Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I ordered a bottle last week and it arrived this week. This " shortage " must be pharmacy dependent. On Jan 18, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Dan Meatheany wrote: > Well I am glad to report my Dr. finally has agreed to let me > introduce HCG into my therapy. - That's the good news, the bad news > is it still is backlogged. My pharmacist contacted the wholesaler > (for Walmart) and was told they were expecting new supplies first of > February. > > My Dr. and I have agreed to try a little experiment. My baseline > total T was 180 prior to starting TRT. I currently inject 2- 50 mg > shots of DepoT every 7 days so a total of 100 mg. This keeps my > total T ~ 700 ng/dl. When I looked back at my pre-TRT results, my LH > was 3.4 on a range of 2-9 so one would think that if my T was low my > LH would be high and not in the lower third of the range - could it > be I really was secondary? So I am going to drop my T injection by > 25% and inject the HCG at 250 iu three times a week. If my testicles > really can only produce 180 then my total T should not change with > the added HCG. If I really am secondary, then my total T should > increase significanly. > > So If I ever can get the HCG - we will see what happens. I will > keep the group posted. > > Arkansas > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Do you mind sharing where you order from? Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: I ordered a bottle last week and it arrived this week. This " shortage " must be pharmacy dependent. On Jan 18, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Dan Meatheany wrote: > Well I am glad to report my Dr. finally has agreed to let me > introduce HCG into my therapy. - That's the good news, the bad news > is it still is backlogged. My pharmacist contacted the wholesaler > (for Walmart) and was told they were expecting new supplies first of > February. > > My Dr. and I have agreed to try a little experiment. My baseline > total T was 180 prior to starting TRT. I currently inject 2- 50 mg > shots of DepoT every 7 days so a total of 100 mg. This keeps my > total T ~ 700 ng/dl. When I looked back at my pre-TRT results, my LH > was 3.4 on a range of 2-9 so one would think that if my T was low my > LH would be high and not in the lower third of the range - could it > be I really was secondary? So I am going to drop my T injection by > 25% and inject the HCG at 250 iu three times a week. If my testicles > really can only produce 180 then my total T should not change with > the added HCG. If I really am secondary, then my total T should > increase significanly. > > So If I ever can get the HCG - we will see what happens. I will > keep the group posted. > > Arkansas > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 When I firist started on HCG I was doing 150mgs of T everyweek I added in 500 IU's of HCG 3 times a week. My levels jumped from 600 to 1200 my labs range is 1592 so this was great. I would not lower my T levels starting HCG better to do 15 shots then retest and go from there. Today I do 70mgs of depo t every 3 days and 400 IU's of HCG the 2 days each in between my T shots. Doing this keeps me leveled and holds back my E2 levels. Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: Well I am glad to report my Dr. finally has agreed to let me introduce HCG into my therapy. - That's the good news, the bad news is it still is backlogged. My pharmacist contacted the wholesaler (for Walmart) and was told they were expecting new supplies first of February. My Dr. and I have agreed to try a little experiment. My baseline total T was 180 prior to starting TRT. I currently inject 2- 50 mg shots of DepoT every 7 days so a total of 100 mg. This keeps my total T ~ 700 ng/dl. When I looked back at my pre-TRT results, my LH was 3.4 on a range of 2-9 so one would think that if my T was low my LH would be high and not in the lower third of the range - could it be I really was secondary? So I am going to drop my T injection by 25% and inject the HCG at 250 iu three times a week. If my testicles really can only produce 180 then my total T should not change with the added HCG. If I really am secondary, then my total T should increase significanly. So If I ever can get the HCG - we will see what happens. I will keep the group posted. Arkansas --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 No some Dr. worte a book about how doing HCG for women they lose weight fast so now they are buying it all up. This is why the shortage. Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: I ordered a bottle last week and it arrived this week. This " shortage " must be pharmacy dependent. On Jan 18, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Dan Meatheany wrote: > Well I am glad to report my Dr. finally has agreed to let me > introduce HCG into my therapy. - That's the good news, the bad news > is it still is backlogged. My pharmacist contacted the wholesaler > (for Walmart) and was told they were expecting new supplies first of > February. > > My Dr. and I have agreed to try a little experiment. My baseline > total T was 180 prior to starting TRT. I currently inject 2- 50 mg > shots of DepoT every 7 days so a total of 100 mg. This keeps my > total T ~ 700 ng/dl. When I looked back at my pre-TRT results, my LH > was 3.4 on a range of 2-9 so one would think that if my T was low my > LH would be high and not in the lower third of the range - could it > be I really was secondary? So I am going to drop my T injection by > 25% and inject the HCG at 250 iu three times a week. If my testicles > really can only produce 180 then my total T should not change with > the added HCG. If I really am secondary, then my total T