Re: Need to lower my T for HRT

[Guest guest]

It's not about insurance you need to find a Dr. that will treat you by how you

feel not your labs. Stil a level of 400 or less is normal for a man 80 to 100

yrs old tell your Dr. this the normal range is made for men age 18 to 100 if

your in the bottom % or the range your and feel bad your to low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Need to lower my T for HRT

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:27 PM

> I will be seeing a urologist in sept.

> for yearly followup concerning my past with testicular

> cancer. I will be discussing HRT as my serum T is 388. I'm

> only 49 an I feel like crap with most of the low T

> symptoms.

>

> I feel I have to get my level down to the 320 +/- level so

> i couldn't be denied the the help i need. I feel this act of

> despiration is needed. I will be doing this by consuming

> phytoestrogen rich foods. Are there any other ways, without

> getting crazy, to lower the T?

>

> I don't have the resources to go outside of my insurance.

> I'm sure many here understand the situation.

>

> Thanks very much.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have tried to convey to 3 doctors how I am feeling. All they do is look at the

number. I'M GD FRUSTRATED!WTF. Doctors don't care how you feel if your numbers

are still in range, at least the ones that I have seen.

>

> > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> > Subject: Need to lower my T for HRT

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:27 PM

> > I will be seeing a urologist in sept.

> > for yearly followup concerning my past with testicular

> > cancer. I will be discussing HRT as my serum T is 388. I'm

> > only 49 an I feel like crap with most of the low T

> > symptoms.

> >

> > I feel I have to get my level down to the 320 +/- level so

> > i couldn't be denied the the help i need. I feel this act of

> > despiration is needed. I will be doing this by consuming

> > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are there any other ways, without

> > getting crazy, to lower the T?

> >

> > I don't have the resources to go outside of my insurance.

> > I'm sure many here understand the situation.

> >

> > Thanks very much.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Jim,

You may have already addressed this in another email, but have you explored the

possibility of other hormones related to testosterone causing your problems?

For instance, estrogen (particularly estradiol) can be elevated in men over 40,

and beyond a certain point (above 30-35 pg/mL or so), it can blunt the effects

of testosterone & /or keep testosterone levels lower than " normal " . Hence the

men who explored the use of Arimidex to lower excess estradiol and bring

testosterone back up.

You can order blood tests for yourself without a doctor's appointment to see how

much testosterone and estradiol you have. These results may shed light on other

routes you might take to raise testosterone without playing the endless game of

waiting for doctor approval for TRT.

~Xian

> >

> > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@>

> > > Subject: Need to lower my T for HRT

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:27 PM

> > > I will be seeing a urologist in sept.

> > > for yearly followup concerning my past with testicular

> > > cancer. I will be discussing HRT as my serum T is 388. I'm

> > > only 49 an I feel like crap with most of the low T

> > > symptoms.

> > >

> > > I feel I have to get my level down to the 320 +/- level so

> > > i couldn't be denied the the help i need. I feel this act of

> > > despiration is needed. I will be doing this by consuming

> > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are there any other ways, without

> > > getting crazy, to lower the T?

> > >

> > > I don't have the resources to go outside of my insurance.

> > > I'm sure many here understand the situation.

> > >

> > > Thanks very much.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Read " Finding a Male Hormone Dr. " in the files section at the home page on the

left side. Call Dr.'s and ask questions try to fine a DO Dr. they are dam good

with hormones as long as the DO Dr. is not an Endo.

http://www.geocities.com/chrisgjsbcglobal (DOT) net/Osteopaths.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Need to lower my T for HRT

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 1:48 PM

> I have tried to convey to 3 doctors

> how I am feeling. All they do is look at the number. I'M GD

> FRUSTRATED!WTF. Doctors don't care how you feel if your

> numbers are still in range, at least the ones that I have

> seen.

>

>

> >

> > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> > > Subject: Need to lower my T for

> HRT

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:27 PM

> > > I will be seeing a urologist in sept.

> > > for yearly followup concerning my past with

> testicular

> > > cancer. I will be discussing HRT as my serum T is

> 388. I'm

> > > only 49 an I feel like crap with most of the low

> T

> > > symptoms.

