Matt O'Brien Re: Digest Number 3863

October 1, 2009

Here is the test I get at Quest Labs.

Homocysteine (Caridioviasular) Code #31789X.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Matt O'Brien Re: Digest Number 3863

>

> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:33 PM

> Iron is not an accurate indicator of

> anemia. It only measure whats in the blood from food and

> supplements. YOur sever markers of anemia

> defieincy. Just because your folate is high and b-12

> is high does not mean its being properly metabolized by the

> body. Most people with celtic, anglosaxon descent have

> mutations which can cause improper metabolism of folate and

> b-12. You can end up with huge amount in the blood but

> low levels at the cellular tissue. I had the same

> thing as pmganner had. I would love to see your

> homocystein levels to see how high they are.

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello my name is Matt O'Brien. I

> am a 16 year old in

> > > > > highschool and recently I had some

> > > > > > blood work done because for the

> past year I have been

> > > > > feeling the following symptoms:

> > > > > > Fatigue, weakness, constant

> hunger, cold body

> > > > > temperature, frequent urination and

> overall

> > > > > > lack of enjoyment in everything I

> used to do. The

> > > > > blood work came back with extremely low

> tesosterone, high

> > > > > cortisol, and little pituitary

> function. What triggered all

> > > > > of this happened a year ago in the

> summer of 2008.

> > > > > > Starting the summer around June I

> weighed 130 lbs and

> > > > > just got done competing at state

> wrestling. When that was

> > > > > over I decided to cut down for next

> year right away to have

> > > > > a better chance at doing better in

> wrestling.

> > > > > > I started eating less and less,

> and eventually all I

> > > > > ate was mostly protein, verry little

> carbohydrates, and

> > > > > little to no fats at all. All of this

> ended around

> > > > > September, so from June-September

> around four months I had

> > > > > pretty much developed an eating

> disorder from my favorite

> > > > > sport. Before I had my bodyfat taken

> for school,I was at 7%

> > > > > so I was naturaly lean anyway. Not only

> that but I am losing

> > > > > weight but gaining that bodyfat... I

> don't understand if the

> > > > > low tesosterone and growth hormone is

> causing bone and

> > > > > muscle loss, but I lift three times a

> week at the school and

> > > > > have not noticed many strength losses,

> I just can never get

> > > > > any stronger. It kills me to know that

> everything I do will

> > > > > only make me worse, I have no idea how

> to correct this

> > > > > hypothalamic/ pituitary problem. It

> would mean so much to me

> > > > > if you could help me with this, I think

> my doctor is running

> > > > > out of ideas for me. He has sent me to

> an endocrineologist

> > > > > in Des Moines, IA and she took seven

> serums of bloodwork

> > > > > showing all this. I should probably

> tell you that I'm not

> > > > > nutritionally defecient in any way, I

> eat around 2,000

> > > > > calories a day full of the right

> protein, carbohydrates, and

> > > > > fats. I even supplement healthy fats

> like fish oil omegas to

> > > > > try to help it. I take a multi-vitamin

> and an extra

> > > > > b-vitamin complex everyday to try and

> help. Nothing works.

> > > > > Not only did all of this mess with my

> quaility of life, my

> > > > > favorite sport, wrestling, is now being

> taken away from me

> > > > > because I don't have the energy to

> practice or compete...

> > > > > > The last two endocrinologists I

> have seen have told me

> > > > > to " wait it out " but that's kind of

> hard with such low

> > > > > levels at such a young age. I was

> wondering if anyone knows

> > > > > any good dr.s from Iowa that could help

> me out, or have any

> > > > > suggestions..

> > > > > > Levels go as follow:

> > > > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > > > T4 (Free) 1.04 (0.89-1.76)

> > > > > > TSH 1.17 (.35-5.50)

> > > > > > LH 2.2 (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > > Testosterone 96.7 (241-827)

> > > > > > Normal CBC and Comp Metabolic

> > > > > > The only other thing the Dr.

