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I am not sure about his test for E was this test a Estradiol test and the range

is 13 to 54 pg/ml if so his levels are now to low. I don't remember if he is

taking something to lower his Estradiol if he is stop taking it until how wood

comes back strong then go back on what he was taking but take less of it. I

take Arimdex a 1/4 of a one mg. pill .25mgs I cut it in half with a pill cutter

then stand the half on end and cut it in half with a single edge razor blade. I

do good taking .25 mgs every 2 to 3 days most of the time I do it every 2 days

but when wood stops I stop taking this until the wood comes back then I go back

on this but take it every 3 days. Estradiol levels never stay the same read

this link Steve put on the forum this morning.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Ag\

ing-Male_01.htm

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> From: Whitfield <starlightvisions@...>

> Subject: Dads blood work

>

> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 11:52 AM

> Well my dad seen Dr and he is 81

> years old. Please tell me what you 

> think of his blood work. He is on 700mg pellets implanted 5

> weeks ago. 

> These are his peak leves

>

> Total T 1215 - 5 weeks ago it was 475

> Free T 28.5 - 5 weeks ago it was 0.8

> DHEA-S - 206

> E- 7 was 30

>

>

> He has sexual desire but does not have cut to much wood in

> the morning 

> (as he would say) He said its not everyday.

>

> So what do you guys think?

>

>

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God bless dad. I'm 49 with TT level of 388.I've been told that my T level is ok.

Your dad's 81 and had a level of 475. Somethings wrong here.

>

> Well my dad seen Dr and he is 81 years old. Please tell me what you

> think of his blood work. He is on 700mg pellets implanted 5 weeks ago.

> These are his peak leves

>

> Total T 1215 - 5 weeks ago it was 475

> Free T 28.5 - 5 weeks ago it was 0.8

> DHEA-S - 206

> E- 7 was 30

>

>

> He has sexual desire but does not have cut to much wood in the morning

> (as he would say) He said its not everyday.

>

> So what do you guys think?

>

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Just curious. Do you have sleep apnea? My urologist said that they sound that

guys with apnea have lower testosterone levels and when they get on CPAP or have

the apnea corrected, it raises their T levels. You are low normal but for 49

388 is just freaking low. It should be treated IMHO.

Joe

> >

> > Well my dad seen Dr and he is 81 years old. Please tell me what you

> > think of his blood work. He is on 700mg pellets implanted 5 weeks ago.

> > These are his peak leves

> >

> > Total T 1215 - 5 weeks ago it was 475

> > Free T 28.5 - 5 weeks ago it was 0.8

> > DHEA-S - 206

> > E- 7 was 30

> >

> >

> > He has sexual desire but does not have cut to much wood in the morning

> > (as he would say) He said its not everyday.

> >

> > So what do you guys think?

> >

>

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Joe

I had sleep apnea and low testosterone. Having the sleep atnea treated (surgery)

did not help the low testosterone.

Jack

> > >

> > > Well my dad seen Dr and he is 81 years old. Please tell me what you

> > > think of his blood work. He is on 700mg pellets implanted 5 weeks ago.

> > > These are his peak leves

> > >

> > > Total T 1215 - 5 weeks ago it was 475

> > > Free T 28.5 - 5 weeks ago it was 0.8

> > > DHEA-S - 206

> > > E- 7 was 30

> > >

> > >

> > > He has sexual desire but does not have cut to much wood in the morning

> > > (as he would say) He said its not everyday.

> > >

> > > So what do you guys think?

> > >

> >

>

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I hear this over and over again men with low T do a sleep test and are told they

have sleep apnea and are put on that dam machine. I don't know of one guy that

went on this machine and got there Testosterone levels up high enough to not

need TRT.

Not long ago I read a article from a Dr. saying the sleep clinics are telling

everyone tested they have this and they don't. Most of the people can't ware

this dam machine my wife and I were told we needed this and there was not way we

could get a good nights sleep using this machine long story short all we needed

to do was lose weight not one of the Dr.'s told us this when we could not use

the machine they talked about doing sugary.

It was when I did a search about this that I found a lot of things out one can

do to stop this. We lost just 10 lbs and it got better and the more weight we

lost the better it got.

I am sure there are people out there that have a big problem with sleep apnea

but it's not everyone tested.

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> From: jwp104@... <jwp104@...>

> Subject: Re: Dads blood work

>

> Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 10:46 PM

> Joe

> I had sleep apnea and low testosterone. Having the sleep

> atnea treated (surgery) did not help the low testosterone.

> Jack

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Well my dad seen Dr and he is 81 years old.

> Please tell me what you 

> > > > think of his blood work. He is on 700mg

> pellets implanted 5 weeks ago. 

> > > > These are his peak leves

> > > >

> > > > Total T 1215 - 5 weeks ago it was 475

> > > > Free T 28.5 - 5 weeks ago it was 0.8

> > > > DHEA-S - 206

> > > > E- 7 was 30

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > He has sexual desire but does not have cut

> to much wood in the morning 

> > > > (as he would say) He said its not everyday.

> > > >

> > > > So what do you guys think?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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I hear you. Took me 7 years to finally get used to it, but I finally have. I'm

sleeping much better but it is a pain. I travel on business a lot and have to

cart it around were ever I go. Seems they really failed in the user friendly

department with the CPAP solution.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well my dad seen Dr and he is 81 years old.

> > Please tell me what you 

> > > > > think of his blood work. He is on 700mg

> > pellets implanted 5 weeks ago. 

> > > > > These are his peak leves

> > > > >

> > > > > Total T 1215 - 5 weeks ago it was 475

> > > > > Free T 28.5 - 5 weeks ago it was 0.8

> > > > > DHEA-S - 206

> > > > > E- 7 was 30

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > He has sexual desire but does not have cut

> > to much wood in the morning 

> > > > > (as he would say) He said its not everyday.

