levels drop below 90

> percent, doubled the death rate in men.

>

> Women in the study who died and had severe sleep apnea were

> too few for researchers to draw a similar conclusion at this

> stage in the study, but researchers suspect that further

> research will bear the same results.

>

> " Our study results really raise concern about the

> potentially harmful effects of sleep apnea, " says

> pulmonologist and study site principal investigator Naresh

> Punjabi, M.D., Ph.D., an associate professor at the s

> Hopkins University School of Medicine. He adds that low

> blood oxygen levels during sleep are " a particularly

> worrisome sign, " citing the factor as the single biggest

> predictor of death in people with sleeping disorders.

>

> " Such an increased risk of death warrants screening for

> sleep apnea as part of routine health care, in which all

> physicians should inquire about patients' sleeping habits,

> including symptoms of feeling tired or drowsy during the

> daytime, poor nighttime sleep quality, recurrent awakenings

> from sleep, and reports from your bed partner that you snore

> loudly or intermittently stop breathing during the night, "

> says Punjabi.

>

> He says that given how widespread sleep apnea is, acquiring

> this information is relatively easy and essential for

> medical scientists to identify which, if any, particular

> treatments work at curing the illness by ultimately lowering

> the number of chronic medical conditions and premature

> deaths caused by it.

>

> Key among such treatments is use of overnight sleeping

> aids, such as the CPAP (continuous positive airway pressure)

> device. The device, which resembles a typical oxygen mask,

> is worn over the nose and connected by a thin tube to a

> machine that forces air into the nasal passages, preventing

> the airways from collapsing.

>

> " Our goal is to achieve normal breathing patterns during

> sleep and maintain blood oxygen levels as close to normal as

> possible, " says Punjabi, who points out that the medical

> standard is to always maintain blood oxygen levels in the

> range of 95 percent or above.

>

> Punjabi says the study team's next steps are to separate

> causes of death due to sleep apnea, in particular, defining

> the added risk from heart disease or stroke.

>

> Funding support for the study was provided by the National

> Heart, Lung and Blood Institute, a member of the National

> Institutes of Health.

>

> Besides Punjabi, other s Hopkins researchers involved

> in the study were Caffo, Ph.D.; Philip , M.D.;

> Moyses Szkio, M.D., Ph.D.; and Minotti. s

> Hopkins was also the data coordinating center for the Sleep

> Heart Health Study, with additional research assistance

> provided by Marie Diener-West, Ph.D.; Dodge; Michele

> Donithan, M.H.S.; Charlene Levine, B.S.; Curtis Meinhart,

> Ph.D.; Min, M.H.S., M.P.H., Ph.D.; ,

> B.S.; Tibbs, B.S.; Tonascia, Ph.D.;

> , M.H.S.; and Jill Meinert.

>

> Other study co-investigators involved in writing the report

> were Goodwin and Eyal Shahar at the University of

> Arizona, Gottlieb and O'Connor at Boston

> University, Anne Newman and Unruh at the University of

> Pittsburgh, Rapaport at New York University,

> Redline at Case Western Reserve University, Helaine Resnick

> at the American Association of Homes and Services for the

> Aging, and Samet at the University of Southern

> California.

>

> For additional information, please go to:

>

> http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/pulmonary/faculty/division_faculty/punjab

> i_nm.html

>

> http://www.jhucct.com/shhs

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/browseIssue.action

>

> - - - -

>

> > > >

> > > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of

> sleep lowers a guys testosterone. I used to sleep like a

> baby before I started noticing the low T symptoms.

> Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my

> sleep improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff

> happens at night.

> > > >

> > > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and

> starting to not sleep, I started using melatonin. It seemed

> to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin being a hormone

> that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high

> amount. Is this true?