> noticed that was abnormal

> > > > > was a low Hemoglobin with normal

> ferratin, Iron and TIBC.

> > > > > > Hemoglobin 11.9 (13.0-16.0)

> > > > > > RBC 3.97 (4.70-6.10)

> > > > > > Hematocrit 34.5 (39-50)

> > > > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > > > ACTH 23 pg/ml normal with

> cortisol

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> ------

> > > > >

October 1, 2009

I was SUpposed to go for an MRI of my brain to check for the perceived presence

of a Tumor in my Pituitary Galnd..However, upon further evel by my regular(new)

endo and Primary Doc they both said the elevation of Prolactin in my blood test

is slight and a result of other meds I am taken

Matt O'Brien Re: Digest Number 3863

Dorset, England 30th September 2009

> > > > > The last two endocrinologists I have seen have told me

> > > > to " wait it out " but that's kind of hard with such low

> > > > levels at such a young age. I was wondering if anyone knows

> > > > any good dr.s from Iowa that could help me out, or have any

> > > > suggestions.

> > > > > Levels go as follow:

> > > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > > T4 (Free) 1.04 (0.89-1.76)

> > > > > TSH 1.17 (.35-5.50)

> > > > > LH 2.2 (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > Testosterone 96.7 (241-827)

> > > > > Normal CBC and Comp Metabolic

> > > > > The only other thing the Dr. noticed that was abnormal

> > > > was a low Hemoglobin with normal ferratin, Iron and TIBC.

> > > > > Hemoglobin 11.9 (13.0-16.0)

> > > > > RBC 3.97 (4.70-6.10)

> > > > > Hematocrit 34.5 (39-50)

> > > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > > ACTH 23 pg/ml normal with cortisol

> > > > >

Hi Matt

Sorry to hear of your medical difficulties and blood test results.

I was first taken ill at ca 17 but did not have (late 1960s) full blood tests

and so early

symptoms were missed. However, the symptoms you describe and blood tests need

far

more investigation and unfortunately this can mean still waiting for treatment

so as not to

mask or interfere with blood tests and investigations. Your Endocrinologist

and other

members here will report that when you have a possible Pituitary and/or

Hypothalamus

condition you need an MRi scan of the Head as well as various blood tests.

Fatigue can be

caused by many different hormones or glands going wrong such as Adrenal gland,

Pituitary,

Thyroid, Parathyroid and even Pancreas (Diabetes / Metabolic disorder etc).

I wanted to write as you have low Haemoglobin and Haemocrit levels.

Do ask for a Vitamin B12 and a Folate blood test as these relate to blood and

taking oxygen

to muscles and low or deficient levels caused exhaustion as well.

Additionally, Vitamin B12

deficiency can also be caused from Hypothyroid problems.

I briefly read where you question the Chlomid Test. All of these come under

" further

investigations " of the Pituitary and Hypothalamus and so try and be patient

whilst you

address the full picture rather than assuming all is caused from just one

problem at this

stage.

Sincere good wishes,

____________ ________

On 30 Sep 2009 at 13:19, wrote:

> There are 15 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1a. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> From: Kurt

> 1b. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> From: Matt Obrien

> 1c. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> From: Kurt

> 1d. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> From: Matt Obrien

> 1e. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> From: Matt Obrien

>

> 2a. hypogonadism

> From: Carson

> 2b. Re: hypogonadism

> From: philip georgian

>

> 3a. Reversal of fortune

> From: Ed Hale

> 3b. Re: Reversal of fortune

> From: philip georgian

> 3c. Re: Reversal of fortune

> From: Older Guy

> 3d. Re: Reversal of fortune

> From: k0cm

>

> 4. prostate

> From: stan

>

> 5a. how much would it cost

> From: Kipp Kruse

> 5b. Re: how much would it cost

> From:

>

> 6. 'shut down' of testosterone and sperm production?

