Re: Indoplex DIM - Caution

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I posted the following to some other lists a few days ago. If you read

the article, you will find some information on how to take K2 and blood

thinning drugs like warfarin and coumadin concurrently and get much more

consistent blood INR levels AND stop the arterial calcification and

march towards heart disease that occurs with blood thinning medications.

In my opinion, anyone blood thinning medication needs to be on K2 at

the same time. This produces a more steady state INR level ultimately

eliminating the need to worry about eating K containing products and

eliminates the needs to get INR tested every couple of weeks and adjusted.

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The following article on vitamin K just might be of interest to most

heart/cardio related patients. It also may be of interested to thyroid

patients who have low TSH and who's doctors keep claiming that it will

lead to bone loss. K2 may be one of the prime vitamins in keeping

calcium in the bones and out of the arteries.

Protection Against Arterial Calcification, Bone Loss, Cancer, and Aging!

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jan2009_Vitamin-K-Protection-Against-Arteria\

l-Calcification-Bone-Loss-Cancer-Aging_01.htm

tomubl wrote:

> I contacted the MFG of Indoplex DIM. They said even though it is made

> from crucfurious plants like broccoli, that it didn't contain vitamin

> K, which conflicts and cancels out blood thinners like warfarin and

> coumadin.

>

> Diet is always a variable and maybe I wasnt paying attention and

> eating too many dark greens, but my INR went low went I used Indoplex DIM.

>

> Yes it reduced my E2, slowly, but I had to increase my coumadin dose.

>

> I have stopped taking Indoplex DIM and may have found an alternative

> in melatonin. more on that later..........

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[Guest guest]

Steve, thanks I will read it in a bit. Have you heard of

proline/lysine/Vit C combo also prevents and reverses atherosclerosis?

There are some writtings by Dr. Rath that are very convincing.

Thanks again for the link. Tom U.

> > I contacted the MFG of Indoplex DIM. They said even though it is made

> > from crucfurious plants like broccoli, that it didn't contain vitamin

> > K, which conflicts and cancels out blood thinners like warfarin and

> > coumadin.

> >

> > Diet is always a variable and maybe I wasnt paying attention and

> > eating too many dark greens, but my INR went low went I used

Indoplex DIM.

> >

> > Yes it reduced my E2, slowly, but I had to increase my coumadin dose.

> >

> > I have stopped taking Indoplex DIM and may have found an alternative

> > in melatonin. more on that later..........

>

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>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

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Also, I wanted to add that if i had my way and was not scared shitless

to get off the rat poison, i would be on policosanol and nattokinase,

much more health benefits and lots of 2 for 1 positive effects. Only

problem nattokinase has only been studied to dissipate the clots after

formation and not as a preventative, also quantifying levels in system

there are no assays available that i know of....but sure would be the

better way

> > I contacted the MFG of Indoplex DIM. They said even though it is made

> > from crucfurious plants like broccoli, that it didn't contain vitamin

> > K, which conflicts and cancels out blood thinners like warfarin and

> > coumadin.

> >

> > Diet is always a variable and maybe I wasnt paying attention and

> > eating too many dark greens, but my INR went low went I used

Indoplex DIM.

> >

> > Yes it reduced my E2, slowly, but I had to increase my coumadin dose.

> >

> > I have stopped taking Indoplex DIM and may have found an alternative

> > in melatonin. more on that later..........

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

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I have and once followed it. I don't take proline or lysine anymore and

my vitamin C intake is now only 4000 mg/day. There are other better

options nowadays that are move effective like getting blood serum

vitamin D levels up to 60-80+ ng/mL, taking K2, taking pomegranate

extract and cocoa extract. The D and K2 prevent and/or limit calcium

deposits on arterial walls and help to remove it and the pomegranate and

cocoa help remove those deposits and limit cholesterol oxidation.

lef.org now has a product called " vascular protect " which appears to

have significant arterial benefits.

Steve

tomubl wrote:

> Steve, thanks I will read it in a bit. Have you heard of

> proline/lysine/Vit C combo also prevents and reverses atherosclerosis?

> There are some writtings by Dr. Rath that are very convincing.

> Thanks again for the link. Tom U.

>

>

>>> I contacted the MFG of Indoplex DIM. They said even though it is made

>>> from crucfurious plants like broccoli, that it didn't contain vitamin

>>> K, which conflicts and cancels out blood thinners like warfarin and

>>> coumadin.

>>>

>>> Diet is always a variable and maybe I wasnt paying attention and

>>> eating too many dark greens, but my INR went low went I used

> Indoplex DIM.

>>> Yes it reduced my E2, slowly, but I had to increase my coumadin dose.

>>>

>>> I have stopped taking Indoplex DIM and may have found an alternative

>>> in melatonin. more on that later..........

>> --

>>

>> Steve - dudescholar4@...

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[Guest guest]

Steve, 4000 mg of Vit C a day? or 400mg?

> >>> I contacted the MFG of Indoplex DIM. They said even though it

is made

> >>> from crucfurious plants like broccoli, that it didn't contain

vitamin

> >>> K, which conflicts and cancels out blood thinners like warfarin and

> >>> coumadin.

> >>>

> >>> Diet is always a variable and maybe I wasnt paying attention and

> >>> eating too many dark greens, but my INR went low went I used

> > Indoplex DIM.

> >>> Yes it reduced my E2, slowly, but I had to increase my coumadin

dose.

> >>>

> >>> I have stopped taking Indoplex DIM and may have found an alternative

> >>> in melatonin. more on that later..........

> >> --

> >>

> >> Steve - dudescholar4@

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

[Guest guest]

4 grams. There are 2 grams in my multivitamin from LEF and I take

another 2 grams a day for a total of 4 grams (4000 mg). I used to take

10 grams or so but have cut back and may cut back in the future.

Steve

tomubl wrote:

> Steve, 4000 mg of Vit C a day? or 400mg?

>

>

>>>>> I contacted the MFG of Indoplex DIM. They said even though it

> is made

>>>>> from crucfurious plants like broccoli, that it didn't contain

> vitamin

>>>>> K, which conflicts and cancels out blood thinners like warfarin and

>>>>> coumadin.

>>>>>

>>>>> Diet is always a variable and maybe I wasnt paying attention and

>>>>> eating too many dark greens, but my INR went low went I used

>>> Indoplex DIM.

>>>>> Yes it reduced my E2, slowly, but I had to increase my coumadin

> dose.

>>>>> I have stopped taking Indoplex DIM and may have found an alternative

>>>>> in melatonin. more on that later..........

>>>> --

>>>>

>>>> Steve - dudescholar4@

>> --

>>

>> Steve - dudescholar4@...

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