Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Ratan, I was interested in your statement about Ashwagandha for adrenals, as I am interested in investigating and supporting the adrenals. I did some quick research and was amazed at what it is said to do - even for failing memories! Said to lead to increased growth of axons and dendrites. I am continuing my research. Rowena My apologies that I said here in India we use " Guggul " herb to boost adrenals. Actually we use it for thyroid. For adrenals we use " Ashwagandha " . My memory is failing, presumably due to my chronic sub-clinical hypothyroidism. Ratan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Problem with these Ayurvedic herbs is that they are not tested on animals and have not passed through drug trials. Not that drug trials are full proof. Funded by the drug companies, they are subject to all kind of biases and omissions and commissions. But the fact is that these herbs are based merely on "centuries of experiance" and the ancient statements of saints. Also, nowadays the Ayurvedic practitioners mixing allopathic drugs and cortisol and heavy toxic metals in high amount. So, do your research. Try them. But be on look out for side effects. Start with very low dose and build it up slowly. For memory, its "Brahmi". Its another herb. I know it is effective for that because I know of the good experimental research of one experimental psychologist using rats and maze learning. He was a careful researcher. The results were there. But I am not sure what was the mechanism: Was it the tranquilizing effect or the herb Brahmi directly increased the dendrites or what? But again we have to be wary of contamination. What we do here in India is that either we buy from a reliable company like the Himalaya drug company or we buy directly the raw herb in root form and prepare it at home ourselves. Ratan. -----------Ratan SinghPhone: 91 141 2652561Address: 7- NA- 16Jawahar NagarJaipur- 302004 INDIA----------- Certificate in Food & Nutrition; Diploma in Nutrition and Health Education.- Author of "Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses";- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple University Medical School, Philadelphia, USA);- Hypnotist, Biofeedback and Meditation Therapist.- Family, Marital and Sex Therapist.->Consultant Nutritional & Clinical Psychologist in Jaipur Hospital, India.psych_58@..., www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth, www.ejcbs.commeditationandcancer-subscribeegroups--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Rowena <newses@...> wrote: From: Rowena <newses@...>Subject: Re: Ashwagandhaiodine Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 12:27 PM Ratan, I was interested in your statement about Ashwagandha for adrenals, as I am interested in investigating and supporting the adrenals. I did some quick research and was amazed at what it is said to do - even for failing memories! Said to lead to increased growth of axons and dendrites. I am continuing my research.RowenaMy apologies that I said here in India we use "Guggul" herb to boost adrenals. Actually we use it for thyroid. For adrenals we use "Ashwagandha" . My memory is failing, presumably due to my chronic sub-clinical hypothyroidism.Ratan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 > Problem with these Ayurvedic herbs is that they are not tested on >animals and have not passed through drug trials. Not that drug trials >are full proof. Funded by the drug companies, they are subject to all >kind of biases and omissions and commissions. But the fact is that >these herbs are based merely on " centuries of experiance " and the >ancient statements of saints. Ratan. Seems to me that " centuries of experiance " and the ancient statements of saints " is a pretty good test. Lets face it. Herbs can't be patented so no one is going to make millions from selling them. So saying something is dangerous because it can't be tested is a paradox, a non-compute. Since they can't make millions no one is going to run a lot of expensive tests. The part about going slow when adding new supplements sounds like good advice always, along with keeping informed and watching one's own body. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Good. Go ahead. Did yu notice on page that they don't have any thyroid hormone or even dessicated thyroid in their Thyrocare. They have the herb Guggul, two south American herbs and selenium and iodine. Ratan.---------Ratan SinghPhone: 91 141 2652561Address: 7- NA- 16Jawahar NagarJaipur- 302004 INDIA----------- Certificate in Food & Nutrition; Diploma in Nutrition and Health Education.- Author of "Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses";- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple University Medical School, Philadelphia, USA);- Hypnotist, Biofeedback and Meditation Therapist.- Family, Marital and Sex Therapist.->Consultant Nutritional & Clinical Psychologist in Jaipur Hospital, India.psych_58@..., www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth, www.ejcbs.commeditationandcancer-subscribeegroups--- On Sun, 6/22/08, dorothyroeder <dorothyroeder@...> wrote: From: dorothyroeder <dorothyroeder@...