Re: Unusual Symptoms

December 20, 1998

Dear ,

I also have had a great deal of water retention/bloating besides around the

eyes, also in the face, hands and legs, I also having post nasal drip every

day since starting taking tapezole. I have not been taking any supplements as

of yet.

Just wondering if any one else has these.

Lee

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December 20, 1998

,

I too get a severe bloating with pronounced varicose veins, about 2 weeks

prior to my period. I've had varicose veins since I was 18 (Mother and

Grandmother had them quite bad too), but they seem much more pronounced now

with the hyperT. Any other hypers also have varicose veins?

Vivian

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December 21, 1998

I am not taking anything but vitamin supplements but have the same

symptoms which I thought was just because of being hypo.

Joyce in Vermont

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On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 MLHowe@... wrote:

> Dear ,

> I also have had a great deal of water retention/bloating besides around the

> eyes, also in the face, hands and legs, I also having post nasal drip every

> day since starting taking tapezole. I have not been taking any supplements as

> of yet.

> Just wondering if any one else has these.

>

> Lee

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December 28, 1998

I had no eye problems till I started taking medications for hyperT.

The treatment has been worse than the disease.

Any help for eye puffinessf?

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December 28, 1998

I've been having a twitching in my eyelid for about 3 weeks. Is there a

vitamin or mineral for help with this? Lori

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December 30, 1998

Hi Everyone,

We have had a couple people write with unusual symptoms. ABerry wrote:

I had no eye problems till I started taking medications for hyperT. The

treatment has been worse than the disease. Any help for eye puffinessf?

And Lori (BanjoBoyd) wrote:

I've been having a twitching in my eyelid for about 3 weeks. Is there a

vitamin or mineral for help with this?

I'm pretty sure that the eye problems that accompany thyroid problems are

nutritional in origin. I have had many eye problems including: itching edges

of my eyelids, feeling of grit under my eyelids, and twitching of my eyelids

and muscles around my eyes. The first two problems responded to taking B1 and

B2 along with the copper and other minerals. I had to take a lot of the B

vitamins and was taking up to 500 mg of each per day. I would hope that other

people would not take that much or need to, but I feel that most eye problems

will respond to the B1 and B2.

The MSM sulfur is also supposed to help with eye problems and told me

that it was helping her father's cataract problems. It's important to take a

B-complex, plus extra B1 and B2 at the same time.

I recently had a lot of twitching in my eyes, but yesterday it seemed to

disappear. I'm not sure why. Here are the supplements that I have changed

recently and maybe there is some connection: I was taking the horsetail

silica and Helen Breeden brought information to the group that you shouldn't

take it everyday like I had been doing. I stopped taking it about 8 days ago.

Also, I was recently stopped taking MSM sulfur for reasons I'll detail in

another post. That was about 2 days ago.

I have read that twitching in the eyes is an indication of magnesium

deficiency, but I've been taking lots of magnesium for a long time. My intake

of that has not changed recently.

I will continue to take note and see if I can determine what caused the

twitching to stop. I'm sure it is a result of too little or too much or some

supplement that I'm taking.

Ann, what thyroid drug are you taking? We'll can find out if other people

are getting the same reaction from the drug. It's also possible that your

symptoms coincidentally began at the same time as starting the drug, and there

is no causal relationship. More than likely though there is some deficiency.

I would really like to get more information about how exactly the drugs,

tapazole and PTU, decrease the thyroid hormone. Anyone know?

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December 30, 1998

Dear Aberry,

Just wondering what your endo has you on. I have the same situation since

beginning Tapezole.

Lee

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January 2, 1999

In a message dated 12/30/1998 2:50:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, BU007@...

writes:

<< Ann, what thyroid drug are you taking? We'll can find out if other people

are getting the same reaction from the drug. It's also possible that your

symptoms coincidentally began at the same time as starting the drug, and

there

is no causal relationship. More than likely though there is some deficiency.