> > > >

> > > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights

> sleep. So would my wife, she's postmenopause. I've read that

> some testosterone might do her good.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

August 19, 2009

Jim what are the ranges and units on your labs it's very hard for us to tell

what's going on with out them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Jim B <j-buscemi@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 10:07 PM

> Ijust got my labs. my recent T level

> is 85,,, last time it was checked lat yer it was 160. I have

> been seeing aurologist for alomst 2 yrs and no

> treatments....WHY

> Re: lack of sleep or low T,

> which came first

>

> I don't think it matters which. Both are

> pretty bad. I used to go to bed after 1am routinely. My

> doctor begged me to get more sleep. Now I'm the biggest

> proponent of sleep. It makes a BIG difference. Get 8 hours,

> starting no later then 10pm. My friends laugh at me when

> they call me at 11pm and I don't answer. But they can't keep

> up with me after 3pm. (I'm 50). Hey it's 10:00 pm. Good

> night!

>

> > >

> > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of

> sleep lowers a guys testosterone. I used to sleep like a

> baby before I started noticing the low T symptoms.

> Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my

> sleep improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff

> happens at night.

> > >

> > > When I started noticing the low T stuff

> and starting to not sleep, I started using melatonin. It

> seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin being a

> hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a

> high amount. Is this true?

> > >

> > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights

> sleep. So would my wife, she's postmenopause. I've read that

> some testosterone might do her good.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

>

August 19, 2009

Don't waste your time I did been there done that you can't sue a Dr. for not

treating low Testosterone and the insurance companys don't listen to you they

pay the Dr. Don't put your self through this stress just find a better Dr. tell

us where you live and go to the Files section and read " Finding a Male Hormone

Dr. " Start calling them before you see them ask how many men the Dr. treats and

if he tests for why your low and if he tests and treats for high levels of

Estradiol with Arimidex. If yes you have a good chance of a better DR.

Here at the home page we have a links and files section and a Database section

with the Dr.'s the men here see. Go there read and bone up about low

Testosterone so when you do see a Dr. you will know if he is any good.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 11:47 PM

> I'd also suggest ( yeah I'm still

> awake) you ask, in writting for two YEARS of co-pays be

> refunded or you'll sue for it.. And file a formal written

> complaint with your insurance company and the medical board

> in your state for your lack of treatment. Doctors need to

> start being afraid of not treating us and STOP being afraid

> OF treating us.

>

> -Wilfred

>

> > > > >

> > > > > I've seen a lot of

> things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys testosterone. I

> used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low

> T symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared

> away, will my sleep improve? From what I've read, complex

> hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I started

> noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I

> started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I

> read that melatonin being a hormone that is produced is not

> good for testosterone in a high amount. Is this true?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd give almost

> anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife, she's

> postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her

> good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

August 19, 2009

I did he is great but you need to be sure he is testing your Estradiol levels if

not press him to do this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 5:10 AM

> I've been to 3 doctors. I'm becoming

> savoy to this low T " game " , when it comes to doctors. Maybe

> not just low T but when it comes to health issues in general

> when dealing with doctors. There are a lot of bad doctors

> out there. Finding the good one is the trick.

>

> I forget who posted the Dr. Gordon info the other day, but

> I contacted him. He emailed me back and is sending me an

> order to get a blood test done to move on with getting

> better. I feel he's my best shot right now.

>

> > > > >

> > > > > I've seen a lot of

> things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys testosterone. I

> used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low

> T symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared

> away, will my sleep improve? From what I've read, complex

> hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I started

> noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I

> started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I

> read that melatonin being a hormone that is produced is not

> good for testosterone in a high amount. Is this true?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd give almost

> anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife, she's

> postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her

> good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

August 19, 2009

That my friend is the problems with seeing an Endo they are just not good Dr.'s

for low Testosterone and for some reasion most Dr.'s thing they are.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Jim B <j-buscemi@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 6:29 AM

> Yes I guess I allowed 2 yrs to elapse

> but then my endocrin doctor knew even before that....however

> I had NO idea of the importance of T in your bodu and they

> made no big deal out of it nor infomred me of its

> importance/

> Re: lack of sleep or low T,

> which came first

>

> 2 years? TWO YEARS? Why? Becasue you allowed

> two years to elapse.

