Re: new lab results, I would like some help understanding

[Guest guest]

Crap I made some mistakes in my last post.

When I said " being harassed by a lab who didn't want to stop chit-chatting with

a waiting room full of people "

I meant " being harassed by a lab techs who didn't want to stop chit-chatting

with each other when they had a waiting room full of people "

When I said " I also have sex organs. "

I meant was " I also have NO sex organs "

Also I figured I had low b12 and started shots the day after the test which

helped with some things like appetiate and awareness when I wake up in the

morning.

trannyboy

[Guest guest]

Good to hear from you again, trannyboy. Hope you're doing better now after that

ordeal.

Thoughts-

*Your TSH is at a level " suspicious " for hypothyroidism, according to the

American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists revision (from 5.0 to 3.0

miu/mL - http://thyroid.about.com/cs/testsforthyroid/a/labs2003.htm). Yet your

free T4 looks good & your free T3 looks high. Not sure how long it would take

stress to affect TSH, but it definitely affects the thyroid hormones more

quickly.

Since sleep deprivation seems to mess everything up (lowering hGH & total

testosterone, etc.), how would your current results for thyroid tests compare to

test results without this stress ( & the others you mentioned)?

*Regarding cortisol-

Inflammation from both your abscess & other stress would increase cortisol &

decrease DHEA, but then it gets tricky. Your cortisol in the morning is much

lower than mine was (different reference range though) when I took an AM blood

test & had no infection/illness (but for me, fasting is a huge stress). The

combined stressors may account for all of your adrenal results, & may not be

your usual levels. But are you still having difficulty sleeping?

Probably not as helpful as Mike or Phil, but my two cents.

~Xian

>

> Hi guys, I am back with some new test results. For almost the last year I

haven't had proper doctors/ insurance, so I have been waiting a long time for

this blood work. I have had signs of thyroid and adrenal issues all my life and

been on HRT for about 11 years and test pellets for about 9 months but this is

the first time I was able to get a fuller panel then liver, cbc, testosterone

and the bare basics. I got some of my labs back but not all, so I will have to

call the lab on Monday to figure out where they are and when I will have. I

thought I would post what I have now though. Please keep in mind that I had been

up for over 31 hours and under major stress because I was in pain from an

abcessed tooth, late for my emergency dental appointment, being harassed by a

lab who didn't want to stop chit-chatting with a waiting room full of people and

was confused by and giving me problems every other line on the blood req. I was

so stressed that I couldn't control my muscle trembling. I swear my BP goes up

just thinking about those idiots. I am also at the end of my pellet life and

need new ones. I also have sex organs.

>

> My CBC is fine if you remember I have an infection.

> Test Result Range

> B12 98pmol/L 198-615

> eGFR 97 no range or unit of measurement

> Cholesterol 405mmol/L no range

> LDL 2.7mmol/L no range

> HDL 0.83mmol/L no range

> Cholesterol HDL ratio 4.9 no range

> Triglycerides 1.07mmol/L no range

> Albumin 50g/L 35-50

> Total Testosterone 12.5nmol/L 8.4-28.7

> Free testosterone 30.3pmol/L 31-94

> Free T3 7.6pmol/L 3.5-6.5

> Free T4 17pmol/L 9-23

> Sensitive TSH 3.13MIU/L 0.35-5.0

> Anti-TPO <10IU/ml less then 35

> Anti-TG <20IU/ml less then 40

> DHEA-S 3.3umol/L 7.6- 17.4

> Ferritin 62UG/L 22-322

> Progesterone 3nmol/L less then 4

> E2 181pmol/L 43- 151

> Corisol 473nmol/L AM 170-720nmol/L PM up to one half of

patients AM levels after being up for over 31hrs under serious stress (see

above).

>

>

> I left out some that were fine or I know are irrelevant and I am missing quite

a few test results but the results I have say that " further reports to

follow... " So what do you guys think of this, especially the corisol.

>

> trannyboy

>

[Guest guest]

Nice to hear from you too, it has been a while getting insurance set up and

recovering from surgery, I really did a number on my body by the last surgery I

wasn't staying warm under an electric blanket... Anyways I am always stressed

with one thing or another because well my life hasn't ever given me something

not to be stressed about. I have lost alot of weight recently over 30% of my

body weight and I am throwing up all the time.

