T is T and you pick the delivery that works best for you and your pocket book

[Guest guest]

.......Testosterone is Testosterone i disagree.......

On a molucular basis this is absolutly false. If your endo tells you otherwise,

have him

explain what the differences are. All of the " bio-idential testosterone " on the

market today

is made from the same yams and soy. Injectables are likewise the same and made

from

the same materials except an ester group is attached to the testosterone

molecule

i've tried patches and gels, they are not for men who are like me.

Given the variation between one person's skin compared to another persons,

absorbtion is

where the real variables come into the equation with topical T applications.

Some people

just do not absorb the topical T into the blood stream as good as others do.

However, if

you use multiple doses you can get to 800 plus. Given the absorbtion problems

that some

have experinced, topical delivery such as gels and creams often end up wasting

T.

I've found a Endo in boston who is rated as one of the top Endos for men with

Kinefelters.

He believes we need more testosterone than gels and patches deliver.

Again I would challenge this claim. If you get a good quality high concentrated

cream

10%-15% and you apply the cream to the inside of your wrists, you can get you T

above

800 in a hurry without using alot of the actual cream. Where you apply the gel

or cream

can make alot of differnce on how much of the T will actually be absorbed into

the blood

stream

Patches have not proven to be effective for any of the men that I know who have

tried

them. However, these men did much better with creams and gels. I will say this

again,

you can get to 1200 plus levels with good high concentrated creams, and anything

higher

than that is considered supraphysiologic levels.

I agree. Since I've seen him I've felt the best than I ever have.

 

We are all glad that you are now getting good results from your TRT, and I would

ask--did

your endo prescribe you an aromatase inhibitor? Is he watching your Estrogen

levels as

well? If not, you run the risk of your endo undermining your progress and

stablity in your

TRT. However, you could get the same results, with pellets, gels, shots or

creams. You

just have to put up with the drawbacks of each delivery method and be able to

afford the

amount the actual drug required to reach your target level.

If for exmample you are only able to absorb 50% of the gel that is applied to

your skin, you

are going to have to use much more than just one 5 mg packet of 1% androgel per

day. I

used two-one in the am and one in the pm, and it boosted my levels up, but to

get to the

800-1000 range, I was going to need to add another packet. By this time using a

compounding pharmacy cream made sense as I had to apply far less medicaion and

it was

much more affordable.

Testosterone is Testosterone-the only difference is how you get it into the

blood stream.

Some methods of delivery are more efficent than others, and in this case shots

are the

most efficent next to pellets.

Any oral T will have to be chemically modified to survive passing through the

liver, so

these types of T are much different chemically than the topical T. There is

however, an

exception which is a pill form of testosterone undecanote which is essentially

what Nibedo

is made from

tc

Tom Clements

www.redwolftravel.com

 

[Guest guest]

I have only tried Androgel and compounded T. Androgel is very

expensive (close to $200/month).

Compounded T: I get 2 months supply for $40. It is a 10% cream and

only apply 0.35 mL (35 mg), twice a day, instead of the 5 g of

Androgel.

I apply the cream to the side of my thighs (outside). Alternating

them left (morning)/right (night).

I got my T levels to around 900 and I feel fine there. I tried

increasing it a little more and I got too agressive. Therefore, I

decided to keep it around 70 mg/day.

I control my E2 with Zinc gluconate tabs (50 mg/day). So far so good.

Flaco

>

>

>

> ......Testosterone is Testosterone i disagree.......

>

> On a molucular basis this is absolutly false. If your endo tells

you otherwise, have him

> explain what the differences are. All of the " bio-idential

testosterone " on the market today

> is made from the same yams and soy. Injectables are likewise the

same and made from

> the same materials except an ester group is attached to the

testosterone molecule

>

>

> i've tried patches and gels, they are not for men who are like me.

>

> Given the variation between one person's skin compared to another

persons, absorbtion is

> where the real variables come into the equation with topical T

applications. Some people

> just do not absorb the topical T into the blood stream as good as

others do. However, if

> you use multiple doses you can get to 800 plus. Given the

absorbtion problems that some

> have experinced, topical delivery such as gels and creams often end

up wasting T.

>

>

> I've found a Endo in boston who is rated as one of the top Endos

for men with Kinefelters.

> He believes we need more testosterone than gels and patches deliver.

>

> Again I would challenge this claim. If you get a good quality high

concentrated cream

> 10%-15% and you apply the cream to the inside of your wrists, you

can get you T above

> 800 in a hurry without using alot of the actual cream. Where you

apply the gel or cream

> can make alot of differnce on how much of the T will actually be

absorbed into the blood

> stream

>

> Patches have not proven to be effective for any of the men that I

know who have tried

> them. However, these men did much better with creams and gels. I

will say this again,

> you can get to 1200 plus levels with good high concentrated creams,

and anything higher

> than that is considered supraphysiologic levels.

>

> I agree. Since I've seen him I've felt the best than I ever have.

>  

> We are all glad that you are now getting good results from your

TRT, and I would ask--did

> your endo prescribe you an aromatase inhibitor? Is he watching

your Estrogen levels as

> well? If not, you run the risk of your endo undermining your

progress and stablity in your

> TRT. However, you could get the same results, with pellets, gels,

shots or creams. You

> just have to put up with the drawbacks of each delivery method and

be able to afford the

> amount the actual drug required to reach your target level.

>

> If for exmample you are only able to absorb 50% of the gel that is

applied to your skin, you

> are going to have to use much more than just one 5 mg packet of 1%

androgel per day. I

> used two-one in the am and one in the pm, and it boosted my levels

up, but to get to the

> 800-1000 range, I was going to need to add another packet. By this

time using a

> compounding pharmacy cream made sense as I had to apply far less

medicaion and it was

> much more affordable.

>

> Testosterone is Testosterone-the only difference is how you get it

into the blood stream.

> Some methods of delivery are more efficent than others, and in this

case shots are the

> most efficent next to pellets.

>

> Any oral T will have to be chemically modified to survive passing

through the liver, so

> these types of T are much different chemically than the topical T.

There is however, an

> exception which is a pill form of testosterone undecanote which is

essentially what Nibedo

> is made from

>

> tc

>

>

> Tom Clements

> www.redwolftravel.com

>  

>