>Subject: Re: Ashwagandhaiodine Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 9:58 PM > Problem with these Ayurvedic herbs is that they are not tested on>animals and have not passed through drug trials. Not that drug trials>are full proof. Funded by the drug companies, they are subject to all>kind of biases and omissions and commissions. But the fact is that>these herbs are based merely on "centuries of experiance" and the>ancient statements of saints. Ratan.Seems to me that "centuries of experiance" and the ancient statementsof saints" is a pretty good test. Lets face it. Herbs can't bepatented so no one is going to make millions from selling them. Sosaying something is dangerous because it can't be tested is a paradox,a non-compute. Since they can't make millions no one is going to run alot of expensive tests. The part about going slow when adding new supplements sounds like goodadvice always, along with keeping informed and watching one's own body.Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 What is the link to the page you mean? I found http://www.monarchessentials.com/wts.html For adrenal support it says: Codonopsis Root -100 mg Devil's Club Bark (Oplopanax horridum) - 50 mg Astragalus Root (Astragalus membranaceus) - 100 mg Fo-ti Herb - 100 mg Wild Yam Root (Dioscorea villosa) - 100 mg Siberian Ginseng Root (Eleutherococcus senticosus) - 50 mg Ashwaghanda Root (Withania somnifera) - 150 mg For Fibromyalgia: Malic Acid - 139mg Boneset (Eupatorium perfolatum) - 279mg Jamaican Dogwood (Piscidea erythrina) - 93mg Magnesium Oxide - 46mg Black Cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa) - 93mg For hyperthyroidism Bugleweed (Lycopus virginicus) Lemon Balm ( officinalis) Siberian Ginseng (Eleutherococcus senticosus) (Lithospermum canadense) and for Hypo, Hashi's and s Temp Syndrome Guggul (Commiphora mukul) - 263mg Iris - Blue Flag Root - (Iris versicolor) - 174mg Fucus - Bladderwrack Leaves - (Fucus vesiculosus) - 263mg http://healthyimmunity.com/Products/ThyroSense-for-Low-Thyroid-Health.htmlsaid Ashwagandha (Withania somnifera) Extract 75 mg (1.5% withanolides)(5:1 from 375 mg Ashwagandha) Ashwagandha has traditionally been used in Ayurvedic medicine to support the thyroid gland. Studies show that it enhances thyroid function and produces a significant increase in T4 thyroid hormone. Guggal extract and Ashwagandha should be used together to support thyroid health. Guggal (Commiphora mukul) Extract 50 mg 3% Guggulsterones)(3.5:1 from 175 mg Guggal) Guggal extract supports complete thyroid health while enhancing the conversion of T4 hormone to the more potent T3 hormone. Pantothenic Acid (Calcium Pantothenate) 50 mg Pantothenic Acid supports the adrenal glands, increases energy, helps you better handle stressful situations and reduces cellulite. Copper (Gluconate) 250 mcg Manganese (Citrate) 250 mcg A deficiency in the above nutrients can cause or contribute to hypothyroidism. Supplementing with these as well as vitamins A, B2, B3, B6, C and E will ensure optimal health of your thyroid gland. FemmEssentials includes the supporting nutrients and combined with ThyroSense will provide proper thyroid nutrition. Iodine (Potassium Iodide) 50 mcg Iodine is essential for the manufacture of thyroid hormones. http://www.naturalmeds.co.nz/Conditions/Hypothyroidism.htm says that guggul helps to normalize thyroid gland function and Ashwagandha stimulates thyroidal activity. I was actually searching to see whether the herbs contained iodine, but got distracted along the way by lots of interesting information. Rowena http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/ThyroCare.htm Did yu notice on page that they don't have any thyroid hormone or even dessicated thyroid in their Thyrocare. They have the herb Guggul, two south American herbs and selenium and iodine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Go Ask Alice!: Ashwagandha cures what ails you? http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/10627.html?utm_source=Get+Alice%21+In+Your+Bo\ x & utm_campaign=7d01b0dd3a-05072010_CU & utm_medium=email Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Barry: I was just reading Dr. Brownstein’s book on Hormones and for Adrenal weakness and whatever goes along with it, he prescribes the hormone DHEA. Have you ever thought of that? Bonnie From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of viajero8 Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:56 AM iodine Subject: ashwagandha could anyone tell me if they have had any experience using this herb? every time i try to increase my iodine, it seems to put such a stress on my system that i develop a lot of symptoms. thanks, barry size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aca899" align=center> No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4854 - Release Date: 03/06/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Grizz,There are several past posts very recently from Barry on his journey with iodine. in AlaskaOn Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:19 AM, grizz003 <grizz8562@...