> FIRE him. Find another doctor and tell him what you

> want. This one not only can't hear, he can't read. I told my

> third doctor, I wanted my Total T levels in the 700's and my

> bio-available at least 30% of that. I made him aware that

> he's the third doctor I've seen and that I have my provider

> directory in my car. I got T shots within the week.

> There are hundreds of thousands of doctors out

> there. You may want this one, but you don't NEED this one.

>

> -Wilfred

>

> > > >

> > > > I've seen a lot of things that say

> lack of sleep lowers a guys testosterone. I used to sleep

> like a baby before I started noticing the low T symptoms.

> Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my

> sleep improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff

> happens at night.

> > > >

> > > > When I started noticing the low T

> stuff and starting to not sleep, I started using melatonin.

> It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin being

> a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a

> high amount. Is this true?

> > > >

> > > > I'd give almost anything for a good

> nights sleep. So would my wife, she's postmenopause. I've

> read that some testosterone might do her good.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

August 19, 2009

Lately I've been having a lot of problems with HYPOglycemia during the day. I

wonder if it could be from adrenal fatique or thyroid problems.

>

> > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> > Subject: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:54 PM

> > I've seen a lot of things that say

> > lack of sleep lowers a guys testosterone. I used to sleep

> > like a baby before I started noticing the low T symptoms.

> > Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my

> > sleep improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff

> > happens at night.

> >

> > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not

> > sleep, I started using melatonin. It seemed to help

> > somewhat. Then I read that melatonin being a hormone that is

> > produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount. Is

> > this true?

> >

> > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would

> > my wife, she's postmenopause. I've read that some

> > testosterone might do her good.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

August 19, 2009

Well losing weight a lot of times will help the sleep apnea. As for the mask,

the best way to get used to using it, is to use it while you are awake and

watching tv or something. Put it on for like 5-10 minutes, then take it off and

then keep it on longer. You will get used to it. It does take getting used to,

but you will be able to sleep on your back just fine with used of the machine.

WHeni first got mine, I thought I couldnt breath, but it was just my mind

playing tricks on me cause i wasnt used to it. Once i got use to it, its great.

I used to use the Ramp up ont he machine, now i just turn in on full and slap

the mask on.

Re: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 10:05 PM

> This just in:

>

> Common Sleeping Disorder Ups Chances of Dying : Study Is

> the First to Quantify Death Rates for Sleep Apnea,

> Especially in People Who Snore

>

> BALTIMORE, Aug 17, 2009 (ASCRIBE NEWS via COMTEX) --

> Nightly bouts of interrupted, oxygen-deprived sleep from a

> collapsed airway in the upper neck raises the chances of

> dying in middle-aged to elderly people by as much as 46

> percent in the most severe cases, according to a landmark

> study on sleep apnea by lung experts at s Hopkins and

> six other U.S. medical centers.

>

> Even in people with moderate forms of the sleeping

> disorder, with anywhere from 15 to 30 episodes of

> interrupted breathing during each hour of supposed rest,

> risk of death jumps 17 percent.

>

> The ongoing study is believed to be the largest ever

> conducted into sleep and related illnesses, with the latest

> report taking more than a decade to complete. The study

> involves some 6,441 men and women between ages 40 and 70,

> with mild to severe forms of sleep apnea or none at all.

> Many are self-described snorers; snoring is a key symptom of

> sleep apnea.

>

> Though anecdotal reports and medical record searches have

> long hinted at the connection between sleep problems and

> death, especially from heart disease, the latest study is

> the first to define death from sleep apnea by monitoring a

> large number of people with or without the sleeping

> condition, including a high proportion of snorers, to see

> who dies and who does not. Some 1,047 deaths occurred among

> study participants since the clinical investigation began.

> It is estimated that 24 percent of American men and 9percent

> of women have irregular breathing patterns during sleep,

> with four in five unaware that they have a problem.

