Re: how to avoid stuck stones & Pancreatitus, Wally

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> This is one of the reasons I have always done a fairly long, usually two to

> three day, fast before doing my flushes, I rely on a buildup of bile that

> is just waiting to be released.

Dale,

You say you've done a fast several days before the cleanse. What exactly do

you eat? I'm thinking about eating pretty light the next few days before my

cleanse. Does this really help the bile buildup?

Thanks,

Susie

[Guest guest]

Dale, Im not here to argue, everyone has an opinion, But if your stone is

stuck and you are having symtpoms of jaundice or pancreatitis, I would think

the last thing you should do is take a large anount of oil. I would think

that this could possibly be harmful. The flushes are meant to be done by

healthy people and if you are having pancreatitis or jaundice that is not

healthy and the flush should probably be done when the symtpoms have

resided.

>From: " Dale " <Da_@...>

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>Subject: how to avoid stuck stones & Pancreatitus, Wally

>Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:32:25 -0700

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>----- Original Message -----

>From: Wally Gordon

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>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:03 PM

>Subject: Re Tip on how to avoid stuck stones & Pancreatitus

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>Only that flushes have bee known to CAUSE stuck stones, not to unstick

>them.

>

>You wouldn't want to make the problem more severe, would you?

>

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>

>Wally;

>

>This statement is much too broad, and is inacurate. Flushes can not be held

>as the cause for stones getting stuck. Stones will seek to be released

>regardless of the flush if there is a heavy demand for bile to emulsify

>fat. If a person has prepared for the flush with fore knowledge of what is

>taking place they have a much better chance of dealing with a stone's

>sticking to the wall of the bile duct if that should occur.

>

>There can be many other reasons for a stone becomeing stuck in a bile duct

>on its way out to the intestines. But for the most part just about any size

>of stone getting into the common bile duct is likely to move through

>because most stones are pretty slippery at that stage, and the bile duct is

>usually pretty elastic and slippery too.

>

>The real problem is figureing out just how good of a quantity of bile a

>person has for doing a flush in the first place. This is very difficult to

>decide because if is often hard to determine just how well their liver is

>in the first place and then just how much bile it is able to produce at any

>given time to move stones along from the presure exerted by its collapes.

>This is one of the reasons I have always done a fairly long, usually two to

>three day, fast before doing my flushes, I rely on a buildup of bile that

>is just waiting to be released. I haven't done the standard flush as most

>are doing on this group because I now do a flush when I know I'm going to

>be getting a colonic.

>

>If I had sucucumed to the scare tactic of my doctor or others, saying the

>very same thing you did here, I would have lost my gallbladder over three

>years ago. But, now my success is a hope for others who have done the drop

>and roll pain endurance run to the hospital. I can honestly say I feel your

>pain when someone talks about having a gallbladder or liver attack, fears

>losing their gallbladder,and is also fearful of doing a flush to at least

>waylay any potential surgery.

>

>Granted, not all are going to be able to do as I have, they will have to

>have their gallbladders removed, but at least there is some hope here. You

>are certainly welcome to be more specific with statistics and other input

>to make any further point regarding this statement if you wish but be sure

>to use specific information to support your argument. I have myself and

>others to which to point as supportive evidence of the effectiveness of the

>gallbladder and liver flushing proceedure, along with a healthy diet and

>exercise.

>

>Some people on this list have reported releif from doing a flush to get out

>stuck stones.

>

>Dale

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<The flushes are meant to be done by

healthy people and if you are having pancreatitis or jaundice that is not

healthy and the flush should probably be done when the symtpoms have

resided.

>>

i went through a stage of jaundice half way into the flushes. i had a choice

at that point to either let a doctor cut me open or continue with the

flushing. the jaundice is much improved. i'm still not out of the woods yet,

but doing better. everyone has to make their own decision as to what the

flushes are for. i disagree with you wholeheartedly that they are for

healthy people. i came to realize that the cause of the jaundice was backed

up bile. how to resolve this? continue flushing until normal bile flow is

restored. my symptoms were not going to reside by doing nothing, they were

getting worse and worse so i had to do something.

where did you get the notion that they are to be done by healthy people?

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

> This is one of the reasons I have always done a fairly long, usually two to

> three day, fast before doing my flushes, I rely on a buildup of bile that

> is just waiting to be released.

Dale,

You say you've done a fast several days before the cleanse. What exactly do

you eat? I'm thinking about eating pretty light the next few days before my

cleanse. Does this really help the bile buildup?

Thanks,

Susie

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Susie;

I don't really know for a fact that it does but the logic behind it does. This

is one of the reasons given for the fast by Dr. so I have gone from that

premise plus the fact that I've also had such good success doing it.

Dale

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Dale, Im not here to argue, everyone has an opinion, But if your stone is

stuck and you are having symtpoms of jaundice or pancreatitis, I would think

the last thing you should do is take a large anount of oil. I would think

that this could possibly be harmful. The flushes are meant to be done by

healthy people and if you are having pancreatitis or jaundice that is not

healthy and the flush should probably be done when the symtpoms have

resided.

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You are not going to be getting an argument from me on this. I will tell you

however, that I was jaundice when I had gone to the hospital but then I'd been

jaundice for years without having realized it. It simply was not as bad as when

the eyes and skin have that truly yellow look,or when the urine is dark and the

stools are whiteish, it was just my skin that was yellow and I'm of European

decent so this should have been an indication of something wrong for some time.

A stuck stone doesn't mean a person has to have an operation to have the

gallbladder or the pancreas removed. There is a procedure where by they insert a

basket and can remove the stone leaving the gallbladder and pancreas intact.

Wally and I were not talking about the subject to which you have us pointed now.

With Wally's broad statement I needed to correct that and that alone. You,

however, are relatively correct regarding a stone that has become stuck for some

other reason other than a flush having been the cause.

Dale

[Guest guest]

Well, I " got the notion " they were to be done by healthy people because I

thought that is what Dr. recommended??? I wasnt saying that you should

let a Dr cut you open, I was simply saying that it would seem like a wise

thing to do to wait till your symtpoms went away, maybe not much for

jaundice because that can be caused by many things, but mostly for

pancreatitis. If you have ever had pancreaititis you would understand, when

you have pancreatitis it is almost impossible to keep anything down and it

is not good for your pancreas either.

>From: " aluckower " <aluckower@...>

>Reply-gallstones

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>Subject: Re: how to avoid stuck stones & Pancreatitus, Wally

>Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:10:47 -0400

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><<The flushes are meant to be done by

>healthy people and if you are having pancreatitis or jaundice that is not

>healthy and the flush should probably be done when the symtpoms have

>resided.

>

> >>

>

>i went through a stage of jaundice half way into the flushes. i had a

>choice

>at that point to either let a doctor cut me open or continue with the

>flushing. the jaundice is much improved. i'm still not out of the woods

>yet,

>but doing better. everyone has to make their own decision as to what the

>flushes are for. i disagree with you wholeheartedly that they are for

>healthy people. i came to realize that the cause of the jaundice was backed

>up bile. how to resolve this? continue flushing until normal bile flow is

>restored. my symptoms were not going to reside by doing nothing, they were

>getting worse and worse so i had to do something.

>

>where did you get the notion that they are to be done by healthy people?

>

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