Re: Talking to my doc again.

[Guest guest]

When you come accross Dr.'s like this your best bet is to find a New one even

when you show them links saying this is not so. They don't listen your levels

this low are in the normal range but for a man over 86 yrs old. Your Dr. needs

to brush up on his math. Here is a link to levels by age. Most Dr.'s that are

like this are Endo's and they are not good Dr.'s for low T.

http://www.natural-hrt.com/andropause04.html

Go to the files section at the home page and read Finding a New Male Hormone Dr.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

> Subject: Talking to my doc again.

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 1:52 PM

> OK so I have an appointment to see my doc in September. Can

> you

> friggin' believe it takes THAT long to get in to see

> her? I may have

> to look for another doc but I really hate to. So, when I go

> I'm going

> to have a very long chat with her about the 326 total T

> reading last

> November and also about all the tests I want her to run but

> I'm going

> to hit a brick wall and need some advice.

>

> She WILL run all the labs this time because she would have

> last time

> even though admitting if anything was out of normal she

> wouldn't know

> how to pursue it unless it was just low T. This time

> I'm going to try

> to convince her to run all the labs and then when they come

> back I'll

> come back in when she has time (hopefully soon after) and

> we'll

> discuss them and that also I would like to bring another

> doctor on

> board to help her with the test results should she need it,

> etc. You

> see, there is a fine line here whether we want to admit it

> or not. I'm

> walking into an office whose lab thinks 326 is normal for a

> man my

> age, asking for obscure lab work, and then possibly will be

> asking for

> her to prescribe a schedule III controlled substance to me

> with really

> no good reason in her eyes other than I'd feel better

> assuming my labs

> are just grazing the low point of the labs range.

>

> So before I embark on this can I ask you all who are/were

> in a similar

> situation about how you handled this with your doc? Since

> my total T

> was normal last time (100 points above the lab basement)

> and no free T

> test was done how can I convince her that something is

> wrong? Of

> course this is all just hearsay now because I believe my

> labs are

> going to turn up something that was missed, like low free T

> or high

> E2, etc. Thanks for the time.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:52:35 -0000, you wrote:

>She WILL run all the labs this time because she would have last time

>even though admitting if anything was out of normal she wouldn't know

>how to pursue it unless it was just low T.

Ask if she can order them in advance so she'll have the results when

you go to see her.

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't move on yet. She seems open to listening and is willing to

run the E2 test. An open minded Doc on these issues is worth a

million. I'd urge to see how open minded she is and how much you can

educate her with medical studies and good info. 99.9999% of the Docs

are ignorant on this condition or at best out of date. It takes some

work and diplomacy to get the treatment you will need - that and an

open minded sincere Doctor. Do you have that?

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:31:47 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>

>Subject: Re: Talking to my doc again.

>From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:31:47 -0700 (PDT)

>

>When you come accross Dr.'s like this your best bet is to find a New one even

when you show them links saying this is not so. They don't listen your levels

this low are in the normal range but for a man over 86 yrs old. Your Dr. needs

to brush up on his math. Here is a link to levels by age. Most Dr.'s that are

like this are Endo's and they are not good Dr.'s for low T.

>http://www.natural-hrt.com/andropause04.html

>Go to the files section at the home page and read Finding a New Male Hormone

Dr.

>

>Co-Moderator

>Phil

>

>

>

>

>> From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

>> Subject: Talking to my doc again.

>>

>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 1:52 PM

>> OK so I have an appointment to see my doc in September. Can

>> you

>> friggin' believe it takes THAT long to get in to see

>> her? I may have

>> to look for another doc but I really hate to. So, when I go

>> I'm going

>> to have a very long chat with her about the 326 total T

>> reading last

>> November and also about all the tests I want her to run but

>> I'm going

>> to hit a brick wall and need some advice.