> > >

> > > I feel I have to get my level down to the 320 +/-

> level so

> > > i couldn't be denied the the help i need. I feel

> this act of

> > > despiration is needed. I will be doing this by

> consuming

> > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are there any other

> ways, without

> > > getting crazy, to lower the T?

> > >

> > > I don't have the resources to go outside of my

> insurance.

> > > I'm sure many here understand the situation.

> > >

> > > Thanks very much.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Phil, why is it that the Endo and Uro's who SHOULD be the best qualified T Docs,

aren't?

-Wilfred

> > >

> > > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@>

> > > > Subject: Need to lower my T for

> > HRT

> > > >

> > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:27 PM

> > > > I will be seeing a urologist in sept.

> > > > for yearly followup concerning my past with

> > testicular

> > > > cancer. I will be discussing HRT as my serum T is

> > 388. I'm

> > > > only 49 an I feel like crap with most of the low

> > T

> > > > symptoms.

> > > >

> > > > I feel I have to get my level down to the 320 +/-

> > level so

> > > > i couldn't be denied the the help i need. I feel

> > this act of

> > > > despiration is needed. I will be doing this by

> > consuming

> > > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are there any other

> > ways, without

> > > > getting crazy, to lower the T?

> > > >

> > > > I don't have the resources to go outside of my

> > insurance.

> > > > I'm sure many here understand the situation.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks very much.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I just don't know every family Dr. out there feels they should know because of

there title Endo's as it turns out they are only good for diabetes I have read

many posts by people that seen one for there thyroid and they push Synthroid a

T4 only med on them and when they tell the Dr. they don't feel well he offers

them Prozac WTF Dr.'s that do this need to be sued. The only person that should

be able to give out Anti-Depressant drugs a Dr. of Psychiatry. And today most

of them before giving out AD meds will test Testosterone. In the UK and other

Gov. health care Country's some or most of the Endo's know about Testosterone

but have guidelines to follow as to when they can treat this.

In all the posts I have read over the yrs. I have see only 2 post they have a

good Endo.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Need to lower my T for HRT

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 4:31 PM

> Phil, why is it that the Endo and

> Uro's who SHOULD be the best qualified T Docs, aren't?

>

> -Wilfred

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > Subject: Need to lower

> my T for

> > > HRT

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:27

> PM

> > > > > I will be seeing a urologist in sept.

> > > > > for yearly followup concerning my past

> with

> > > testicular

> > > > > cancer. I will be discussing HRT as my

> serum T is

> > > 388. I'm

> > > > > only 49 an I feel like crap with most

> of the low

> > > T

> > > > > symptoms.

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel I have to get my level down to

> the 320 +/-

> > > level so

> > > > > i couldn't be denied the the help i

> need. I feel

> > > this act of

> > > > > despiration is needed. I will be doing

> this by

> > > consuming

> > > > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are there any

> other

> > > ways, without

> > > > > getting crazy, to lower the T?

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't have the resources to go

> outside of my

> > > insurance.

> > > > > I'm sure many here understand the

> situation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks very much.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Xian,

I fully realize that other hormones may be a part of all this. I am open to

whatever a doctor says when I find one that is willing to help me. In my

upcoming appt., I want the doc to do a full hormone screening. Then go from

there. It's just that most docs that aren't that knowledgable simply look at the

serum T #. If I'm barely in range, that's good enough for them. It doesn't

matter if my # is that of an 85 year old man. I need to drive that # down so low

as to make them take notice. It's insane.

I believe this is a good path to take. The doc that I will be seeing has some

knowledge of a mans hormones. This I know as fact. I will work from here. As for

ordering the blood tests myself, I can't afford this. Money is tight. I must go

through my insurance.

Have a good one,

Jim

> > >

> > > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@>

> > > > Subject: Need to lower my T for HRT

> > > >

> > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:27 PM

> > > > I will be seeing a urologist in sept.

> > > > for yearly followup concerning my past with testicular

> > > > cancer. I will be discussing HRT as my serum T is 388. I'm

> > > > only 49 an I feel like crap with most of the low T

> > > > symptoms.

> > > >

> > > > I feel I have to get my level down to the 320 +/- level so

> > > > i couldn't be denied the the help i need. I feel this act of

> > > > despiration is needed. I will be doing this by consuming

> > > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are there any other ways, without

> > > > getting crazy, to lower the T?