should > increase significanly. > > So If I ever can get the HCG - we will see what happens. I will > keep the group posted. > > Arkansas > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Hi, I order from an IOP that caters mainly to the BB crowd. I save money... I can buy 10ml of test for 60$... and per my sucky insurance that's 3 months's prescriptions at 40$ per... or 120$ but anyway... they have traditionally carried real, name brand " Pregynl " in 1500iu and 5000iu ampules... this last order came and it was NOT real Pregynl... though that's what it said on the ampules... but the silk screening wasn't right... definitely counterfeit but may or may not be hcg (haven't tried it yet)... in the BB world there are all sorts of " fakes " ... like this same place sells " generic cialis " for about 1$ each... right color, wrong shape... but they work :-} ya pays your money and ya takes your chances.... > > > Well I am glad to report my Dr. finally has agreed to let me > > introduce HCG into my therapy. - That's the good news, the bad news > > is it still is backlogged. My pharmacist contacted the wholesaler > > (for Walmart) and was told they were expecting new supplies first of > > February. > > > > My Dr. and I have agreed to try a little experiment. My baseline > > total T was 180 prior to starting TRT. I currently inject 2- 50 mg > > shots of DepoT every 7 days so a total of 100 mg. This keeps my > > total T ~ 700 ng/dl. When I looked back at my pre-TRT results, my LH > > was 3.4 on a range of 2-9 so one would think that if my T was low my > > LH would be high and not in the lower third of the range - could it > > be I really was secondary? So I am going to drop my T injection by > > 25% and inject the HCG at 250 iu three times a week. If my testicles > > really can only produce 180 then my total T should not change with > > the added HCG. If I really am secondary, then my total T should > > increase significanly. > > > > So If I ever can get the HCG - we will see what happens. I will > > keep the group posted. > > > > Arkansas > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > > Try it now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 That may be a factor, Phil, but a pharmacy, such as Dr 's recommended one, that deals with TRT patients may be better stocked to begin with. Locally, the pharmacy near the hospital that is privately owned, not part of a big chain has also always had it even in times where I see posts on this board about shortages. Sometimes things aren't always as black and white as some guy wrote a book. Walmart, CVS, Walgreens are stocked for fast moving high demand drugs. They're not going to be as prepared to deal with less common drugs such as HCG. I suggest people having trouble finding it locally look up the fertility doctors in the area and see what phatmacies they desk with. Might have better luck finding in stock there. Keep in kind that just because some doc says it will help women lose weight doesn't mean every doc in the world is now going to write an off label Rx for it. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2008, at 2:50 PM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > No some Dr. worte a book about how doing HCG for women they lose > weight fast so now they are buying it all up. This is why the > shortage. > > Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: I ordered a bottle last > week and it arrived this week. This > " shortage " must be pharmacy dependent. > > On Jan 18, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Dan Meatheany wrote: > >> Well I am glad to report my Dr. finally has agreed to let me >> introduce HCG into my therapy. - That's the good news, the bad news >> is it still is backlogged. My pharmacist contacted the wholesaler >> (for Walmart) and was told they were expecting new supplies first of >> February. >> >> My Dr. and I have agreed to try a little experiment. My baseline >> total T was 180 prior to starting TRT. I currently inject 2- 50 mg >> shots of DepoT every 7 days so a total of 100 mg. This keeps my >> total T ~ 700 ng/dl. When I looked back at my pre-TRT results, my LH >> was 3.4 on a range of 2-9 so one would think that if my T was low my >> LH would be high and not in the lower third of the range - could it >> be I really was secondary? So I am going to drop my T injection by >> 25% and inject the HCG at 250 iu three times a week. If my testicles >> really can only produce 180 then my total T should not change with >> the added HCG. If I really am secondary, then my total T should >> increase significanly. >> >> So If I ever can get the HCG - we will see what happens. I will >> keep the group posted. >> >> Arkansas >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. >> Try it now. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I am not talking about one Dr. doing this do a search at google HCG +Weight Loss. Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: That may be a factor, Phil, but a pharmacy, such as Dr 's recommended one, that deals with TRT patients may be better stocked to begin with. Locally, the pharmacy near the hospital that is privately owned, not part of a big chain has also always had it even in times where I see posts on this board about shortages. Sometimes things aren't always as black and white as some guy wrote a book. Walmart, CVS, Walgreens are stocked for fast moving high demand drugs. They're not going to be as prepared to deal with less common drugs such as HCG. I suggest people having trouble finding it locally look up the fertility doctors in the area and see what phatmacies they desk with. Might have better luck finding in stock there. Keep in kind that just because some doc says it will help women lose weight doesn't mean every doc in the world is now going to write an off label Rx for it. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2008, at 2:50 PM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > No some Dr. worte a book about how doing HCG for women they lose > weight fast so now they are buying it all up. This is why the > shortage. > > Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: I ordered a bottle last > week and it arrived this week. This > " shortage " must be pharmacy dependent. > > On Jan 18, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Dan Meatheany wrote: > >> Well I am glad to report my Dr. finally has agreed to let me >> introduce HCG into my therapy. - That's the good news, the bad news >> is it still is backlogged. My pharmacist contacted the wholesaler >> (for Walmart) and was told they were expecting new supplies first of >> February. >> >> My Dr. and I have agreed to try a little experiment. My baseline >> total T was 180 prior to starting TRT. I currently inject 2- 50 mg >> shots of DepoT every 7 days so a total of 100 mg. This keeps my >> total T ~ 700 ng/dl. When I looked back at my pre-TRT results, my LH >> was 3.4 on a range of 2-9 so one would think that if my T was low my >> LH would be high and not in the lower third of the range - could it >> be I really was secondary? So I am going to drop my T injection by >> 25% and inject the HCG at 250 iu three times a week. If my testicles >> really can only produce 180 then my total T should not change with >> the added HCG. If I really am secondary, then my total T should >> increase significanly. >> >> So If I ever can get the HCG - we will see what happens. I will >> keep the group posted. >> >> Arkansas >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. >> Try it now. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I understand that, my point is only that every year we get some slew of posts saying there is an HCG shortage, and even this year I have never had trouble getting the stuff from real pharmacies. I got a shipment last week with no delays. Guys need to get out of Walmart and call a real pharmacy ran by pharmacists, not corporations. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2008, at 2:49 PM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > I am not talking about one Dr. doing this do a search at google HCG > +Weight Loss. > > Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: That may be a factor, > Phil, but a pharmacy, such as Dr 's > recommended one, that deals with TRT patients may be better stocked to > begin with. Locally, the pharmacy near the hospital that is privately > owned, not part of a big chain has also always had it even in times > where I see posts on this board about shortages. Sometimes things > aren't always as black and white as some guy wrote a book. Walmart, > CVS, Walgreens are stocked for fast moving high demand drugs. They're > not going to be as prepared to deal with less common drugs such as > HCG. I suggest people having trouble finding it locally look up the > fertility doctors in the area and see what phatmacies they desk with. > Might have better luck finding in stock there. > > Keep in kind that just because some doc says it will help women lose > weight doesn't mean every doc in the world is now going to write an > off label Rx for it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 18, 2008, at 2:50 PM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> > wrote: > >> No some Dr. worte a book about how doing HCG for women they lose >> weight fast so now they are buying it all up. This is why the >> shortage. >> >> Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: I ordered a bottle last >> week and it arrived this week. This >> " shortage " must be pharmacy dependent. >> >> On Jan 18, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Dan Meatheany wrote: >> >>> Well I am glad to report my Dr. finally has agreed to let me >>> introduce HCG into my therapy. - That's the good news, the bad news >>> is it still is backlogged. My pharmacist contacted the wholesaler >>> (for Walmart) and was told they were expecting new supplies first of >>> February. >>> >>> My Dr. and I have agreed to try a little experiment. My baseline >>> total T was 180 prior to starting TRT. I currently inject 2- 50 mg >>> shots of DepoT every 7 days so a total of 100 mg. This keeps my >>> total T ~ 700 ng/dl. When I looked back at my pre-TRT results, my LH >>> was 3.4 on a range of 2-9 so one would think that if my T was low my >>> LH would be high and not in the lower third of the range - could it >>> be I really was secondary? So I am going to drop my T injection by >>> 25% and inject the HCG at 250 iu three times a week. If my testicles >>> really can only produce 180 then my total T should not change with >>> the added HCG. If I really am secondary, then my total T should >>> increase significanly. >>> >>> So If I ever can get the HCG - we will see what happens. I will >>> keep the group posted. >>> >>> Arkansas >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. >>> Try it now. >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 > > I understand that, my point is only that every year we get some slew > of posts saying there is an HCG shortage, and even this year I have > never had trouble getting the stuff from real pharmacies. I got a > shipment last week with no delays. Guys need to get out of Walmart > and call a real pharmacy ran by pharmacists, not corporations. > Almost all businesses are corporations. WalMart, RiteAid, DrugEmporium, CollegePharmacy, s, CVS, & Mom & Pop pharmacies all purchase from different distributers. They do not stock very many drugs for various reasons. They usually get one day or overnigh service from the distributers. All