Sleep has always been a major issue for me. I only get at best 5 hours a night

of sleep and sleep starts around 6-7AM and I wake up around 12-1PM, I swear that

is my normal cycle. My entire family on my mom's side (except for my mom) sleeps

like that. I have all my life had periods of times were I couldn't sleep for

days at a time (longest was 6 days), I never make up that sleep debt, and for a

long time I was forced to lose out on the time I could sleep because of school,

work or other commitments. Now I try not to plan anything in the mornings so I

can get some sleep. I imagine that would do a number to the body but I don't

have a normal result (without sleep depervation) to compare it to and probably

never will. Before B12 I used to struggle to wake up mentally for the first

abbout 4 hours I was up but since the B12 I am wide awake the minute my eyes

open for the first time in my life.

My only other thyroid testing was about 9 months ago and consisted of a single

TSH level of a little over 4. They did no other testing and my GP said I was " in

range " (I hate that phrase). This time to be honest I just asked for a blank lab

req from my endo and wrote down what I wanted on the lab req instead of asking

and I don't feel guilty about it. I have never had proper blood testing despite

obvious warning signs i.e. going from moon face to skin and bones and back over

and over again as a child, my eyelashes and brows are incrediably thick but fall

out constantly in bunches, no energy, chronic low grade depression, periods were

the only way I could stop shivering was in a hot bath or electric blanket,

shaking like a leaf at the slightest stress, etc. I felt a bit better on topical

HC but stopped that a while ago because I never could remember to use it. Now

when I get a chance to get blood work I have high T3, what appears to be normal

T4 and I can't begin to explain my cortisol or TSH. My thyroid antibodies appear

fine so thats I have to say these results have just confused me more. I am

guessing I need to repeat the cortisol and thyroid tests when I haven't been up

for 31hrs.

Thanks for taking the time to respond, I do appretiate it. I know phil isn't

well but I hope he weighs in because I don't know what to make of this. I

thought my T3 was going to be low but it is high?? Oh and all abnormal tests

were repeated and confirmed by the lab.

trannyboy

[Guest guest]

Good grief. With all this going on, you'd think docs would want to do case

studies on you & give you free medical treatment. The fact that you found some

improvement on HC could be worth exploring...

It appears that hydrocortisone can be implanted into animals

(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3148370), so I wonder- are there also

hydrocortisone pellets available for humans? It would be great if they were

available, safe, & effective, as you wouldn't need to remember to apply anything

daily. & they wouldn't be as immunosuppressive as prednisone or dexamethasone.

~Xian

>

> Nice to hear from you too, it has been a while getting insurance set up and

recovering from surgery, I really did a number on my body by the last surgery I

wasn't staying warm under an electric blanket... Anyways I am always stressed

with one thing or another because well my life hasn't ever given me something

not to be stressed about. I have lost alot of weight recently over 30% of my

body weight and I am throwing up all the time.

>

> Sleep has always been a major issue for me. I only get at best 5 hours a night

of sleep and sleep starts around 6-7AM and I wake up around 12-1PM, I swear that

is my normal cycle. My entire family on my mom's side (except for my mom) sleeps

like that. I have all my life had periods of times were I couldn't sleep for

days at a time (longest was 6 days), I never make up that sleep debt, and for a

long time I was forced to lose out on the time I could sleep because of school,

work or other commitments. Now I try not to plan anything in the mornings so I

can get some sleep. I imagine that would do a number to the body but I don't

have a normal result (without sleep depervation) to compare it to and probably

never will. Before B12 I used to struggle to wake up mentally for the first

abbout 4 hours I was up but since the B12 I am wide awake the minute my eyes

open for the first time in my life.

>

> My only other thyroid testing was about 9 months ago and consisted of a single

TSH level of a little over 4. They did no other testing and my GP said I was " in

range " (I hate that phrase). This time to be honest I just asked for a blank lab

req from my endo and wrote down what I wanted on the lab req instead of asking

and I don't feel guilty about it. I have never had proper blood testing despite

obvious warning signs i.e. going from moon face to skin and bones and back over

and over again as a child, my eyelashes and brows are incrediably thick but fall

out constantly in bunches, no energy, chronic low grade depression, periods were

the only way I could stop shivering was in a hot bath or electric blanket,

shaking like a leaf at the slightest stress, etc. I felt a bit better on topical

HC but stopped that a while ago because I never could remember to use it. Now

when I get a chance to get blood work I have high T3, what appears to be normal

T4 and I can't begin to explain my cortisol or TSH. My thyroid antibodies appear

fine so thats I have to say these results have just confused me more. I am

guessing I need to repeat the cortisol and thyroid tests when I haven't been up

for 31hrs.

