Re: Just a thought about in general.

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I have been on my Chinese medicine for three weeks now and feel quite well.

Touch wood, I have had no attacks or real pain - just niggles now and again

and not so many now. I feel less anxious, if you can understand that, and sleep

better. I didn't feel this well when I was taking the supplements and

enzymes, although I felt ok and certainly better than when I was having and

after

the gb attacks. When I was hospitalised and given powerful drugs and

anti-biotics, I could smell them coming out of my pores - took me weeks to get

rid of

that smell. I also felt as though my mind wasn't my own - land of the fairies

stuff! This medicine is different; I can feel it doing something, it's like

it's stripping dirt away from my insides. I can feel it working all the time.

The herbal decoction, when boiled up and strained, is really, really bitter

and I sometimes think that my tastebuds have been stripped away but it's a

small price to pay if I can keep my gb and get healthy again. You take a cup

half an hour after breakfast and evening meals. I haven't been a saint in the

food department but have not gone mad either, am just eating in moderation,

although am keeping off salads, dairy, caffeine, (most fats - though not

religiously) and cold drinks which are bad for the kidneys and digestive system

when

you are ill. The Chinese doctor said that the stuff she is giving me will

dissolve the stones down so that they will pass out in bowel movements

eventually

and thinks it will take a couple of months to sort it out. It is a sort of

flush. She is an amazingly calm person and I think it is wearing off on me.

I feel very safe in her care, more than I did with the hospital consultant,

who scared me. I suppose it is because she knows what she is prescribing/doing

in a natural way. It's been around for thousands of years, so there must be

something right about it.

When you take supplements, etc sometimes it's a bit hit and miss and you

never truly know if you are overdoing it/mixing the wrong supplements, etc. At

least that's how I felt. I just read up on them and took what I thought was

right. After the stones are cleared I suppose I will have to watch what I eat

so as not to develop anymore of the little blighters! That is just common

sense. I will then follow a liver friendly diet as prescribed on this site by

the extremely informative members and do the liver cleanse for a full spring

clean! The Chinese doctor has told me to get an ultrasound in a month to

determine the size/count of stones; then, if I want, I can do ultrasounds

periodically to see how well it is working, if the conventional doctor will ok

the

ultrasound. If not, will just have to find a doctor who is sympathetic to this

type of medicine. The herbs have cleared up a multitude of sins (apart from

the pain and nausea) including a flushed complexion and foggy vision.

Period this time was much less painful, too. I am much even tempered (wish it

could do something for my intelligence!!) My tongue is much cleaner and

fresher (apparently, a coated tongue is a sign of malfunctioning internal

organs).

Stools are normal colour. I am still a little tired, but nothing compared to

how it was before. Anyway, I am a single mum of three doing a university

course, running a household alone - no wonder I am tired! Seriously though, I

suppose, like everything, it will take time to get better. Her prescription

is a little secretive, but I don't care as long as the gb improves and stones

go. Sorry that I can't pass on anymore about the ingredients of the herb

treatment. Her shop is part of a national chain in the UK and not some little

mystical shop in a back alleyway in downtown Chinatown, if you know what I mean.

It's all up front. It's not cheap either (will cost about £400 for my

course of treatment) but I was paying £70 a month in supplements/digestive

healers

anyway and it would have taken me much longer to clear the gb, so in the long

run I think it is worth it. I got a book on Chinese herbal secrets from the

library and identified a few of the herbs prescribed and would suggest that

if anybody wants to try and treat themselves this way or gen up on it, to get

an afore-mentioned book or research it on the net (sorry for being so obvious).

I found the library book more helpful and informative. I suppose you could

order in the herbs and carry out a do it yourself treatment and maybe save

money this way but I could never be that organised!

Some might poo poo this type of medicine, but each to their own I say. If

you have faith in whatever " medicine " you are taking, be it conventional or

alternative, to help yourself then that's half the battle over with. Hope this

gives some of you the faith to carry on helping yourselves to get your health

back up to par.