> From: bob

>

> Messages

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> 1a. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> Posted by: " Kurt " kurtpetegmail (DOT) com kurt_pete

> Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:05 am ((PDT))

>

> Yep, I'm due for a visit in the next month or so, and I will ask him then.

>

> -Kurt

>

> > > >

> > > > Hello my name is Matt O'Brien. I am a 16 year old in

> > > highschool and recently I had some

> > > > blood work done because for the past year I have been

> > > feeling the following symptoms:

> > > > Fatigue, weakness, constant hunger, cold body

> > > temperature, frequent urination and overall

> > > > lack of enjoyment in everything I used to do. The

> > > blood work came back with extremely low tesosterone, high

> > > cortisol, and little pituitary function. What triggered all

> > > of this happened a year ago in the summer of 2008.

> > > > Starting the summer around June I weighed 130 lbs and

> > > just got done competing at state wrestling. When that was

> > > over I decided to cut down for next year right away to have

> > > a better chance at doing better in wrestling.

> > > > I started eating less and less, and eventually all I

> > > ate was mostly protein, verry little carbohydrates, and

> > > little to no fats at all. All of this ended around

> > > September, so from June-September around four months I had

> > > pretty much developed an eating disorder from my favorite

> > > sport. Before I had my bodyfat taken for school,I was at 7%

> > > so I was naturaly lean anyway. Not only that but I am losing

> > > weight but gaining that bodyfat... I don't understand if the

> > > low tesosterone and growth hormone is causing bone and

> > > muscle loss, but I lift three times a week at the school and

> > > have not noticed many strength losses, I just can never get

> > > any stronger. It kills me to know that everything I do will

> > > only make me worse, I have no idea how to correct this

> > > hypothalamic/ pituitary problem. It would mean so much to me

> > > if you could help me with this, I think my doctor is running

> > > out of ideas for me. He has sent me to an endocrineologist

> > > in Des Moines, IA and she took seven serums of bloodwork

> > > showing all this. I should probably tell you that I'm not

> > > nutritionally defecient in any way, I eat around 2,000

> > > calories a day full of the right protein, carbohydrates, and

> > > fats. I even supplement healthy fats like fish oil omegas to

> > > try to help it. I take a multi-vitamin and an extra

> > > b-vitamin complex everyday to try and help. Nothing works.

> > > Not only did all of this mess with my quaility of life, my

> > > favorite sport, wrestling, is now being taken away from me

> > > because I don't have the energy to practice or compete...

> > > > The last two endocrinologists I have seen have told me

> > > to " wait it out " but that's kind of hard with such low

> > > levels at such a young age. I was wondering if anyone knows

> > > any good dr.s from Iowa that could help me out, or have any

> > > suggestions..

> > > > Levels go as follow:

> > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > T4 (Free) 1.04 (0.89-1.76)

> > > > TSH 1.17 (.35-5.50)

> > > > LH 2.2 (1.5-9.3)

> > > > Testosterone 96.7 (241-827)

> > > > Normal CBC and Comp Metabolic

> > > > The only other thing the Dr. noticed that was abnormal

> > > was a low Hemoglobin with normal ferratin, Iron and TIBC.

> > > > Hemoglobin 11.9 (13.0-16.0)

> > > > RBC 3.97 (4.70-6.10)

> > > > Hematocrit 34.5 (39-50)

> > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > ACTH 23 pg/ml normal with cortisol

> > > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

October 1, 2009

The endo probably becuase the pituitary controls the makings of some harmones in

the body

Re: Matt O'Brien Re: Digest Number 3863

Yes but I don't feel it would be an Endo any Dr. that knows about pituitary

problems I would think it would be a brain Dr.can't think of there name. This

link might help.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/hypopituitary/article_em.htm

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > There are 15 messages in this issue.