>

> Thanks for taking the time to respond, I do appretiate it. I know phil isn't

well but I hope he weighs in because I don't know what to make of this. I

thought my T3 was going to be low but it is high?? Oh and all abnormal tests

were repeated and confirmed by the lab.

>

> trannyboy

>

[Guest guest]

Acttally Xian, You are really close to my thoughts on this matter, epecially

prior to my current blood work. I was going to compound cortisol into my

testosterone pellets to deliver the cortisol without the need for any action on

my part. This system of delivery could work for any hormone and many drugs.

However since I got my results back I am afraid to proceed. However time is

limited because my current pellet is running out. My decision recently was to

add the testosterone pellets I have left to buy myself some time to figure this

out. Sadly my endo is the only one who is interested and this is out of his

depth, he is willing to help by prescribing what I need but I am in deep

uncharted waters. All I can say is that the testosterone pellets and DHT gel

have made my life hugely better. Just not the stuff that I thought was related

to thyroid or other hormones.

I had minor weight loss prior to the hysto that was controlled by the

testosterone but post hysto nothing I did was stopping the slow march of weight

loss. After I got on the pellets I learned about a hormone called

nor-testosterone, it appears that it is largely related to muscle strength and

bone density. I decided that once the current pellet cycle was done I would add

a drug called trenbolone to my pellets. It is a nor-testosterone that can`t

convert to estrogen or DHT and is believed to be found in small amount in the

sex organs of femaled bodied people. They have only found it in the sex organs

of female cows but this is the closest they have come to identifying and

studying nor-testosterone. Trenbolone is also fairly safe compared to many

anabolic steroids. Many bodybuilders use it but in much higher amounts then I

would need for supplementation.

Your comment about not being as suppressive is right on the money, the pellet

route is a majorly better method of delivery. You need a fraction of the amount

that other methods of delivery use including injects to get the same levels,

there is no need to inject carrier oils into the blood stream, less work for the

liver because it is a base hormone instead of an esterfied hormone, and above

all that it is the closest to natal male hormone products because it relies on

body temperature. With normal testicle the testosterone production rises in

response to what is going on around you, which most often coincides with a body

temperature elevation which with pellets increases your overall dosage, cool eh?

With the right pellet geometery you can control doses for each patient on the

compounding level. Since I have started on the pellets my liver enzymes dropped,

my cholestrol improved and I feel a thousand times better then before.

So it looks like we are thinking on the same level. If we ever sort out my

thyroid I can proceed onto the next step of creating a three or five year

implant capable of delivering the exact level of all hormones I need.

As for you kipp, I am sorry I lost my temper with you last night. I was really

frustrated to see it but I could have been calmer about it. I really do think

you need to lower your dosage just a bit and things will get better. It is a

normal side effect of elevating the levels too high. Otherwise your partner

could take small doses of testosterone to raise her sex drive if that is what

she is interested in.

trannyboy

trannyboy

[Guest guest]

Good to know we're thinking on a similar page.

I'd like to learn more about controlling doses via the geometry of the pellet.

How does pellet size/shape affect diffusion rate?

I recall you mentioned something that accounted for your sleep schedule in

another post. You said your melatonin cycle was produced in reverse. I can

only imagine how this might contribute to unusual cortisol

production/fluctuations, as melatonin curbs cortisol to aid in sleep.

I think your first impression may have been right- that you would benefit from

compounding cortisol into your pellets. Though you'd reduce adrenal production

of cortisol further by cortisol replacement

& potentially become dependent upon cortisol replacement for life, no?

Thought of a non-doctor who's still learning.

~Xian

>

> Acttally Xian, You are really close to my thoughts on this matter, epecially

prior to my current blood work. I was going to compound cortisol into my

testosterone pellets to deliver the cortisol without the need for any action on

my part. This system of delivery could work for any hormone and many drugs.