> > > >

> > > > I don't have the resources to go outside of my insurance.

> > > > I'm sure many here understand the situation.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks very much.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

You hit nail on the head. Most Endos only are good with diabetes or womens

hormones. They have no idea about a mans hormones. Most urologists only know

about a mans prostate. If uros stated giving out TRT, they would find the

prostate problem going away. They may put themselves out of business. LOL.

I frequenty a testicular cancer website. I hear the same things I'm going

through time and time again. It's sickening. In 10-15 yrs, HRT will be common

practice.

Take care,

Jim

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > > Subject: Need to lower

> > my T for

> > > > HRT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:27

> > PM

> > > > > > I will be seeing a urologist in sept.

> > > > > > for yearly followup concerning my past

> > with

> > > > testicular

> > > > > > cancer. I will be discussing HRT as my

> > serum T is

> > > > 388. I'm

> > > > > > only 49 an I feel like crap with most

> > of the low

> > > > T

> > > > > > symptoms.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I feel I have to get my level down to

> > the 320 +/-

> > > > level so

> > > > > > i couldn't be denied the the help i

> > need. I feel

> > > > this act of

> > > > > > despiration is needed. I will be doing

> > this by

> > > > consuming

> > > > > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are there any

> > other

> > > > ways, without

> > > > > > getting crazy, to lower the T?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't have the resources to go

> > outside of my

> > > > insurance.

> > > > > > I'm sure many here understand the

> > situation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks very much.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

There is and interist in the physcians database that is somewhat close to where

I live. He takes my insurance as well. I will be seeing my primary doc in 2

weeks to talk about my cholesterol problem. I want to get a refferal to see him.

I believe he may be able to help me as well as the uro that I will be seeing in

Sept.

Jim

> > >

> > > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@>

> > > > Subject: Need to lower my T for

> > HRT

> > > >

> > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:27 PM

> > > > I will be seeing a urologist in sept.

> > > > for yearly followup concerning my past with

> > testicular

> > > > cancer. I will be discussing HRT as my serum T is

> > 388. I'm

> > > > only 49 an I feel like crap with most of the low

> > T

> > > > symptoms.

> > > >

> > > > I feel I have to get my level down to the 320 +/-

> > level so

> > > > i couldn't be denied the the help i need. I feel

> > this act of

> > > > despiration is needed. I will be doing this by

> > consuming

> > > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are there any other

> > ways, without

> > > > getting crazy, to lower the T?

> > > >

> > > > I don't have the resources to go outside of my

> > insurance.

> > > > I'm sure many here understand the situation.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks very much.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Jim we had men here that had cancer and went on TRT and were doing so good they

don't post anymore.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Need to lower my T for HRT

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 6:01 PM

> Phil,

>

> You hit nail on the head. Most Endos only are good with

> diabetes or womens hormones. They have no idea about a mans

> hormones. Most urologists only know about a mans prostate.

> If uros stated giving out TRT, they would find the prostate

> problem going away. They may put themselves out of business.

> LOL.

>

> I frequenty a testicular cancer website. I hear the same

> things I'm going through time and time again. It's

> sickening. In 10-15 yrs, HRT will be common practice.

>

> Take care,

> Jim

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: virtuosa150

> <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > > > Subject: Need

> to lower

> > > my T for

> > > > > HRT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11,

> 2009, 8:27

> > > PM

> > > > > > > I will be seeing a urologist

> in sept.

> > > > > > > for yearly followup

> concerning my past

> > > with

> > > > > testicular

> > > > > > > cancer. I will be discussing

> HRT as my

> > > serum T is

> > > > > 388. I'm

> > > > > > > only 49 an I feel like crap

> with most

> > > of the low

> > > > > T

> > > > > > > symptoms.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I feel I have to get my level

> down to

> > > the 320 +/-

> > > > > level so

> > > > > > > i couldn't be denied the the

> help i

> > > need. I feel

> > > > > this act of

> > > > > > > despiration is needed. I will

> be doing

> > > this by

> > > > > consuming

> > > > > > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are

> there any

> > > other

> > > > > ways, without

> > > > > > > getting crazy, to lower the

> T?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't have the resources to

> go

> > > outside of my

> > > > > insurance.