> >

> > Topics in this digest:

> >

> > 1a. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > From: Kurt

> > 1b. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > From: Matt Obrien

> > 1c. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > From: Kurt

> > 1d. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > From: Matt Obrien

> > 1e. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > From: Matt Obrien

> >

> > 2a. hypogonadism

> > From: Carson

> > 2b. Re: hypogonadism

> > From: philip georgian

> >

> > 3a. Reversal of fortune

> > From: Ed Hale

> > 3b. Re: Reversal of fortune

> > From: philip georgian

> > 3c. Re: Reversal of fortune

> > From: Older Guy

> > 3d. Re: Reversal of fortune

> > From: k0cm

> >

> > 4. prostate

> > From: stan

> >

> > 5a. how much would it cost

> > From: Kipp Kruse

> > 5b. Re: how much would it cost

> > From:

> >

> > 6. 'shut down' of testosterone and sperm production?

> > From: bob

> >

> > Messages

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

> _________ _

> > 1a. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > Posted by: " Kurt " kurtpetegmail (DOT) com kurt_pete

> > Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:05 am ((PDT))

> >

> > Yep, I'm due for a visit in the next month or so, and

> I will ask him then.

> >

> > -Kurt

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello my name is Matt O'Brien. I am a

> 16 year old in

> > > > highschool and recently I had some

> > > > > blood work done because for the past

> year I have been

> > > > feeling the following symptoms:

> > > > > Fatigue, weakness, constant hunger,

> cold body

> > > > temperature, frequent urination and overall

> > > > > lack of enjoyment in everything I used

> to do. The

> > > > blood work came back with extremely low

> tesosterone, high

> > > > cortisol, and little pituitary function.

> What triggered all

> > > > of this happened a year ago in the summer of

> 2008.

> > > > > Starting the summer around June I

> weighed 130 lbs and

> > > > just got done competing at state wrestling.

> When that was

> > > > over I decided to cut down for next year

> right away to have

> > > > a better chance at doing better in

> wrestling.

> > > > > I started eating less and less, and

> eventually all I

> > > > ate was mostly protein, verry little

> carbohydrates, and

> > > > little to no fats at all. All of this ended

> around

> > > > September, so from June-September around

> four months I had

> > > > pretty much developed an eating disorder

> from my favorite

> > > > sport. Before I had my bodyfat taken for

> school,I was at 7%

> > > > so I was naturaly lean anyway. Not only that

> but I am losing

> > > > weight but gaining that bodyfat... I don't

> understand if the

> > > > low tesosterone and growth hormone is

> causing bone and

> > > > muscle loss, but I lift three times a week

> at the school and

> > > > have not noticed many strength losses, I

> just can never get

> > > > any stronger. It kills me to know that

> everything I do will

> > > > only make me worse, I have no idea how to

> correct this

> > > > hypothalamic/ pituitary problem. It would

> mean so much to me

> > > > if you could help me with this, I think my

> doctor is running

> > > > out of ideas for me. He has sent me to an

> endocrineologist

> > > > in Des Moines, IA and she took seven serums

> of bloodwork

> > > > showing all this. I should probably tell you

> that I'm not

> > > > nutritionally defecient in any way, I eat

> around 2,000

> > > > calories a day full of the right protein,

> carbohydrates, and

> > > > fats. I even supplement healthy fats like

> fish oil omegas to

> > > > try to help it. I take a multi-vitamin and

> an extra

> > > > b-vitamin complex everyday to try and help.

> Nothing works.

> > > > Not only did all of this mess with my

> quaility of life, my

> > > > favorite sport, wrestling, is now being

> taken away from me

> > > > because I don't have the energy to practice

> or compete...

> > > > > The last two endocrinologists I have

> seen have told me

> > > > to " wait it out " but that's kind of hard

> with such low

> > > > levels at such a young age. I was wondering

> if anyone knows

> > > > any good dr.s from Iowa that could help me

> out, or have any

> > > > suggestions..