I would really like to get more information about how exactly the drugs,

tapazole and PTU, decrease the thyroid hormone. Anyone know?

>>

I'm leaning more toward strictly alternative treatment The PTU makes me

sicker than the disease itself. The endo says I'm very sensitive to it's

effects.

Even though my TSH is only .004 I'm gaining weight and not having

symptoms.

Probably you'll think I crazy but I disolve a tablet of PTU in a jug of

water and drink the jug of water. And do that only every other day. Haven't

got anyone's thoughts on that. The endo would probably think I'm brain

damaged.

I'll try the B1 and B2 for my eyes. Already taking MSM.

The alternative doctor said he'd try giving a high dose of Iodine and see if

that would do the trick. Any one have any experience with that? I definitely

want to know more about it before I try it.

Without looking anything up I guess the PTU interfers with the thyroid

getting Iodine.

And without Iodine your going to get an enlarged thyroid...don't you think.

And you're still going to have antibodies attacking your thyroid and eye

muscles.

Well, only one things for sure, I've got to stop eating like a horse. It's

hard to do.

One good thing has come of all this....My arthritis is not as bad. No more

shoulder pain. My feet are still sore but I think it is from the years of

damage done previously from the autoimmune disease.

Got a protocol from Biotics Research for Thyroid Hyper-function

I'll type it out: excuse my typos and this long Email.

l. predisposing factors:

a. iodine insufficiency or excess

b. hormonal imbalance, rule out a thyroid space occupying lesion

c. food allergy/sensitivity

d. drinking water containing halogens (floride and chlorine)

Dietary suggestions:

a. drink at least 8 full glasses of pure water daily (no well water or water

containing flouride or chlorine.)

b. avoid alcohol, refined carbohydrate, dairy products, citrus, processed

foods, gluten containing grains and caffeine containg foods such as coffee,

tea, cola and chocolate.

c. eliminate hydrogenated fats and oils. Increase raw and fresh oils.

d. Increase raw foods (especially in the cabbsbe family), complex

carbohydrates and quality protein.

Primary supplemental support:

a. Bio-AE Mulsion Forte 2 drops 4 times a dayfor one week, then 1 drop 4 times

a day in bottled water (I think that is just A and E supplement)

b. cytozyme THY 3 tablets 3Xday with meals. (guess that is thymus gland)

d. Iron and copper free multi 2 tabs 3 times a day

e. LI-Zyme Forte - 2 tablets, 3 times a day (that is natural lithium)

4. Secondary Supplemental Support

A. CA/MG Plus 3 tablets, 3 times a day.

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January 3, 1999

In a message dated 12/30/1998 11:04:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MLHowe@... writes:

<<

Just wondering what your endo has you on. I have the same situation since

beginning Tapezole.

Lee >>

I started out on PTU. It turned out that I am extremely sensitive to it's

effect and soon was profoundly hypothyroid by the time I saw him again.

The endo said the puffly eyes were from being so hypothyroid. (and my thyroid

gland also swelled).

I tried tapazole and that made the puffiness at least as bad or maybe worse.

It no longer matters if I am hyper or hyper the puffiness stays.

Now I'm taking tiny amount of PTU and am hyperthyroid again but still have

puffy eyes and even some bulging.

Saw an article in medline entitled something like " eye involvements are

unnecessary complications of thyroid disease " . It didn't have a summary and

I'll have to send for the article. I'll let you know if I learn anything.

Ann

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June 2, 2003

le

I have had pancreatitis like and agree with what she says. You might

also be feverish and have a high temperature and the pain is horrible once it

gets to a head. I would get it checked out to be safe, perhaps you can stop

it getting worse if you go to the doctors armed with some info of what it

could be. My doctor said I had indigestion and I ended up in emergency twice

because I was ignorant of what was making me ill - until the hospital told me.