> > > > > > > I'm sure many here understand

> the

> > > situation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks very much.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Great but still call and ask questions before seeing him so your sure.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Need to lower my T for HRT

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 6:05 PM

> Phil,

>

> There is and interist in the physcians database that is

> somewhat close to where I live. He takes my insurance as

> well. I will be seeing my primary doc in 2 weeks to talk

> about my cholesterol problem. I want to get a refferal to

> see him. I believe he may be able to help me as well as the

> uro that I will be seeing in Sept.

>

> Jim

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > Subject: Need to lower

> my T for

> > > HRT

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:27

> PM

> > > > > I will be seeing a urologist in sept.

> > > > > for yearly followup concerning my past

> with

> > > testicular

> > > > > cancer. I will be discussing HRT as my

> serum T is

> > > 388. I'm

> > > > > only 49 an I feel like crap with most

> of the low

> > > T

> > > > > symptoms.

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel I have to get my level down to

> the 320 +/-

> > > level so

> > > > > i couldn't be denied the the help i

> need. I feel

> > > this act of

> > > > > despiration is needed. I will be doing

> this by

> > > consuming

> > > > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are there any

> other

> > > ways, without

> > > > > getting crazy, to lower the T?

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't have the resources to go

> outside of my

> > > insurance.

> > > > > I'm sure many here understand the

> situation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks very much.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I hope that after I'm squared away that I will continue to try to help guys that

are struggling. I see a path of hope with HRT. it's said that 13 million men

suffer with the symptoms of low T. Can you imagine what the benefits to the GDP

would be if a good percentage of that 13 million were helped? Can you imagine

the number of wives that wouldn't get a good nights sleep because their husbands

are horny? How about the savings in health costs? pitch this to Obama.

maybe I'll run for president next time. My platform will be " TRT for every guy " .

Who wouldn't vote for me?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: virtuosa150

> > <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > > > > Subject: Need

> > to lower

> > > > my T for

> > > > > > HRT

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11,

> > 2009, 8:27

> > > > PM

> > > > > > > > I will be seeing a urologist

> > in sept.

> > > > > > > > for yearly followup

> > concerning my past

> > > > with

> > > > > > testicular

> > > > > > > > cancer. I will be discussing

> > HRT as my

> > > > serum T is

> > > > > > 388. I'm

> > > > > > > > only 49 an I feel like crap

> > with most

> > > > of the low

> > > > > > T

> > > > > > > > symptoms.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I feel I have to get my level

> > down to

> > > > the 320 +/-

> > > > > > level so

> > > > > > > > i couldn't be denied the the

> > help i

> > > > need. I feel

> > > > > > this act of

> > > > > > > > despiration is needed. I will

> > be doing

> > > > this by

> > > > > > consuming

> > > > > > > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are

> > there any

> > > > other

> > > > > > ways, without

> > > > > > > > getting crazy, to lower the

> > T?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't have the resources to

> > go

> > > > outside of my

> > > > > > insurance.

> > > > > > > > I'm sure many here understand

> > the

> > > > situation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks very much.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Incidentally, how are you feeling today from you WO the other day with weights?

A bit more sore than yesterday?

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > > Subject: Need to lower

> > my T for

> > > > HRT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:27

> > PM

> > > > > > I will be seeing a urologist in sept.

> > > > > > for yearly followup concerning my past

> > with

> > > > testicular

> > > > > > cancer. I will be discussing HRT as my

> > serum T is

> > > > 388. I'm

> > > > > > only 49 an I feel like crap with most

> > of the low

> > > > T

> > > > > > symptoms.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I feel I have to get my level down to

> > the 320 +/-

> > > > level so

> > > > > > i couldn't be denied the the help i

> > need. I feel

> > > > this act of

> > > > > > despiration is needed. I will be doing

> > this by

> > > > consuming

> > > > > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are there any

> > other

> > > > ways, without

> > > > > > getting crazy, to lower the T?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't have the resources to go

> > outside of my

> > > > insurance.