> > > > > Levels go as follow:

> > > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > > T4 (Free) 1.04 (0.89-1.76)

> > > > > TSH 1.17 (.35-5.50)

> > > > > LH 2.2 (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > Testosterone 96.7 (241-827)

> > > > > Normal CBC and Comp Metabolic

> > > > > The only other thing the Dr. noticed

> that was abnormal

> > > > was a low Hemoglobin with normal ferratin,

> Iron and TIBC.

> > > > > Hemoglobin 11.9 (13.0-16.0)

> > > > > RBC 3.97 (4.70-6.10)

> > > > > Hematocrit 34.5 (39-50)

> > > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > > ACTH 23 pg/ml normal with cortisol

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

October 1, 2009

I only see one guy post that he seen an Endo that was good on Hormones. In all

the 27 yrs I have been on TRT and seen 7 Endo's not one got it right I am not

Primary but I am Secondary Hypopituitary and find Endo's are the last kind of

Dr. one needs to see for this problem.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > There are 15 messages in this issue.

> > >

> > > Topics in this digest:

> > >

> > > 1a. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > > From: Kurt

> > > 1b. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > > From: Matt Obrien

> > > 1c. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > > From: Kurt

> > > 1d. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > > From: Matt Obrien

> > > 1e. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > > From: Matt Obrien

> > >

> > > 2a. hypogonadism

> > > From: Carson

> > > 2b. Re: hypogonadism

> > > From: philip georgian

> > >

> > > 3a. Reversal of fortune

> > > From: Ed Hale

> > > 3b. Re: Reversal of fortune

> > > From: philip georgian

> > > 3c. Re: Reversal of fortune

> > > From: Older Guy

> > > 3d. Re: Reversal of fortune

> > > From: k0cm

> > >

> > > 4. prostate

> > > From: stan

> > >

> > > 5a. how much would it cost

> > > From: Kipp Kruse

> > > 5b. Re: how much would it cost

> > > From:

> > >

> > > 6. 'shut down' of testosterone and sperm

> production?

> > > From: bob

> > >

> > > Messages

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________

> _________

> > _________ _

> > > 1a. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > > Posted by: " Kurt " kurtpetegmail (DOT) com

> kurt_pete

> > > Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:05 am ((PDT))

> > >

> > > Yep, I'm due for a visit in the next month

> or so, and

> > I will ask him then.

> > >

> > > -Kurt

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello my name is Matt

> O'Brien. I am a

> > 16 year old in

> > > > > highschool and recently I had

> some

> > > > > > blood work done because for

> the past

> > year I have been

> > > > > feeling the following symptoms:

> > > > > > Fatigue, weakness, constant

> hunger,

> > cold body

> > > > > temperature, frequent urination

> and overall

> > > > > > lack of enjoyment in

> everything I used

> > to do. The

> > > > > blood work came back with

> extremely low

> > tesosterone, high

> > > > > cortisol, and little pituitary

> function.

> > What triggered all

> > > > > of this happened a year ago in

> the summer of

> > 2008.

> > > > > > Starting the summer around

> June I

> > weighed 130 lbs and

> > > > > just got done competing at state

> wrestling.

> > When that was

> > > > > over I decided to cut down for

> next year

> > right away to have

> > > > > a better chance at doing better

> in

> > wrestling.

> > > > > > I started eating less and

> less, and

> > eventually all I

> > > > > ate was mostly protein, verry

> little

> > carbohydrates, and

> > > > > little to no fats at all. All of

> this ended

> > around

> > > > > September, so from

> June-September around

> > four months I had

> > > > > pretty much developed an eating

> disorder

> > from my favorite

> > > > > sport. Before I had my bodyfat

> taken for

> > school,I was at 7%

> > > > > so I was naturaly lean anyway.

> Not only that

> > but I am losing

> > > > > weight but gaining that

> bodyfat... I don't

> > understand if the

> > > > > low tesosterone and growth

> hormone is

> > causing bone and

> > > > > muscle loss, but I lift three

> times a week

> > at the school and

> > > > > have not noticed many strength

> losses, I

> > just can never get

> > > > > any stronger. It kills me to

> know that

> > everything I do will

> > > > > only make me worse, I have no

> idea how to

> > correct this

> > > > > hypothalamic/ pituitary problem.