>>

>> She WILL run all the labs this time because she would have

>> last time

>> even though admitting if anything was out of normal she

>> wouldn't know

>> how to pursue it unless it was just low T. This time

>> I'm going to try

>> to convince her to run all the labs and then when they come

>> back I'll

>> come back in when she has time (hopefully soon after) and

>> we'll

>> discuss them and that also I would like to bring another

>> doctor on

>> board to help her with the test results should she need it,

>> etc. You

>> see, there is a fine line here whether we want to admit it

>> or not. I'm

>> walking into an office whose lab thinks 326 is normal for a

>> man my

>> age, asking for obscure lab work, and then possibly will be

>> asking for

>> her to prescribe a schedule III controlled substance to me

>> with really

>> no good reason in her eyes other than I'd feel better

>> assuming my labs

>> are just grazing the low point of the labs range.

>>

>> So before I embark on this can I ask you all who are/were

>> in a similar

>> situation about how you handled this with your doc? Since

>> my total T

>> was normal last time (100 points above the lab basement)

>> and no free T

>> test was done how can I convince her that something is

>> wrong? Of

>> course this is all just hearsay now because I believe my

>> labs are

>> going to turn up something that was missed, like low free T

>> or high

>> E2, etc. Thanks for the time.

>>

[Guest guest]

Are you close to a university hospital (major medical center)?? It

has been my experience that the more the doctor views your body and

symptoms as a " scientific " problem (rather than symptoms to treat),

the more types of tests that they run. The docs must be studious,

inquisitive and not have a ton of daily patients. I have found these

doctors in a university/teaching hospital setting....

If it were me, I might try to get a 2nd opinion over the summer and

see how far you get, still keeping the Sept. appointment. Getting

blood down ASAP is a good bet, too, at least to get your own thoughts

together. I question any doc. who doesn't do blood work 2-3 weeks

before meeting...

Blessings,

Bill

>

> OK so I have an appointment to see my doc in September. Can you

> friggin' believe it takes THAT long to get in to see her? I may have

> to look for another doc but I really hate to. So, when I go I'm going

> to have a very long chat with her about the 326 total T reading last

> November and also about all the tests I want her to run but I'm going

> to hit a brick wall and need some advice.

>

> She WILL run all the labs this time because she would have last time

> even though admitting if anything was out of normal she wouldn't know

> how to pursue it unless it was just low T. This time I'm going to try

> to convince her to run all the labs and then when they come back I'll

> come back in when she has time (hopefully soon after) and we'll

> discuss them and that also I would like to bring another doctor on

> board to help her with the test results should she need it, etc. You

> see, there is a fine line here whether we want to admit it or not. I'm

> walking into an office whose lab thinks 326 is normal for a man my

> age, asking for obscure lab work, and then possibly will be asking for

> her to prescribe a schedule III controlled substance to me with really

> no good reason in her eyes other than I'd feel better assuming my labs

> are just grazing the low point of the labs range.

>

> So before I embark on this can I ask you all who are/were in a similar

> situation about how you handled this with your doc? Since my total T

> was normal last time (100 points above the lab basement) and no free T

> test was done how can I convince her that something is wrong? Of

> course this is all just hearsay now because I believe my labs are

> going to turn up something that was missed, like low free T or high

> E2, etc. Thanks for the time.

>

[Guest guest]

Bill

I found a great resourse for my low T treatment with my primary care

physician (PCP).

The uro I was going to had me on shots every three weeks. Last

October I was talking to my PCP and he said I can do the blood work

and help with your problem. It had just been three weeks and my blood

work showed my T level at 120 which is way below normal. He increaced

my shots to 300mg every 10 days and I started to feel better. In may

my blood work showed 420 after 11 days and he increaced my shots to

400mg every 10 days. Now I am lots better!!!!!!!

I was at my PCP Monday about my arthritis and he asked how my shots

were doing. I told him great.

I had to have back surgery the end of January and he said I wanted to

get your T levels up to help in recovery. T shots have given me more

energy and I am losing weight.