However since I got my results back I am afraid to proceed. However time is

limited because my current pellet is running out. My decision recently was to

add the testosterone pellets I have left to buy myself some time to figure this

out. Sadly my endo is the only one who is interested and this is out of his

depth, he is willing to help by prescribing what I need but I am in deep

uncharted waters. All I can say is that the testosterone pellets and DHT gel

have made my life hugely better. Just not the stuff that I thought was related

to thyroid or other hormones.

>

> I had minor weight loss prior to the hysto that was controlled by the

testosterone but post hysto nothing I did was stopping the slow march of weight

loss. After I got on the pellets I learned about a hormone called

nor-testosterone, it appears that it is largely related to muscle strength and

bone density. I decided that once the current pellet cycle was done I would add

a drug called trenbolone to my pellets. It is a nor-testosterone that can`t

convert to estrogen or DHT and is believed to be found in small amount in the

sex organs of femaled bodied people. They have only found it in the sex organs

of female cows but this is the closest they have come to identifying and

studying nor-testosterone. Trenbolone is also fairly safe compared to many

anabolic steroids. Many bodybuilders use it but in much higher amounts then I

would need for supplementation.

>

> Your comment about not being as suppressive is right on the money, the pellet

route is a majorly better method of delivery. You need a fraction of the amount

that other methods of delivery use including injects to get the same levels,

there is no need to inject carrier oils into the blood stream, less work for the

liver because it is a base hormone instead of an esterfied hormone, and above

all that it is the closest to natal male hormone products because it relies on

body temperature. With normal testicle the testosterone production rises in

response to what is going on around you, which most often coincides with a body

temperature elevation which with pellets increases your overall dosage, cool eh?

With the right pellet geometery you can control doses for each patient on the

compounding level. Since I have started on the pellets my liver enzymes dropped,

my cholestrol improved and I feel a thousand times better then before.

>

> So it looks like we are thinking on the same level. If we ever sort out my

thyroid I can proceed onto the next step of creating a three or five year

implant capable of delivering the exact level of all hormones I need.

>

> As for you kipp, I am sorry I lost my temper with you last night. I was really

frustrated to see it but I could have been calmer about it. I really do think

you need to lower your dosage just a bit and things will get better. It is a

normal side effect of elevating the levels too high. Otherwise your partner

could take small doses of testosterone to raise her sex drive if that is what

she is interested in.

>

> trannyboy

>

> trannyboy

>

[Guest guest]

Pellet Geometery is a pretty simple and yet complex subject but the most

important relationships are melting temperature of the hormones, surface area

exposed to blood and other bodily fluids and body temperature.

It is important to choose a pellet shape that will provide the same surface area

at the beginning of treatment as at the end of treatment to control dosage.

Currently they use small cylinders which provide a similar surface area for most

of treatment but not the same. As the time line progresses you get less each day

and higher doses at the very beginning. This is unacceptable to me so I have

changed the pellet shape to ensure that it continues providing the same dosage

at the end of treatment as it provides at the beginning. I am creating pellets

that are encased partially in anatomically correct silicone testicle prostheses.

It is the perfect place to contain a larger implant that will last a longer time

then the current pellets are lasting (9 months).

Since I know that every pellet has an initial surface area of 200 square

millimeters and I need 5 pellets to reach perfect levels that means I need 1000

square millimeter to provide the correct dosage of testosterone. As long as

whatever shape I chose provides a surface area of 1000 sq mm I am good to go.

I used to take a 125mg a week of testosterone cypionate IM. The testosterone

provided in the pellets is testosterone base without an ester. So I must find my

injectable dose without the ester weight. The cypionate ester accounts for about

30.09666% of the total testosterone dosage which means that my base testosterone

dosage by injection was roughly 87.4mg per week or 12.5mg per day. On the

pellets I am getting roughly 4mg a day of base testosterone and that gets me to

the same hormonal levels as the shots did. That means that I need about a third

of the injected dosage with pellets. It also means that every 250 square

millimeters of pellet surface area provides 1mg of testosterone every day for

me. I have also confirmed this by weight of rejected pellets. So if I wanted to

increase my dosage to 5mgs a day I would need a surface area of 1250 sq mm. Do

you understand so far?