Good health.

[Guest guest]

I think everyone with gallstones has done tons of research, there are just

so many different opinions and so many different options that it is

impossible to know everything. i have spent countless hours on the internet

and at the library and talking to people in the same sitution and also

talking to natural health professionals and every one has something

diffferent to say. Since nothing having to do with natural approaches is

proven and not everyone has the same results it is good to try everything

and find differnt opinions and options so that you can find the best one for

you. and some times it is nice to talk to people that can relate.

>From: " Vanadeux " <vanadeux@...>

>Reply-gallstones

><gallstones >

>Subject: Just a thought about in general.

>Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:09:15 +0100

>

>I think these groups are a brilliant idea, especially as they are free,

>but I do think sometimes we are all guilty as members, of expecting/hoping

>for all our answers to come via the other group members.

>

>The information available is usually due to individual members doing their

>own research and passing on to the group. Also their own experiences

>with products etc.

>

>Sometimes I feel that this balance is very much in favour of the few

>doing the research and the others hoping/expecting to get information.

>

>I feel that in general all these groups keep going very well, but could

>easily dry up if only the minority do the research.

>

> A group can keep churning over the same bits and pieces of information

>for a long time, with no fresh angles of info, if people just hope for

>answers - without doing their own individual research.

>

>I am of course making some assumptions, here, as possibly many people do

>their own research but just do not pass it on to the group? Also I am not

>thinking of anyone in particular or making any subtle accusations!

>

>I realise that people may think why on earth is she writing this, but its

>just my thoughts as they stand today.

>

>ANNE

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 02:39 PM 22-05-03 -0500, remsmom01 stated:

>Since nothing having to do with natural approaches is

>proven and not everyone has the same results it is good to try everything

>and find differnt opinions and options so that you can find the best one for

>you. and some times it is nice to talk to people that can relate.

Why do you suppose it is that nothing is proven?

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[Guest guest]

I totally agree with you, the chinese medicine and the accupunture helped me

soooo much. I actually liked the herbs though!! call me crazy. I wish I

could have afforded to keep going, maybe I would still have my gallbladder.

>From: SEMMARIA@...

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: Re: Just a thought about in general.

>Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:17:27 EDT

>

>

>

>Hello,

>

>I have been on my Chinese medicine for three weeks now and feel quite well.

>Touch wood, I have had no attacks or real pain - just niggles now and again

>and not so many now. I feel less anxious, if you can understand that, and

>sleep

>better. I didn't feel this well when I was taking the supplements and

>enzymes, although I felt ok and certainly better than when I was having and

>after

>the gb attacks. When I was hospitalised and given powerful drugs and

>anti-biotics, I could smell them coming out of my pores - took me weeks to

>get rid of

>that smell. I also felt as though my mind wasn't my own - land of the

>fairies

>stuff! This medicine is different; I can feel it doing something, it's

>like

>it's stripping dirt away from my insides. I can feel it working all the

>time.

> The herbal decoction, when boiled up and strained, is really, really

>bitter

>and I sometimes think that my tastebuds have been stripped away but it's a

>small price to pay if I can keep my gb and get healthy again. You take a

>cup

>half an hour after breakfast and evening meals. I haven't been a saint in

>the

>food department but have not gone mad either, am just eating in moderation,

>although am keeping off salads, dairy, caffeine, (most fats - though not

>religiously) and cold drinks which are bad for the kidneys and digestive

>system when

>you are ill. The Chinese doctor said that the stuff she is giving me will

>dissolve the stones down so that they will pass out in bowel movements

>eventually

>and thinks it will take a couple of months to sort it out. It is a sort of

>flush. She is an amazingly calm person and I think it is wearing off on

>me.

>I feel very safe in her care, more than I did with the hospital consultant,

>who scared me. I suppose it is because she knows what she is

>prescribing/doing

>in a natural way. It's been around for thousands of years, so there must

>be

>something right about it.