> > > > > > I'm sure many here understand the

> > situation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks very much.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I am not doing bad just a little sore but it's a good sore feeling I skiped

working out today will pick it back up Fri.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Need to lower my T for HRT

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 6:51 PM

> Incidentally, how are you feeling

> today from you WO the other day with weights? A bit more

> sore than yesterday?

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: virtuosa150

> <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > > > Subject: Need

> to lower

> > > my T for

> > > > > HRT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11,

> 2009, 8:27

> > > PM

> > > > > > > I will be seeing a urologist

> in sept.

> > > > > > > for yearly followup

> concerning my past

> > > with

> > > > > testicular

> > > > > > > cancer. I will be discussing

> HRT as my

> > > serum T is

> > > > > 388. I'm

> > > > > > > only 49 an I feel like crap

> with most

> > > of the low

> > > > > T

> > > > > > > symptoms.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I feel I have to get my level

> down to

> > > the 320 +/-

> > > > > level so

> > > > > > > i couldn't be denied the the

> help i

> > > need. I feel

> > > > > this act of

> > > > > > > despiration is needed. I will

> be doing

> > > this by

> > > > > consuming

> > > > > > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are

> there any

> > > other

> > > > > ways, without

> > > > > > > getting crazy, to lower the

> T?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't have the resources to

> go

> > > outside of my

> > > > > insurance.

> > > > > > > I'm sure many here understand

> the

> > > situation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks very much.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Research Glutamine supplementation for the muscle pain and recovery. Up your

protein consumption a bit.

I used to be an animal in the weight room, before my testicular cancer. I went

from a lean (10% body fat) 6'4 " at 210 before the TC to 165 lbs, 6 months after

the TC. I was skin and bone. This was 2002-2003. I then went from that in 2004

to a (14 % BF) 215 lb. to about 2 yrs ago. Then, everything STOPPED, and the low

T set in.

I've worked hard to get to where I am, and will not give up. Never. Although

never meeting you personally, I feel a kin to your struggles.

Work slowly and take care of your joints. Try the Tnation.com (over 35 lifter

section) for great info.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: virtuosa150

> > <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > > > > Subject: Need

> > to lower

> > > > my T for

> > > > > > HRT

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11,

> > 2009, 8:27

> > > > PM

> > > > > > > > I will be seeing a urologist

> > in sept.

> > > > > > > > for yearly followup

> > concerning my past

> > > > with

> > > > > > testicular

> > > > > > > > cancer. I will be discussing

> > HRT as my

> > > > serum T is

> > > > > > 388. I'm

> > > > > > > > only 49 an I feel like crap

> > with most

> > > > of the low

> > > > > > T

> > > > > > > > symptoms.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I feel I have to get my level

> > down to

> > > > the 320 +/-

> > > > > > level so

> > > > > > > > i couldn't be denied the the

> > help i

> > > > need. I feel

> > > > > > this act of

> > > > > > > > despiration is needed. I will

> > be doing

> > > > this by

> > > > > > consuming

> > > > > > > > phytoestrogen rich foods. Are

> > there any

> > > > other

> > > > > > ways, without

> > > > > > > > getting crazy, to lower the

> > T?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't have the resources to

> > go

> > > > outside of my

> > > > > > insurance.

> > > > > > > > I'm sure many here understand

> > the

> > > > situation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks very much.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks I am on Glucosamine HCI 1500 MGS. – Chondroitin Sulface 1200 mgs.

2x/day. Dr. put me on it when I got out of the hosp. last Feb. It helps a lot

my knees are much better. When I was 9 yrs old I broke my elbow it was called a

powder fracture the Dr. at the time that fixed it was in Germany learning about

fixing this type of break. My arm had to be re broken and they did sugary on it

putting in pins. After all of this and about a yr. in a cast of and on my arm

was just bone no muscle.

I needed Therapy but dad was out of money so the we found a coach at the YMCA

that gave me free Phy. Therapy and after this he got me into Olympic Weight

lifting. At 16 I was the 3rd runner up in the Detroit Jr. Olympic Weight lifting

competition. I would have own but my arm will not go straight and the judge

said I did not have the weight up with my arms locked.

I got dam mad over this and Quit and went into bodybuilding I went from 220 lbs

down to 175 I am 5'11 " tall at age 21 I was real cut. I got married worked 58

hrs + a week had no time for the Gym. But I kept at it at home. I love working

out and your story helps me to know I can get back.