> wrote: Â Barry, Why are you taking ashwagandha? I foind this excellent report on it. http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jun2006_report_ashwa_01.htm What was your iodine dosage? What were you trying to increase it to? Why the question on ashwagandha? What are your symptoms when you increase your iodine dosage? It is impossible to answer your question with so little information. Grizz > > could anyone tell me if they have had any experience using this herb? every time i try to increase my iodine, it seems to put such a stress on my system that i develop a lot of symptoms. thanks, barry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Bonnie, my saliva test showed that my dhea was very low. i was going to start taking it, then i read that dhea could lower your cortisol and backed off. what do you think? I'll have to ask my doctor this friday when i see him. i am sooo afraid of hormones. it's such a delicate balancing act. Barry > > Barry: > > > > I was just reading Dr. Brownstein's book on Hormones and for Adrenal > weakness and whatever goes along with it, he prescribes the hormone DHEA. > Have you ever thought of that? > > > > Bonnie > > > > _____ > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of > viajero8 > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:56 AM > iodine > Subject: ashwagandha > > > > > > could anyone tell me if they have had any experience using this herb? every > time i try to increase my iodine, it seems to put such a stress on my system > that i develop a lot of symptoms. thanks, barry > > > > _____ > > size=1 width= " 100% " noshade color= " #aca899 " align=center> > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4854 - Release Date: 03/06/12 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Grizz, i haven't taken it yet. i was considering it because every time i start raising my iodine, all heck breaks loose and i get all of these symptoms and i suspect my adrenals are weak and cannot handle the detox. my symptoms are facial pain and headache in the evening, constant flatulation that is almost frightening, a disorienting feeling, and increased brain fog. also, tossing and turning and cannot get to sleep, which screams high nighttime cortisol, which usually means low morning cortisol, which usually means i am stressing my adrenals. i starting getting these symptoms by going too fast and arriving a a drop and a half of lugols from starting at 1/10 drop over the course of three weeks. i thought maybe ashwagandha would help support my adrenals and rectify the " low morning " and " high evening " levels. Barry > > > > could anyone tell me if they have had any experience using this herb? every time i try to increase my iodine, it seems to put such a stress on my system that i develop a lot of symptoms. thanks, barry > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Barry: Of course I can't just advise you but Dr. Brownstein who wrote our Iodine book mentions ALL that he treats in his practive with DHEA and it is amazing, Will you join me on the Off-topic group, cause we're going to get thrown off here very soon. Go to the very bottom of this email and click on OT group, join it and watch for my email that says Ashwaganha. Okay??? Bonnie From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of viajero8Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 5:27 PMiodine Subject: Re: ashwagandha Bonnie, my saliva test showed that my dhea was very low. i was going to start taking it, then i read that dhea could lower your cortisol and backed off. what do you think? I'll have to ask my doctor this friday when i see him. i am sooo afraid of hormones. it's such a delicate balancing act. Barry>> Barry:> > > > I was just reading Dr. Brownstein's book on Hormones and for Adrenal> weakness and whatever goes along with it, he prescribes the hormone DHEA.> Have you ever thought of that?> > > > Bonnie> > > > _____ > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of> viajero8> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:56 AM> iodine > Subject: ashwagandha> > > > > > could anyone tell me if they have had any experience using this herb? every> time i try to increase my iodine, it seems to put such a stress on my system> that i develop a lot of symptoms. thanks, barry> > > > _____ > > size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aca899" align=center> > > No virus found in this message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4854 - Release Date: 03/06/12> No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4857 - Release Date: 03/07/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 bonnie, ok. barry > > > > Barry: > > > > > > > > I was just reading Dr. Brownstein's book on Hormones and for Adrenal > > weakness and whatever goes along with it, he prescribes the hormone DHEA. > > Have you ever thought of that? > > > > > > > > Bonnie > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> ] On Behalf > Of > > viajero8 > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:56 AM > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > Subject: ashwagandha > > > > > > > > > > > > could anyone tell me if they have had any experience using this herb? > every > > time i try to increase my iodine, it seems to put such