Conclusion: You may not have to wait weeks to see a uro or other

doctor your best resource may be your local PCP. I understand all PCP

are not as up on T as mine but it is worth a try.

Jack

> >

> > OK so I have an appointment to see my doc in September. Can you

> > friggin' believe it takes THAT long to get in to see her? I may

have

> > to look for another doc but I really hate to. So, when I go I'm

going

> > to have a very long chat with her about the 326 total T reading

last

> > November and also about all the tests I want her to run but I'm

going

> > to hit a brick wall and need some advice.

> >

> > She WILL run all the labs this time because she would have last

time

> > even though admitting if anything was out of normal she wouldn't

know

> > how to pursue it unless it was just low T. This time I'm going to

try

> > to convince her to run all the labs and then when they come back

I'll

> > come back in when she has time (hopefully soon after) and we'll

> > discuss them and that also I would like to bring another doctor on

> > board to help her with the test results should she need it, etc.

You

> > see, there is a fine line here whether we want to admit it or

not. I'm

> > walking into an office whose lab thinks 326 is normal for a man my

> > age, asking for obscure lab work, and then possibly will be

asking for

> > her to prescribe a schedule III controlled substance to me with

really

> > no good reason in her eyes other than I'd feel better assuming my

labs

> > are just grazing the low point of the labs range.

> >

> > So before I embark on this can I ask you all who are/were in a

similar

> > situation about how you handled this with your doc? Since my

total T

> > was normal last time (100 points above the lab basement) and no

free T

> > test was done how can I convince her that something is wrong? Of

> > course this is all just hearsay now because I believe my labs are

> > going to turn up something that was missed, like low free T or

high

> > E2, etc. Thanks for the time.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I do believe my doc is very sincere and open minded. She has a hell of

a patient load but spends as much time with you as you need to discuss

things with her. I don't think I'll have to do much to convince her,

it's just if I come back with high E2 or other things out of whack

other than T she might have a problem treating it. Since she's female

she understands hormonal issues on a personal level and that's why I

hate to move on to someone else but I will if necessary. Either way,

I'll get it figured out. I will stop by her office with a note and the

list of blood work to see if she will order it before we meet, that

way she can have all the results ready for us to discuss at our

appointment. I'm not sure she'll do it without seeing me first but I'm

sure gonna try. I can't see any reason she wouldn't if I talk to her

nurse and get everything in order. It's actually a time saver for her

as well.

> >

> >> From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

> >> Subject: Talking to my doc again.

> >>

> >> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 1:52 PM

> >> OK so I have an appointment to see my doc in September. Can

> >> you

> >> friggin' believe it takes THAT long to get in to see

> >> her? I may have

> >> to look for another doc but I really hate to. So, when I go

> >> I'm going

> >> to have a very long chat with her about the 326 total T

> >> reading last

> >> November and also about all the tests I want her to run but

> >> I'm going

> >> to hit a brick wall and need some advice.

> >>

> >> She WILL run all the labs this time because she would have

> >> last time

> >> even though admitting if anything was out of normal she

> >> wouldn't know

> >> how to pursue it unless it was just low T. This time

> >> I'm going to try

> >> to convince her to run all the labs and then when they come

> >> back I'll

> >> come back in when she has time (hopefully soon after) and

> >> we'll

> >> discuss them and that also I would like to bring another

> >> doctor on

> >> board to help her with the test results should she need it,

> >> etc. You

> >> see, there is a fine line here whether we want to admit it

> >> or not. I'm

> >> walking into an office whose lab thinks 326 is normal for a

> >> man my

> >> age, asking for obscure lab work, and then possibly will be

> >> asking for

> >> her to prescribe a schedule III controlled substance to me

> >> with really

> >> no good reason in her eyes other than I'd feel better

> >> assuming my labs

> >> are just grazing the low point of the labs range.