>

> As part of the so-called Sleep Heart Health Study,

> researchers at s Hopkins Bayview Medical Center

> monitored study participants' sleep patterns at home for at

> least one full night's sleep, which averaged about seven

> hours. More than 50 study technicians were needed to handle

> the nearly 10,000 detailed recordings of participants'

> breathing patterns, heart rhythms and brain activity made to

> date. About half of all participants had moderate to severe

> sleep apnea. They were then tracked through annual clinic

> visits to gauge any sickness or death from high blood

> pressure, heart disease or stroke.

>

> Reporting it the Public Library of Science, Medicine online

> Aug. 18, researchers found that as little as 11 minutes a

> night - just 2 percent of an average night's sleep of seven

> hours - spent in severe sleep apnea and subsequent oxygen

> deprivation, in which blood oxygen levels drop below 90

> percent, doubled the death rate in men.

>

> Women in the study who died and had severe sleep apnea were

> too few for researchers to draw a similar conclusion at this

> stage in the study, but researchers suspect that further

> research will bear the same results.

>

> " Our study results really raise concern about the

> potentially harmful effects of sleep apnea, " says

> pulmonologist and study site principal investigator Naresh

> Punjabi, M.D., Ph.D., an associate professor at the s

> Hopkins University School of Medicine. He adds that low

> blood oxygen levels during sleep are " a particularly

> worrisome sign, " citing the factor as the single biggest

> predictor of death in people with sleeping disorders.

>

> " Such an increased risk of death warrants screening for

> sleep apnea as part of routine health care, in which all

> physicians should inquire about patients' sleeping habits,

> including symptoms of feeling tired or drowsy during the

> daytime, poor nighttime sleep quality, recurrent awakenings

> from sleep, and reports from your bed partner that you snore

> loudly or intermittently stop breathing during the night, "

> says Punjabi.

>

> He says that given how widespread sleep apnea is, acquiring

> this information is relatively easy and essential for

> medical scientists to identify which, if any, particular

> treatments work at curing the illness by ultimately lowering

> the number of chronic medical conditions and premature

> deaths caused by it.

>

> Key among such treatments is use of overnight sleeping

> aids, such as the CPAP (continuous positive airway pressure)

> device. The device, which resembles a typical oxygen mask,

> is worn over the nose and connected by a thin tube to a

> machine that forces air into the nasal passages, preventing

> the airways from collapsing.

>

> " Our goal is to achieve normal breathing patterns during

> sleep and maintain blood oxygen levels as close to normal as

> possible, " says Punjabi, who points out that the medical

> standard is to always maintain blood oxygen levels in the

> range of 95 percent or above.

>

> Punjabi says the study team's next steps are to separate

> causes of death due to sleep apnea, in particular, defining

> the added risk from heart disease or stroke.

>

> Funding support for the study was provided by the National

> Heart, Lung and Blood Institute, a member of the National

> Institutes of Health.

>

> Besides Punjabi, other s Hopkins researchers involved

> in the study were Caffo, Ph.D.; Philip , M.D.;

> Moyses Szkio, M.D., Ph.D.; and Minotti. s

> Hopkins was also the data coordinating center for the Sleep

> Heart Health Study, with additional research assistance

> provided by Marie Diener-West, Ph.D.; Dodge; Michele

> Donithan, M.H.S.; Charlene Levine, B.S.; Curtis Meinhart,

> Ph.D.; Min, M.H.S., M.P.H., Ph.D.; ,

> B.S.; Tibbs, B.S.; Tonascia, Ph.D.;

> , M.H.S.; and Jill Meinert.

>

> Other study co-investigators involved in writing the report

> were Goodwin and Eyal Shahar at the University of

> Arizona, Gottlieb and O'Connor at Boston

> University, Anne Newman and Unruh at the University of

> Pittsburgh, Rapaport at New York University,

> Redline at Case Western Reserve University, Helaine Resnick

> at the American Association of Homes and Services for the

> Aging, and Samet at the University of Southern

> California.