a stress on my > system > > that i develop a lot of symptoms. thanks, barry > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > size=1 width= " 100% " noshade color= " #aca899 " align=center> > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4854 - Release Date: 03/06/12 > > > > > > > _____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4857 - Release Date: 03/07/12 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 bonnie, there is no " OT " group that i can find at the bottom of this email or anywhere on the site, for that matter. help. barry > > > > > > Barry: > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reading Dr. Brownstein's book on Hormones and for Adrenal > > > weakness and whatever goes along with it, he prescribes the hormone DHEA. > > > Have you ever thought of that? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bonnie > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> ] On Behalf > > Of > > > viajero8 > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:56 AM > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > Subject: ashwagandha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could anyone tell me if they have had any experience using this herb? > > every > > > time i try to increase my iodine, it seems to put such a stress on my > > system > > > that i develop a lot of symptoms. thanks, barry > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > size=1 width= " 100% " noshade color= " #aca899 " align=center> > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4854 - Release Date: 03/06/12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4857 - Release Date: 03/07/12 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Grizz, i forgot to add in terrible abdominal distention and weight gain as part of the symptoms. that being said, the benefits of getting to 1 and 1/2 drops of iodine were nothing short of incredible. an increased feeling of well being, tremendous energy at the gym, and an amazing elevation of my mood. i can't wait to get back there again, only this time i am only increasing a 1/4 drop every week to see if that gives my body the time it needs to work through the additional detox. i was going too quickly before. i think i am very ill and toxic. i am back to 1/2 drop and will be increasing this sunday to 3/4 drop. i went to the gym today and had nothing. what a difference from when i was at the gym on 1 and 1/2 drops. barry > > > > > > could anyone tell me if they have had any experience using this herb? every time i try to increase my iodine, it seems to put such a stress on my system that i develop a lot of symptoms. thanks, barry > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Barry: Go about 2 1/2 inches from the bottom and it says...all off topic posts..... See it? From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of viajero8Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 5:54 PMiodine Subject: Re: ashwagandha bonnie, there is no "OT" group that i can find at the bottom of this email or anywhere on the site, for that matter. help. barry> > >> > > Barry:> > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reading Dr. Brownstein's book on Hormones and for Adrenal> > > weakness and whatever goes along with it, he prescribes the hormone DHEA.> > > Have you ever thought of that?> > > > > > > > > > > > Bonnie> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40>> > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> ] On Behalf> > Of> > > viajero8> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:56 AM> > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > Subject: ashwagandha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could anyone tell me if they have had any experience using this herb?> > every> > > time i try to increase my iodine, it seems to put such a stress on my> > system> > > that i develop a lot of symptoms. thanks, barry> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aca899" align=center> > > > > > > No virus found in this message.> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4854 - Release Date: 03/06/12> > >> > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > No virus found in this message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4857 - Release Date: 03/07/12> >> No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4857 - Release Date: 03/07/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 IodineOT/ ashwagandha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could anyone tell me if they have had any experience using this herb?> > every> > > time i try to increase my iodine, it seems to put such a stress on my> > system> > > that i develop a lot of symptoms. thanks, barry> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aca899" align=center> > > > > > > No virus found in this message.> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4854 - Release Date: 03/06/12> > >> > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > No virus found in this message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4857 - Release Date: 03/07/12> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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