> >>

> >> So before I embark on this can I ask you all who are/were

> >> in a similar

> >> situation about how you handled this with your doc? Since

> >> my total T

> >> was normal last time (100 points above the lab basement)

> >> and no free T

> >> test was done how can I convince her that something is

> >> wrong? Of

> >> course this is all just hearsay now because I believe my

> >> labs are

> >> going to turn up something that was missed, like low free T

> >> or high

> >> E2, etc. Thanks for the time.

> >>

>

[Guest guest]

I tell all the men with labs showing high E2 to try Indolplex/DIM first all you

need is labs so you don't go down to low. Using this brand I know it works you

just take one tablet at dinner. In about 2 weeks you should get night time and

morning wood so strong it wakes you up this means your leves are now down and at

there best level. Keep taking it but if wood stops stop the DIM until wood

comes back then that day go back on it but cut the tablet in half. I find using

my wood is a good gage to not go to low. Going to low is just as bad as to

high.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

> Subject: Re: Talking to my doc again.

>

> Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:42 AM

> I do believe my doc is very sincere and open minded. She has

> a hell of

> a patient load but spends as much time with you as you need

> to discuss

> things with her. I don't think I'll have to do much

> to convince her,

> it's just if I come back with high E2 or other things

> out of whack

> other than T she might have a problem treating it. Since

> she's female

> she understands hormonal issues on a personal level and

> that's why I

> hate to move on to someone else but I will if necessary.

> Either way,

> I'll get it figured out. I will stop by her office with

> a note and the

> list of blood work to see if she will order it before we

> meet, that

> way she can have all the results ready for us to discuss at

> our

> appointment. I'm not sure she'll do it without

> seeing me first but I'm

> sure gonna try. I can't see any reason she wouldn't

> if I talk to her

> nurse and get everything in order. It's actually a time

> saver for her

> as well.

>

>

> > >

> > >> From: skywalker45_99

> <skywalker45_99@...>

> > >> Subject: Talking to my doc

> again.

> > >>

> > >> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 1:52 PM

> > >> OK so I have an appointment to see my doc in

> September. Can

> > >> you

> > >> friggin' believe it takes THAT long to

> get in to see

> > >> her? I may have

> > >> to look for another doc but I really hate to.

> So, when I go

> > >> I'm going

> > >> to have a very long chat with her about the

> 326 total T

> > >> reading last

> > >> November and also about all the tests I want

> her to run but

> > >> I'm going

> > >> to hit a brick wall and need some advice.

> > >>

> > >> She WILL run all the labs this time because

> she would have

> > >> last time

> > >> even though admitting if anything was out of

> normal she

> > >> wouldn't know

> > >> how to pursue it unless it was just low T.

> This time

> > >> I'm going to try

> > >> to convince her to run all the labs and then

> when they come

> > >> back I'll

> > >> come back in when she has time (hopefully

> soon after) and

> > >> we'll

> > >> discuss them and that also I would like to

> bring another

> > >> doctor on

> > >> board to help her with the test results

> should she need it,

> > >> etc. You

> > >> see, there is a fine line here whether we

> want to admit it

> > >> or not. I'm

> > >> walking into an office whose lab thinks 326

> is normal for a

> > >> man my

> > >> age, asking for obscure lab work, and then

> possibly will be

> > >> asking for

> > >> her to prescribe a schedule III controlled

> substance to me

> > >> with really

> > >> no good reason in her eyes other than I'd

> feel better

> > >> assuming my labs

> > >> are just grazing the low point of the labs

> range.

> > >>

> > >> So before I embark on this can I ask you all

> who are/were

> > >> in a similar

> > >> situation about how you handled this with

> your doc? Since

> > >> my total T

> > >> was normal last time (100 points above the

> lab basement)

> > >> and no free T

> > >> test was done how can I convince her that

> something is

> > >> wrong? Of

> > >> course this is all just hearsay now because I

> believe my

> > >> labs are

> > >> going to turn up something that was missed,

> like low free T

> > >> or high

> > >> E2, etc. Thanks for the time.

> > >>

> >

>

>

>

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>

>