>

> For additional information, please go to:

>

> http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/pulmonary/faculty/division_faculty/punjab

> i_nm.html

>

> http://www.jhucct.com/shhs

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/browseIssue.action

>

> - - - -

>

> > > >

> > > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of

> sleep lowers a guys testosterone. I used to sleep like a

> baby before I started noticing the low T symptoms.

> Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my

> sleep improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff

> happens at night.

> > > >

> > > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and

> starting to not sleep, I started using melatonin. It seemed

> to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin being a hormone

> that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high

> amount. Is this true?

> > > >

> > > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights

> sleep. So would my wife, she's postmenopause. I've read that

> some testosterone might do her good.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

August 19, 2009

I feel it has better to be safe and have this checked but most Dr.'s are not up

on this eather just like they are not up on low T.

Here is a FAQ's I helped make about this at this link it's the top link the rest

are very good to.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=256

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: lack of sleep or low T, which came first

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 9:47 AM

> Lately I've been having a lot of

> problems with HYPOglycemia during the day. I wonder if it

> could be from adrenal fatique or thyroid problems.

>

> >

> > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> > > Subject: lack of sleep or low T,

> which came first

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:54 PM

> > > I've seen a lot of things that say

> > > lack of sleep lowers a guys testosterone. I used

> to sleep

> > > like a baby before I started noticing the low T

> symptoms.

> > > Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away,

> will my

> > > sleep improve? From what I've read, complex

> hormonal stuff

> > > happens at night.

> > >

> > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and

> starting to not

> > > sleep, I started using melatonin. It seemed to

> help

> > > somewhat. Then I read that melatonin being a

> hormone that is

> > > produced is not good for testosterone in a high

> amount. Is

> > > this true?

> > >

> > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep.

> So would

> > > my wife, she's postmenopause. I've read that

> some

> > > testosterone might do her good.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

August 19, 2009

Good advice but we did all this and even when I was out cold in the Hosp. from

heart sugary they used this to help me breathe and even when I was out cold I

would rip the mask off they have to put a tube down my throat to help me breathe

the kept me out using a drip like M died from.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> > Subject: Re: lack of sleep or

> low T, which came first

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 10:05 PM

> > This just in:

> >

> > Common Sleeping Disorder Ups Chances of Dying :

> Study Is

> > the First to Quantify Death Rates for Sleep

> Apnea,

> > Especially in People Who Snore

> >

> > BALTIMORE, Aug 17, 2009 (ASCRIBE NEWS via

> COMTEX) --

> > Nightly bouts of interrupted, oxygen-deprived

> sleep from a

> > collapsed airway in the upper neck raises the

> chances of

> > dying in middle-aged to elderly people by as

> much as 46

> > percent in the most severe cases, according to

> a landmark

> > study on sleep apnea by lung experts at s

> Hopkins and

> > six other U.S. medical centers.

> >

> > Even in people with moderate forms of the

> sleeping

> > disorder, with anywhere from 15 to 30 episodes

> of

> > interrupted breathing during each hour of

> supposed rest,

> > risk of death jumps 17 percent.

> >

> > The ongoing study is believed to be the largest

> ever

> > conducted into sleep and related illnesses,

> with the latest

> > report taking more than a decade to complete.

> The study

> > involves some 6,441 men and women between ages

> 40 and 70,

> > with mild to severe forms of sleep apnea or

> none at all.

> > Many are self-described snorers; snoring is a

> key symptom of

> > sleep apnea.

> >

> > Though anecdotal reports and medical record

> searches have

> > long hinted at the connection between sleep

> problems and

> > death, especially from heart disease, the

> latest study is

> > the first to define death from sleep apnea by

> monitoring a

> > large number of people with or without the

> sleeping

> > condition, including a high proportion of

> snorers, to see

> > who dies and who does not. Some 1,047 deaths

> occurred among

> > study participants since the clinical

> investigation began.

> > It is estimated that 24 percent of American men

> and 9percent

> > of women have irregular breathing patterns

> during sleep,

> > with four in five unaware that they have a

> problem.