the different distributers of a;; the brands say the same thing, supplies will be available in February. It sounds like one company makes all of the brands & puts different name labels on them. It is packaged in two vials & has to be mixed by the purchaser. Ampules may be fakes. WalMart is not the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Forget the legal bull about mom and pop's pharmacy being a corporation for the separation of personal assets from business - it's just semantics and confuses my point with no value added. Are you some kind of Walmart lover? Not that I am a hater, but you glossed over my entire point, which is that LARGE CORPORATION RETAIL PHARMACIES are not necessary going to carry less " popular " drugs as they just take up shelf space. A small professional pharmacy that caters to a certain doctor or group of doctors will carry a supply of the drugs that doctor prescribes so that they don't have to turn patients away. My local CVS never has any brand of HCG in stock. They always have to order it. Same for the Walgreens. The pharmacy my doc recommends had never not had it. Neither has the private pharmacy next to the hospital near here. So, maybe these guys keep a larger stock on hand, or maybe higher volume gives them better relationship and first dibs on what distributors get, or maybe I am just incredibly lucky in never running out. I just find it odd that after the many years Ive followed this group, and the five or six panics of there's no HCG available, I have never been unable to obtain it for myself. And if your thesis that only one manufacturer makes thevstiff is accurate, then how do you explain guys like Phil who claim to not get the same sense of well being post injection of APP brand as they do from Novarel? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2008, at 5:15 AM, gin2c <no_reply > wrote: > >> >> I understand that, my point is only that every year we get some > slew >> of posts saying there is an HCG shortage, and even this year I > have >> never had trouble getting the stuff from real pharmacies. I got a >> shipment last week with no delays. Guys need to get out of > Walmart >> and call a real pharmacy ran by pharmacists, not corporations. >> > > Almost all businesses are corporations. > > WalMart, RiteAid, DrugEmporium, CollegePharmacy, s, CVS, & Mom & > Pop pharmacies all purchase from different distributers. They do not > stock very many drugs for various reasons. They usually get one day > or overnigh service from the distributers. > > All the different distributers of a;; the brands say the same thing, > supplies will be available in February. It sounds like one company > makes all of the brands & puts different name labels on them. It is > packaged in two vials & has to be mixed by the purchaser. Ampules > may be fakes. > > WalMart is not the problem. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I've been getting my HCG from a private pharmacy that caters to the local fertility doctors. Have always been able to get it from them until now, even they are out and have been for over a month. Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: Forget the legal bull about mom and pop's pharmacy being a corporation for the separation of personal assets from business - it's just semantics and confuses my point with no value added. Are you some kind of Walmart lover? Not that I am a hater, but you glossed over my entire point, which is that LARGE CORPORATION RETAIL PHARMACIES are not necessary going to carry less " popular " drugs as they just take up shelf space. A small professional pharmacy that caters to a certain doctor or group of doctors will carry a supply of the drugs that doctor prescribes so that they don't have to turn patients away. My local CVS never has any brand of HCG in stock. They always have to order it. Same for the Walgreens. The pharmacy my doc recommends had never not had it. Neither has the private pharmacy next to the hospital near here. So, maybe these guys keep a larger stock on hand, or maybe higher volume gives them better relationship and first dibs on what distributors get, or maybe I am just incredibly lucky in never running out. I just find it odd that after the many years Ive followed this group, and the five or six panics of there's no HCG available, I have never been unable to obtain it for myself. And if your thesis that only one manufacturer makes thevstiff is accurate, then how do you explain guys like Phil who claim to not get the same sense of well being post injection of APP brand as they do from Novarel? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2008, at 5:15 AM, gin2c <no_reply > wrote: > >> >> I understand that, my point is only that every year we get some > slew >> of posts saying there is an HCG shortage, and even this year I > have >> never had trouble getting the stuff from real pharmacies. I got a >> shipment last week with no delays. Guys need to get out of > Walmart >> and call a real pharmacy ran by pharmacists, not corporations. >> > > Almost all businesses are corporations. > > WalMart, RiteAid, DrugEmporium, CollegePharmacy, s, CVS, & Mom & > Pop pharmacies all purchase from different distributers. They do not > stock very many drugs for various reasons. They usually get one day > or overnigh service from the distributers. > > All the different distributers of a;; the brands say the same thing, > supplies will be available in February. It sounds like one company > makes all of the brands & puts different name labels on them. It is > packaged in two vials & has to be mixed by the purchaser. Ampules > may be fakes. > > WalMart is not the problem. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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