> > > > >

> > > > > So what do you guys think?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

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In the hosp. when I was put under because they could not close me up for 14 days

do to blood thinners I was on. They put me out using that drip that kill

Michale . To help me breath they put a tube down my throat. When they

took me off this drip I and took the tube out they could not get me to come too.

So they put a CPAP on me to keep me breathing. Even out could I would rip this

off my face they had to tie my hands down. My wife was going nuts about this

and telling the Dr.'s if they did not get that thing off my face she was going

to sue them. They took it off and put me on H2O.

They are so dam desperate to make money off them machines this stoop to doing

any thing to justify using them.

Even after I was out of the ICU they would come in and try to put the crap on my

face every night.

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> From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...>

> Subject: Re: Dads blood work

>

> Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 10:08 AM

> I hear you.  Took me 7 years to

> finally get used to it, but I finally have.  I'm

> sleeping much better but it is a pain.  I travel on

> business a lot and have to cart it around were ever I

> go.  Seems they really failed in the user friendly

> department with the CPAP solution.

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well my dad seen Dr and he is 81

> years old.

> > > Please tell me what you 

> > > > > > think of his blood work. He is on

> 700mg

> > > pellets implanted 5 weeks ago. 

> > > > > > These are his peak leves

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Total T 1215 - 5 weeks ago it was

> 475

> > > > > > Free T 28.5 - 5 weeks ago it was

> 0.8

> > > > > > DHEA-S - 206

> > > > > > E- 7 was 30

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He has sexual desire but does not

> have cut

> > > to much wood in the morning 

> > > > > > (as he would say) He said its not

> everyday.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So what do you guys think?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

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If I take Armidex, can take Sidenafil Citrate too. and if this is possible, what

dosis and how.

Thanks,

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 10:33:42 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Dads blood work

In the hosp. when I was put under because they could not close me up for 14 days

do to blood thinners I was on. They put me out using that drip that kill

Michale . To help me breath they put a tube down my throat. When they

took me off this drip I and took the tube out they could not get me to come too.

So they put a CPAP on me to keep me breathing. Even out could I would rip this

off my face they had to tie my hands down. My wife was going nuts about this

and telling the Dr.'s if they did not get that thing off my face she was going

to sue them. They took it off and put me on H2O.

They are so dam desperate to make money off them machines this stoop to doing

any thing to justify using them.

Even after I was out of the ICU they would come in and try to put the crap on my

face every night.

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Phil

> From: noonanjg <jgnoonancomcast (DOT) net>

> Subject: Re: Dads blood work

>

> Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 10:08 AM

> I hear you. Took me 7 years to

> finally get used to it, but I finally have. I'm

> sleeping much better but it is a pain. I travel on

> business a lot and have to cart it around were ever I

> go. Seems they really failed in the user friendly

> department with the CPAP solution.

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well my dad seen Dr and he is 81

> years old.

> > > Please tell me what you

> > > > > > think of his blood work. He is on

> 700mg

> > > pellets implanted 5 weeks ago.

> > > > > > These are his peak leves

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Total T 1215 - 5 weeks ago it was

> 475

> > > > > > Free T 28.5 - 5 weeks ago it was

> 0.8

> > > > > > DHEA-S - 206

> > > > > > E- 7 was 30

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He has sexual desire but does not

> have cut

> > > to much wood in the morning

> > > > > > (as he would say) He said its not

> everyday.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So what do you guys think?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

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Well first you need to run some labs to see if you need arimidex I have been on

Arimidex and Cialis or Viagra from day one. I found the best thing was to first

get Estradiol levels down because this fix's ED problems. I went on 20 mgs of

Cialis every 3 days because every time I went to have sex I would worry about it

working and this worry would kill it.

If your Estradiol labs are not to high less then 40 pg/ml then take Arimidex

..25mgs or 1/4 of a pill every other day. When your levels come down you will

get some dam strong night time and morning wood this means you at your best

levels. Keep taking this but if wood stops then your going down to low so just

stop the arimidex until wood comes back then go back on it but do less like

every 3 days.

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Phil

>

> > From: noonanjg <jgnoonancomcast (DOT) net>

> > Subject: Re: Dads blood work

> >

> > Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 10:08 AM

> > I hear you.  Took me 7 years to

> > finally get used to it, but I finally have.  I'm

> > sleeping much better but it is a pain.  I travel

> on

> > business a lot and have to cart it around were ever I

> > go.  Seems they really failed in the user

> friendly

> > department with the CPAP solution.

> >

> >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well my dad seen Dr and he is

> 81

> > years old.

> > > > Please tell me what you 

> > > > > > > think of his blood work. He

> is on

> > 700mg

> > > > pellets implanted 5 weeks ago. 

> > > > > > > These are his peak leves

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Total T 1215 - 5 weeks ago it

> was

> > 475

> > > > > > > Free T 28.5 - 5 weeks ago it

> was

> > 0.8

> > > > > > > DHEA-S - 206

> > > > > > > E- 7 was 30

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He has sexual desire but does

> not

> > have cut

> > > > to much wood in the morning 

> > > > > > > (as he would say) He said its

> not

> > everyday.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So what do you guys think?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >

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> If I take Armidex, can take Sidenafil Citrate too. and if this is possible,

what dosis and how.

>

> Thanks,

>

Hi,

assuming you don't have some other condition that contraindicates it I don't see

why not... one inhibits an exzyme and one improves circulation

I prefer cialis myself for the long acting effects (with .5mg of cabergoline on

special occassions) but viagra has it's place.

ttyl

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