I

had stones in the bile duct but didn't go for the surgery as I am trying to

sort myself out non-invasively. I take Taurine to help my pancreas out -

someone on this site recommended it to me and I feel better for taking it.

Good

luck anyway.

M

June 2, 2003

I would recommend Changs herbs at www.sensiblehealth.com I had this

problem once. Her herbs will clear the blockage.

Call her and she will tell you what you need.

June 2, 2003

It sounds like you need to work on your liver!!! When I had me gb I couldnt

eat anything with more than 2 grams of fat, and NO oils or meats whatsoever.

But i also had gb attacks and the stones showed up on ultrasound. Do you

take enzymes with your meals? That would be a good idea also. I have never

had the stones removed by laser, I dont know if they do it here or how

often, it was never even discussed with me, but I would think if they cant

see the stones, they probably wont consider that. Try taking some liver

supporting herbs, like milk thistle and dandelion. If there is an herb store

near you they may have some liver teas. Good luck!!!

>

>Hi there.

>

>I was wondering if anyone else out there had heard of or experienced the

>kinds of 'gallstones' symptoms that I have had and continue to have...

>

>I can't digest any fats, except cold pressed, uncooked ones, which

>actuallly give a feeling of relief.

>I have a distinct blocked feeling in my LEFT side, high up just tucked

>under my LEFT rib!

>My symptoms slowly dissipate, if I eat a purely vegan diet over a period of

>about 9 months.

>I cannot eat large meals.

>My biliuribin has been tested in the past and been high.

>I have had ultrasound scan tests and no gallstones can be found in my

>gallbladder.

>

>The doctor can't work out what is wrong with me.

>

>I would appreciate any help or insight into my problem.

>

>Also I have heard of a wonder drug called 'Hepatichol' an over the counter

>herbal from Germany. It is supposed to cure gallstones within several

>days. I was wondering if anyone had tried it, or heard of it.

>

>Also. After internet searching. I found cures such as Holmium Laser

>Lithotripsy for (PHS) Primary Intrahepatic Stones. I was wondering if

>anyone had had this treatment and what were the results?

>

>Thank you all for your time,

>

>le

>

June 3, 2003

Taurine is another supplement I will consider.. The lemon and oil (cheap),

is really doing the job at the moment though, along with a very careful vegan

diet. A homeopath told me about the lemon and oil, and it does work, though

tastes a bit icky. I'd rather icky than being sick though!!

Beta-TCP is excellent! I couldn't go without it. It also has Taurine in it.

It's a bile thinner, and it's for people who have gallstones.

Susie

June 3, 2003

Thanks.

Taurine is another supplement I will consider.. The lemon and oil (cheap), is

really doing the job at the moment though, along with a very careful vegan diet.

A homeopath told me about the lemon and oil, and it does work, though tastes a

bit icky. I'd rather icky than being sick though!!

----- Original Message -----

From: SEMMARIA@...

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12:24 AM

Subject: Re: Unusual Symptoms

le

I have had pancreatitis like and agree with what she says. You might

also be feverish and have a high temperature and the pain is horrible once it

gets to a head. I would get it checked out to be safe, perhaps you can stop

it getting worse if you go to the doctors armed with some info of what it

could be. My doctor said I had indigestion and I ended up in emergency twice

because I was ignorant of what was making me ill - until the hospital told me.

I

had stones in the bile duct but didn't go for the surgery as I am trying to

sort myself out non-invasively. I take Taurine to help my pancreas out -

someone on this site recommended it to me and I feel better for taking it.

Good

luck anyway.

M

June 3, 2003

Ta . The enzymes sound like a very wise idea. Liver supporting herbs

also. I've bought them in the past and found not much relief, except through

peppermint and horsetail in the form of loose teas, brewed in a small tea pot.

I'm trying not to give all my spare money to the herbal 'drug' companies, but

may consider some sort of alcohol free herbal supplement again.

----- Original Message -----

From: Schurdevin

gallstones

Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:55 PM