> It would

> > mean so much to me

> > > > > if you could help me with this,

> I think my

> > doctor is running

> > > > > out of ideas for me. He has sent

> me to an

> > endocrineologist

> > > > > in Des Moines, IA and she took

> seven serums

> > of bloodwork

> > > > > showing all this. I should

> probably tell you

> > that I'm not

> > > > > nutritionally defecient in any

> way, I eat

> > around 2,000

> > > > > calories a day full of the right

> protein,

> > carbohydrates, and

> > > > > fats. I even supplement healthy

> fats like

> > fish oil omegas to

> > > > > try to help it. I take a

> multi-vitamin and

> > an extra

> > > > > b-vitamin complex everyday to

> try and help.

> > Nothing works.

> > > > > Not only did all of this mess

> with my

> > quaility of life, my

> > > > > favorite sport, wrestling, is

> now being

> > taken away from me

> > > > > because I don't have the energy

> to practice

> > or compete...

> > > > > > The last two

> endocrinologists I have

> > seen have told me

> > > > > to " wait it out " but that's kind

> of hard

> > with such low

> > > > > levels at such a young age. I

> was wondering

> > if anyone knows

> > > > > any good dr.s from Iowa that

> could help me

> > out, or have any

> > > > > suggestions..

> > > > > > Levels go as follow:

> > > > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > > > T4 (Free) 1.04 (0.89-1.76)

> > > > > > TSH 1.17 (.35-5.50)

> > > > > > LH 2.2 (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > > Testosterone 96.7

> (241-827)

> > > > > > Normal CBC and Comp

> Metabolic

> > > > > > The only other thing the

> Dr. noticed

> > that was abnormal

> > > > > was a low Hemoglobin with normal

> ferratin,

> > Iron and TIBC.

> > > > > > Hemoglobin 11.9

> (13.0-16.0)

> > > > > > RBC 3.97 (4.70-6.10)

> > > > > > Hematocrit 34.5 (39-50)

> > > > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > > > ACTH 23 pg/ml normal with

> cortisol

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> ------

> > > > >

October 1, 2009

This is my point about Endo's and Dr.'s not up on this. I went 23 seeing them

kind of Dr.'s and all that time they told me my Labs don't show me I am

Secondary they all told me I am Primary. I have lost count of how much money I

have wasted on them. After doing HCG and my Total Testosterone levels doubling

my new Dr. sent all my lab from yrs. back to a specialist this guy said my labs

were screaming a pituitary problem. The dam Dr.'s if they don't know should say

so not let a person go through out life because the did not want to admit they

don't know. My Prolactin levels were never high yet my pituitary dose not work

right. Your pituitary dose a lot more then tell your body to make more

Prolactin.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > There are 15 messages in this issue.

> >

> > Topics in this digest:

> >

> > 1a. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > From: Kurt

> > 1b. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > From: Matt Obrien

> > 1c. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > From: Kurt

> > 1d. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > From: Matt Obrien

> > 1e. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > From: Matt Obrien

> >

> > 2a. hypogonadism

> > From: Carson

> > 2b. Re: hypogonadism

> > From: philip georgian

> >

> > 3a. Reversal of fortune

> > From: Ed Hale

> > 3b. Re: Reversal of fortune

> > From: philip georgian

> > 3c. Re: Reversal of fortune

> > From: Older Guy

> > 3d. Re: Reversal of fortune

> > From: k0cm

> >

> > 4. prostate

> > From: stan

> >

> > 5a. how much would it cost

> > From: Kipp Kruse

> > 5b. Re: how much would it cost

> > From:

> >

> > 6. 'shut down' of testosterone and sperm

> production?

> > From: bob

> >

> > Messages

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________

> _________ _________ _

> > 1a. Re: 16 year old male, problems.

