Re: The Perils Of Animal Products.

[Guest guest]

I don't agree that animal products are perilous. Yes, this article

points to the " scientific " evidence of the topic. scientific

evidence is what brings us vaccines preserved with mercury to inject

into 6 month old babies, genetically modified food with herbaside

and pesticide DNA in the genes, chemo and radiation

therapy... " Science " can be used to justify anyones beliefs.

Now, I won't have any trouble agreeing that hormones, antibiotics,

and chemicals have no place in our food supply animal or otherwise.

But pure organic raised meat and raw milk ? I'll have some

I've used Hallelujuh acres products and their information and

respect them tremendously. On this topic, however, I disagree with

them.

Vince

>

> > Dear Gang,

> > Below I have cut and pasted some information from the latest

Health Tip

> from

> > www.hacres.com for those who really want to know the truth about

eating

> > animal products.

> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

--

> > THE PERILS OF ANIMAL PRODUCTS

[Guest guest]

Hi Vince,

Hallelujah Acres is also against vaccinations, GMO foods, herbicides and

pesticides in the food chain etc. Perhaps if you read " The China Project "

you would find they are confirming a lot of what you already know. I posted

the message for those who want to follow it up and read the book or get the

tapes.

I don't know what you mean about organic meat and raw milk? Hallelujah

Acres do not reccomend eating any animal products. Please clarify this.

Wishing you health,

Rosemary.

----- Original Message -----

From: " Vince Richter " <new_man85@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:40 AM

Subject: Re: The Perils Of Animal Products.

> I don't agree that animal products are perilous. Yes, this article

> points to the " scientific " evidence of the topic. scientific

> evidence is what brings us vaccines preserved with mercury to inject

> into 6 month old babies, genetically modified food with herbaside

> and pesticide DNA in the genes, chemo and radiation

> therapy... " Science " can be used to justify anyones beliefs.

>

> Now, I won't have any trouble agreeing that hormones, antibiotics,

> and chemicals have no place in our food supply animal or otherwise.

> But pure organic raised meat and raw milk ? I'll have some

>

> I've used Hallelujuh acres products and their information and

> respect them tremendously. On this topic, however, I disagree with

> them.

>

> Vince

>

>

> >

> > > Dear Gang,

> > > Below I have cut and pasted some information from the latest

> Health Tip

> > from

> > > www.hacres.com for those who really want to know the truth about

> eating

> > > animal products.

> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------

> --

> > > THE PERILS OF ANIMAL PRODUCTS

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Rosemary,

Sorry if my post wasn't clear. Thanks for your post and the link.

I was saying that I disagreed that animal products are bad as long

as they are organic and left closer to their natural state such as

unpasturized and unhomogenized milk. I agree with Hallelujah

Acres on the benefits of juicing raw vegetables and fruits, but not

with their view that we should stay away from all animal products.

Vince

> I don't know what you mean about organic meat and raw milk?

Hallelujah

> Acres do not reccomend eating any animal products. Please clarify

this.

> Wishing you health,

> Rosemary.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Vince Richter "

> > Subject: Re: The Perils Of Animal Products.

>

>

> > I don't agree that animal products are perilous.

[Guest guest]

Hi - I tend to agree with Vince on this one (not to pick a fight Rosemary,

your posts are always informative and helpful) but I disagree, to an extent,

on the animal products.

I never buy supermarket meat. Having married into a farming family and

living in the country, I've learned a little about meat production. Most

beef, pork, poultry and in some cases lamb is intensively raised, and is

therefore chock-full of hormones and antibiotics. You could not raise such

huge numbers of animals in relatively small areas so intensively without the

use of these drugs - many would die before they reach an age/weight suitable

for slaughter. This is meat I avoid.

Organically raised meat, meaning animals raised less intensively on good

grass pasture that is not treated with pesticides/herbicides/chemically-based

fertilizer, fed on grains not treated by the aforesaid chemicals, in my

opinion, is very good for you. I'm not suggesting eating huge 16oz steaks

every day, but a little each day is a good source of protein. Unfortanately,

organic meat is not always easy to come by, and is more expensive. But it is

well worth it. The difference in taste is truly amazing.

Cheers, Anne

[Guest guest]

Hi Rosemary - I am sorry to read about your battle with Lyme disease, but

it's great to see you are winning the battle!

As far as our nutrition needs go, I guess it's just " horses for courses " to

use a moldy old cliche. Your body does not agree with animal products and

clearly you need to avoid them. My body on the other hand, seems to like

them well enough. I do not go overboard and feast on 16 oz steaks daily, my

husband can easily polish one off, but I can't. I tend to listen to my body

when it comes to food, for instance I love fresh breads and pastries (bad bad

bad!) and I know it when I've pigged out on a box of cookies or croissants or

something. I feel really lethargic and grumpy afterwards. Surely my body is

telling me something. If I am am very strict with myself and only allow

myself meat, veg and fruit, after a week of this I am feeling fantastic - and

my skin feels really smooth and clear too. So I truly believe that meat in

small quantities is doing me a lot of good, esp liver which I hate but I know

is very good for me.

Good luck Rosemary, it is interesting to bounce different ideas off each

other. Cheers, Anne.

[Guest guest]

alot of what you said is true, however, alot of it is also false and

misleading

for example, having sifficient blood fat is necessary.

also, you didn't mention raw animal products. eating raw fats and proteins

is a completely different subject. this can easily be verified by the

hundreds of testimonials of people who are on the primal diet.

it's great that you did well on the hallelujah diet. but there are many

paths towards recovering from illness. the mistake alot of people make is

being blinded by their own personal experience and then making the absurd

inductive leap that if it's true for them then it must be true for all of

humanity.

it's possible that you are missing out on a very powerful healing modality

by villifying animals products. the issue is much more complex than simply

animal or vegetable.

raw animal proteins have a cleansing effect on the body. they behave in a

completely different manner than cooked protein.likewise for raw fat. the

same is true for every different substance that we eat. talk to some

aborigines or masai or eskimos. read some of weston price's work. or dr hl

newbold or peter d'adamo.

the halleluja diet looks very similar to the gerson diet. from what i

understand the whole key to this was getting the liver clear. for some

people raw vegetable juice would be a godsend. for others it can kill, by

inducing too strong a cleansing reaction while having a congested liver. too

much too soon can be lethal!

the halleluja diet is really just a cheap imitation of arnold ehrets

mucousless diet. maybe even ehret stole it from somewhere else. but ehret

was the first one to admit that if you don't know what you are doing with it

you can kill someone. so eating meat or a mucous forming food, in certain

circumstances can be a lifesaver. just as many people on this board are

diving into these cleanses without sufficient experience and then winding up

in surgery because they don't fully understand what a cleansing reaction is.

your point about osteoporosis has possibly some merit. however, people who

overeat cooked animal protein probably overeat a thousand other toxic

substances as well, so the study is most likely bogus. just as the

cholesterol studies were bogus in that there is no proven link between

dietary cholesterol and heart disease. it is more likely a combination of

high dietary cholesterol AND refined carbohydrate. any double blind

'scientific' study is inherently flawed because there is no way in hell that

they can take into account every possible variable-- not the least of which

is intent of the experimenter themselves.

vegetarians line the fields of graveyards just the same as carnivores