> >

> > As part of the so-called Sleep Heart Health

> Study,

> > researchers at s Hopkins Bayview Medical

> Center

> > monitored study participants' sleep patterns at

> home for at

> > least one full night's sleep, which averaged

> about seven

> > hours. More than 50 study technicians were

> needed to handle

> > the nearly 10,000 detailed recordings of

> participants'

> > breathing patterns, heart rhythms and brain

> activity made to

> > date. About half of all participants had

> moderate to severe

> > sleep apnea. They were then tracked through

> annual clinic

> > visits to gauge any sickness or death from high

> blood

> > pressure, heart disease or stroke.

> >

> > Reporting it the Public Library of Science,

> Medicine online

> > Aug. 18, researchers found that as little as 11

> minutes a

> > night - just 2 percent of an average night's

> sleep of seven

> > hours - spent in severe sleep apnea and

> subsequent oxygen

> > deprivation, in which blood oxygen levels drop

> below 90

> > percent, doubled the death rate in men.

> >

> > Women in the study who died and had severe

> sleep apnea were

> > too few for researchers to draw a similar

> conclusion at this

> > stage in the study, but researchers suspect

> that further

> > research will bear the same results.

> >

> > " Our study results really raise concern about

> the

> > potentially harmful effects of sleep apnea, "

> says

> > pulmonologist and study site principal

> investigator Naresh

> > Punjabi, M.D., Ph.D., an associate professor at

> the s

> > Hopkins University School of Medicine. He adds

> that low

> > blood oxygen levels during sleep are " a

> particularly

> > worrisome sign, " citing the factor as the

> single biggest

> > predictor of death in people with sleeping

> disorders.

> >

> > " Such an increased risk of death warrants

> screening for

> > sleep apnea as part of routine health care, in

> which all

> > physicians should inquire about patients'

> sleeping habits,

> > including symptoms of feeling tired or drowsy

> during the

> > daytime, poor nighttime sleep quality,

> recurrent awakenings

> > from sleep, and reports from your bed partner

> that you snore

> > loudly or intermittently stop breathing during

> the night, "

> > says Punjabi.

> >

> > He says that given how widespread sleep apnea

> is, acquiring

> > this information is relatively easy and

> essential for

> > medical scientists to identify which, if any,

> particular

> > treatments work at curing the illness by

> ultimately lowering

> > the number of chronic medical conditions and

> premature

> > deaths caused by it.

> >

> > Key among such treatments is use of overnight

> sleeping

> > aids, such as the CPAP (continuous positive

> airway pressure)

> > device. The device, which resembles a typical

> oxygen mask,

> > is worn over the nose and connected by a thin

> tube to a

> > machine that forces air into the nasal

> passages, preventing

> > the airways from collapsing.

> >

> > " Our goal is to achieve normal breathing

> patterns during

> > sleep and maintain blood oxygen levels as close

> to normal as

> > possible, " says Punjabi, who points out that

> the medical

> > standard is to always maintain blood oxygen

> levels in the

> > range of 95 percent or above.

> >

> > Punjabi says the study team's next steps are to

> separate

> > causes of death due to sleep apnea, in

> particular, defining

> > the added risk from heart disease or stroke.

> >

> > Funding support for the study was provided by

> the National

> > Heart, Lung and Blood Institute, a member of

> the National

> > Institutes of Health.

> >

> > Besides Punjabi, other s Hopkins

> researchers involved

> > in the study were Caffo, Ph.D.; Philip

> , M.D.;

> > Moyses Szkio, M.D., Ph.D.; and Minotti.

> s

> > Hopkins was also the data coordinating center

> for the Sleep

> > Heart Health Study, with additional research

> assistance

> > provided by Marie Diener-West, Ph.D.;

> Dodge; Michele

> > Donithan, M.H.S.; Charlene Levine, B.S.; Curtis

> Meinhart,

> > Ph.D.; Min, M.H.S., M.P.H., Ph.D.;

> ,

> > B.S.; Tibbs, B.S.; Tonascia,

> Ph.D.;

> > , M.H.S.; and Jill Meinert.