The pellets currently implanted have a diameter of 4.5mm and length of 12mm. The

smallest measurement decides the lifespan of the pellets. Since in my case it

has lasted 9 months it means every month 0.5mm of pellet is worn away. Now

another factor is both sides are currently being exposed and worn down. If only

one side of the pellet is exposed then it will be reduced to 0.25mm a month. So

to get a pellet with one side exposed to lasts 5 years I need to mutiply 0.25mm

by 60 months to get a measurement of 15mm pellet at it's smallest measurement if

one side is being exposed; if both sides are being exposed then I would need

30mm for five years.

From there we know that testosterone base has a melting temperature of 155

degree celcius and my body temperature is on average 97 degree fahrenheit. So

for example since I am compounding into the pellets 1 mg a day of DHT which has

a melting temperature of 177- 183 degrees celcius I would need a surface area of

1250 sq mm at least but now we also have to account for the higher overall

melting temperature of the total drug formulation which means I need a large

surface area to provide the same dosage. This is where things become more

difficult.

If I were to add cortisol to the mix my body temperature should rise which also

would effect the pellet geometry. From here things only get more complex. If you

want me to explain it I will but keep in mind after this point much of it become

theoretically especially because I haven't taken that step. Before I could I

would need to discover a stable dosage which I fear may not be possible with

cortisol.

In a week or two I will be starting a new treatment of trenbolone to determine

dosage, safety and prove my theory that it will halt the muscle wasting and

re-establish healthy nor-testosterone levels. I will let people know as it

progresses. As for my melatonin, yes my body produces it in response to light

and lack of light lowers it. This is the opposite of what a normal body does. No

one has ever been able to answer why that occurs but it has made my life all

that more difficult.

I wasn't aware of the relation to cortisol though. You have given me something

to consider and research, thanks. It might even explain the bizzare cortisol

levels I got. I am getting proper cortisol testing as soon as I can find a

better lab nearby to get it done at. I refuse to return to the other lab, they

are just too frustrating. I will also get a 24hr urine cortisol done to see what

is happening on that front. You are absolutely correct that if I start altering

my cortisol especially by means of pellets that I must expect to do this the

rest of my life and it would be replacement and not supplementation which is

giving me reason to pause, at least while I figure out the other parts.

trannyboy

[Guest guest]

You have got to be kidding.

The pellets are placed in fatty tissue with a limited blood supply to the

pellets. The amount of blood entering the area of the pellets and leaving to

circulate into the body's blood supply is the gating factor, not the surface

area of the pellets, IMHO.

Have you done testing on blood levels of T in dozens of those on pellets to

justify your hypothesis that the level of T drops linearly over the life of the

pellets typically 4 months?

I believe testing done over the past 5 decades shows this is not the case. A

pioneer in the study of hormone therapy for both men and women was done by Dr.

Greenblatt, Augusta GA beginning in the 50's if I remember correctly.

As pellets are still having trouble being accepted as an alternative form of

therapy after 50 years, I believe the cost and public response to your invention

is a severe obstacle to overcome.

ernestnolan

>

> Pellet Geometery is a pretty simple and yet complex subject but the most

important relationships are melting temperature of the hormones, surface area

exposed to blood and other bodily fluids and body temperature.

>

> It is important to choose a pellet shape that will provide the same surface

area at the beginning of treatment as at the end of treatment to control dosage.

Currently they use small cylinders which provide a similar surface area for most

of treatment but not the same. As the time line progresses you get less each day

and higher doses at the very beginning. This is unacceptable to me so I have

changed the pellet shape to ensure that it continues providing the same dosage

at the end of treatment as it provides at the beginning. I am creating pellets

that are encased partially in anatomically correct silicone testicle prostheses.

It is the perfect place to contain a larger implant that will last a longer time

then the current pellets are lasting (9 months).

>

> Since I know that every pellet has an initial surface area of 200 square

millimeters and I need 5 pellets to reach perfect levels that means I need 1000

square millimeter to provide the correct dosage of testosterone. As long as

whatever shape I chose provides a surface area of 1000 sq mm I am good to go.

>

> I used to take a 125mg a week of testosterone cypionate IM. The testosterone

provided in the pellets is testosterone base without an ester. So I must find my

injectable dose without the ester weight. The cypionate ester accounts for about

30.09666% of the total testosterone dosage which means that my base testosterone

dosage by injection was roughly 87.4mg per week or 12.5mg per day. On the

pellets I am getting roughly 4mg a day of base testosterone and that gets me to

the same hormonal levels as the shots did. That means that I need about a third

of the injected dosage with pellets. It also means that every 250 square

millimeters of pellet surface area provides 1mg of testosterone every day for

me. I have also confirmed this by weight of rejected pellets. So if I wanted to

increase my dosage to 5mgs a day I would need a surface area of 1250 sq mm. Do

you understand so far?