>

>When you take supplements, etc sometimes it's a bit hit and miss and you

>never truly know if you are overdoing it/mixing the wrong supplements, etc.

> At

>least that's how I felt. I just read up on them and took what I thought

>was

>right. After the stones are cleared I suppose I will have to watch what

>I eat

>so as not to develop anymore of the little blighters! That is just common

>sense. I will then follow a liver friendly diet as prescribed on this

>site by

>the extremely informative members and do the liver cleanse for a full

>spring

>clean! The Chinese doctor has told me to get an ultrasound in a month to

>determine the size/count of stones; then, if I want, I can do ultrasounds

>periodically to see how well it is working, if the conventional doctor will

>ok the

>ultrasound. If not, will just have to find a doctor who is sympathetic to

>this

>type of medicine. The herbs have cleared up a multitude of sins (apart

>from

>the pain and nausea) including a flushed complexion and foggy vision.

>Period this time was much less painful, too. I am much even tempered

>(wish it

>could do something for my intelligence!!) My tongue is much cleaner and

>fresher (apparently, a coated tongue is a sign of malfunctioning internal

>organs).

>Stools are normal colour. I am still a little tired, but nothing compared

>to

>how it was before. Anyway, I am a single mum of three doing a university

>course, running a household alone - no wonder I am tired! Seriously

>though, I

>suppose, like everything, it will take time to get better. Her

>prescription

>is a little secretive, but I don't care as long as the gb improves and

>stones

>go. Sorry that I can't pass on anymore about the ingredients of the herb

>treatment. Her shop is part of a national chain in the UK and not some

>little

>mystical shop in a back alleyway in downtown Chinatown, if you know what I

>mean.

> It's all up front. It's not cheap either (will cost about £400 for my

>course of treatment) but I was paying £70 a month in supplements/digestive

>healers

>anyway and it would have taken me much longer to clear the gb, so in the

>long

>run I think it is worth it. I got a book on Chinese herbal secrets from

>the

>library and identified a few of the herbs prescribed and would suggest that

>if anybody wants to try and treat themselves this way or gen up on it, to

>get

>an afore-mentioned book or research it on the net (sorry for being so

>obvious).

> I found the library book more helpful and informative. I suppose you

>could

>order in the herbs and carry out a do it yourself treatment and maybe save

>money this way but I could never be that organised!

>

>Some might poo poo this type of medicine, but each to their own I say. If

>you have faith in whatever " medicine " you are taking, be it conventional or

>alternative, to help yourself then that's half the battle over with. Hope

>this

>gives some of you the faith to carry on helping yourselves to get your

>health

>back up to par.

>

>Good health.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nobody has taken the time to do the controlled studys, I guess. I personally

dont need it to be proven to try it. Alot of things have been done for so

long they are just known to do certain things. I think even natural remedies

are like pharmaceuticals in the way that certain things work for certain

people and if one thing doesnt work , just try another.

>From: Mashteen Baqir <mashteenbaqir@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: Re: Just a thought about in general.

>Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:04:45 +0300

>

>At 02:39 PM 22-05-03 -0500, remsmom01 stated:

>

> >Since nothing having to do with natural approaches is

> >proven and not everyone has the same results it is good to try everything

> >and find differnt opinions and options so that you can find the best one

>for

> >you. and some times it is nice to talk to people that can relate.

>

>Why do you suppose it is that nothing is proven?

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

If it is proven scientifically, alot of doctors, surgeons and drug companies

will lose a lot of money.

[Guest guest]

, this sounds interesting. Could you share the names of the

herbs with the group.

--- SEMMARIA@a... wrote:

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have been on my Chinese medicine for three weeks now and feel

quite well.

> Touch wood, I have had no attacks or real pain - just niggles now

and again

> and not so many now. ........you could

> order in the herbs and carry out a do it yourself treatment and

maybe save

> money this way but I could never be that organised!

>