> >

> > Other study co-investigators involved in

> writing the report

> > were Goodwin and Eyal Shahar at the

> University of

> > Arizona, Gottlieb and O'Connor at

> Boston

> > University, Anne Newman and Unruh at the

> University of

> > Pittsburgh, Rapaport at New York

> University,

> > Redline at Case Western Reserve University,

> Helaine Resnick

> > at the American Association of Homes and

> Services for the

> > Aging, and Samet at the University of

> Southern

> > California.

> >

> > For additional information, please go to:

> >

> > http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/pulmonary/faculty/division_faculty/punjab

> > i_nm.html

> >

> > http://www.jhucct.com/shhs

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/browseIssue.action

> >

> > - - - -

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > I've seen a lot of things that

> say lack of

> > sleep lowers a guys testosterone. I used to

> sleep like a

> > baby before I started noticing the low T

> symptoms.

> > Eventually, after I get my hormones squared

> away, will my

> > sleep improve? From what I've read, complex

> hormonal stuff

> > happens at night.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I started noticing the low

> T stuff and

> > starting to not sleep, I started using

> melatonin. It seemed

> > to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin

> being a hormone

> > that is produced is not good for testosterone

> in a high

> > amount. Is this true?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd give almost anything for a

> good nights

> > sleep. So would my wife, she's postmenopause.

> I've read that

> > some testosterone might do her good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

August 19, 2009

Sorry I was a bit harsh. I went thru the same crap, as it seems like almost

everyone did.

> > > >

> > > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys

testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T

symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep

improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > > >

> > > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I

started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin

being a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount.

Is this true?

> > > >

> > > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife,

she's postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> >

August 19, 2009

No problem. How can the word get out to the docs about low T and HRT? I will be

seeing my primary doc next week. He didn't want to be bothered with my low T

symptoms, but he did say I should see an endo to get it checked out. I am going

to give him Dr. Gordon's website address. Maybe he will check it out. I'll pitch

it to him something like " info if he ever has problems with his T levels " . I

think he'll go for that. The word has to get out.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys

testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T

symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep

improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep, I

started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that melatonin

being a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a high amount.

Is this true?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my wife,

she's postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

August 19, 2009

It's up to us to get the word out. If your doctor doesn't want to be bothered

with it, FIND A NEW DOCTOR. Request all your records be moved to your new doctor

and let him know why. We are in pain, and these useless doctors aren't

experiencing any downside to not treating us. That needs to change. What is the

purpose of seeing your primary doctor if he " doesn't want to be bothered with

your low T " .

Save the co-pay and buy yourself a movie and popcorn.

-Wilfred

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys

testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T

symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep

improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not sleep,

I started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that

melatonin being a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a

high amount. Is this true?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my

wife, she's postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

August 19, 2009

I can't find a primary doctor that can treat low T. I anticipate seeing Dr.

Gordon. He is sending an order for a blood test. Primary docs. are only good for

cholesterol or things like that. They're robots. most can't think outside the

box. The blinders are on.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've seen a lot of things that say lack of sleep lowers a guys

testosterone. I used to sleep like a baby before I started noticing the low T

symptoms. Eventually, after I get my hormones squared away, will my sleep

improve? From what I've read, complex hormonal stuff happens at night.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I started noticing the low T stuff and starting to not

sleep, I started using melatonin. It seemed to help somewhat. Then I read that

melatonin being a hormone that is produced is not good for testosterone in a

high amount. Is this true?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'd give almost anything for a good nights sleep. So would my

wife, she's postmenopause. I've read that some testosterone might do her good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

August 19, 2009

I don't know which came first, but I do know that when I started on testosterone

I began to sleep soundly for the first time in my life. I'd always been a light

sleeper, but when my T is balanced, I sleep deep and long.

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