This dam low Testosterone did me in big time for the first 23 yrs I could not

get any exercise was to fatigued. I guess my heart was also bad from the get

go. Today I want to get down to 180 lbs and I what my body to be strong again.

Even at age 65 I feel this can be done.

I follow the Weight Watchers Program but my Dr. told me to eat mostly protein to

help my body heal from heart bypass sugary but lose weight.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Need to lower my T for HRT

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 8:10 PM

> Phil,

> Research Glutamine supplementation for the muscle pain and

> recovery. Up your protein consumption a bit.

>

> I used to be an animal in the weight room, before my

> testicular cancer. I went from a lean (10% body fat) 6'4 " at

> 210 before the TC to 165 lbs, 6 months after the TC. I was

> skin and bone. This was 2002-2003. I then went from that in

> 2004 to a (14 % BF) 215 lb. to about 2 yrs ago. Then,

> everything STOPPED, and the low T set in.

>

> I've worked hard to get to where I am, and will not give

> up. Never. Although never meeting you personally, I feel a

> kin to your struggles.

> Work slowly and take care of your joints. Try the

> Tnation.com (over 35 lifter section) for great info.

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From: virtuosa150

> > > <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > > > > > Subject:

> Need

> > > to lower

> > > > > my T for

> > > > > > > HRT

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday,

> August 11,

> > > 2009, 8:27

> > > > > PM

> > > > > > > > > I will be seeing a

> urologist

> > > in sept.

> > > > > > > > > for yearly

> followup

> > > concerning my past

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > testicular

> > > > > > > > > cancer. I will be

> discussing

> > > HRT as my

> > > > > serum T is

> > > > > > > 388. I'm

> > > > > > > > > only 49 an I feel

> like crap

> > > with most

> > > > > of the low

> > > > > > > T

> > > > > > > > > symptoms.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I feel I have to

> get my level

> > > down to

> > > > > the 320 +/-

> > > > > > > level so

> > > > > > > > > i couldn't be

> denied the the

> > > help i

> > > > > need. I feel

> > > > > > > this act of

> > > > > > > > > despiration is

> needed. I will

> > > be doing

> > > > > this by

> > > > > > > consuming

> > > > > > > > > phytoestrogen rich

> foods. Are

> > > there any

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > ways, without

> > > > > > > > > getting crazy, to

> lower the

> > > T?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I don't have the

> resources to

> > > go

> > > > > outside of my

> > > > > > > insurance.

> > > > > > > > > I'm sure many here

> understand

> > > the

> > > > > situation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks very much.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >     mailto: -fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

There's no reason why a man your age couldn't build some muscle if his hormones

are up to snuff.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From: virtuosa150

> > > > <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > Need

> > > > to lower

> > > > > > my T for

> > > > > > > > HRT

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday,

> > August 11,

> > > > 2009, 8:27

> > > > > > PM

> > > > > > > > > > I will be seeing a

> > urologist

> > > > in sept.

> > > > > > > > > > for yearly

> > followup

> > > > concerning my past

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > testicular

> > > > > > > > > > cancer. I will be

> > discussing

> > > > HRT as my

> > > > > > serum T is

> > > > > > > > 388. I'm

> > > > > > > > > > only 49 an I feel

> > like crap

> > > > with most

> > > > > > of the low

> > > > > > > > T

> > > > > > > > > > symptoms.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I feel I have to

> > get my level

> > > > down to

> > > > > > the 320 +/-

> > > > > > > > level so

> > > > > > > > > > i couldn't be

> > denied the the

> > > > help i

> > > > > > need. I feel

> > > > > > > > this act of

> > > > > > > > > > despiration is

> > needed. I will

> > > > be doing

> > > > > > this by

> > > > > > > > consuming

> > > > > > > > > > phytoestrogen rich

> > foods. Are

> > > > there any

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > ways, without

> > > > > > > > > > getting crazy, to

> > lower the

> > > > T?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I don't have the

> > resources to

> > > > go

> > > > > > outside of my

> > > > > > > > insurance.

> > > > > > > > > > I'm sure many here

> > understand

> > > > the

> > > > > > situation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks very much.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

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