>

> The pellets currently implanted have a diameter of 4.5mm and length of 12mm.

The smallest measurement decides the lifespan of the pellets. Since in my case

it has lasted 9 months it means every month 0.5mm of pellet is worn away. Now

another factor is both sides are currently being exposed and worn down. If only

one side of the pellet is exposed then it will be reduced to 0.25mm a month. So

to get a pellet with one side exposed to lasts 5 years I need to mutiply 0.25mm

by 60 months to get a measurement of 15mm pellet at it's smallest measurement if

one side is being exposed; if both sides are being exposed then I would need

30mm for five years.

>

> From there we know that testosterone base has a melting temperature of 155

degree celcius and my body temperature is on average 97 degree fahrenheit. So

for example since I am compounding into the pellets 1 mg a day of DHT which has

a melting temperature of 177- 183 degrees celcius I would need a surface area of

1250 sq mm at least but now we also have to account for the higher overall

melting temperature of the total drug formulation which means I need a large

surface area to provide the same dosage. This is where things become more

difficult.

>

> If I were to add cortisol to the mix my body temperature should rise which

also would effect the pellet geometry. From here things only get more complex.

If you want me to explain it I will but keep in mind after this point much of it

become theoretically especially because I haven't taken that step. Before I

could I would need to discover a stable dosage which I fear may not be possible

with cortisol.

>

> In a week or two I will be starting a new treatment of trenbolone to determine

dosage, safety and prove my theory that it will halt the muscle wasting and

re-establish healthy nor-testosterone levels. I will let people know as it

progresses. As for my melatonin, yes my body produces it in response to light

and lack of light lowers it. This is the opposite of what a normal body does. No

one has ever been able to answer why that occurs but it has made my life all

that more difficult.

>

> I wasn't aware of the relation to cortisol though. You have given me something

to consider and research, thanks. It might even explain the bizzare cortisol

levels I got. I am getting proper cortisol testing as soon as I can find a

better lab nearby to get it done at. I refuse to return to the other lab, they

are just too frustrating. I will also get a 24hr urine cortisol done to see what

is happening on that front. You are absolutely correct that if I start altering

my cortisol especially by means of pellets that I must expect to do this the

rest of my life and it would be replacement and not supplementation which is

giving me reason to pause, at least while I figure out the other parts.

>

> trannyboy

>

[Guest guest]

Phil I happen to agree with you about corisol, considering that it is best to

have variable levels throughout the day and pellets are about stable levels that

would appear that pellets aren't the right way to dose cortisol, I am in general

talking about adding other hormones that need to be stable like trenbolone, DHT

and such to the pellets. The only way I would even condsider adding cortisol to

my pellets is if I found a base dose I need all the time and then supplement at

the times I need higher doses. Adding cortisol to my pellets is probably about

three- five years away if it will be done at all. The other problem is the

amount of cortisol would greatly increase the size of the pellets which has an

inherant size limit i.e. the size of testicle I am willing to have.

I am sorry to hear about your struggles getting to the right dosage of cortisol.

Thanks for the info about stress dosing and others. You are absolutely right

about the need for more or less depending on what is happening in your life. I

learned the difference it made when I started getting dexamethasone shots prior

to surgery, suddenly I wasn't in trouble with my body temp nearly as much as

prior.

I know things are hard for you but I really respect your opinion, would you look

at my blood work and give me your opinion of what it means? I posted it in my

first post. Is my cortisol low given the circumstances. I got told that it was

in range and nothing else which I hate hearing. I was under enourmous stress at

the time of the blood draw and had been up for 31 hrs at that point. Thanks so

much for all of your help so far you really are an inspiration for me. You made

me step up to the plate and take my health into my own hands instead of waiting

for doctor's to help me, I wouldn't be where I am today with you and other

people's of this and other forums help. So thanks.

Btw I tried going to mesomorphosis's forums and posted in the body builders

section. Big mistake because they were generally rude, unhelpful and I got quite

a few private messages just flaming me. Is it better in the men's health section

or should I just not return? A couple of people weren't bad but most were just

asses.

trannyboy