> > Posted by: " Kurt " kurtpetegmail (DOT) com

> kurt_pete

> > Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:05 am ((PDT))

> >

> > Yep, I'm due for a visit in the next month or

> so, and I will ask him then.

> >

> > -Kurt

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello my name is Matt O'Brien. I

> am a 16 year old in

> > > > highschool and recently I had some

> > > > > blood work done because for the

> past year I have been

> > > > feeling the following symptoms:

> > > > > Fatigue, weakness, constant

> hunger, cold body

> > > > temperature, frequent urination and

> overall

> > > > > lack of enjoyment in everything

> I used to do. The

> > > > blood work came back with extremely

> low tesosterone, high

> > > > cortisol, and little pituitary

> function. What triggered all

> > > > of this happened a year ago in the

> summer of 2008.

> > > > > Starting the summer around June

> I weighed 130 lbs and

> > > > just got done competing at state

> wrestling. When that was

> > > > over I decided to cut down for next

> year right away to have

> > > > a better chance at doing better in

> wrestling.

> > > > > I started eating less and less,

> and eventually all I

> > > > ate was mostly protein, verry little

> carbohydrates, and

> > > > little to no fats at all. All of this

> ended around

> > > > September, so from June-September

> around four months I had

> > > > pretty much developed an eating

> disorder from my favorite

> > > > sport. Before I had my bodyfat taken

> for school,I was at 7%

> > > > so I was naturaly lean anyway. Not

> only that but I am losing

> > > > weight but gaining that bodyfat... I

> don't understand if the

> > > > low tesosterone and growth hormone is

> causing bone and

> > > > muscle loss, but I lift three times a

> week at the school and

> > > > have not noticed many strength

> losses, I just can never get

> > > > any stronger. It kills me to know

> that everything I do will

> > > > only make me worse, I have no idea

> how to correct this

> > > > hypothalamic/ pituitary problem. It

> would mean so much to me

> > > > if you could help me with this, I

> think my doctor is running

> > > > out of ideas for me. He has sent me

> to an endocrineologist

> > > > in Des Moines, IA and she took seven

> serums of bloodwork

> > > > showing all this. I should probably

> tell you that I'm not

> > > > nutritionally defecient in any way, I

> eat around 2,000

> > > > calories a day full of the right

> protein, carbohydrates, and

> > > > fats. I even supplement healthy fats

> like fish oil omegas to

> > > > try to help it. I take a

> multi-vitamin and an extra

> > > > b-vitamin complex everyday to try and

> help. Nothing works.

> > > > Not only did all of this mess with my

> quaility of life, my

> > > > favorite sport, wrestling, is now

> being taken away from me

> > > > because I don't have the energy to

> practice or compete...

> > > > > The last two endocrinologists I

> have seen have told me

> > > > to " wait it out " but that's kind of

> hard with such low

> > > > levels at such a young age. I was

> wondering if anyone knows

> > > > any good dr.s from Iowa that could

> help me out, or have any

> > > > suggestions..

> > > > > Levels go as follow:

> > > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > > T4 (Free) 1.04 (0.89-1.76)

> > > > > TSH 1.17 (.35-5.50)

> > > > > LH 2.2 (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > Testosterone 96.7 (241-827)

> > > > > Normal CBC and Comp Metabolic

> > > > > The only other thing the Dr.

> noticed that was abnormal

> > > > was a low Hemoglobin with normal

> ferratin, Iron and TIBC.

> > > > > Hemoglobin 11.9 (13.0-16.0)

> > > > > RBC 3.97 (4.70-6.10)

> > > > > Hematocrit 34.5 (39-50)

> > > > > IGF-1- 243 range (257-601)

> > > > > ACTH 23 pg/ml normal with

> cortisol

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> ------

> > > >

October 1, 2009

So will a DO work for a doctor, I have found some good ones.

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From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:11:24 PM

Subject: Re: Matt O'Brien Re: Digest Number 3863